Nijushiho is a brillant kata teaching many useful lessons for practical self defense / combat. The bunkai shown here is not actually practical from my pov, however. It builds (and works) only in a formalised long distance and karateka vs. karateka environment - typical for many Japanese Bunkai interpretations. After many years of doubtfully practising this way I had so many aha effects since going back to Okinawan and Chinese roots (and other ways and styles, that remained practical such as Kyusho or FMA) - and modern, practical interpretations of kata as close range self defense systems. There is nothing new under the sun, except maybe for the old... to quote Iain Abernethy.
"Bunkai"s ARE NOT "real applications" indeed ... their goal is to get a better knowledge of katas and their principles ... furthermore, they allows You to achieve the proper skill to move correctly, to get a right sense of distance, to develope Your energy, etc etc ... Of course You can't apply a bunkai exactly as it is in a real situation ... that's not its goal, i repeat ... People who don't understand this, don't understand the essence of basic, traditional method ... And Whoever teaches bunkais saying that they are "real self defence", is fooling his students !
In reality, your opponent will not attack you in sequence as described in KATA. But KATA teach you how to react based on situation match to it. Some people think it is worth to learn KATA but some people don't. It is depend on each individual interpretation and understanding. KATA is word for form in Karate (Japanese language), in other words you will find POOMSAE in Taekwondo (Korea), JURUS or KEMBANGAN in Pencak Silat (Indonesia, Malaysia, etc), etc.
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It’s called Bunkai & Only Maybe Suggested or possible scenarios ! Of course street fight different but Shotokan has an exceptional standard of strict training for speed power agility & 1 strike kill concept built around old feudal Japan,many years of history & multiple attackers theory etc Much the same as Europe these days 🙄 ! Muscle memory training Increases response time & more chance of spontaneous correct technique ! 🥋👌😁
I really like this kata and will try to learn it extensively in the coming weeks.. I do 2 other styles myself, but now and then I also look at the different forms of different styles, then try them out in free practice after learning something for myself. The problem with Shotokan is first and foremost that it already has many forms by itself, while the other karate styles have only 10 or 12 forms. Thus, this behavior is highly recommended for Shotokan athletes only conditionally. Although Shotokan is a wonderful sport, I honestly prefer most other styles. It also has too many rigid movements that I find unnatural. Especially with the far too low stalls. Incidentally, you should also occasionally do fascia training or something like Pilates, since you are just as Karateka very vulnerable to permanent joint pain over the years, which are not so easy to leave afterwards. Unfortunately, a former teacher of mine had to give up his athletic career.
How can it be possibile ? We're in 2019 and people still can't understand the aim of the "traditional method" : Kata, Bunkai, etc must be practiced as perfectly as possible in order to achieve a "natural response" of Your body, brain espirit in the case of a real combat situation ... When the technique and the basic principles are "inside of You" and they come "naturally", without thinking, You'll be able to adapt them in a "real situation" ... of course You WON'T do exactly what you do in the dojo when you're training, You will "adapt" what You learned ... You can't study a "scheme" as it was "real" because reality will be ALWAYS different from what You do in You dojo ... You have to get the principles and to master them ... Of course this requires a lot of time and studying/training ... But this is the traditional martial method ... You can think that it isn't good, ok, so please choose some other "modern method" and quit traditional martial arts if You don't like it ... But at least You should try to understand ...
Tell me have you honestly ever seen anybody block a direct punch to the face with a technique called Jodan Uke, ever seen anyone block a punch to the midsection with Chudan uchi uke? Or have you ever seen anyone block a kick to the midsection using gedan barai? No? Me neither nor will you have seen any of these used in any competition either. All these blocks found their way into karate because they were originally used in Okinawa while you were handling weaponry such as Tonfa. They are pretty useless in a real fight so why karate still persisting using them is beyond me
@@AlienPsyTing1 Karate uses them out of respect for tradition, to study and automatise the range of possibilities and to increase a proper, allround muscular strength! You don't want nor respect these- learn another martial art! But don't meddle with karate!
@@Freiya2011 but if they cannot be used in normal combat why teach them? Ps Karate has been meddled with for decades, that’s why there are different schools. Peace
@@AlienPsyTing1 I already explained why they should be taught. We also teach calculations at school although there are computers that do it much faster. Education is not just knowing about the necessary, but also about background, dependencies, developments, ... If you only concentrate on the strictly necessary any world heritage will be soon forgotten.
How does this relate to real fighting? Nobody would ever attack you with a lunge punch. Who would stand in a horseriding stance sideways to an assailant?
This is just my humble opinion about a tiny part of what has being taught to me. A kata (the 'thing' in the video) is just one part of the three main components that compose the traditional karate: kata, kihon, kumite. Even though the kumite (sometimes confused with the sport-karate) gains most of the attention, the other two must be developed in parallel in order to build a good karate. Kihon gives you the basis, kata gives you a routine and an invisible opponent to train with, and kumite gives you the opportunity to prove your training with control. So, if you train a kata over the years and are able to perform it with kime (power) and precision then you will be able to react (probably in a more loose way) with your muscle memory and your body by itself will follow the flow of your training. (Apart of course the huge philosophical and sociological background on every concept in karate, including of course the kata) As a matter of fact (even though I'm against all kind of violence) my Senpai, whose tokui kata by coincidence is Nijushiho, recently was assaulted by 5 guys (here in my country assaults are quite violent, usually with fire-guns and everything) so he had no choise. I will just say that the traditional training was more than effective in this case. So in the context of a real fight, the important are not the movements described in the video but the training of them over the years. But that's just my opinion :)
This doesnt relate to real fighting, because that is not the intention of the teacher. What he teaches here is the intentions of the movements (e.g. this kick should be hard and at this height), i.e. kihon bunkai. what you are referring to is oyo (bunkai), the practical explanation of the movements, these would be locks, breaks, chokes etc. Given, it would still be practised against karate practitioners, but i speak out of experience when i say that people on the street move so absurd and uncontrolled that you only need the jest to make it applicable.
+Warren Eaton I wonder, could it be that your Senpai did well against 5 attackers despite kata training? Having said that, I'm pleased he went well. As a Shotokan practitioner, for more years than I care to admit to, I would contend that Shotokan is actually not as 'traditional' as many of us claim it to be. Shotokan, and other school too for that matter, seem to constantly fall back on attacks that are more likely to be found in the dojo or the competition arena, rather than realistic common assaults aka Habitual Acts of Physical Violence, as Patrick McCarthy Sensei has labelled them. I love my Shotokan but often cringe when I see some of the Bunkai, Henka Waza, Oyo or what ever other name it's given to impress us dumb gaigin, that get trotted out. We often excuse the poor applications as 'just for demonstration purpose'. Personally I think it's an opportunity wasted to demonstrate the best applications against realistic assailants.
Bill Blinky mmm... yes ofcourse, there are a lot of karateka who are focussed on competitive/sports karate instead of budo karate. But the japanese karate federations/associations acknowledge this as well. You should look up Andre Bertel Sensei. he's a good spokesman for Budo Karate. Regarding kata, it is interesting to see how a lot of top karateka in all kinds of styles in later life emphasize kata as being extremely important. An interesting spokesman being Hajime Kazumi, who is a legendary Kyokushinkai instructor and fighter, who proclaims that Kata is the most important. Other instructors would focus on kihon often as well. But most i think would focus on a combination of all three. Kumite without kihon and kata is just fighting without technique.
+Ruby Redford unfortunately no one has actually answered your questions. The purpose of training this way (as perfectly as possible) is so that in the event of an actual fight, your body will act in the most dynamic way possible. It's muscle memory. Will you actually have enough time to sit into a "technically correct" back stance, fold, block, shift to forward stance, grab the attackers arm, and reverse punch with full range hip action? Probably not. But your body with automatically use the best physiology of what you've spend years and years training. As far as the Kogeki (attacker) delivering "perfectly executed" attacks, it's about preparing yourself for the supreme foe as well as allowing the student to practice the technique without risk of injury. Also, for the other person training with you, to strike with the best technique possible. If you train more with poor technique thats what your mind and muscles will default to. Now... I do agree with you. Only practicing this way creates some weak points and unrealistic expectations of an attacker. That why a good teacher will have a healthy dose of free fighting so that the students understand what real time fighting looks like versus prearranged bunkai, as well as have the Kogeki use different attacks like hook punches, cross punches, "from zero" attacks etc etc. Honestly, its hard to explain the real essence of proper karate training in words. What you have to understand is that Karate is an art that has to be trained as a complete system over an expanded about of time. Happy training my friend.
для Msg Di Sante Вы сами проверяли то о чем пишете, что утверждаете, в боевой ситуации. Като ничего общего не имеет с боевым искусством. Это можно принять, как динамическую медитацию, как игру для укрепления здоровья. Всю жизнь занимался боевой подготовкой и нигде , мне эти стойки из ката и тем более такой способ выполнения болевого на локоть не помогли. Его просто не выполнить. Это полная профонация... Проще лажа.. Я не против, что этим занимаются, сам более 30 лет занимался традиционным каратэ, по школе Х. Канадзавы, Мир Ему, но никогда не относился к этому, как к боевому искусству, только как к спорту. Параллельно занимался армейским РБ, прикладными боевыми системами.
Nijushiho is a brillant kata teaching many useful lessons for practical self defense / combat. The bunkai shown here is not actually practical from my pov, however. It builds (and works) only in a formalised long distance and karateka vs. karateka environment - typical for many Japanese Bunkai interpretations. After many years of doubtfully practising this way I had so many aha effects since going back to Okinawan and Chinese roots (and other ways and styles, that remained practical such as Kyusho or FMA) - and modern, practical interpretations of kata as close range self defense systems. There is nothing new under the sun, except maybe for the old... to quote Iain Abernethy.
"Bunkai"s ARE NOT "real applications" indeed ... their goal is to get a better knowledge of katas and their principles ... furthermore, they allows You to achieve the proper skill to move correctly, to get a right sense of distance, to develope Your energy, etc etc ... Of course You can't apply a bunkai exactly as it is in a real situation ... that's not its goal, i repeat ... People who don't understand this, don't understand the essence of basic, traditional method ... And Whoever teaches bunkais saying that they are "real self defence", is fooling his students !
In reality, your opponent will not attack you in sequence as described in KATA. But KATA teach you how to react based on situation match to it. Some people think it is worth to learn KATA but some people don't. It is depend on each individual interpretation and understanding. KATA is word for form in Karate (Japanese language), in other words you will find POOMSAE in Taekwondo (Korea), JURUS or KEMBANGAN in Pencak Silat (Indonesia, Malaysia, etc), etc.
Works well in application against someone punching in a karate way, I think the Okinawan karate
have a much more realistic approach to self defence!
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Change it to a jab from boxing and it works exactly the same. I pressure test it with my friends of other styles. Always comes down to repetition tho.
It’s called Bunkai & Only Maybe Suggested or possible scenarios ! Of course street fight different but Shotokan has an exceptional standard of strict training for speed power agility & 1 strike kill concept built around old feudal Japan,many years of history & multiple attackers theory etc Much the same as Europe these days 🙄 ! Muscle memory training Increases response time & more chance of spontaneous correct technique ! 🥋👌😁
i could watch Kagawa Sensei all day long
So could i along with Tom.and Jerry
I really like this kata and will try to learn it extensively in the coming weeks.. I do 2 other styles myself, but now and then I also look at the different forms of different styles, then try them out in free practice after learning something for myself. The problem with Shotokan is first and foremost that it already has many forms by itself, while the other karate styles have only 10 or 12 forms. Thus, this behavior is highly recommended for Shotokan athletes only conditionally. Although Shotokan is a wonderful sport, I honestly prefer most other styles. It also has too many rigid movements that I find unnatural. Especially with the far too low stalls. Incidentally, you should also occasionally do fascia training or something like Pilates, since you are just as Karateka very vulnerable to permanent joint pain over the years, which are not so easy to leave afterwards. Unfortunately, a former teacher of mine had to give up his athletic career.
Por favor tu que pareces conocer bastante sobre karate dime que escuela o estilos tienen solo 10 o 12 katas, seria de mucho interés para mi. gracias
Thank you for sharing! Its very helpful!
Impresionante Shijan Masao Kagawa en sus explicaciones
The Master !
Bunkai improponibile.
Grazie Master Shihan Kagawa, 🙏
Very good(teacher,or semsei).I am studying this KATA(Nijushiho),now.^.^My English is not good.
How can it be possibile ? We're in 2019 and people still can't understand the aim of the "traditional method" : Kata, Bunkai, etc must be practiced as perfectly as possible in order to achieve a "natural response" of Your body, brain espirit in the case of a real combat situation ... When the technique and the basic principles are "inside of You" and they come "naturally", without thinking, You'll be able to adapt them in a "real situation" ... of course You WON'T do exactly what you do in the dojo when you're training, You will "adapt" what You learned ... You can't study a "scheme" as it was "real" because reality will be ALWAYS different from what You do in You dojo ... You have to get the principles and to master them ... Of course this requires a lot of time and studying/training ... But this is the traditional martial method ... You can think that it isn't good, ok, so please choose some other "modern method" and quit traditional martial arts if You don't like it ... But at least You should try to understand ...
Thank you! A very necessary post - obviously
Tell me have you honestly ever seen anybody block a direct punch to the face with a technique called Jodan Uke, ever seen anyone block a punch to the midsection with Chudan uchi uke? Or have you ever seen anyone block a kick to the midsection using gedan barai? No? Me neither nor will you have seen any of these used in any competition either. All these blocks found their way into karate because they were originally used in Okinawa while you were handling weaponry such as Tonfa. They are pretty useless in a real fight so why karate still persisting using them is beyond me
@@AlienPsyTing1 Karate uses them out of respect for tradition, to study and automatise the range of possibilities and to increase a proper, allround muscular strength! You don't want nor respect these- learn another martial art! But don't meddle with karate!
@@Freiya2011 but if they cannot be used in normal combat why teach them? Ps Karate has been meddled with for decades, that’s why there are different schools. Peace
@@AlienPsyTing1 I already explained why they should be taught.
We also teach calculations at school although there are computers that do it much faster. Education is not just knowing about the necessary, but also about background, dependencies, developments, ... If you only concentrate on the strictly necessary any world heritage will be soon forgotten.
Kagawa Sensei sa quello che fa, se questo era il livello da mostrare avrà avuto le sue ragioni. Come karateka Kagawa Sensei non si discute.
Kagawa is a zainichi Korean I know him
nijushiho is my favourite kata
Oss!
nice! ❤️
Comparing this with mma in real fghit
So far from reality
Its a shame to see such an awesome karateka teaching such nonsense applications .......
Yeah I had recently been taught bunkai of this Kata the same way & i was like wtf this is terrible haha
Good coach Karate Master Kagawa very nice Bonkay
Finish with left foot forward?
I think he forgot the awase-zuki after he turned around the first time.
Amazing how they have no clue what kata is for. Trully baffling how people in modern day buy into this crap.
YOU`RE RIGHT, EVEN KAGAWA DOESN'T KNOW THE APPLICATION OF KATA THIS IS AWFUL. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT??
@@carlosalbertocastillocoron1776 That's true my friend, he has no idea whatsoever.
It couldn't be more unrealistic! There is no idea behind it. Above all, the starting position is absurd.
Great Masao Kagawa the original master of the world
Deluded im.afraid.
Chotokan👏👏
Johnny halliday
Yup, there's no use in watching martial arts movies anymore....
How does this relate to real fighting? Nobody would ever attack you with a lunge punch. Who would stand in a horseriding stance sideways to an assailant?
This is just my humble opinion about a tiny part of what has being taught to me. A kata (the 'thing' in the video) is just one part of the three main components that compose the traditional karate: kata, kihon, kumite. Even though the kumite (sometimes confused with the sport-karate) gains most of the attention, the other two must be developed in parallel in order to build a good karate. Kihon gives you the basis, kata gives you a routine and an invisible opponent to train with, and kumite gives you the opportunity to prove your training with control. So, if you train a kata over the years and are able to perform it with kime (power) and precision then you will be able to react (probably in a more loose way) with your muscle memory and your body by itself will follow the flow of your training. (Apart of course the huge philosophical and sociological background on every concept in karate, including of course the kata)
As a matter of fact (even though I'm against all kind of violence) my Senpai, whose tokui kata by coincidence is Nijushiho, recently was assaulted by 5 guys (here in my country assaults are quite violent, usually with fire-guns and everything) so he had no choise. I will just say that the traditional training was more than effective in this case.
So in the context of a real fight, the important are not the movements described in the video but the training of them over the years.
But that's just my opinion :)
This doesnt relate to real fighting, because that is not the intention of the teacher. What he teaches here is the intentions of the movements (e.g. this kick should be hard and at this height), i.e. kihon bunkai. what you are referring to is oyo (bunkai), the practical explanation of the movements, these would be locks, breaks, chokes etc.
Given, it would still be practised against karate practitioners, but i speak out of experience when i say that people on the street move so absurd and uncontrolled that you only need the jest to make it applicable.
+Warren Eaton I wonder, could it be that your Senpai did well against 5 attackers despite kata training? Having said that, I'm pleased he went well.
As a Shotokan practitioner, for more years than I care to admit to, I would contend that Shotokan is actually not as 'traditional' as many of us claim it to be. Shotokan, and other school too for that matter, seem to constantly fall back on attacks that are more likely to be found in the dojo or the competition arena, rather than realistic common assaults aka Habitual Acts of Physical Violence, as Patrick McCarthy Sensei has labelled them.
I love my Shotokan but often cringe when I see some of the Bunkai, Henka Waza, Oyo or what ever other name it's given to impress us dumb gaigin, that get trotted out. We often excuse the poor applications as 'just for demonstration purpose'. Personally I think it's an opportunity wasted to demonstrate the best applications against realistic assailants.
Bill Blinky mmm... yes ofcourse, there are a lot of karateka who are focussed on competitive/sports karate instead of budo karate. But the japanese karate federations/associations acknowledge this as well.
You should look up Andre Bertel Sensei. he's a good spokesman for Budo Karate.
Regarding kata, it is interesting to see how a lot of top karateka in all kinds of styles in later life emphasize kata as being extremely important. An interesting spokesman being Hajime Kazumi, who is a legendary Kyokushinkai instructor and fighter, who proclaims that Kata is the most important. Other instructors would focus on kihon often as well. But most i think would focus on a combination of all three.
Kumite without kihon and kata is just fighting without technique.
+Ruby Redford unfortunately no one has actually answered your questions. The purpose of training this way (as perfectly as possible) is so that in the event of an actual fight, your body will act in the most dynamic way possible. It's muscle memory. Will you actually have enough time to sit into a "technically correct" back stance, fold, block, shift to forward stance, grab the attackers arm, and reverse punch with full range hip action? Probably not. But your body with automatically use the best physiology of what you've spend years and years training. As far as the Kogeki (attacker) delivering "perfectly executed" attacks, it's about preparing yourself for the supreme foe as well as allowing the student to practice the technique without risk of injury. Also, for the other person training with you, to strike with the best technique possible. If you train more with poor technique thats what your mind and muscles will default to. Now... I do agree with you. Only practicing this way creates some weak points and unrealistic expectations of an attacker. That why a good teacher will have a healthy dose of free fighting so that the students understand what real time fighting looks like versus prearranged bunkai, as well as have the Kogeki use different attacks like hook punches, cross punches, "from zero" attacks etc etc. Honestly, its hard to explain the real essence of proper karate training in words. What you have to understand is that Karate is an art that has to be trained as a complete system over an expanded about of time. Happy training my friend.
oss sihan.
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Buognorno
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Tai Chi!
+IRENE STEWART
BESTA QUADRADA!!!!!
il kata ed il bunkai non sono proprio il suo forte
His interpretation of Gankaku is the best! NOT
So much crap on display here.
для Msg Di Sante Вы сами проверяли то о чем пишете, что утверждаете, в боевой ситуации. Като ничего общего не имеет с боевым искусством. Это можно принять, как динамическую медитацию, как игру для укрепления здоровья. Всю жизнь занимался боевой подготовкой и нигде , мне эти стойки из ката и тем более такой способ выполнения болевого на локоть не помогли. Его просто не выполнить. Это полная профонация... Проще лажа.. Я не против, что этим занимаются, сам более 30 лет занимался традиционным каратэ, по школе Х. Канадзавы, Мир Ему, но никогда не относился к этому, как к боевому искусству, только как к спорту. Параллельно занимался армейским РБ, прикладными боевыми системами.