Jason and Kyle from Rahal Ducati Cleveland fixed my dry clutch issue. Purchase your new or pre-owned Ducati from Rahal Ducati Cleveland and get it serviced there too!
They should have mentioned it's the quick shifter causing the damage on the clutch basket which is why you should use the clutch when not smacking down. It's apparent in your case because you don't do dig racing so the only abuse the clutch see's is from clutchless shifting.
Alot don’t understand dry clutch is for peak performance.. they are aware it wears alot faster, the bikes were made for WSBK homologation anyway, cost of maintenance is not considered during the design phase, more power, better delivery is their main concern like the HP4 race bike, engine is supposed to be re-built every 3000 miles or something like that and if they own a V4R or HP4 , maintenance cost is not a problem for them 😂
There’s problems with the dry-clutch just not many people talked about, and the reason why Ducati offers wet-clutch for the S model is for good reason.
I never knew the lifespan of those clutches were that short! 😮 My 2008 Suzuki GSX-R 750 that I bought brand new and now has about 30,000 miles, is still on its original clutch after track schools at COTA and backroad rides in Texas and Arizona.
Japanese mentality is about reliability. Italian mentality doesn't have that as a high priority. Plus, dry clutches are made with maximum performance in mind, not longevity.
Great video. Now I KNOW a Multistrada RS is not for me. I'll ride my Multistrada Pikes Peak over 15,000 miles in two years, coming this August. I'd need the big valve adjust and a couple new dry clutches by about then with an RS.
The hydraulic clutch fluid has NOTHING to do with the actual clutch itself, its a separate system (thats sealed) that simply actuates the pressure plate (causing it to engage or disengage)...you either have a hydraulic one as in your case or you have a cable system that uses no fluid....the clutch itself has ZERO to do with this system. Yours locked up due to air in the system and it gets dirty due to MOISTURE (water) slowly accumulating in the fluid over time and from the seals....it has nothing at all to do with the clutch plates or how hard you ride. As you ride, if you feel it getting "spongy" you will need to bleed the system again. Its nice to see him explaining whats going on with the basket, although I think they need to use a MUCH HARDER basket, as they absolutely didnt wear this quickly in the older bikes back in the 90's. If I knew the baskets would wear so fast there is NO WAY I would have gotten a modern Ducati with a dry clutch. THey should be using a basket that is much more resistant to wear, even if it adds weight to the system (I am guessing that they lightened the basket due to rotating mass and for performance, but 3k every 4-6 thousand miles is INSANE.)
I agree the basket is trash. Hell they could have used titanium inserts where the teeth grab and left the rest of the basket the same material to keep costs down. Unacceptable wear at less than 5k miles in my opinion.
@@triedproven9908 I actually got into an argument with a guy...who said that I should have known that since its a dry clutch it wears more and that I have higher maintenance....I immediately replied, yeah, I knew my clutch would wear more since its dry...I accepted that and assumed that since its a dry clutch, the plates wear faster, however they are much easier to replace, being a dry clutch, so I accepted that.....however I didnt accept that the ENTIRE BASKET is wearing at an unbelievable rate...its COMPLETELY unacceptable!! The basket should be lasting 30k miles MINIMUM. The clutch is a wear item...NOT THE BASKET?!?!?!?! IMHO this should be a redesign and a RECALL!! How are they putting this same system on a Multistrada TOURING BIKE!! No way that group is accepting this....they ride 10-15k a year...so they are going to do this multiple times a year??? THe clutch discs are kevlar, the basket shouldnt be wearing from them, the basket shouldnt be wearing at ALL from the clutch plates, it should be the opposite, that the basket wears the plates...(the steel plates dont have the notches, only the kevlar...they shouldnt be eating up the basket)
@@PatricioGarcia1973 Yes, it makes less HP however it actually makes MORE torque than the V4R and weighs 100 lbs more as well....which IHMO will have even more an impact than HP on a clutch. Will this bike be ridden on a track, no...but it will absolutely be getting abuse on the street, in stop and go traffic, getting used WAY MORE than one that is on a track where someone will be using the quickshifter all the time. We will see over time how this works out. No one will ever change my mind that they are using a far inferior clutch basket that is being worn out and beaten by kevlar clutch discs in an extremely short amount of time....
Yes, it's a race bike made for track conditions. Guy kept emphasizing Ib's use case because it's not a bike made for roll racing, spending so much time doing over 180 MPH in straight lines. 😅
if you daily a bike just driving it to work you're probably going to get a lot more miles before maintenance is needed vs. someone who strictly takes it to the track, when they refer to a normal amount of wearing they're probably talking about people who simply just ride street, and dont push the bike to its limits often, pretty much every liter bike is a "race bike" but we all know that not everyone uses them as such
Been to that dealership a few times and have always enjoyed it. The bike night was eye-opening! Their shop in Indy is fun to see the collection of Ducatis! Very cool!
I drive past this dealership a lot. Should stop in sometime just to look around. I'll be avoiding any bike that needs a clutch inspection at 6K. That's like every 4 months tops.
@@650ib Even a good working slave cylinder will eventually allow dirt through. Swap the fluid regularly. Even if you just soak up the fluid in the reservoir with a rag and refill it, if you're worried about bleeding it.
Nah' something was off for the fluid to go bad that fast. Im thinking one of the bleed screws is seeping air in around the threads or something, or the master cylinder itself is allowing a micro amount with each application. Only time will tell.
My man ib is about as "composed" as they come! Shout out 📢 to ib for remaining "collected" & soft spoken, during this inspection. I can't say I would have been as, "peaceful"?😆, b/c @ 2:52 , for me, THAT statement is a "red flag", moment of clarity. What do you mean, "we've seen these WAY WORSE 😳after 10 or 15k miles"?? 😖?? Why? What's the advantage of a dry clutch, then? My '09 ZX-14 had over 90K mi. on it when I sold it, and it still had ALL the factory original clutch parts in it, working tip top. And I beat on that 14 collecting souls from 3,500mi to 90K mi., shifting EVERY GEAR, up & down, b/c it didn't have a Quick Shftr. That bike is old OLD school. But I never had to chg the clutch. . . . 90k+ miles. It's no fault of the owners' riding habits [ 2:18 ]. I saw what he did there, and that's eff'd up . . . imo. Kyle is "quick shifting" the responsibility to the owner, who is ONLY riding the bike as it was designed to be ridden. Nothing more. It's a "RACE" bike, right? Don't try to "smoothly" say I brought this on myself, THEN tell me [ 4:03 ] the design is "great for racing applications" 👎🏽👎🏽. Huh? 🤷🏽♂
The advantage to a dry clutch is: easier to maintain, reduce rotational mass, reduce power loss through the engine. Its advantage is it makes the RACE bike faster. If you’re looking at it compared to a non race bike then of course it’s going to be ridiculous. When you buy a race bike, and use it to race, you have to expect to use the racing service intervals. The race service intervals on the clutch are 1000 miles. The street use interval is 6k miles. Ib made it 4200 miles. For how he uses the bike, that’s good mileage. Race bike = race service intervals.
For more cheap theories, a motorcycle that in less than two years of use already has those problems unlike Japanese motorcycles. on 89.000 km on my zx10rr have still on original clutch
4K?? shouldn't that basket be warrantied? its a street legal bike.....that basket should be alot more tougher than the actual items that are meant to wear out like the friction disks and steels..... regardless of how you ride your bike.... how you ride is your business no one else's!! Ib- O/T gotta get your slabs at the house power washed....lol
@@cletus2941 I guess...but , all I'm saying is 4K is a bit premature regardless dry or wet + his smack down runs are not that harsh on the assembly they're not dumping clutch at slower speeds.... But I guess it also seems inferior parts are incorporated for job security.
Its crazy that the Ducati techs are just like "Oh yeah, you'll need a clutch basket and clutch pack replacement every 4,000 miles. This is totally normal."
@rob here in Europe the bikes are more expensive than in the US where they cost in $ less than in €, so are the taxes on the bike in some european countries: in Austria, add some 24 per cent. Most people buy in Germany and then pay the austrian tax, it's still cheaper. Labour costs at Ducati are EUR 180/hour, plus IB's akrapovic exhaust is not road legal over here, even though Akra, the company, is in Slovenia.
I had to stop the video at 1:22 because I cant stand to watch the rest. First off, he should have known immediately its the fluid that needs replaced and the clutch simply needs to be bled. Theres no reason he needs to take the clutch apart unless its slipping, which it wasnt. It was not engaging, so its air in the clutch lines. So why is the clutch taken apart. He should have shown you how to bleed the lines and moved on. Theres absolutely NO ISSUES with the clutch itself at 4000 miles, you have air in your clutch line and it simply needs to be bled. End of story. Those techs are snowjobbing you. Everything they said is true to an extent, but NOT at 4000 miles. There is a ton of miles left on that clutch. Bleed the clutch at home and skip the visit to the dealer.
IB asked us to do to a clutch plate inspection for this video. We talked before hand and I told him I was 90% sure it would be a clutch fluid flush. So yes I agree with you, it should have been just fluid and move on, per client request we disassembled clutch for inspection.
$300 for clutch inspection(full disassembly and a clutch fluid flush yes. 1.25 hours to remove and inspect clutch, .25 for fluid flush. Plus cost of parts. It’s a lil under $300.
@@kroot47 inspect what? any moron can tell you the fluid was cooked when a lever has almost no pressure and there aren't any leaks. GTFO trying to defend the stealership.
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Jason and Kyle from Rahal Ducati Cleveland fixed my dry clutch issue. Purchase your new or pre-owned Ducati from Rahal Ducati Cleveland and get it serviced there too!
They should have mentioned it's the quick shifter causing the damage on the clutch basket which is why you should use the clutch when not smacking down. It's apparent in your case because you don't do dig racing so the only abuse the clutch see's is from clutchless shifting.
@@triedproven9908 -Thank you. I was wondering how in the hell can ib's clutch be that damaged [ 1:42 ], when he barely uses the clutch 🤷♂!?!
Having an issue with my pikes peak. Was wondering if any techs or shops would be willing to help. Been in the shop now for 2 weeks with no answers.
@@sethzelenik1605 tip: don't buy a ducati
@wrxzboost 😂
Alot don’t understand dry clutch is for peak performance.. they are aware it wears alot faster, the bikes were made for WSBK homologation anyway, cost of maintenance is not considered during the design phase, more power, better delivery is their main concern
like the HP4 race bike, engine is supposed to be re-built every 3000 miles or something like that
and if they own a V4R or HP4 , maintenance cost is not a problem for them 😂
There’s problems with the dry-clutch just not many people talked about, and the reason why Ducati offers wet-clutch for the S model is for good reason.
I never knew the lifespan of those clutches were that short! 😮
My 2008 Suzuki GSX-R 750 that I bought brand new and now has about 30,000 miles, is still on its original clutch after track schools at COTA and backroad rides in Texas and Arizona.
You don’t buy a Ducati for reliability or longevity, that’s what Japanese bikes are for. U get a Ducati for that experience and wow factor!
@@woods.boi_and that's a fact
A clutch replacement after 4200 hell nah . Yamaha r1 please
@@woods.boi_ If you say so.
Japanese mentality is about reliability. Italian mentality doesn't have that as a high priority.
Plus, dry clutches are made with maximum performance in mind, not longevity.
Great video. Now I KNOW a Multistrada RS is not for me. I'll ride my Multistrada Pikes Peak over 15,000 miles in two years, coming this August. I'd need the big valve adjust and a couple new dry clutches by about then with an RS.
You'd ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ the RS power and dry clutch feel
The hydraulic clutch fluid has NOTHING to do with the actual clutch itself, its a separate system (thats sealed) that simply actuates the pressure plate (causing it to engage or disengage)...you either have a hydraulic one as in your case or you have a cable system that uses no fluid....the clutch itself has ZERO to do with this system. Yours locked up due to air in the system and it gets dirty due to MOISTURE (water) slowly accumulating in the fluid over time and from the seals....it has nothing at all to do with the clutch plates or how hard you ride. As you ride, if you feel it getting "spongy" you will need to bleed the system again. Its nice to see him explaining whats going on with the basket, although I think they need to use a MUCH HARDER basket, as they absolutely didnt wear this quickly in the older bikes back in the 90's. If I knew the baskets would wear so fast there is NO WAY I would have gotten a modern Ducati with a dry clutch. THey should be using a basket that is much more resistant to wear, even if it adds weight to the system (I am guessing that they lightened the basket due to rotating mass and for performance, but 3k every 4-6 thousand miles is INSANE.)
I agree the basket is trash. Hell they could have used titanium inserts where the teeth grab and left the rest of the basket the same material to keep costs down. Unacceptable wear at less than 5k miles in my opinion.
@@triedproven9908 I actually got into an argument with a guy...who said that I should have known that since its a dry clutch it wears more and that I have higher maintenance....I immediately replied, yeah, I knew my clutch would wear more since its dry...I accepted that and assumed that since its a dry clutch, the plates wear faster, however they are much easier to replace, being a dry clutch, so I accepted that.....however I didnt accept that the ENTIRE BASKET is wearing at an unbelievable rate...its COMPLETELY unacceptable!! The basket should be lasting 30k miles MINIMUM. The clutch is a wear item...NOT THE BASKET?!?!?!?! IMHO this should be a redesign and a RECALL!! How are they putting this same system on a Multistrada TOURING BIKE!! No way that group is accepting this....they ride 10-15k a year...so they are going to do this multiple times a year??? THe clutch discs are kevlar, the basket shouldnt be wearing from them, the basket shouldnt be wearing at ALL from the clutch plates, it should be the opposite, that the basket wears the plates...(the steel plates dont have the notches, only the kevlar...they shouldnt be eating up the basket)
@@redrider0151the multistrada is not ridden the same way as a Panigale v4r. and doesn't have 240hp
@@PatricioGarcia1973 Yes, it makes less HP however it actually makes MORE torque than the V4R and weighs 100 lbs more as well....which IHMO will have even more an impact than HP on a clutch. Will this bike be ridden on a track, no...but it will absolutely be getting abuse on the street, in stop and go traffic, getting used WAY MORE than one that is on a track where someone will be using the quickshifter all the time. We will see over time how this works out. No one will ever change my mind that they are using a far inferior clutch basket that is being worn out and beaten by kevlar clutch discs in an extremely short amount of time....
Ducati Multistrada V4 RS 190HP has a dry clutch 😂 😂 😂
Why does he keep saying "as fast as you do", "... you race the bike", etc., ? isn't that a race bike?
Yes, it's a race bike made for track conditions. Guy kept emphasizing Ib's use case because it's not a bike made for roll racing, spending so much time doing over 180 MPH in straight lines. 😅
if you daily a bike just driving it to work you're probably going to get a lot more miles before maintenance is needed vs. someone who strictly takes it to the track, when they refer to a normal amount of wearing they're probably talking about people who simply just ride street, and dont push the bike to its limits often, pretty much every liter bike is a "race bike" but we all know that not everyone uses them as such
Most of these V4R end up sitting around lmfao 🤣
It’s code for ‘this is your fault you have to hand over all this money, it’s no fault of Ducati that this part has broken or worn’
Been to that dealership a few times and have always enjoyed it. The bike night was eye-opening! Their shop in Indy is fun to see the collection of Ducatis! Very cool!
I drive past this dealership a lot. Should stop in sometime just to look around. I'll be avoiding any bike that needs a clutch inspection at 6K. That's like every 4 months tops.
l love the V4R but would sure hate to own it lol....
I had a Suzuki B-King with 60,000 miles on it, the clutch was still perfectly in spec……
I love hearing people make shit up on the fly
dirty clutch fluid from grime passing through the slave piston seal
You are correct Bro! We just figured this out and replaced the slave cylinder, it was melted and the seal was broken. How did u know this?
@@650ib Even a good working slave cylinder will eventually allow dirt through. Swap the fluid regularly. Even if you just soak up the fluid in the reservoir with a rag and refill it, if you're worried about bleeding it.
@@650ibI guess he's a very good mechanic and knows his s.
A few more smack downs and that clutch will be toast. So, I don't you'll reach 6000 miles. Nice bike!
The end was the best, 650ib: - hahaha!
Thanks for watching to the end 🔥🔥🔥🔥🦾🦾🦾🦾🦾🦾🦾🦾
swap the STM for aftermarket when its time, you'll save 2k, tons of options EVR , DBK, Suter
The longevity of the clutch pack on these can be significantly improved if you know how to look after them properly.
Can you please, briefly, explain how?
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The Ducati tech touching your clutch plates w greasy filthy fingers is absolutely bat shit BONKERS to me
@@jimjam8948 promise you those plates are dirtier than his hands could ever get.
Always the best people supporting U! Your channel continues to educate me, the ducs are a very unique bike. Thank U sir
It’s well worth bleeding the clutch every few months anyway. Taping the clutch lever in overnight is good too
Man, iB rides his bikes. haha. I have a 23 RSV4 that I bought beginning of the year and I only have 400 miles on it.
I have a 23’ SP2 with only 426 miles. Bought it in June 2023. And I live in SoCal. Too busy at work these days.
I bought an H2 SX SE+ in 2022 and out 27K miles on it in the first year 😂
@@Maree_Customs Haha dayum!! Maybe my lesson is I shouldn't of bought a bike. :) The sad thing is I want to ride every day, I just don't do it.
I put over 24K on my first year. It's all relative.
Replacement cost, is crazy
The V4R is back on the roads 🔥
lol. 4000 miles and recommend a clutch !!!
thats the ducati life...
You forgot to put the word beautiful in your title. Now I don’t believe that your Ducati V4R is actually beautiful
No Ducati / dry clutch for me... ty 4-6000 mile clutch is insane.
coz its not really made for street use or daily use... her habitat is in the track
Something so simple as putting race fluid in ur clutch master cylinder lol
Nah' something was off for the fluid to go bad that fast. Im thinking one of the bleed screws is seeping air in around the threads or something, or the master cylinder itself is allowing a micro amount with each application. Only time will tell.
Question? the blueing on the pipes is that natural or did you do it yourself??
I applied WD40 to the exhaust pipes
@@650ib Cheers, good news about the clutch!!
Hey Ib nice gloves ! 9:35 See they are Alpinestars...model name?
Every time I get my oil changed on mine, I replace Break fluids and clutch fluid
I will do that from now on too
I’m not sure if REKLUSE makes clutches for Ducati.. there pretty good clutches ✌️
We both going to reach 6k miles on our dry clutches💪🏿😤
My man ib is about as "composed" as they come! Shout out 📢 to ib for remaining "collected" & soft spoken, during this inspection. I can't say I would have been as, "peaceful"?😆, b/c @ 2:52 , for me, THAT statement is a "red flag", moment of clarity. What do you mean, "we've seen these WAY WORSE 😳after 10 or 15k miles"?? 😖?? Why? What's the advantage of a dry clutch, then? My '09 ZX-14 had over 90K mi. on it when I sold it, and it still had ALL the factory original clutch parts in it, working tip top. And I beat on that 14 collecting souls from 3,500mi to 90K mi., shifting EVERY GEAR, up & down, b/c it didn't have a Quick Shftr. That bike is old OLD school. But I never had to chg the clutch. . . . 90k+ miles. It's no fault of the owners' riding habits [ 2:18 ]. I saw what he did there, and that's eff'd up . . . imo. Kyle is "quick shifting" the responsibility to the owner, who is ONLY riding the bike as it was designed to be ridden. Nothing more. It's a "RACE" bike, right? Don't try to "smoothly" say I brought this on myself, THEN tell me [ 4:03 ] the design is "great for racing applications" 👎🏽👎🏽. Huh? 🤷🏽♂
The advantage to a dry clutch is: easier to maintain, reduce rotational mass, reduce power loss through the engine. Its advantage is it makes the RACE bike faster. If you’re looking at it compared to a non race bike then of course it’s going to be ridiculous. When you buy a race bike, and use it to race, you have to expect to use the racing service intervals. The race service intervals on the clutch are 1000 miles. The street use interval is 6k miles. Ib made it 4200 miles. For how he uses the bike, that’s good mileage. Race bike = race service intervals.
@@kroot47 - got it 👍🏾
The more I watch , and see these machines on the road , and I can do some of the maintenance… I’m wanting one!!
Do you happen to know if the V4R uses a different "Clutch Holding Tool" than a normal V4? Since the actual clutch basket is smaller.
For more cheap theories, a motorcycle that in less than two years of use already has those problems unlike Japanese motorcycles. on 89.000 km on my zx10rr have still on original clutch
Thats why you need to stick to your Ninja H2🎸
Well damn! Now I don’t think I want a dry clutch anymore 650.. 😂…
Thanks!
I think you will make about 5,680 miles
Excelente men!!!
4K?? shouldn't that basket be warrantied? its a street legal bike.....that basket should be alot more tougher than the actual items that are meant to wear out like the friction disks and steels..... regardless of how you ride your bike.... how you ride is your business no one else's!! Ib- O/T gotta get your slabs at the house power washed....lol
i doubt any clutch components are warrantied but unfortunately it's for all to see on youtube lol
@@cletus2941 I guess...but , all I'm saying is 4K is a bit premature regardless dry or wet + his smack down runs are not that harsh on the assembly they're not dumping clutch at slower speeds.... But I guess it also seems inferior parts are incorporated for job security.
9000 miles ib
What caused the problem?
Somehow air got into my clutch line and caused the clutch fluid to boil. The fluid became very dark and rendered the clutch useless.
Its crazy that the Ducati techs are just like "Oh yeah, you'll need a clutch basket and clutch pack replacement every 4,000 miles. This is totally normal."
On this bike…ya. Race bike = race service intervals.
@@kroot47😂
Too much smack down 🤣🤣
You could get way more than 2k miles out of that.
id love to own a ducati they are sick, but the cost of ownership over here in the united states seems rough.
The V4R costs a lot ya. Race bike = race service intervals. A base or S model is very different and costs no more than any other bike to maintain.
Facts 🦾
@rob here in Europe the bikes are more expensive than in the US where they cost in $ less than in €, so are the taxes on the bike in some european countries: in Austria, add some 24 per cent. Most people buy in Germany and then pay the austrian tax, it's still cheaper. Labour costs at Ducati are EUR 180/hour, plus IB's akrapovic exhaust is not road legal over here, even though Akra, the company, is in Slovenia.
Sorry but thats a joke i used to abuse the clutch on my old zx6 never had one cluctch issue had done over 20 thousand miles before selling it
Racing durability = tissue paper.
I not a fan of the dry clutch sound.
8:39 "Made in China"...
Don’t really like what Kyle kept implying
Insane clean?
High maintenance motorcycle...
I had to stop the video at 1:22 because I cant stand to watch the rest. First off, he should have known immediately its the fluid that needs replaced and the clutch simply needs to be bled. Theres no reason he needs to take the clutch apart unless its slipping, which it wasnt. It was not engaging, so its air in the clutch lines. So why is the clutch taken apart. He should have shown you how to bleed the lines and moved on. Theres absolutely NO ISSUES with the clutch itself at 4000 miles, you have air in your clutch line and it simply needs to be bled. End of story. Those techs are snowjobbing you. Everything they said is true to an extent, but NOT at 4000 miles. There is a ton of miles left on that clutch. Bleed the clutch at home and skip the visit to the dealer.
IB asked us to do to a clutch plate inspection for this video. We talked before hand and I told him I was 90% sure it would be a clutch fluid flush. So yes I agree with you, it should have been just fluid and move on, per client request we disassembled clutch for inspection.
650ib: Someone from Ohio won the July 3, 2024, Powerball Jackpot worth $139 Million Dollars. Was it you? 🤑
almost $300 for a fluid change that takes 10 minutes? bend over and let me know when.
$300 for clutch inspection(full disassembly and a clutch fluid flush yes. 1.25 hours to remove and inspect clutch, .25 for fluid flush. Plus cost of parts. It’s a lil under $300.
@@kroot47 inspect what? any moron can tell you the fluid was cooked when a lever has almost no pressure and there aren't any leaks. GTFO trying to defend the stealership.
Way too many hmmm and you know I hear.
these bikes are what the mechanics call fragile.......thats the reason jd never own one
its a track bike, not a drag bike man
It's whatever the owner wants it to be man
@650ib tell ‘im
650lb what drone do you have?