Super fun how The Idol's showrunner was originally a woman (Amy Seimetz), who they then fired because the Weeknd thought the show focused too much on the "female perspective". And then they scrapped the entire show and brought in Sam so the two of them could make their sick fantasies in film version.
On a lighter note it's so great to see Sean on here! Had a blast listening (as always) even if it was just me going "Right???!" while you ripped these shows apart.
@@ThatCrazyBookWyrm finding out his name is SEÁN of all things is missing with me. before i saw this podcast i knew two things: this man was our most famous YTer (or, after seeng the title: after Clisare), and his name is jack. my world view has been forever changed. his name is JOHN wtf
the whole era of shipping people together on the internet (specifically two guys) is partially the outcome of no one having proper representation of queer relationships in media growing up and not understanding how to be appropriate about things. so uncomfortable all because no one was properly educated about things that should be normal
I notice it’s still an issue in the kpop community and it’s always so bizarre to see. It kinda feels like it’s an issue the internet should’ve grown past but it still crops up in K-pop ( and Minecraft) communities that I feel like are pretty queer and should be aware of the creepiness
@@SmatterCloudsit’s also often younger teens and kids who probably shouldn’t be interacting with the internet in that way. as someone who used to be a part of that side of fandom at that age (i’m an adult now), i cringe so hard at that behavior.
@@SmatterCloudsas a kpop fan i agree,,, it’s interesting bc unlike in american culture men there seem to be way more physically affectionate so i think most people see that and immediately think gay
@@SmatterCloudsespecially since it’s almost encouraged sometimes for members to give fanservice and play up the relationship for publicity sake. But it’s absolutely not okay for someone to be TRULY gay. They can only play pretend and queerbait for laughs or the attention ships garner.
i really enjoy the discussion of ezra millers pronouns and then continuing to call them a bad person. its so childish when people are like "ur cringe so im misgendering you forever" and im just glad that we dont take away who someone is despite them being a pos
Yah, funny enough during, or before this video I got an ad about some Candace owens looking woman, misgendeirng and tlaking about Ezra, like yes, they suck but it’s not hard to say they
@@HamiltonIsLife Ezra has assaulted people and groomed minors (which means probably even worse things that I won't say out loud here) and should be in prison. You guys are downplaying it. It goes far beyond "you're cringe" or "they suck."
To be absolutely sincere, nobody is obligated to gaf about a criminals gender identity. “Who they are” is a criminal, that’s the identity they’ve made most prominent for themselves. If someone is talking about them and says “he” you realize how dumb it is to point that out given the circumstances right?
god i used to be SUCH a huge jacksepticeye fan when letsplays were huge, its such a delight seeing him with y'all and listening to him talk about such interesting stuff!!!
Yo Jarvis, this was the word on the tip of your tongue. Sonder (noun) - The profound feeling of realizing that everyone, including strangers passed in the street, has a life as complex as one's own, which they are constantly living despite one's personal lack of awareness of it.
Yup yup yup, it does get worse before it gets better. Took me six years to report the guy who assaulted me and my god, the stress during that process was near impossible to cope with. But it’s done now, and I feel much more equipped to move on. Much love to all of you. Life sucks, but we can keep going and create our own meanings above our circumstances. :-)
God, it's been almost 2 years since leaving a sexually abusive relationship and I feel bad for not going to therapy yet for it when ik I'm not just gonna be ok after that, but ugh it sucks ass
@@Official_Nigel_Simp there’s no one path to recovery ❤️🩹 Maybe you’ll feel like therapy is the move one day, and you’re always allowed to change your mind. Other than those directly involved at the time, I had never had the opportunity to share my entire story until earlier this year when reporting. It sucked beyond what words can describe lol. Lost SO much sleep, but reaching that personal goal of mine was so freeing. Even if nothing comes out of it, I felt as though the ‘situation’ was finally taken out of my hands. I did the thing I wished I had done for myself sooner. You might want something different, and that’s okay. I do encourage you to take a peek at your local resource centers for SA survivors. There are people who dedicate their careers to make sure that people like us can get access to free counseling, coaching, or (the most impactful thing for me personally) just being there with you to help navigate some pretty overwhelming legal processes. You’re not a burden on anyone. You deserve to heal too. Just gotta be patient with yourself in the meantime.
@@Official_Nigel_Simpno need to “feel bad” for anything. recovery isn’t linear, and remember everybody heals differently, you should go whenever you feel ready ❤
about the shipping real people/youtubers part - one of the things too is that when that was very popular, a lot of us (as i am unfortunately guilty) were literal children. like 13-15 age. and as a person that age you just don't understand the repercussions and nuance of what you're doing; to you, the youtubers are as real as fictional characters and you don't understand the potential harm of your actions. as i (and many others) have grown, i have realized the detriment in that and like you guys said, learned from it and moved on from it. i would never again participate in that. at that point in my life i didn't even understand the concept of boundaries at all 😭 so i'm very glad to have grown and learned from that 💗
It's nice to see someone correctly pointing out that 13-15 year olds are children and nowhere near fully developed. I get very tired of high schoolers getting mad at me for not wanting to interact with them or even, god forbid, allow them into mature spaces. yall, you're not mature. at all.
I agree. I was very heavily involved in the JSE markiplier fandom, and luckily didn’t take part in shipping really but I did write fanfiction. And when I turned about 18 I started to feel really weirded out about it. I started to realize the boundaries and moved on from it. I hope younger kids now can hopefully get it a little sooner than us and learn from our mistakes. The boundaries are there and I hope younger kids now can learn from the mistakes.
there should be more awareness of how that stuff violates a boundary when applied to ppl like that (unless they openly endorse it, which is rare but not unheard of... and possibly even weirder tbh...), but it does make me laugh that ppl talk about it as if it's made by a bunch of fully grown adult pervs when it's just little kids making their dollies kiss, lmao is it weird that ur dollies were real human beings? obviously, but thats just the culture around u. kids from the 80s and 90s didnt get all of their embarrassing celeb crush talk crystallized in a digital archive for the actual adult world to gawk at, they got it out of their system and laugh about it in hindsight at high school reunions or w/e. growing up online is f-cked, i genuinely wish we could divide the internet by age group somehow - for everyone's sake. our social spaces are wayyy too cross-contaminated
people still do it though, adults still have that mentality that it's okay to ship real people or sexualize and actor just because a character they play is hot
This is why I'm a fan of Sean. He willingly owns that he's fucked up in the past and he talks about it, he also has learned from his mistakes and has grown into a fantastic role model. Never watched this channel before but these guys are great. Really glad I'm here.
I’m (26) the sole caregiver for my 61-year-old mother who was just diagnosed with dementia. Hearing Jordan talk about things with his mom made me feel less alone on a day I really needed it. As always, this podcast is pure gold.
Wasn't expecting this one to smack me with the feels!! Jordan, my mom was just diagnosed with dementia as a result of having strokes as well. It's been difficult. Even more so on my younger brothers, because they've been her primary caregivers since I live in another state halfway across the US. We're 24 and 26 respectively, so being so young and having to decide on things like assisted living and home care for her has been heart wrenching and incredibly difficult. Anyway I really appreciate you talking about it, as sad as it is I'm glad to feel like I'm not the only one dealing with this kind of stuff.
You both are so young, and I cant imagine having to make such a big decision and stepping into a role with so much responsibility so young. I can only wish you well and hope you and your brothers can help each other the best you can. Never feel like you can't rely on others to help! My aunt was diagnosed just at the tail-end of her fourties, and it's devastating to watch, especially when she herself is so young, but sometimes you just need to turn away for a bit to collect yourself. I hope you're able to take care of yourself as well as your mom; all the best to you and your family 💕
"You're the first love of your life" I like that quote. It makes me want to care for myself which is always hard. Thank you 3 for being so open about mental health. It helps destigmatize it that much more.
As a fellow member of the ADHD/Anxiety/Depression gauntlet club, I just wanted to say how much I appreciate you all talking about your mental health. It's honestly so comforting to have people I admire who also deal with the same stuff that I do. I've been really going through it for almost a year now, and this podcast has been a real safe haven for me. (I would say how funny it is that so many of your friends/guests also have adhd but we do genuinely tend to attract each other, lol.) Obviously I'd rather that you weren't struggling at all! But I really appreciate the candidness, it makes me feel very seen and makes my experiences much less isolating ❤️
Hearing Sean talk about his mental health journey has also made me think that like,, maybe I should try therapy again? I had a few really bad experiences with therapists (last one was particularly rough) and I kind of swore it off for myself. But idk, maybe one day I can actually meet someone who can help? I do a decent enough job on my own, but it's exhausting to be your own therapists, and I know there's blind spots I have to be missing. I know therapy is super helpful, don't get me wrong, I just didn't find much success with it. But maybe it's time to try again.
@@ThatCrazyBookWyrmI'm in a similar spot rn and just wanted to say, I hear ya, I feel ya. It's so tiring trying to find a therapist that fits, and having bad experiences can really knock you back. We'll get there 👍
that unfortunately validates why i never wanted to be on tumblr lol because i hate reddit and don't want to be around wherever they're going next. godspeed to tumblr users who have to deal with them
"The Idol" sounds like someone heard about all the shit Alfred Hitchcock did to Tippi Hedren and thought, "Wow, what a genius man, I should make a show like this."
God i remember my septipliar phase, i was nine and had a yaoi phase of fetishizing gay man before i realized i was a trans man 💀 eventually i did learn it's not okay to ship real people, and even people that allow that to happen like some minecraft youtubers are doing something inherently harmful because they curate this culture of objectifying people and violated boundaries of others.
The pipeline of shipping and yaoi to chastising yourself for fetishising gay men to realising that you just wanted to be a man in a relationship with another man. I also went through the phan and septiplier phase from when I was 9. Tumblr really fostered unhealthy roadblocks to understanding ourselves from such a young age. Such is the internet.
I've noticed a big push for stoicism lately particularly on social media, and I'm glad people are talking more about mental health, but I would also just like to quickly add that like any philosophy it's not without criticism. I can see Sean's a very humble and thoughtful person so none of this is meant as an attack on him, I think it's wonderful someone with his platform can encourage this kind of self reflection and vulnerability. I would say for the sake of recognising all sides of a discussion that taking the position 'the world isn't evil or out to get you', whilst true for many and a healthy tool to combat anxiety, unfortunately is not an absolute. For some people, the world really is against them in an inherently unjust way, for reasons entirely out of their individual control. Without widespread systemic societal change, internal reflection and meditation won't meaningfully improve the lives of marginalised groups. Of course stoicism has many benefits and I'm by no means saying it's wrong to find comfort in it, but it's also important to remember the limitations. If anyone is interested the channel Philosophy Tube laid out these points far better than I can articulate here, so I would strongly reccomend checking out their video on stoicism for a more thorough discussion of the pros and cons. Stay kind to each other and yourselves ❤
It was so validating hearing Jarvis talk about his relationship with adults in his life and how he had to raise himself from a young age. I lost my dad to self-unaliving at 18 and, as someone who forces myself to be as emotionally and functionally independent as possible, it felt like my childhood and everything I knew was ripped away from me and my entire worldview crumbled. I've had family, but it feels like I've been alone, raising myself and healing my inner child with a chunk of my heart missing. It feels like family and even my mom can't provide for me the guidance I still need because they're too busy taking care of themselves (and barely functioning because of their severe ADHD), so it feels like I'm all alone, completely lost and having to find my own way to some sort of stability or financial independence, while treating my own physical and mental health disabilities and taking college classes.
So your dad committed suicide damn I’m sorry to hear that. I’m currently going through the same thing with my mom killing her self. Jarvis is a good one to listen to for advice.
stoicism goes dangerously through the territory of "i am only responsible for how i react to what others do" and uses such excuses towards bigotry. with a thought of only feeling responsible for yourself, it can lead to not seeing how you can become responsible for others, even unintentionally. it tends to give the willful ignorant a voice that says "i dont get it so i dont care"
Yeah I've personally only seen stoicism only used by people who want to impress on others there's no such thing as racism or sexism or transphobia. Like hardline individualists. Where as for me, learning to exist within a society and act as a healthy member of any group, reparenting has been much more useful to process emotions and let go of primary anxieties.
I feel stoicism is ptsd/trauma before psychology gave it a term. And I can see lots of parallels like getting withdrawn when you "lose control of the outside world and only stay within your bubble"
Stoicism is a good building block for learning about psychology/philosophy but not really actualising therapy for yourself. There are definitely quotes by Marcus Aurelius that are profound, especially for the time they were written. But they were also in their infancy of understanding. I have the book Meditations by him, it's very interesting. There's also a lot of nonsense in there because of the time it was written that if you can't differentiate for yourself can easily lead you down an Andrew Tate path.
My family doesn’t believe anxiety/depression is real and tells me it’s my fault for not handling stress well and that I need to suck it up. So it’s really comforting to hear you guys be so open about mental health. Thanks ❤
The way you guys talk about mental health and are so vulnerable about the things you've gone through is so important and so valuable, and takes so much courage. It is so genuinely appreciated.
The mention of 13 reasons why sent me. I read the book in high school and the show absolutely destroyed the story. Them choosing to switch the way the sewer slide happened to be more graphic just to have shock value took away from those final moments as they’re described in the book. The choice to make up a whole second season based off a school shooter that didn’t happen in the book was trash. They 100% made that show with intent to romanticize self harm and violent behavior
jack talking about how ppl destroyed his boisterous personality by constantly criticizing him for it and jarvis looking at the camera when he says "i know what you mean" like forreal (also cause i'm high as balls) spoke directly to me as a fellow adhd haver it's honestly almost funny how every other adhd kid experienced that but funny in the wow that's crazy way
its crazy how every time i watch a sad boyz episode one of yall says something about your mental health experiences and i find it so deeply relatable that i should probably talk to a psychiatrist about it
I can relate so much to Jarvis. My dad died when I was 12 after being sick for a long time, my mom was working constantly so I cared for myself a lot, and my sibling and I were homeschooled without any of the actual schooling. It's a weird mix of isolation, maturing, reverting, and mimicking others that made up my life and I find myself constantly going back into my 12 year old mindset as an adult.
At 1:27:13 This really spoke to me, also in Australia we call this 'tall poppy syndrome' where people pull down anyone deemed too successful or confident.
I always find separating art from the artist difficult. In theory, I'm totally ok with that, especially for writers where it's not immediately noticeable (pirate their stuff, but still), but in so many cases once you find out their bad thing, you notice things in their story writing. Harry potter has, for example, people being unable to change the consequences of their birth, with things like squibs relegated to a life on the sidelines and Voldemort being born of a love potion and so cannot feel emotion and turns evil. A lot of the fear in Lovecraft can be drawn from his fear of the other, weird looking people from weird sounding places, society changing subtly and the horror of it. Personally i just think you have to be upfront about it. Lovecraftian stories are awesome, but he was a massive racist and that comes out in his writing. Harry potter is foundational for a lot of my generation, but she's a pretty racist transphobe.
I also feel like “separate the art from the artist” has lost its meaning because it isn’t used as like “we can still appreciate the art on its own without supporting the artist” (which is how it’s supposed to be) and used more like “I don’t actually care about the bad things these artists are doing I just wanna like what I like” I absolutely agree with the point that the things artists believe often show up in their works, and H.P Lovecraft and J.K Rowling are fantastic examples of this. Art is an extension of the artist, artists combine their life experiences and ideologies into a work that expresses those things and of course if they have bad ideologies those are going to show up in their work. I don’t think it’s wrong to enjoy works that have those sort of beliefs in it, as long as you don’t support those beliefs and can think critically for yourself about the harm those beliefs can cause. Moving back to how separate the art from the artist is used, I feel like many people, especially online, really attach themselves to artists or works of art they enjoy and it can be hard to accept when something they love can be really harmful. People understand that what the artist is doing is incredibly wrong, but something they can’t accept is the idea of letting go of something they enjoyed. So, many times they look for excuses to continue to support the art and that’s where our shiny golden star “separate the art from the artist” comes in. They don’t actually care about what separate the art from the artist means, they just want to continue to enjoy what they want without having to think critically about the work or think about how them continuing to support the art still benefits the artist.
@@bigbowlofspaghetti oh yeah, when I say it, I definitely mean eg, I still want to enjoy rereading Harry potter, but I refuse to buy anything new from her.
Honestly man i really appreciate this podcast because of your openness with mental health, its validating and feels nice to see people so willing to talk about it
This isn't following the trend of diversity in casts but on the topic of shows being more to the point and being able to convey what they want, Succession ending in just four seasons and feeling like a finished product is always a good feeling because... yeah, The Sopranos could've done without a couple of those seasons even if I did like them on the first watch.
Jarvis talking about his mom made me want to cry I need to tell my mom I love her even more On a joking note Stoicism is all fun and games until you start crying unprovoked because you have no emotional regulation “You can only control how you react” my ass
This was great. Seán is one of my favorite creators. You all discussed so many great really relatable topics. As a non-binary person I am always appreciative of a conversation about respecting someone's identity even if they are not a very respectable person, so thank you for that. I was one of those people for awhile who felt podcasts were boring and never really listened to them. But Brainleak and now this channel are totally changing my mind on that. 🙂
Man it's always so just... validating hearing y'all talk about adhd, because it's just exactly how life has been like for me and how I've always struggled. It just is nice to hear that I'm not the only one.
Gotta say ive never interacted w jacksepticeye's content beyond maybe overhearing a lets play my friends younger sister was watching, but wow what a great episode! Such an insightful dude, love u guys
didnt expect that they would talk abt 13 reasons why but i knew the show would be a horrible disaster because i had read the book in middle school while i was suicidal and it absolutely made me so much worse because it constantly reinforces why most people commit suicide especially at that age, a desire to be seen and heard, so the books whole plot being all of these people being forced to see and hear her was like wow if she could do it so can i
this was so unexpected but probably one of my fav eps of my the pod :) this came up after i was suggested to get therapy by a doctor and i appreciated you all talking about your experiences
This was such a fantastic episode of my favorite podcast. Thanks for sharing this, dudes. My favorite part is around 1:30:00, when Sean mentions that his therapist suggested to him the idea that we all have more than one “age” inside us, a metaphorical adult age and a metaphorical child age. Sean asks Jordan and Jarvis to guess the ages of each others’ inner child. It is so meaningful to me as a consumer of this podcast to see that concept normalized. Through my therapy journey, I’ve spent several years learning about and trying to feel comfortable with this idea of an inner child. I feel ashamed of it. It’s deeply comforting to hear a group of dudes discuss it openly within the context of mental health, and engage in a conversation about it. I’m so grateful for the vulnerability that you three have chosen to share not only with each other but also with everyone who listens to this episode. This meant a lot to me. I truly believe that you are accomplishing exactly what you set out to accomplish with this podcast, and this episode is a solid example of that.
Honestly, this is possibly one of the best podcasts I've listened too. I can not tell you how much listening to you guys honestly talk about your mental health and struggles means. As another 30-something professional who grew up with TH-cam, it means the world for you guys to talk about things I struggle with as well. It really makes me feel like I'm not alone. You always know that other people struggle, but it really helps when people you grew up watching share their own experiences. The episode is fantastic. You guys are funny, relatable, and genuine. I can't believe I haven't listened to this podcast before. Thanks guys! ❤❤
Jordan talking about working through the illusion that your parent could fix everything killed me. I’m 29 and I lost my mom in 2021. She was my hero and was JUST like that, she always had an answer, always knew who to call or what needed done, and in the time she’s been gone there have been so many situations where I find myself desperately wishing she was here and could tell me what to do. Then I realize that obviously she wasn’t magic, just solution oriented and good at faking it until she made it, and maybe I can learn to be that way too.
Y'all's voices are so lovely and relaxing it has taken me four times to listen to this whole thing because I kept falling asleep. And I am so glad I did. Your vulnerability and presence with each other is really, truly, healing and beautiful to watch. Thank you for always being you, Jarvis (especially because I've been watching your stuff for years).
It's such a scary time in America for trans people like myself right now, and hearing you guys just casually being supportive in conversation means so much. Having a platform as big as you guys do and deciding to use it in such a positive way gives me so much hope. Thanks Jarvis, Jordan, and Sean. You guys are seriously making the world a better place with your content.
i don't usually comment on podcast episodes, but i really enjoyed this. I think jarvis and jordan are really great hosts but jarvis in particular shines whenever there's a guest
Fun fact: Austin Powers did sing a song in Goldmember! He performed "Daddy Wasn't There" as part of the fake 60s band Ming Tea, who also did a few other songs.
I remember finding Jack through a Mirror Edge playthrough. Just randomly looking about, and of course, my young brain liked the energy of it. It felt genuine and exciting. As I've gotten older, I've found myself enjoying just Sean more. Just the person himself.
It’s just nice to hear someone who’s so popular and famous like Jack talk about how easy it is to simply be open and kind to lgbtq people, and supporting them. I love that man :)❤
as someone who enjoys jack and has been a big part of my life, its always nice for him to be open. i struggle with mental health, and the past couple of years, i have been able to learn to love and be happy with myself. sure i have my down days, but overall, im happy and have learnt to be happy with who i am and love me for me a great episode boyz, it was so fun to see Sean on here
I am not usually a big podcast listener, but this is one of the few that I’ve found genuinely enjoyable! I loved hearing your conversations about ADHD, the complexities of others’ lives, stoicism and comparing yourself to people you see because that’s something I think about a lot, but I don’t have anyone to talk to about those things. I also have ADHD and hearing other ADHDers talk about it when I can’t, heals that part of me that can’t express all I want to tell people. I really appreciate this episode and will definitely be listening in more :)
The mental health shit is so real - as a teenager who's been suicidal for long periods of time, shows that romanticise it make me not want to get help. They made me feel like being suicidal was like the end goal. Not cool.
There is something very healing to see three men talking about why shit like 13 Reasons Why is harmful and garbage. I have PTSD from SA and a friend I trusted told me to watch it and I ended up having to deal with fairly severe panic attacks from it - alongside being told that I'm being 'too sensitive' and 'too dramatic' by people in my life.
not to sound parasocial or anything, but these three guys have genuinely helped me through so much. it’s so nice hearing men open up about their emotions and normalize discussions of mental health. as a trans man, it’s been hard for me to accept the parts of my personality that society deems “feminine” or “unmanly,” such and my sensitivity, struggles with mental health, or even just some of my interests. these guys are nothing but pure, kind, and good souls. the world needs more Seáns, Jarvis’, and Jordans
Thank you 3 so much for talking about mental health so openly. As someone struggling with mental health myself, I think it's so important that people, especially people with a platform as big as all of you combined, keep talking about it. Thank you so much for this episode!!
man, this episode was just so deep I love it. i really appreciate you guys having such interesting and nuanced discussions, it's really cool to see how open you all are to these topics. great episode as always!
as someone who lived through the Phan and 1direction/Larry yeah i am never going to ship real people like No we're not doing that shit it ruins friendships and harms people's mental health and creates a real space of fear and stress for people like, as much as i would Love to see my faves in happy relationships and being cute, im not gonna sit around writing ff about it or telling them to their faces, ew, creepy, weird
Brexit mention made me laugh so much, this dynamic was so refreshing! Always love this podcast, Sean talking about all that he did but especially the idea of being too big for your boots is so real. Jarvis talking about raising himself though and how he developed himself in that time was fascinating too, always great to hear about Jarvis and Jordan’s experiences and life
Never seen you guys until seeing this episode and the emotional intelligence and just quenching conversation was amazing. Loved this 🥰 Will be checking out more of you guys!!
When I read No Longer Human by Dazai Osamu, it was the first time I felt like I was reading my own thoughts written by someone else. His perception of other people and ~SoCiEtY~ so deeply mirror my own, but he lived in a time and culture with no sympathy for the mentally ill and no real ways to help him. It changed my perception of the resources we have today, though it would be terribly triggering for many to know his story and read the way he talked about himself. He passed away 75 years ago this month, but his struggle is timeless in its relatability.
Every episode of this podcast where you talk about mental health struggles (especially relating to depression / anxiety / adhd) I’m like oh! I’m not alone!!!! Good news for me personally, just today I restarted my depression meds after not having them during Covid!!! Hopefully I’ll improve 🎉
i cant name a better OG TH-camr glowup… i rly like how jacksepticeye/shaun seems in this video… like a mature adult working on themselves to better their life and others’ ❤ i respect that
I think the fear of being annoying is common among those with ADHD. I could be wrong but I think it's maybe from consciously having to mask growing up and then when you finally let your guard down and just are yourself and get a less than enthusiastic response it brings back a flood feelings. For me it brings back the feeling of being a little kid in school being so excited about something and then being told that I was being disrespectful and disruptive when all I was doing was being myself. It still makes me sad for little Kayla.
As someone who studies family systems and attachment, it's soooo great to see them talking about how their childhood experiences impacted how they behave as adults and how they're working on it. Because, as Jarvis brought up with CBT, all those roles like "the one who tried to solve the problems" "the one who used humor" etc have names and research as well. Both therapy and academic research can be super inaccessible, but having creators talking in an informed way gets this information to more people.
Love Jarvis's book rec. CBT changed my life so much. I didn't believe I could actually change my thoughts but over time with practice, I really do think differently now and have a lot more inner peace.
The show 13 reasons why literally CHANGED the method of s**cide from the book (in which she used medication) to something WAY more graphic on purpose for the show. Also, she used an unrealistic method which rarely leads to actual death. Not sure if that's a good or bad thing. (not sure if I shoulda censored that word but I did just to be safe lol)
I love when he said, "I finally got *actually* honest about things" about being in therapy. It's really hard to tell anyone how you're truly feeling. For a long time I'd express frustration about an event to coworkers or friends, but it was a very surface level emotion and we've trained ourselves to talk about that kind of "safe" dissatisfaction, which is not really that productive at a broader level. You can express it, certainly, but it's not enough on its own. And yeah context matters, don't trauma dump on random people. I recently had my first truly honest emotional breakdown in therapy and it was really hard but really rewarding. Sometimes it takes that to actually realize what you're feeling. You try to give a half truth, something "safe" and instead you end up completely breaking down which might be what it takes to realize the depth of the impact that trauma or that feeling is having on you. It takes time to build up a relationship with your therapist (or anyone) to the point where you can do that, but if you're able to it matters a great deal.
After some googling, I think I know what the censored line from The Idol they referenced is. Not gonna type it out because YIKES, but adding "Epstein" to your search will pull it up immediately. Also probably tells you enough up front.
its something about jeffery epstein 😭 Its a rlly horrendous quote if u find a video about the idol episode 3 they will for sure say the whole quote in there
@emelybatista4373 ew I can already tell the vibes of what that is and it's completely pointless to even know honestly pervert crap is just pervert crap it doesn't even mean anything
@emelybatista4373 I'm so glad people are hating the idol and Sam Levinson now I felt like I was crazy being the only one who didn't think he was great
i believe he’s talking about the line where they say “i’m f****** sh****** more bl**d than a kid at epst*in island” lots of censors to avoid getting banned
Thanks for having me on boyz! I had a great time :)
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it was super cool to see you on here man
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This episode is like having your childhood friends meet your college group.
And they get along! 😮😅😊
I couldn't find the words to describe how this collab felt, and this hit the nail on the head!!
I love that whenever a “British Joke” comes up, Jarvis starts laughing a couple seconds late and looks around in fear.
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Super fun how The Idol's showrunner was originally a woman (Amy Seimetz), who they then fired because the Weeknd thought the show focused too much on the "female perspective". And then they scrapped the entire show and brought in Sam so the two of them could make their sick fantasies in film version.
On a lighter note it's so great to see Sean on here! Had a blast listening (as always) even if it was just me going "Right???!" while you ripped these shows apart.
They scrapped 75 MILLION DOLLARS worth of writing and filming and i genuinely don’t think I could even hate watch this show
@@ThatCrazyBookWyrm finding out his name is SEÁN of all things is missing with me. before i saw this podcast i knew two things: this man was our most famous YTer (or, after seeng the title: after Clisare), and his name is jack. my world view has been forever changed. his name is JOHN wtf
We should all be watching Daisy Jones instead of that bvllshit
theWknd literally brought in Hollywoods fav creeper to direct, with a fuccin feature film budget, what is essentially an extended music video.
ABSOLUTELY UNEXPECTED AND SO INCREDIBLE
THE WORLDS HAVE INDEED COLLIDED IN SUCH AN AMAZING WAY
Straight up thought i had a stroke holy shit
IKRR
i am so happy rn
the whole era of shipping people together on the internet (specifically two guys) is partially the outcome of no one having proper representation of queer relationships in media growing up and not understanding how to be appropriate about things. so uncomfortable all because no one was properly educated about things that should be normal
I notice it’s still an issue in the kpop community and it’s always so bizarre to see. It kinda feels like it’s an issue the internet should’ve grown past but it still crops up in K-pop ( and Minecraft) communities that I feel like are pretty queer and should be aware of the creepiness
@@SmatterCloudsit’s also often younger teens and kids who probably shouldn’t be interacting with the internet in that way. as someone who used to be a part of that side of fandom at that age (i’m an adult now), i cringe so hard at that behavior.
@@SmatterCloudsas a kpop fan i agree,,, it’s interesting bc unlike in american culture men there seem to be way more physically affectionate so i think most people see that and immediately think gay
@@SmatterClouds no definitely.. and it becomes even worse when its mainly women doing it😭
@@SmatterCloudsespecially since it’s almost encouraged sometimes for members to give fanservice and play up the relationship for publicity sake. But it’s absolutely not okay for someone to be TRULY gay. They can only play pretend and queerbait for laughs or the attention ships garner.
i really enjoy the discussion of ezra millers pronouns and then continuing to call them a bad person. its so childish when people are like "ur cringe so im misgendering you forever" and im just glad that we dont take away who someone is despite them being a pos
Yah, funny enough during, or before this video I got an ad about some Candace owens looking woman, misgendeirng and tlaking about Ezra, like yes, they suck but it’s not hard to say they
@@HamiltonIsLife Ezra has assaulted people and groomed minors (which means probably even worse things that I won't say out loud here) and should be in prison. You guys are downplaying it. It goes far beyond "you're cringe" or "they suck."
@@rebeccahicks2392 yeah i agree with you, i dont think ezra is just a "pos" they did some horrible shit
To be absolutely sincere, nobody is obligated to gaf about a criminals gender identity. “Who they are” is a criminal, that’s the identity they’ve made most prominent for themselves. If someone is talking about them and says “he” you realize how dumb it is to point that out given the circumstances right?
@@Maya-Haydenbeing a bad person doesnt take away your right to an identity though
god i used to be SUCH a huge jacksepticeye fan when letsplays were huge, its such a delight seeing him with y'all and listening to him talk about such interesting stuff!!!
His newer stuff is really good! he's been playing Nancy Drew with his gf on her channel and it's a DELIGHT
@@brittanybarkhousejackson4934i love her channel! her totk playthrough has been a nice comfort series :)
@@gargles5270 this makes me want to see Gab on the Sad Boyz podcast now!
@@isabelrose3161 that would be so cool. I don't often get to catch her streams where she just chats. I'd love to have some of that in podcast form.
@@ontheturningaway so, why are you here ?
I DIED when Jack brought up Lost and the boys immediately bent over and started making weird noises and we didn’t know why yet😂 they were so excited!
Yo Jarvis, this was the word on the tip of your tongue.
Sonder (noun) - The profound feeling of realizing that everyone, including strangers passed in the street, has a life as complex as one's own, which they are constantly living despite one's personal lack of awareness of it.
Aka the post I’ve seen approximately 1000000 times over the course of 15 years on tumblr, Pinterest, instagram, Reddit….
@@maddieb.4282hat was the point of this comment lmaoao like ok?¿ yes the post is old, doesn’t mean everybody knows the word 😭
i never knew there was a name for that feeling. i love language
It's an entirely made up word that someone created on their own for their "Dictionary of Obscure Sorrows." It has no actual etymological history.
@@Prae7orian all words are made up. get owned /j
being serious, i'd accept it as a 'legit' word, all names started obscure and were made up one day
love sad boys jordan wasnt kidding guest list is crazy these last 2 weeks
Sadboyz is amazing because they always know a guy who knows a guy, and sometimes, that guy is Jacksepticeye
Yup yup yup, it does get worse before it gets better. Took me six years to report the guy who assaulted me and my god, the stress during that process was near impossible to cope with. But it’s done now, and I feel much more equipped to move on. Much love to all of you. Life sucks, but we can keep going and create our own meanings above our circumstances. :-)
I’m so proud of you for getting through that
God, it's been almost 2 years since leaving a sexually abusive relationship and I feel bad for not going to therapy yet for it when ik I'm not just gonna be ok after that, but ugh it sucks ass
@@Official_Nigel_Simp
there’s no one path to recovery ❤️🩹
Maybe you’ll feel like therapy is the move one day, and you’re always allowed to change your mind. Other than those directly involved at the time, I had never had the opportunity to share my entire story until earlier this year when reporting. It sucked beyond what words can describe lol. Lost SO much sleep, but reaching that personal goal of mine was so freeing. Even if nothing comes out of it, I felt as though the ‘situation’ was finally taken out of my hands. I did the thing I wished I had done for myself sooner. You might want something different, and that’s okay. I do encourage you to take a peek at your local resource centers for SA survivors. There are people who dedicate their careers to make sure that people like us can get access to free counseling, coaching, or (the most impactful thing for me personally) just being there with you to help navigate some pretty overwhelming legal processes.
You’re not a burden on anyone. You deserve to heal too. Just gotta be patient with yourself in the meantime.
ahhh that’s amazing im so happy for you!!! proud of you, hope you’re doing well ❤
@@Official_Nigel_Simpno need to “feel bad” for anything. recovery isn’t linear, and remember everybody heals differently, you should go whenever you feel ready ❤
about the shipping real people/youtubers part - one of the things too is that when that was very popular, a lot of us (as i am unfortunately guilty) were literal children. like 13-15 age. and as a person that age you just don't understand the repercussions and nuance of what you're doing; to you, the youtubers are as real as fictional characters and you don't understand the potential harm of your actions. as i (and many others) have grown, i have realized the detriment in that and like you guys said, learned from it and moved on from it. i would never again participate in that. at that point in my life i didn't even understand the concept of boundaries at all 😭 so i'm very glad to have grown and learned from that 💗
It's nice to see someone correctly pointing out that 13-15 year olds are children and nowhere near fully developed. I get very tired of high schoolers getting mad at me for not wanting to interact with them or even, god forbid, allow them into mature spaces. yall, you're not mature. at all.
I agree. I was very heavily involved in the JSE markiplier fandom, and luckily didn’t take part in shipping really but I did write fanfiction. And when I turned about 18 I started to feel really weirded out about it. I started to realize the boundaries and moved on from it. I hope younger kids now can hopefully get it a little sooner than us and learn from our mistakes.
The boundaries are there and I hope younger kids now can learn from the mistakes.
I too am guilty of the shipping madness of the early 2010s as a teenager and I realize later on in life (late 20s) how creepy and wrong it really was.
there should be more awareness of how that stuff violates a boundary when applied to ppl like that (unless they openly endorse it, which is rare but not unheard of... and possibly even weirder tbh...), but it does make me laugh that ppl talk about it as if it's made by a bunch of fully grown adult pervs when it's just little kids making their dollies kiss, lmao
is it weird that ur dollies were real human beings? obviously, but thats just the culture around u. kids from the 80s and 90s didnt get all of their embarrassing celeb crush talk crystallized in a digital archive for the actual adult world to gawk at, they got it out of their system and laugh about it in hindsight at high school reunions or w/e. growing up online is f-cked, i genuinely wish we could divide the internet by age group somehow - for everyone's sake. our social spaces are wayyy too cross-contaminated
people still do it though, adults still have that mentality that it's okay to ship real people or sexualize and actor just because a character they play is hot
This is why I'm a fan of Sean. He willingly owns that he's fucked up in the past and he talks about it, he also has learned from his mistakes and has grown into a fantastic role model. Never watched this channel before but these guys are great. Really glad I'm here.
I’m (26) the sole caregiver for my 61-year-old mother who was just diagnosed with dementia. Hearing Jordan talk about things with his mom made me feel less alone on a day I really needed it. As always, this podcast is pure gold.
my nightly routine for like the past month has been a mix of jack’s vids as well as these podcast eps. this is the best crossover ever
Same! I’ve been watching jacks “unpacking” video for like a week straight to fall asleep and the sad boyz the whole month before!
Wasn't expecting this one to smack me with the feels!! Jordan, my mom was just diagnosed with dementia as a result of having strokes as well. It's been difficult. Even more so on my younger brothers, because they've been her primary caregivers since I live in another state halfway across the US. We're 24 and 26 respectively, so being so young and having to decide on things like assisted living and home care for her has been heart wrenching and incredibly difficult. Anyway I really appreciate you talking about it, as sad as it is I'm glad to feel like I'm not the only one dealing with this kind of stuff.
You both are so young, and I cant imagine having to make such a big decision and stepping into a role with so much responsibility so young. I can only wish you well and hope you and your brothers can help each other the best you can. Never feel like you can't rely on others to help! My aunt was diagnosed just at the tail-end of her fourties, and it's devastating to watch, especially when she herself is so young, but sometimes you just need to turn away for a bit to collect yourself. I hope you're able to take care of yourself as well as your mom; all the best to you and your family 💕
Same here (I’m 26, only child/caregiver, mom is 61). We’re not alone and we can make it through this 💕
I’m sorry you guys are having to deal with that. That’s got to be so difficult
Sending so much love to you & your family 💕
"You're the first love of your life" I like that quote. It makes me want to care for myself which is always hard. Thank you 3 for being so open about mental health. It helps destigmatize it that much more.
As a fellow member of the ADHD/Anxiety/Depression gauntlet club, I just wanted to say how much I appreciate you all talking about your mental health. It's honestly so comforting to have people I admire who also deal with the same stuff that I do. I've been really going through it for almost a year now, and this podcast has been a real safe haven for me. (I would say how funny it is that so many of your friends/guests also have adhd but we do genuinely tend to attract each other, lol.)
Obviously I'd rather that you weren't struggling at all! But I really appreciate the candidness, it makes me feel very seen and makes my experiences much less isolating ❤️
Hearing Sean talk about his mental health journey has also made me think that like,, maybe I should try therapy again? I had a few really bad experiences with therapists (last one was particularly rough) and I kind of swore it off for myself. But idk, maybe one day I can actually meet someone who can help? I do a decent enough job on my own, but it's exhausting to be your own therapists, and I know there's blind spots I have to be missing. I know therapy is super helpful, don't get me wrong, I just didn't find much success with it. But maybe it's time to try again.
@@ThatCrazyBookWyrmI'm in a similar spot rn and just wanted to say, I hear ya, I feel ya. It's so tiring trying to find a therapist that fits, and having bad experiences can really knock you back. We'll get there 👍
I feel that too. I looked up the symptoms for adhd and I fit the description so I can relate to you.
I saw Sean at Vidcon one year and he was so dynamic and honestly just cool. He talked about depression and emotions and I think he's a great fit here!
“tumblr’s lack of relevance as a platform” is so funny cause tumblr is where a lot of the redditor’s on strike are at rn, so tumblr is very busy atm
that unfortunately validates why i never wanted to be on tumblr lol because i hate reddit and don't want to be around wherever they're going next. godspeed to tumblr users who have to deal with them
@@Rambertaas a Tumblr user a lot of reddit users I've seen have been rlly chill ppl
the jarvis lore made me want to cry
"The Idol" sounds like someone heard about all the shit Alfred Hitchcock did to Tippi Hedren and thought, "Wow, what a genius man, I should make a show like this."
GENUINELY though, I was talking to a friend about this recently.
God i remember my septipliar phase, i was nine and had a yaoi phase of fetishizing gay man before i realized i was a trans man 💀 eventually i did learn it's not okay to ship real people, and even people that allow that to happen like some minecraft youtubers are doing something inherently harmful because they curate this culture of objectifying people and violated boundaries of others.
The pipeline of shipping and yaoi to chastising yourself for fetishising gay men to realising that you just wanted to be a man in a relationship with another man.
I also went through the phan and septiplier phase from when I was 9. Tumblr really fostered unhealthy roadblocks to understanding ourselves from such a young age. Such is the internet.
@@aliamcbride all I'm learning is that Tumblr, in its prime, was so much worse than people give it credit for
The Yaoi phrase to Queer+/Trans pipeline is really prevalent, especially among AFAB. Trust me, been there and now I’m a bisexual.
And yet the best Irish youtuber.
these episodes are so relaxing and single-handedly restoring my faith in men y’all have such good vibes
Same
I've noticed a big push for stoicism lately particularly on social media, and I'm glad people are talking more about mental health, but I would also just like to quickly add that like any philosophy it's not without criticism. I can see Sean's a very humble and thoughtful person so none of this is meant as an attack on him, I think it's wonderful someone with his platform can encourage this kind of self reflection and vulnerability.
I would say for the sake of recognising all sides of a discussion that taking the position 'the world isn't evil or out to get you', whilst true for many and a healthy tool to combat anxiety, unfortunately is not an absolute. For some people, the world really is against them in an inherently unjust way, for reasons entirely out of their individual control. Without widespread systemic societal change, internal reflection and meditation won't meaningfully improve the lives of marginalised groups. Of course stoicism has many benefits and I'm by no means saying it's wrong to find comfort in it, but it's also important to remember the limitations. If anyone is interested the channel Philosophy Tube laid out these points far better than I can articulate here, so I would strongly reccomend checking out their video on stoicism for a more thorough discussion of the pros and cons.
Stay kind to each other and yourselves ❤
When Jack said “you are the first love of your life” 😢❤ idk why that hit me so hard
It was so validating hearing Jarvis talk about his relationship with adults in his life and how he had to raise himself from a young age. I lost my dad to self-unaliving at 18 and, as someone who forces myself to be as emotionally and functionally independent as possible, it felt like my childhood and everything I knew was ripped away from me and my entire worldview crumbled. I've had family, but it feels like I've been alone, raising myself and healing my inner child with a chunk of my heart missing. It feels like family and even my mom can't provide for me the guidance I still need because they're too busy taking care of themselves (and barely functioning because of their severe ADHD), so it feels like I'm all alone, completely lost and having to find my own way to some sort of stability or financial independence, while treating my own physical and mental health disabilities and taking college classes.
So your dad committed suicide damn I’m sorry to hear that. I’m currently going through the same thing with my mom killing her self. Jarvis is a good one to listen to for advice.
@tmac-hd8nb I'm so sorry for your loss love. We'll make it through this 💖❤️🩹
stoicism goes dangerously through the territory of "i am only responsible for how i react to what others do" and uses such excuses towards bigotry. with a thought of only feeling responsible for yourself, it can lead to not seeing how you can become responsible for others, even unintentionally. it tends to give the willful ignorant a voice that says "i dont get it so i dont care"
Yeah I've personally only seen stoicism only used by people who want to impress on others there's no such thing as racism or sexism or transphobia. Like hardline individualists. Where as for me, learning to exist within a society and act as a healthy member of any group, reparenting has been much more useful to process emotions and let go of primary anxieties.
I feel stoicism is ptsd/trauma before psychology gave it a term. And I can see lots of parallels like getting withdrawn when you "lose control of the outside world and only stay within your bubble"
A quick google search shows you're gay and have no idea what you're talking about
Which ironically historically stoicism practitioners believed in “citizens of the world” or everyone being equal and social justice
Stoicism is a good building block for learning about psychology/philosophy but not really actualising therapy for yourself. There are definitely quotes by Marcus Aurelius that are profound, especially for the time they were written. But they were also in their infancy of understanding. I have the book Meditations by him, it's very interesting. There's also a lot of nonsense in there because of the time it was written that if you can't differentiate for yourself can easily lead you down an Andrew Tate path.
seeing the guy I basically grew up watching collabing with one of my favorite channels now is so cool to see :>
My family doesn’t believe anxiety/depression is real and tells me it’s my fault for not handling stress well and that I need to suck it up. So it’s really comforting to hear you guys be so open about mental health. Thanks ❤
The way you guys talk about mental health and are so vulnerable about the things you've gone through is so important and so valuable, and takes so much courage. It is so genuinely appreciated.
The mention of 13 reasons why sent me. I read the book in high school and the show absolutely destroyed the story. Them choosing to switch the way the sewer slide happened to be more graphic just to have shock value took away from those final moments as they’re described in the book. The choice to make up a whole second season based off a school shooter that didn’t happen in the book was trash. They 100% made that show with intent to romanticize self harm and violent behavior
Side Ass in this episode fire as always!!!
Really loved how the conversation just kept flowing with this one, it could have gone on even longer for me
jack talking about how ppl destroyed his boisterous personality by constantly criticizing him for it and jarvis looking at the camera when he says "i know what you mean" like forreal (also cause i'm high as balls) spoke directly to me as a fellow adhd haver it's honestly almost funny how every other adhd kid experienced that but funny in the wow that's crazy way
It's honestly amazing to see three guys being so open and honest about their feelings and troubles. Y'all are fantastic.
its crazy how every time i watch a sad boyz episode one of yall says something about your mental health experiences and i find it so deeply relatable that i should probably talk to a psychiatrist about it
The 13 Reasons book was ACTUALLY a good conversation starter. I feel so bad that Jay had his book fucking eviscerated by the production team.
Wasn’t he a sexual abuser though
I read the book and thought the concept itself gives an icky feeling
BLESS YOU JARVIS FOR RSS PATREON PODCASTS 😭🙏🏻 the Patreon mobile app player sucks, I’m so upset you didn’t get the chance to improve it.
patreon app hurts my spirit 😢
sean is such a sweet genuine person i love him
I can relate so much to Jarvis. My dad died when I was 12 after being sick for a long time, my mom was working constantly so I cared for myself a lot, and my sibling and I were homeschooled without any of the actual schooling. It's a weird mix of isolation, maturing, reverting, and mimicking others that made up my life and I find myself constantly going back into my 12 year old mindset as an adult.
At 1:27:13 This really spoke to me, also in Australia we call this 'tall poppy syndrome' where people pull down anyone deemed too successful or confident.
1:43:27 sonder: the realization that each random passerby is living a life as vivid and complex as your own.
lol i was gonna comments this too
I always find separating art from the artist difficult. In theory, I'm totally ok with that, especially for writers where it's not immediately noticeable (pirate their stuff, but still), but in so many cases once you find out their bad thing, you notice things in their story writing.
Harry potter has, for example, people being unable to change the consequences of their birth, with things like squibs relegated to a life on the sidelines and Voldemort being born of a love potion and so cannot feel emotion and turns evil.
A lot of the fear in Lovecraft can be drawn from his fear of the other, weird looking people from weird sounding places, society changing subtly and the horror of it.
Personally i just think you have to be upfront about it.
Lovecraftian stories are awesome, but he was a massive racist and that comes out in his writing. Harry potter is foundational for a lot of my generation, but she's a pretty racist transphobe.
I also feel like “separate the art from the artist” has lost its meaning because it isn’t used as like “we can still appreciate the art on its own without supporting the artist” (which is how it’s supposed to be) and used more like “I don’t actually care about the bad things these artists are doing I just wanna like what I like”
I absolutely agree with the point that the things artists believe often show up in their works, and H.P Lovecraft and J.K Rowling are fantastic examples of this. Art is an extension of the artist, artists combine their life experiences and ideologies into a work that expresses those things and of course if they have bad ideologies those are going to show up in their work. I don’t think it’s wrong to enjoy works that have those sort of beliefs in it, as long as you don’t support those beliefs and can think critically for yourself about the harm those beliefs can cause.
Moving back to how separate the art from the artist is used, I feel like many people, especially online, really attach themselves to artists or works of art they enjoy and it can be hard to accept when something they love can be really harmful. People understand that what the artist is doing is incredibly wrong, but something they can’t accept is the idea of letting go of something they enjoyed. So, many times they look for excuses to continue to support the art and that’s where our shiny golden star “separate the art from the artist” comes in. They don’t actually care about what separate the art from the artist means, they just want to continue to enjoy what they want without having to think critically about the work or think about how them continuing to support the art still benefits the artist.
@@bigbowlofspaghetti oh yeah, when I say it, I definitely mean eg, I still want to enjoy rereading Harry potter, but I refuse to buy anything new from her.
yoooo that was an unexpected (yet welcome) collab
you guys talking about motivation and wanting other people's energies was the most real thing i've ever felt from content creators, thank you
Honestly man i really appreciate this podcast because of your openness with mental health, its validating and feels nice to see people so willing to talk about it
This isn't following the trend of diversity in casts but on the topic of shows being more to the point and being able to convey what they want, Succession ending in just four seasons and feeling like a finished product is always a good feeling because... yeah, The Sopranos could've done without a couple of those seasons even if I did like them on the first watch.
Jarvis talking about his mom made me want to cry
I need to tell my mom I love her even more
On a joking note
Stoicism is all fun and games until you start crying unprovoked because you have no emotional regulation
“You can only control how you react” my ass
20:01 their excitement in pulling out the game and Jack's confusion 🤣🤣
This was great. Seán is one of my favorite creators. You all discussed so many great really relatable topics. As a non-binary person I am always appreciative of a conversation about respecting someone's identity even if they are not a very respectable person, so thank you for that. I was one of those people for awhile who felt podcasts were boring and never really listened to them. But Brainleak and now this channel are totally changing my mind on that. 🙂
speaking of The Idol, one of blackpink's members Jennie, made her acting debut on The Idol, and I feel so bad for her 😭😭😭
Man it's always so just... validating hearing y'all talk about adhd, because it's just exactly how life has been like for me and how I've always struggled. It just is nice to hear that I'm not the only one.
Gotta say ive never interacted w jacksepticeye's content beyond maybe overhearing a lets play my friends younger sister was watching, but wow what a great episode! Such an insightful dude, love u guys
didnt expect that they would talk abt 13 reasons why but i knew the show would be a horrible disaster because i had read the book in middle school while i was suicidal and it absolutely made me so much worse because it constantly reinforces why most people commit suicide especially at that age, a desire to be seen and heard, so the books whole plot being all of these people being forced to see and hear her was like wow if she could do it so can i
this was so unexpected but probably one of my fav eps of my the pod :) this came up after i was suggested to get therapy by a doctor and i appreciated you all talking about your experiences
This was such a fantastic episode of my favorite podcast. Thanks for sharing this, dudes. My favorite part is around 1:30:00, when Sean mentions that his therapist suggested to him the idea that we all have more than one “age” inside us, a metaphorical adult age and a metaphorical child age. Sean asks Jordan and Jarvis to guess the ages of each others’ inner child. It is so meaningful to me as a consumer of this podcast to see that concept normalized. Through my therapy journey, I’ve spent several years learning about and trying to feel comfortable with this idea of an inner child. I feel ashamed of it. It’s deeply comforting to hear a group of dudes discuss it openly within the context of mental health, and engage in a conversation about it. I’m so grateful for the vulnerability that you three have chosen to share not only with each other but also with everyone who listens to this episode. This meant a lot to me. I truly believe that you are accomplishing exactly what you set out to accomplish with this podcast, and this episode is a solid example of that.
the past few episodes i've caught myself thinking about how cool it would be for sean to come on and now here we are. magnificent
Honestly, this is possibly one of the best podcasts I've listened too. I can not tell you how much listening to you guys honestly talk about your mental health and struggles means. As another 30-something professional who grew up with TH-cam, it means the world for you guys to talk about things I struggle with as well. It really makes me feel like I'm not alone. You always know that other people struggle, but it really helps when people you grew up watching share their own experiences.
The episode is fantastic. You guys are funny, relatable, and genuine. I can't believe I haven't listened to this podcast before.
Thanks guys! ❤❤
the flow of your guys' conversation was so fun! always excited but giving each other space to finish thoughts
Jordan talking about working through the illusion that your parent could fix everything killed me. I’m 29 and I lost my mom in 2021. She was my hero and was JUST like that, she always had an answer, always knew who to call or what needed done, and in the time she’s been gone there have been so many situations where I find myself desperately wishing she was here and could tell me what to do. Then I realize that obviously she wasn’t magic, just solution oriented and good at faking it until she made it, and maybe I can learn to be that way too.
Y'all's voices are so lovely and relaxing it has taken me four times to listen to this whole thing because I kept falling asleep. And I am so glad I did. Your vulnerability and presence with each other is really, truly, healing and beautiful to watch. Thank you for always being you, Jarvis (especially because I've been watching your stuff for years).
It's such a scary time in America for trans people like myself right now, and hearing you guys just casually being supportive in conversation means so much. Having a platform as big as you guys do and deciding to use it in such a positive way gives me so much hope. Thanks Jarvis, Jordan, and Sean. You guys are seriously making the world a better place with your content.
i don't usually comment on podcast episodes, but i really enjoyed this. I think jarvis and jordan are really great hosts but jarvis in particular shines whenever there's a guest
Fun fact: Austin Powers did sing a song in Goldmember! He performed "Daddy Wasn't There" as part of the fake 60s band Ming Tea, who also did a few other songs.
I remember finding Jack through a Mirror Edge playthrough. Just randomly looking about, and of course, my young brain liked the energy of it. It felt genuine and exciting. As I've gotten older, I've found myself enjoying just Sean more. Just the person himself.
It’s just nice to hear someone who’s so popular and famous like Jack talk about how easy it is to simply be open and kind to lgbtq people, and supporting them. I love that man :)❤
Having to endure a party with Aussie Powers should be classed as a method of torture.
as someone who enjoys jack and has been a big part of my life, its always nice for him to be open. i struggle with mental health, and the past couple of years, i have been able to learn to love and be happy with myself. sure i have my down days, but overall, im happy and have learnt to be happy with who i am and love me for me
a great episode boyz, it was so fun to see Sean on here
Jarvis crossovers are on fire this year
guest list really is going crazy!
To be fair, I have never had any interest in Lost until you guys have been talking about it. I don't watch a lot of tv but I might give Lost a go.
I am not usually a big podcast listener, but this is one of the few that I’ve found genuinely enjoyable!
I loved hearing your conversations about ADHD, the complexities of others’ lives, stoicism and comparing yourself to people you see because that’s something I think about a lot, but I don’t have anyone to talk to about those things. I also have ADHD and hearing other ADHDers talk about it when I can’t, heals that part of me that can’t express all I want to tell people. I really appreciate this episode and will definitely be listening in more :)
The mental health shit is so real - as a teenager who's been suicidal for long periods of time, shows that romanticise it make me not want to get help. They made me feel like being suicidal was like the end goal. Not cool.
There is something very healing to see three men talking about why shit like 13 Reasons Why is harmful and garbage. I have PTSD from SA and a friend I trusted told me to watch it and I ended up having to deal with fairly severe panic attacks from it - alongside being told that I'm being 'too sensitive' and 'too dramatic' by people in my life.
not to sound parasocial or anything, but these three guys have genuinely helped me through so much. it’s so nice hearing men open up about their emotions and normalize discussions of mental health. as a trans man, it’s been hard for me to accept the parts of my personality that society deems “feminine” or “unmanly,” such and my sensitivity, struggles with mental health, or even just some of my interests. these guys are nothing but pure, kind, and good souls. the world needs more Seáns, Jarvis’, and Jordans
Thank you 3 so much for talking about mental health so openly. As someone struggling with mental health myself, I think it's so important that people, especially people with a platform as big as all of you combined, keep talking about it. Thank you so much for this episode!!
man, this episode was just so deep I love it. i really appreciate you guys having such interesting and nuanced discussions, it's really cool to see how open you all are to these topics. great episode as always!
THE DREAM COLLAB I HAD NEVER EVEN THOUGHT OF
as someone who lived through the Phan and 1direction/Larry yeah i am never going to ship real people like No we're not doing that shit it ruins friendships and harms people's mental health and creates a real space of fear and stress for people like, as much as i would Love to see my faves in happy relationships and being cute, im not gonna sit around writing ff about it or telling them to their faces, ew, creepy, weird
Brexit mention made me laugh so much, this dynamic was so refreshing! Always love this podcast, Sean talking about all that he did but especially the idea of being too big for your boots is so real. Jarvis talking about raising himself though and how he developed himself in that time was fascinating too, always great to hear about Jarvis and Jordan’s experiences and life
Never seen you guys until seeing this episode and the emotional intelligence and just quenching conversation was amazing. Loved this 🥰 Will be checking out more of you guys!!
When I read No Longer Human by Dazai Osamu, it was the first time I felt like I was reading my own thoughts written by someone else. His perception of other people and ~SoCiEtY~ so deeply mirror my own, but he lived in a time and culture with no sympathy for the mentally ill and no real ways to help him. It changed my perception of the resources we have today, though it would be terribly triggering for many to know his story and read the way he talked about himself. He passed away 75 years ago this month, but his struggle is timeless in its relatability.
Every episode of this podcast where you talk about mental health struggles (especially relating to depression / anxiety / adhd) I’m like oh! I’m not alone!!!!
Good news for me personally, just today I restarted my depression meds after not having them during Covid!!! Hopefully I’ll improve 🎉
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definitely needed to hear a lot of what was talked about in this one. thank you guys
i cant name a better OG TH-camr glowup… i rly like how jacksepticeye/shaun seems in this video… like a mature adult working on themselves to better their life and others’ ❤ i respect that
this was my favourite episode yet, the conversations were so good and flowed so nicely
this episode is slept on but I am happy that I found it
I think the fear of being annoying is common among those with ADHD. I could be wrong but I think it's maybe from consciously having to mask growing up and then when you finally let your guard down and just are yourself and get a less than enthusiastic response it brings back a flood feelings. For me it brings back the feeling of being a little kid in school being so excited about something and then being told that I was being disrespectful and disruptive when all I was doing was being myself. It still makes me sad for little Kayla.
This is entirely unexpected but I’m excited to watch!
As someone who studies family systems and attachment, it's soooo great to see them talking about how their childhood experiences impacted how they behave as adults and how they're working on it. Because, as Jarvis brought up with CBT, all those roles like "the one who tried to solve the problems" "the one who used humor" etc have names and research as well. Both therapy and academic research can be super inaccessible, but having creators talking in an informed way gets this information to more people.
Love Jarvis's book rec. CBT changed my life so much. I didn't believe I could actually change my thoughts but over time with practice, I really do think differently now and have a lot more inner peace.
The show 13 reasons why literally CHANGED the method of s**cide from the book (in which she used medication) to something WAY more graphic on purpose for the show. Also, she used an unrealistic method which rarely leads to actual death. Not sure if that's a good or bad thing.
(not sure if I shoulda censored that word but I did just to be safe lol)
I love when he said, "I finally got *actually* honest about things" about being in therapy.
It's really hard to tell anyone how you're truly feeling. For a long time I'd express frustration about an event to coworkers or friends, but it was a very surface level emotion and we've trained ourselves to talk about that kind of "safe" dissatisfaction, which is not really that productive at a broader level. You can express it, certainly, but it's not enough on its own. And yeah context matters, don't trauma dump on random people.
I recently had my first truly honest emotional breakdown in therapy and it was really hard but really rewarding. Sometimes it takes that to actually realize what you're feeling. You try to give a half truth, something "safe" and instead you end up completely breaking down which might be what it takes to realize the depth of the impact that trauma or that feeling is having on you.
It takes time to build up a relationship with your therapist (or anyone) to the point where you can do that, but if you're able to it matters a great deal.
After some googling, I think I know what the censored line from The Idol they referenced is. Not gonna type it out because YIKES, but adding "Epstein" to your search will pull it up immediately. Also probably tells you enough up front.
oh my god...thank you for the reference because I was curious, but I also need to bleach my eyes/brain now. how horrible
I thought it would be an Epstein thing, given the context, but I can't say I'm happy to be right yuck
@@kklg9774 absolutely same
Jesus Christ I feel like the second half changed me as a person lmao
Not knowing the quote Jarvis mentioned about the idol is going to KILL ME I need to know what it is point me in the right direction PLEASE
its something about jeffery epstein 😭 Its a rlly horrendous quote if u find a video about the idol episode 3 they will for sure say the whole quote in there
@emelybatista4373 ew I can already tell the vibes of what that is and it's completely pointless to even know honestly pervert crap is just pervert crap it doesn't even mean anything
@emelybatista4373 I'm so glad people are hating the idol and Sam Levinson now I felt like I was crazy being the only one who didn't think he was great
i believe he’s talking about the line where they say “i’m f****** sh****** more bl**d than a kid at epst*in island” lots of censors to avoid getting banned