"...you get the Super Emeralds ONLY in Mushroom Hill zone." ...Did we play the same game? Because all of the levels from Sonic & Knuckles have Super Emerald Rings
They're ridiculously hard to find after mushroom hill, and they're only in the first four zones of SnK. Flying Battery literally makes you push over spikes to find any, something that is never done or hinted at in any other point in the series, and the one accessible to sonic in sandopolis act 2 is in the middle of a point of no return.
@@Eggscramblercomms Pushing spikes? I found both of the rings in Act 1 without needing to any of that - I didn't even know that you _could_ push the spikes. For the first one, just stick to the low path and use Tails or get an electric shield. The second one is even easier, just fall to the bottom of the big vertical tube with the capsules and go to the left. The one accessible to Sonic in Act 2 is absolutely trivial to find as it's on the compulsory route right at the end. If anything, the game encourages you to find them across all of the zones (omitting Hidden Palace, Sky Sanctuary and Death Egg) because the game actually removes some of the rings from Mushroom Hill when it's part of Sonic 3 & Knuckles.
28:35 There are big rings in Flying Battery, Sandopolis, and Lava Reef as well. Sky Sanctuary and Death Egg are the only ones without (Although Death Egg has rooms that look and feel like they were once intended to have big rings in them)
Probably already knew this but Fun Fact: In the original Sonic 3 (the one that was gonna come w/ the & Knuckles portion) between Carnival Night and Ice Cap was Flying Battery. You'd be launched into the airship through the cannon and then when landing in Ice Cap, you'd be snowboarding off the door you kick off. So the transition made 10% more sense.
Alax: "TODAY I"M GONNA RANK DA CLASSIC SAHNIC TRILOGY... WHICH is 4 games... on a tierlist with 6 spots... and I'm gonna rank 3 of them twice... :0) *CD* *SUC--* "
I once heard a saying from GeoExe: “Humanity is like a ocean. If a few drops of the ocean are dirty, that does not mean that the entire ocean is dirty.” Replace “humanity” with “The Sonic Series” and you get why people should make fun of Sonic less.
Sonic fanboy take incoming but there's only three to five really bad Sonic games those games being Sonic 06, Unleashed, Forces, and Shadow but even then some don't even agree about Unleashed and Shadow being that bad. Secert Rings and Black Knight are just shitty Wii games lots of series had shitty Wii games but I don't see Zelda videos still bring up Link's Crossbow Training. I feel as if the Internet has overblown the hate this series gets from the games, the characters, and hell even the fanbase because every fanbase is shit. All I have to say to wrap this up is that have you ever noticed whenever someone brings up Sonic's rough transistion post Sonic 3 & Knuckles, it's always the same games I keep mentioning with the occasional "Big the Cat" or "Sonic kissed a women 14 years ago."
I personally will always prefer the adventure games, the advance games, and heroes over the classic games. That just what I grew up with, and while yeah, they have their problems, they offer so much in terms of gameplay and style. The advance games introduced me to my favorite character in the series, Cream and Cheese, and Sonic Heroes brought in my second favorite, being E-123 Omega. But even though I prefer those games over the classics, I will never deny how much the classic games did so well, and I will always hold a high level of respect for them. Sonic mania is the best thing to come out of sonic this entire decade. I LOVE every inch of mania. With that said, I really hope sonic team decides to push the series forward in terms of the 3d department, because 3D hasn’t been too great lately. Forced 2D sections, no playable characters besides sonic, shotty level design, the tone has been dumbed down, just moving in a circle feels bad. I’d love for the series to retry the adventure formula and figure out what made them fun, as well as what made us love the characters and world of Sonic. April 20th is only so far away, we’ll find out what the future has in store for us soon enough. Sonic the hedgehog is my favorite video game series of all time. The music, the fun wide variety of characters, the speedy gameplay, the beautiful creative scenery, I love sonic so so much, but it feels like the series has been pandering to outsiders rather than genuine fans like me, so I really hope they find a permanent fix for the series that satisfies the fans that were there through thick and thin.
Mr Shifty oh..... *OOF* My bad bro As for sonic 06 being adventure 3, I mean you’re not wrong. Sonic advance basically is sonic 4 if you think about it lol
Play P-06 and stop complaining about 2d sections, in boost games specifically. You don't see classic sonic fans complaining about the special stages do you? 3D and 2D are preferences, not flaws in a game, just putting that out there...
"Why would you go and create something that's completely opposite to what you're advertising?" Sega did a good job with the advertising to sell the idea of Sonic being fast, in an effort to differentiate both their mascot and their hardware from Nintendo, but the game was already under development as this was being figured out. They were very much riffing on Mario, which has similar kinds of stop-and-start obstacles, and didn't have time to fully apply the high concept they settled on until the sequel.
@@CometX-ing I always found that logic on why sonic games are good to be dumb. That's true for literally every game, if it wasn't people wouldn't care so much about speed running. Let's look back at Mario which supposedly has stop and go level design, how many times do you see a 2D mario speed runner actually stop. It's why people hate the auto scroll levels they introduced in 3, because Mario also rewarfed speed for learning the level. You can even speed through a Bubsy level if you play through it enough times, does that mean Bubsy secretly has good level design =b
I’m pretty sure the concept of Sonic going fast was the idea since literally the beginning. Naka’s main inspiration for Sonic was playing through the first level in super Mario bros as fast he can.
First two minutes into the video, I just have to say this: I'm honestly so sick of youtubers saying that after the original trilogy that sonic became "crap." There's plenty of games after the original trilogy that are great, just because its different and not the same and just because there are a handful of bad games doesnt make all of them bad.
Alexander Clam Bell I will say all the horrible sonic games 3D blast Shadow the hedgehog 06 Secret rings Arguably, lost world Sonic free riders Sonic boom rise of lyric(3ds games are actually good) Forces
While there are really bad Sonic games like Sonic 06 and the worst Sonic game of all time Rise of Lyric; or at the least big name disappointments like Forces, there are some genuinely fun ones like Sonic Adventure, Adventure 2 (especially SA2 Battle), Colors, Generations, and the day time sections in Unleashed. Not to mention the first Advance feels like a more proper Sonic 4 than Sonic 4 itself (it helps Advance was made back when Dimps knew how to make proper Sonic games).
@@tidepoolclipper8657 i actually think that rise lf lyric Is not that bad,i mean its a piece of shit, but what its really (REALLY) a fucking bad game, Is forces. Literally EVERY character feels like shit playing with. Modern is just a damn straight line, the avatar can't know if its platforming or speed and ends up feeling crap. Classic Sonic doesnt need it, its enough to say who designed His Gameplay can have the worst of deaths.The story Is a fucking childish crappy shit trying to be "AEDULTH" and the engine has that shitty Cartoony look that makes me want to punch everyone involved on It. Separate of It, the engine still looks really odd in front of unleashed or generations, damn they didn't even took the fucking time to make a decent port to the switch, that thing can run the damn Odyssey on some 60 fps really solid, and the dumbass Sonic team couldn't even make It to go at least to stable 30 fps, ARE YOU KIDDING ME
Me: What about Sonic CD? Alax: What *about* Sonic CD? In all seriousness, if I had to rank all the “classic” Sonic games, including the OG trilogy, it’d be like this: 1. Sonic 3 & Knuckles 2. Sonic Mania 3. Sonic CD 4. Sonic 2 5. Sonic 1
Alax I legit urge you to give the Sonic Advance series a try. Everything you love and hate about the classic Sonic series is there. I think you'll really like it XD
I’ve just discovered your channel a few days ago and I’m watching everything. I LOVE Cat’s character arc and I especially like how Cat isn’t flanderized
Damn, this is pretty much how I feel about the trilogy, except Alax transformed my thoughts into an actual coherent video with fun jokes... Props, man!
@@Nov-5062 although the game definetly deserves more love attention, the rubber band duo feels too different for it to be apart of the main trilogy. Im not saying its bad, just feels to different
If I was a time traveler I would put Sonic 1 and CD in the Same game and CD would be the second half because Sonic CD’s ending was more satisfying than Sonic 1’s ending.
Anyone else tired for the "Everything after Sonic & Knuckles is crap" argument? Alex even contradicted himself, considering how he even made a video on Sonic Adventure 2 being the best 3D Sonic. And let's not forget about the Sonic Advance series either, the Rush series, Generations, Colors, and (arguably) Unleashed.
Yeah, it's kind of annoying how so many people believe that because of a few sour games. As for Unleashed, the day stages are genuinely fantastic and the night stages aren't as bad as people say they are, they just aren't very Sonic-y.
This was a great video! These are some of my favorite games of all time, great to hear your opinions on them! I have to say though, I'm a bit confused about what you said at 28:27... What are you talking about?? There are plenty of Giant Rings in Flying Battery, Sandopolis, and Lava Reef. It's only from Hidden Palace onwards that there are no Giant Rings to find, but until then you have plenty of opportunities to get the Super Emeralds! Hopefully that makes the game a bit more fun for you haha
28:31 Wait, are you saying the Super Emeralds can ONLY be obtained in Mushroom Hill? If that IS what you're saying, that is just not true. You can find special rings in every zone, and as long as you find all 7 Chaos Emeralds before Mushroom Hill, the giant rings from that point on will lead to the Super Emeralds. Love this video by the way, I'm a huge fan of all the classic Sonic games. Just correcting something I think you may have gotten wrong.
These are hard times indeed... but hey, thank you so much for looking out for everyone! I really enjoyed watching this video, as someone who grew up with GameCube era Sonic and never played the original trilogy. Take care of yourself, Alax, and may this pandemic soon subside.
I do understand the problems people have with cd... But I really wish people appreciated some aspects it did really well. It's music is typically a standard for music quality and is really good. The presentation too is very good in moments like the metal sonic race. I feel that's where the creative side of sonic was born creating a lot of very weird and unique level visuals
24:04 in fairness, it was originally supposed to be Carnival Night -> Flying Battery -> IceCap, which is a little more cohesive. If there was no need to split the games in half, the progression here might have felt less like they "dropped the ball".
first game apologist, then channel pup, then alax? Looks like the classic sonic games are becoming more popular again. Sonic 3 and knuckles is the best one in the series and if you don't agree just see my comment on game apologist. It's an amazing game.
edge lord No shit, I watched the game apologist’s hour and half long video yesterday and then relaxalax puts out a video on this topic. I don’t mind it, but it’s a little strange how these videos came out around the same time.
Sonic 2 has a way of dealing with the last few zones, built into the game. By simply completing early zones quickly, which is generally easy, you get a lot of points, and if you have a certain amount of bonus points at the end of a level, you get a continue. This means you can get four continues after two zones, generally easily. Just save those, and you can save yourself a lot of heartbreak at the end.
You can actually go fairly fast in plenty of sections in marble zone. For instance, you can jump between platforms in most of the moving platform in lava sections.
In Sonic 2, collect all the Chaos Emeralds and beat the game. If you don't turn the console off and start a new game after the credits end, you will have all of the Chaos Emeralds still collected. Meaning: you're able to use Super Sonic through your whole second playthrough.
Oh come on, sonic CD isn't trash. There are at least two video's I could link to explaining that. Edit: He pronounces it Hydrawsitty too! I'm not the only one :D
I 100% Sonic 2 and felt hurt by his description of the emerald hunting. Granted, I did it on the remastered mobile version. But it was quite satisfying for me to get all seven emeralds in Emerald Hill alone.
if you felt hurt, it's probably because, like you said, you played it on the remastered mobile version, which makes the special stages WAY more fair and forgiving. play the original special stages on the genesis and you will see what he's talking about.
I'm a huge sonic fan. I've only played a few games, but I can confidently say I much prefer the 2D, 16 bit sonic to anything else. I haven't played sonic and knuckles yet, but grew up playing 1, 2, and 3 and love them (especially 2). I've recently picked up sonic mania as well, and it has the same feel to it as those
@@Eth3431 Ight man, you got me on the release of the game, but it was still developed around the same time as Sonic 2, there for unable to learn from its mistakes. Overall, you win the discussion.
I think sonic 3&K took to much from 2. Even the final boss and a robot sonic return if anything CD is unique in its level design and story and has the best robo sonic before sonic 2 did. I'm glad sonic CD didn't base itself so heavily on 2 like 3&K did and went to do it's own thing.
I'll always have a very soft spot for Sonic, 2 being the very first game I ever played even going so far as being the earliest memory I can recall. Between Sonic 1 and 2 plus Golden Axe and Altered Beast, Sega really had my heart my whole life.
I'm really curious to see what his beef with Sonic CD is. I just recently played it and had a blast. I definitely consider it better than Sonic 1 and 2. To me the levels all seem to follow the good Sonic level design criteria Alax presented in this video. (That is if you're playing with the Japanese soundtrack)
8:00 Now that I know how to play it, LZ (and this applies to SBZ3 as well) is a really fun gauntlet for me to run through. It's tied [with SBZ] for my 2nd favorite zone (SLZ is 4th, and MZ & SYZ are a'ight; they're slow but still admittedly decent Platformer stages).
Alax: The classic trilogy is the only time sonic wasn't crap! *Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Heroes, Sonic Riders, Sonic Riders Zero Gravity, Sonic Advance Trilogy, Sonic Rush Trilogy, Sonic Unleashed, Sonic Colors, Sonic Generations, and Sonic Lost world would like to know your location*
@@ohmadda7038 Despite what people say, the actual base game is not atrocious. It`s better than forces and 06. Like heroes it tried something new and while it wasn't what people asked for it was still fun and still worked in my opinion
@@mrfox5117 i just think it's extremely linear. it doesn't do anything new or interesting besides crippling yet another format that worked and breaking it down to it's "core" in an attempt to innovate. it's just a really dumb mediocre game. i dont think it's horrible, but i wouldn't put it on the same list as any of the games you mentioned
@@ohmadda7038 Well everything you mentioned doesnt make it necessarily a bad game. Looking at the game without the "not the same as before" lens, it is fine. I do think that it is of lower quality than most games on this list, but I also think it is heavily underrated and most people bypass it as bad because it wasn't the best choice for Sonic team to make.
Fun fact: Originally, Flying Battery would appear in Sonic 3, in between Carnival Night and Ice Cap. Due to time, I guess, it was removed from 3 and put in Knuckles. This is why the transition from CN to IC is strange.
That Canadian goose analogy was so accurate. I found my copy of Sonic Mega Collection at a CLOTHING STORE. Back in the day that store had DVDs too but certainly no damn video games. It was just there, on one of the empty shelves. ...And I took it, lol
1:33 Ya its not like it’s the game that caused mania or anything, or the debut of Metal Sonic (Not to be confused with Silver Sonic from Sonic 2, or mecha Sonic from 3&K) And caused the Sonic Ova, and was the only fucking nonironically good thing about the CD.
You know, watching these videos now, Alax gives me the vibes of a teacher trying a bit to hard to be funny to a class. Oh, he's funny for sure, but its the presentation he's presenting us with that gives me that vibe.
"Big rings in Sonic & Knuckles are gone" lmao no you're just bad. Mushroom hill has the most, but there are a few in Flying Battery and Sandopolis, and a good few in Lava Reef. And by the end of Lava Reef, you probably have all the emeralds.
Of course 3 and knuckles is the best one. It's the best sonic game ever made. The music is beautiful. The level design is the best in the series. But the name *and knuckles* Makes it all the more better. My favorite stage being ice cap zone and death egg zone. Its an amazing game and if you haven't played it then plAy it now.
Well I wouldn’t say the whole trilogy is better than most Modern Sonic games but Sonic 3 is better than most of the modern ones. Im not counting spinoffs like Rise of Lyric or Freeriders or Shadow the hedgehog
@@theminecraft2516 Rise of Lyric doesn't even count as a game in my book. It is in a special category named "Interactive experience with cutscenes featuring Sonic the Hedgehog and friends"
Adventure 2 is better than all of them in my opinion, but I constantly have arguments in my head between Sonic 3, adventure 2, and mania for my favorite sonic game
"...you get the Super Emeralds ONLY in Mushroom Hill zone."
...Did we play the same game? Because all of the levels from Sonic & Knuckles have Super Emerald Rings
That threw me off too. I guess the rings are harder to find in the other levels but they definitely exist.
@@InvaderWeezle it's the only level that doesn't make you play to find
They're ridiculously hard to find after mushroom hill, and they're only in the first four zones of SnK. Flying Battery literally makes you push over spikes to find any, something that is never done or hinted at in any other point in the series, and the one accessible to sonic in sandopolis act 2 is in the middle of a point of no return.
@@Eggscramblercomms Pushing spikes? I found both of the rings in Act 1 without needing to any of that - I didn't even know that you _could_ push the spikes. For the first one, just stick to the low path and use Tails or get an electric shield. The second one is even easier, just fall to the bottom of the big vertical tube with the capsules and go to the left. The one accessible to Sonic in Act 2 is absolutely trivial to find as it's on the compulsory route right at the end.
If anything, the game encourages you to find them across all of the zones (omitting Hidden Palace, Sky Sanctuary and Death Egg) because the game actually removes some of the rings from Mushroom Hill when it's part of Sonic 3 & Knuckles.
Wait what, after Mushroom Hill there are a lot of easy super emeralds
“This video was sponsored by...”
*skips ahead 5sec*
“SONIC THE HEDGEHOG”
Enjoy fast-paced gameplay made like it was straight from the 90's, for free on your phone!
@@zubair1149 Funny you said that because Sonic 1, 2, and CD was free on phone.
@@Trimint123 yeah, I knew that already 😁
Jaren Bayon Hey Sonic squad
At least it was straight to the point.
I would watch a whole series of Alax making & Knuckles jokes
Featuring Dante from Devil May Cry Series™
Now with new funky mode!
& Knuckles
You thought it was & Knuckles joke but it was me Dio!
Definitive addition
Sonic CD: “Why won’t you let me in!”
Sonic cd let me in let!!! me!!!! iiiinnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!
lol.
Sonic pinball: Hay, do I count guys?
Sonic 3D Blast: "why you forget me?! I'm a Sonic game, I swear!"
Knuckles Chaotix: "Why you forget me? I'm a game, I swear!"
😭 Iam crying right now
TH-camr: *exists*
Raycon: I'm gonna sponsor this man's entire career.
Raid: finally a worthy opponent
OK THATS 1000% wrong you idiot THIS WAS SPONSORED BY RAID SHAD-
At least its not a bad product. Others like raid blatantly lie. Raycons are something people might actually use/need
& Knuckles
Worst part is every time Raycon is mentioned, the "RAY" part automatically triggers the shadow legends.
"When people learn from their mistakes that is my kink"
- Alax
Thats his kink
Lol a quote for the books
Too unrealistic! They should just settle for bondage like the rest of us.
2:45 Alax just flexing his GameCube controller, but DANG is that a good controller
He made an unboxing video for a long time ago. It's cool to see that he still has it.
Where'd he get it?
28:35 There are big rings in Flying Battery, Sandopolis, and Lava Reef as well. Sky Sanctuary and Death Egg are the only ones without (Although Death Egg has rooms that look and feel like they were once intended to have big rings in them)
1:48 "I think it's important to talk about where I met Sonic"
YOU MET SONIC!?
Gustavo Abuchaim de Freitas Xavier I raced him.
Gustavo Abuchaim de Freitas Xavier No.
I brought him a chillidog
&Knuckles
bruh
Probably already knew this but Fun Fact:
In the original Sonic 3 (the one that was gonna come w/ the & Knuckles portion) between Carnival Night and Ice Cap was Flying Battery. You'd be launched into the airship through the cannon and then when landing in Ice Cap, you'd be snowboarding off the door you kick off. So the transition made 10% more sense.
“And arguably the only time that sonic isn’t crap...”
Adventure games: Are you dissing us?
yeah he did. How could he.
Advance/Rush games: Are you *ALSO* dissing us?!
Generations: *kicks door down* _what did you fucking say_
Adventure games are trash.
Sonic Mania: Excuse me?
Alax: "TODAY I"M GONNA RANK DA CLASSIC SAHNIC TRILOGY...
WHICH is 4 games...
on a tierlist with 6 spots...
and I'm gonna rank 3 of them twice...
:0)
*CD* *SUC--* "
Sonic 2 100% is it's own game but Knuckles in sonic 2 isn't
*CD DOES SUC-*
I once heard a saying from GeoExe: “Humanity is like a ocean. If a few drops of the ocean are dirty, that does not mean that the entire ocean is dirty.” Replace “humanity” with “The Sonic Series” and you get why people should make fun of Sonic less.
I agree there are more good sonic games than bad especially if you consider 3d AND 2d ones. But nope sonic bad lol.
M E M E R I O nah, there are more than a couple bad sonic games
i see you also follow geo
So how’s waiting been treating you?
Sonic fanboy take incoming but there's only three to five really bad Sonic games those games being Sonic 06, Unleashed, Forces, and Shadow but even then some don't even agree about Unleashed and Shadow being that bad. Secert Rings and Black Knight are just shitty Wii games lots of series had shitty Wii games but I don't see Zelda videos still bring up Link's Crossbow Training. I feel as if the Internet has overblown the hate this series gets from the games, the characters, and hell even the fanbase because every fanbase is shit. All I have to say to wrap this up is that have you ever noticed whenever someone brings up Sonic's rough transistion post Sonic 3 & Knuckles, it's always the same games I keep mentioning with the occasional "Big the Cat" or "Sonic kissed a women 14 years ago."
When did Geo say that?
I personally will always prefer the adventure games, the advance games, and heroes over the classic games. That just what I grew up with, and while yeah, they have their problems, they offer so much in terms of gameplay and style. The advance games introduced me to my favorite character in the series, Cream and Cheese, and Sonic Heroes brought in my second favorite, being E-123 Omega.
But even though I prefer those games over the classics, I will never deny how much the classic games did so well, and I will always hold a high level of respect for them. Sonic mania is the best thing to come out of sonic this entire decade. I LOVE every inch of mania.
With that said, I really hope sonic team decides to push the series forward in terms of the 3d department, because 3D hasn’t been too great lately. Forced 2D sections, no playable characters besides sonic, shotty level design, the tone has been dumbed down, just moving in a circle feels bad. I’d love for the series to retry the adventure formula and figure out what made them fun, as well as what made us love the characters and world of Sonic. April 20th is only so far away, we’ll find out what the future has in store for us soon enough. Sonic the hedgehog is my favorite video game series of all time. The music, the fun wide variety of characters, the speedy gameplay, the beautiful creative scenery, I love sonic so so much, but it feels like the series has been pandering to outsiders rather than genuine fans like me, so I really hope they find a permanent fix for the series that satisfies the fans that were there through thick and thin.
_Sonic ‘06 is SA3_
Mr Shifty you completely missed the point I was trying it make fam
I was making a joke dude
_Sonic ‘06 is still SA3_
Mr Shifty oh..... *OOF*
My bad bro
As for sonic 06 being adventure 3, I mean you’re not wrong. Sonic advance basically is sonic 4 if you think about it lol
Play P-06 and stop complaining about 2d sections, in boost games specifically. You don't see classic sonic fans complaining about the special stages do you?
3D and 2D are preferences, not flaws in a game, just putting that out there...
"Why would you go and create something that's completely opposite to what you're advertising?"
Sega did a good job with the advertising to sell the idea of Sonic being fast, in an effort to differentiate both their mascot and their hardware from Nintendo, but the game was already under development as this was being figured out. They were very much riffing on Mario, which has similar kinds of stop-and-start obstacles, and didn't have time to fully apply the high concept they settled on until the sequel.
Plus, speed is a reward for skill.
@@cullbear55 Pretty much this. Sonic is a game you are supposed to go back and play and improve you're time by learning routes and maximizing speed.
@@CometX-ing I always found that logic on why sonic games are good to be dumb. That's true for literally every game, if it wasn't people wouldn't care so much about speed running. Let's look back at Mario which supposedly has stop and go level design, how many times do you see a 2D mario speed runner actually stop. It's why people hate the auto scroll levels they introduced in 3, because Mario also rewarfed speed for learning the level. You can even speed through a Bubsy level if you play through it enough times, does that mean Bubsy secretly has good level design =b
I’m pretty sure the concept of Sonic going fast was the idea since literally the beginning. Naka’s main inspiration for Sonic was playing through the first level in super Mario bros as fast he can.
@@cullbear55 Implying there will be speed from skillfully playing Sonic 1's slow levels
First two minutes into the video, I just have to say this: I'm honestly so sick of youtubers saying that after the original trilogy that sonic became "crap." There's plenty of games after the original trilogy that are great, just because its different and not the same and just because there are a handful of bad games doesnt make all of them bad.
Nothing is more tiring than hearing them say the same bullshit everytime
Alexander Clam Bell I will say all the horrible sonic games
3D blast
Shadow the hedgehog
06
Secret rings
Arguably, lost world
Sonic free riders
Sonic boom rise of lyric(3ds games are actually good)
Forces
Alexander Clam Bell finally someone said it
i agree. Realistically sonic had only 5 bad games: 06, boom, shadow, secret rings, and forces (objectively the worst.)
Jaymyster 726 I would consider Black Knight and Secret Rings to be in that list
Hot take: Not every game past Sonic 3&K is bad, and I'm not just talking about Mania either.
While there are really bad Sonic games like Sonic 06 and the worst Sonic game of all time Rise of Lyric; or at the least big name disappointments like Forces, there are some genuinely fun ones like Sonic Adventure, Adventure 2 (especially SA2 Battle), Colors, Generations, and the day time sections in Unleashed.
Not to mention the first Advance feels like a more proper Sonic 4 than Sonic 4 itself (it helps Advance was made back when Dimps knew how to make proper Sonic games).
Jenny Baxter “Not every game”
Your joke doesn’t even make sense
@@tidepoolclipper8657 people have different opinions.. I like Sonic 06 more then Sonic 1 and 2. I've played both on both Steam and on Mobile
@@tidepoolclipper8657 i actually think that rise lf lyric Is not that bad,i mean its a piece of shit, but what its really (REALLY) a fucking bad game, Is forces. Literally EVERY character feels like shit playing with. Modern is just a damn straight line, the avatar can't know if its platforming or speed and ends up feeling crap. Classic Sonic doesnt need it, its enough to say who designed His Gameplay can have the worst of deaths.The story Is a fucking childish crappy shit trying to be "AEDULTH" and the engine has that shitty Cartoony look that makes me want to punch everyone involved on It. Separate of It, the engine still looks really odd in front of unleashed or generations, damn they didn't even took the fucking time to make a decent port to the switch, that thing can run the damn Odyssey on some 60 fps really solid, and the dumbass Sonic team couldn't even make It to go at least to stable 30 fps, ARE YOU KIDDING ME
@Jenny Baxter Nah
Jesus, I dropped everything to watch this.
Really? During these times
SAME
I dropped on the ground to watch this
Then you better go catch it :-)
Imo it wasn't worth it. Especially as a sonic fan.
Me: What about Sonic CD?
Alax: What *about* Sonic CD?
In all seriousness, if I had to rank all the “classic” Sonic games, including the OG trilogy, it’d be like this:
1. Sonic 3 & Knuckles
2. Sonic Mania
3. Sonic CD
4. Sonic 2
5. Sonic 1
10: Sonic 4 Episode 1
& Knuckles
Sonic CD and 3 & Knuckles are my favorites
Id say from worst to best:
Sonic 1 and 3 tie,
Sonic 2,
Then Sonic CD.
@@AndroidHarris I mean, Sonic 2 is better than 3, but not 3&K.
"hydrocity" did he just make a Megamind reference?
Nope. Some people just actually pronounce it that way. IDK why, Hydro City makes much more sense
I like to called it: Hydrocity:the hydro city.
Fills both sides :]
Yeah, most people call it "Hydro-city" rather than "Hy-drocity".
People might call it that way because of "velocity" and you know Sonic tends to be quite fast.
@@Mimi.1001 No, it's cause in the title screen for the zone, there isn't a space between the "hydro" and "city"
24:56 I like the detail about that one guy having one of Knuckles's gloves.This dude has so many cool details keep it up man
Alax I legit urge you to give the Sonic Advance series a try. Everything you love and hate about the classic Sonic series is there. I think you'll really like it XD
Ok
I’ve just discovered your channel a few days ago and I’m watching everything. I LOVE Cat’s character arc and I especially like how Cat isn’t flanderized
Damn, this is pretty much how I feel about the trilogy, except Alax transformed my thoughts into an actual coherent video with fun jokes...
Props, man!
Alax: “Sonic 2’s 100% is the worst one in the series.”
Sonic Advance 2: “Allow me to introduce my self.”
Paulryan Tako I should also say that if sonic advance 2 was on a better screen it would still be horrible
Sonic advance is great
Despite what some people think, i believe sonic cd still should be apart of the "classic trilogy"
It’s like the second half of Sonic 2 even though it takes place before Sonic 2
@@theminecraft2516 it feels more like a sequel to sonic one, due to the similarities in zone themes, level layout, and sprites
And If you ask me, Knuckles Chaotix need some more recognition too
@@Nov-5062 although the game definetly deserves more love attention, the rubber band duo feels too different for it to be apart of the main trilogy. Im not saying its bad, just feels to different
If I was a time traveler I would put Sonic 1 and CD in the Same game and CD would be the second half because Sonic CD’s ending was more satisfying than Sonic 1’s ending.
Anyone else tired for the "Everything after Sonic & Knuckles is crap" argument? Alex even contradicted himself, considering how he even made a video on Sonic Adventure 2 being the best 3D Sonic. And let's not forget about the Sonic Advance series either, the Rush series, Generations, Colors, and (arguably) Unleashed.
Yeah, it's kind of annoying how so many people believe that because of a few sour games. As for Unleashed, the day stages are genuinely fantastic and the night stages aren't as bad as people say they are, they just aren't very Sonic-y.
8:00 Found my new ringtone😂
Alax: "Cat. Let's go to the past"
"*FUTURE*"
I love Marble Zone, especially its music.
In Sonic 2 you can turn Tails off, my mom hated the poor fox and I never understood why lol
She done predicted Sonic Lost World 💀
She done predicted Sonic Lost World 💀
"Can you tell if I got 100%?"
Yeah, there's no Emeralds in your hands
"There are only Big Rings in Mushroom Hill"
Someone didn't do their research
This was a great video! These are some of my favorite games of all time, great to hear your opinions on them!
I have to say though, I'm a bit confused about what you said at 28:27... What are you talking about?? There are plenty of Giant Rings in Flying Battery, Sandopolis, and Lava Reef. It's only from Hidden Palace onwards that there are no Giant Rings to find, but until then you have plenty of opportunities to get the Super Emeralds! Hopefully that makes the game a bit more fun for you haha
“Now.. For this ranking, in a bold, never before seen move. I’m going to rank the games as they were released!”
SomecallmeJohnny: Am I a joke to you?
I’m glad I’m not the only kid who said,
“HIGH-Drocity” as a kid
"hit the blue and avoid the right, just like politics" I can't lie I was eating pizza and this one actually made me choke LMFAOOOOOOOOO
Are Canadians different? I hope so, because Lefties are pathetic
@@stanstanstan2597 ok tristan mcqueer
@@aperson9792 How mature and eloquent
@@stanstanstan2597 What're ya gonna cry ya gonna wipe the snot off your nose with the sleeve of your tuxedo shirt
“Sonic 2 is the worst game”
Wait that’s illegal.
Someone actually said that? Him? The video guy? My life has meaning again...
how
like actually how
Just for the 100% ing
@Jenny Baxter I don't agree
The first sonic game is really shit tbh.
“You can’t spell Elaborating without Boring” nice... I could even tell Alax was proud of that one 😂
28:31
Wait, are you saying the Super Emeralds can ONLY be obtained in Mushroom Hill? If that IS what you're saying, that is just not true. You can find special rings in every zone, and as long as you find all 7 Chaos Emeralds before Mushroom Hill, the giant rings from that point on will lead to the Super Emeralds.
Love this video by the way, I'm a huge fan of all the classic Sonic games. Just correcting something I think you may have gotten wrong.
These are hard times indeed... but hey, thank you so much for looking out for everyone! I really enjoyed watching this video, as someone who grew up with GameCube era Sonic and never played the original trilogy. Take care of yourself, Alax, and may this pandemic soon subside.
Hey at least we got sonic mania and then we got sonic forces...
Yay...
Wooo.....
Yeah....
Woop tee doo
And THEN MANIA PLUS
No Sonic CD.
RIP Sonic timeline.
Coming next time
Making a Sonic video while playing Mario world music at some point
I believe this is the definition of *SAVAGE*
Is it just me, or is everyone talking about Sonic recently? I like it!
CullBear 55 ikr
Cullbear have an absulotely that's not how you spell it wonderful easter
@@germanpogostick absolutely
Because of the Sonic movie.
@@Genesis-yi5nz another comment said that
"It becomes apart of Your Reality." *Zooms in on Monika plush*
Nice we both met Sonic at the same exact age also I have watched this video 3 TIMES THIS VIDEO IS SOOOO GOOD!!!!!!
"There's no timeline where talking about Sonic CD is meaningful."
*Sad Christian Whitehead noises*
Sonic CD is my favorite. Can't believe you did my boy dirty like that.
I do understand the problems people have with cd... But I really wish people appreciated some aspects it did really well. It's music is typically a standard for music quality and is really good. The presentation too is very good in moments like the metal sonic race. I feel that's where the creative side of sonic was born creating a lot of very weird and unique level visuals
Also thank you for the kind words at the end, take care of yourself
'There is no timeline Sonic CD is meaningful.' Sorry sir but you are intoxicated and we will have take you back to the station.
24:04 in fairness, it was originally supposed to be Carnival Night -> Flying Battery -> IceCap, which is a little more cohesive. If there was no need to split the games in half, the progression here might have felt less like they "dropped the ball".
"I'm into soylent now"
I feel legitimately attacked. Keep up the good work
the thing people forgot about sonic is that sonic isn't just a speed game but a platform game too
first game apologist, then channel pup, then alax?
Looks like the classic sonic games are becoming more popular again.
Sonic 3 and knuckles is the best one in the series and if you don't agree just see my comment on game apologist.
It's an amazing game.
The first 2 mostly do Sonic videos, what do you expect?
why do I see you everywhere?
Dude Classic Sonic has been popular since Mania. Also CD is my preference Classic Game~
edge lord No shit, I watched the game apologist’s hour and half long video yesterday and then relaxalax puts out a video on this topic. I don’t mind it, but it’s a little strange how these videos came out around the same time.
@@michaelvangelista335 It's fun to talk about fun games! (Also thanks for watching!)
Edge lord, good to see you, pleasure as always.
How does this man not even have at least half a million subs!?! The production value is astounding!
Don’t trust anyone who says that Mania is a better game than Sonic 3 & Knuckles.
It's better than Sonic 3 and knuckles ohhhhhh!
BoysOurRoy /// Lucas M how does he think that sonic 3&k is better
Mania is good but 3&l is arguably the best sonic game of all time
But it is better in every way? Like it's just sonic 3 & Knuckles but... more
@@rando9556 Mania’s level design is better but S3K overall narrative and atmosphere is a lot better than Mania’s.
Fax
right after he said "it needs a fox" i got an ad for fox news and i had a stroke
There were plenty of special stage rings after Mushroom Hill, what are you talking about? I remember consistently obtaining Hyper Sonic in Lava Reef.
8:21 you can walk over to the left to lower the water again
Alax with the Arthur drip ✊🏾
Jenny Baxter
Nah, anyone can have drip.
I’m giving back Raizo’s Black Card and taking away yours.
Sonic 2 has a way of dealing with the last few zones, built into the game. By simply completing early zones quickly, which is generally easy, you get a lot of points, and if you have a certain amount of bonus points at the end of a level, you get a continue. This means you can get four continues after two zones, generally easily. Just save those, and you can save yourself a lot of heartbreak at the end.
"Only boy with three girls" same here alax, same...
& knuckles
They could've still played video games with him, but just didn't want to.
I just realized that Alax pronouncing Hydrocity as hi-draw-city is like Megamind pronouncing Metrocity as met-traw-city.
Reminder that Sonic Mania had an "& Knuckles" mode *_where almost everything was Knuckles_*
Theres a mod for Sonic 3 where everything is Knuckles
You can save in mega collection. Press z in any game to access a menu that lets you basically make save states. It's actually really convenient!
"What kinda title is that?" Is going to be a running gag now huh
You can actually go fairly fast in plenty of sections in marble zone. For instance, you can jump between platforms in most of the moving platform in lava sections.
28:35 wait I thought there was big rings in flying battery as well?
There are plenty of Giant Rings in Flying Battery, Sandopolis, and Lava Reef. They're just much better hidden than Mushroom Hill.
Yeah I think I remember you gotta push some spikes to find em in flying battery
In Sonic 2, collect all the Chaos Emeralds and beat the game. If you don't turn the console off and start a new game after the credits end, you will have all of the Chaos Emeralds still collected. Meaning: you're able to use Super Sonic through your whole second playthrough.
Oh come on, sonic CD isn't trash. There are at least two video's I could link to explaining that.
Edit: He pronounces it Hydrawsitty too! I'm not the only one :D
8:00
This is where I snap at Sonic 1
I 100% Sonic 2 and felt hurt by his description of the emerald hunting. Granted, I did it on the remastered mobile version. But it was quite satisfying for me to get all seven emeralds in Emerald Hill alone.
if you felt hurt, it's probably because, like you said, you played it on the remastered mobile version, which makes the special stages WAY more fair and forgiving. play the original special stages on the genesis and you will see what he's talking about.
I'm a huge sonic fan. I've only played a few games, but I can confidently say I much prefer the 2D, 16 bit sonic to anything else. I haven't played sonic and knuckles yet, but grew up playing 1, 2, and 3 and love them (especially 2). I've recently picked up sonic mania as well, and it has the same feel to it as those
How could Sonic CD learn from the previous games if it only came out after Sonic 1 but before Sonic 2?
insert name It came out after 2, but you're right in that it was developed at the same time as 2, and thus could not really have learned from 2.
@@Eth3431 No it didn't, Sonic CD was released before Sonic 2.
@@Eth3431 Ight man, you got me on the release of the game, but it was still developed around the same time as Sonic 2, there for unable to learn from its mistakes. Overall, you win the discussion.
I think sonic 3&K took to much from 2. Even the final boss and a robot sonic return if anything CD is unique in its level design and story and has the best robo sonic before sonic 2 did.
I'm glad sonic CD didn't base itself so heavily on 2 like 3&K did and went to do it's own thing.
@@AndroidHarris Not that it could base itself of 2..n
Good video! Very funny and gets your opinion across!
2:53 this part is very easy to me, i can clear it with closed eyes.
I'll always have a very soft spot for Sonic, 2 being the very first game I ever played even going so far as being the earliest memory I can recall. Between Sonic 1 and 2 plus Golden Axe and Altered Beast, Sega really had my heart my whole life.
I will not forget how to disrespected Sonic CD. You will rue the day, alax.
Holy cow, that OCD bit got to me! Hilarious! I thought I was the only one that hopped on the crumbling tiles from one side to the other.
RAID: Shadow Legends and Knuckles
The Fast and the Furious and Knuckles
My Brother, My Brother, and Me and Knuckles
Featuring Donte from the Devil May Cry series
The Good the Bad and the Ugly and Knuckles
My Brother My Brother and Me and Knuckles featuring Lin-Manuel Miranda from the Devil May Cry series.
*& KNUCKLES*
With new Funky mode
24:06 dont worry Alax I can give you mine just change it up a bit so the teacher wont notice
Alax: Sonic 1 2 and 3 is my favorite video game trilogy
Me: EXCUSE ME, NOT MOTHER 1 2 and 3??????
he said one of his favorites
lol imagine learning another language to play mother 1 and 3
The Inktician
Fan translations, and an official one for Mother 1.
@@theinktician
Imagine not knowing how to patch a ROM file
@@Eth3431
LMAO no
I love you used the collection music despite how little it's used in sonic in GENERAL
I'm really curious to see what his beef with Sonic CD is. I just recently played it and had a blast. I definitely consider it better than Sonic 1 and 2. To me the levels all seem to follow the good Sonic level design criteria Alax presented in this video. (That is if you're playing with the Japanese soundtrack)
Well, it kind of depends on what type of playthrough you do on sonic cd.
8:00 Now that I know how to play it, LZ (and this applies to SBZ3 as well) is a really fun gauntlet for me to run through. It's tied [with SBZ] for my 2nd favorite zone (SLZ is 4th, and MZ & SYZ are a'ight; they're slow but still admittedly decent Platformer stages).
Alax: The classic trilogy is the only time sonic wasn't crap!
*Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Heroes, Sonic Riders, Sonic Riders Zero Gravity, Sonic Advance Trilogy, Sonic Rush Trilogy, Sonic Unleashed, Sonic Colors, Sonic Generations, and Sonic Lost world would like to know your location*
>sonic lost world
@@ohmadda7038 Despite what people say, the actual base game is not atrocious. It`s better than forces and 06. Like heroes it tried something new and while it wasn't what people asked for it was still fun and still worked in my opinion
@@mrfox5117 i just think it's extremely linear. it doesn't do anything new or interesting besides crippling yet another format that worked and breaking it down to it's "core" in an attempt to innovate. it's just a really dumb mediocre game. i dont think it's horrible, but i wouldn't put it on the same list as any of the games you mentioned
@@ohmadda7038 Well everything you mentioned doesnt make it necessarily a bad game. Looking at the game without the "not the same as before" lens, it is fine. I do think that it is of lower quality than most games on this list, but I also think it is heavily underrated and most people bypass it as bad because it wasn't the best choice for Sonic team to make.
@@mrfox5117 looking at it that way still doesn't justify that it's overall not really fun and extremely boring and sometimes obnoxious to sit through
Fun fact: Originally, Flying Battery would appear in Sonic 3, in between Carnival Night and Ice Cap. Due to time, I guess, it was removed from 3 and put in Knuckles. This is why the transition from CN to IC is strange.
I played all 4 classic sonic games for the first time recently and easily cd is the best. Sonic 2 coming close.
20:10 This is one of the best jokes I have heard in a TH-cam video in a while, thank you!
12:57 There arent 50 rings there, there are 55
3:20 I'm actually proud of you about this elaborating boring play on words. That blew my mind for 2 minutes straight.
you say "hydrocity" like Megamind would say it XD
That Canadian goose analogy was so accurate.
I found my copy of Sonic Mega Collection at a CLOTHING STORE. Back in the day that store had DVDs too but certainly no damn video games.
It was just there, on one of the empty shelves.
...And I took it, lol
1:33 Ya its not like it’s the game that caused mania or anything, or the debut of Metal Sonic (Not to be confused with Silver Sonic from Sonic 2, or mecha Sonic from 3&K) And caused the Sonic Ova, and was the only fucking nonironically good thing about the CD.
You know, watching these videos now, Alax gives me the vibes of a teacher trying a bit to hard to be funny to a class. Oh, he's funny for sure, but its the presentation he's presenting us with that gives me that vibe.
"Big rings in Sonic & Knuckles are gone"
lmao no you're just bad. Mushroom hill has the most, but there are a few in Flying Battery and Sandopolis, and a good few in Lava Reef. And by the end of Lava Reef, you probably have all the emeralds.
8:30 if you go to the left, the water actually starts going down! Took... too much trial and error to figure that out.
Of course 3 and knuckles is the best one.
It's the best sonic game ever made.
The music is beautiful.
The level design is the best in the series.
But the name *and knuckles*
Makes it all the more better.
My favorite stage being ice cap zone and death egg zone.
Its an amazing game and if you haven't played it then plAy it now.
If “& Knuckles” wasn’t on the title it would be the third best Sonic game
this boom in people loving sonic feels really good and now Alax is joining the fun
Well we can say one thing:
No matter what the rankings say, these games are better than most modern Sonic games.
Well I wouldn’t say the whole trilogy is better than most Modern Sonic games but Sonic 3 is better than most of the modern ones.
Im not counting spinoffs like Rise of Lyric or Freeriders or Shadow the hedgehog
@@theminecraft2516 Rise of Lyric doesn't even count as a game in my book. It is in a special category named "Interactive experience with cutscenes featuring Sonic the Hedgehog and friends"
I disagree.
Disagree, especially with Sonic 1.
Adventure 2 is better than all of them in my opinion, but I constantly have arguments in my head between Sonic 3, adventure 2, and mania for my favorite sonic game
You put the History track from Mega Collection more than once in the video.
Truly you are a man of culture.