@@jebboirayboi you guys stuck on Brees and Payton… they weren’t that great, dude! Only one lucky SB unlike Brady, Manning, Mahomes. Those players are great… Brees was good that’s it!
@@johnfonseca8155Brees had some of the worst defenses of all time, still carried his team to the playoffs and lost, because of defense. Because when we lost to the 49ers, Seahawks, Vikings, that was Brees?? 😂 That man should have 3 super bowls. We won’t even speak of the Rams playoff loss. The one year Brees had “decent” defense they won the superbowl (2009-2010) 😂
People seem to forget how good Jake was looking at the start of the year last year, but he got forgotten about after his suspension. He was a higher draft pick than Rattler, and it's his second year with the team so he's got some familiarity with the players and system.
They (Dc) love Peterman because he’s like a QB1 manager. So Rattler or Haener would need to compete with each other for Qb2 by also learning how to be a selfless and able to manage Qb1. This would make Peterman expendable. Some QBs aspire only to be a Qb2. Chase Daniel is an example.
Our defense is one of the best in the NFL. If Haener and Rattler can do well against them in team drills, then we know they most likely aren't going to be " bad" qbs. If they're dropping dimes against Shon, Alonte and Adebo, they're good.
I believe what people are not understanding is that. They think QB2 means that will be the factor on who the franchise QB will be for the future. When as you said that is not really the case.
Now I am rooting for rattler in the long run to become the future franchise QB because of his story and the fact that he has or had first round talent. With Andrew and Kubiak being here it gives them the opportunity to try to maximize that out of him and make him a starter. However though, when they do try to maximize his talents and his genuinely not good and Haener is the better QB for the future I won’t be mad at it because we still get a good starting QB for the future. It’s a win if you’re saints fan and also a win for the organization🤷🏾.
I want them all to be great. I like Haener and Rattler. I think Carr can be good with the right ppl around him. Hopefully he’s better when he has to carry the team at points.
I think Carr should come out playing with a chip on his shoulder to prove he's better than folks think. Carr is a good QB and doesn't get the respect he deserves
Preseason will reveal all. We should cut Peterman now. He's just taking snaps away from these two guys. Haener will get to run with the ones in preseason and that'll show us alot. Rattler will run with the twos
I've said since the draft Haener will be the number 2 and Rattler the number 3. For all the hate Petermen gets he's around for the summer to help Carr learn the new schemes faster.
Well, I'm pretty sure Haener right now has the QB2 spot. It's the default the Saints are working with. Rather, the question is: can Rattler win the qb2 spot from Haener?
@@exomake_mehorololo Of course it starts with seniority (year 2 with them vs a rookie). I called it "the default". But Haener has been doing well in the very limited amount we have seen publicly, and the onus is on Rattler to show he should beat out Jake, not the other way around. Rattler would win the role from Haener, not Haener from Rattler.
hey no, if carr is injured enough I want the backup whoever to play, instead of carr being injured and us losing players and games. I seen the study film on rattler, talent is there but decision making ability's maybe his kryptonite
I’m kinda leaning into Spencer because his potential is through the roof but I also really like Jake as well knowing he grew up a saints fan and was a draft pick of ours. Either or id be very happy if Spencer or Jake took the job from carr because their home grown saints draft picks and not free agents. I’m just ready for a guy we drafted to be the QB1 and not someone from another team
Spencer is overhyped and overrated. What potential?? His RAS was the worse of the entire QB class at 2.5. His 40 time is slower than most 300 Lb lineman at 4.95. He got benched twice in college. What potential?
I'll just be peeved if Peterman is the QB2 when the season starts. If Carr gets dinged up and Haener/Rattler needs to finish out a game, then roll with that. The kid-gloves approach gets us nowhere.
Are either of the young guys ready to step in should Carr go down? If not, and assuming the Saints are still in the playoff hunt when Carr goes down, then they have to sign a veteran off the street, such as Flacco or whoever, in the middle of the season. He has to come in and try to learn the playbook and all that on short notice. If the team isn't confident in either guy, then they have to sign a veteran now to come in, so he can be ready to step in should there be the need. If you're Dennis Allen you're already on the hot seat. Don't get caught with your pants down by not having a capable backup quarterback in the fold who's ready to go. I get the impression Peterman is there because Carr likes him. They've worked together in the past. I get all that, but if the Saints don't think Peterman can be that guy to save the season, then he needs to be out the door pronto. Bring in a veteran now, let him get acclimated, then cut him before the season if you still want to keep both young guys. Then, at least you have somebody on the back burner who already knows the playbook, etc., that you can call up from the couch in a pinch.
@MosheGoldbergTheKing If that's the case, then it would be better to go ahead and bring him in now so he can get acclimated. Maybe they like both the young guys. If they do, fine, but I'm just saying if they don't then now is the time to bring in the journeyman vet.
Right now we know little to nothing. Both need development. There is no plan to put either on the field this year. If Carr gets injured maybe either gets a chance but we don't know what that would look like.
So funny because you have to know ownership tendencies to answer that question. And the answer is NO. Unless Carr stinks it horrible , maybe but week 1 it will be Carr guaranteed .
Neither one of these guys are the future This Kool-Aid drinking over Rattler is ridiculous. No one is drafting 5th round QBs and developing them to be starters. The guys that were taken in later rounds, who get their shot, are guys like Purdy and Cousins, who got their shots because of injuries to the starters. This isn’t 1974.
I am sick and tired of the Rattler hype and the disrespect for Jake Haener. Haener is a hard worker who is very accurate, has a strong enough arm and is extremely smart. Jake is the future and he will work his tail off to prove it.
Pederman is garbage on the field. His only value is as a clipboard holder/cheerleader. You only keep him if Haener sucks rocks and you want to keep Pederman to protect Rattler if Carr goes down.
Nah, Rattler will get it. He played against better competition in college, and it will show. Jake was just a pick to make Carr comfortable with no competition in the room. Rattler will push him with the help of the new coaches. Watch out! No conference like the SEC.
No,,, I've been listening to you.. you are a Jake hater.. I listen.. just like you said if Carr gets hurt and Jake come in and go 2 and 15.. you are a Jake hater.. The future is bright.. They both will make Carr expendable. He better tighten up this year.. I haven't forgotten last year
😂you take take Jake seriously with those pictures!!! Homie looks SUS as hell!😂 when the game is on the line he looks like he will panic!! Hell Nahhhhhhh!!!!
Jake has to be the back up….because if Rattler becomes #2 …….”we’ll” be screaming to insert him in AS SOON AS CARR struggles….”we” don’t trust Jake so it’ll be easier to watch carr fall off a cliff ….
You are clueless if you think Rattler is the future. He was drafted in the 5th for a reason. The Saints gave two 4ths for Jake. You don’t have a clue what the hell you talking about.
@@JamesSkrmetta You don't have any. Go watch a real Podcast. In Nick Underhill's Podcase he said Jake looked very good in his OTA's as a rookie so the folks who make excuses for Rattler looking like shit in his OTA's because he is a rookie don't hold water.
It's his job to lose.. I believe Jake is going to surprise a lot of people.
i agree jake will jake next drew bress
There will never be another Drew Brees.
@@jebboirayboi you guys stuck on Brees and Payton… they weren’t that great, dude! Only one lucky SB unlike Brady, Manning, Mahomes. Those players are great… Brees was good that’s it!
@@johnfonseca8155no one cares what you think!!!!
@@johnfonseca8155Brees had some of the worst defenses of all time, still carried his team to the playoffs and lost, because of defense. Because when we lost to the 49ers, Seahawks, Vikings, that was Brees?? 😂 That man should have 3 super bowls.
We won’t even speak of the Rams playoff loss. The one year Brees had “decent” defense they won the superbowl (2009-2010) 😂
People seem to forget how good Jake was looking at the start of the year last year, but he got forgotten about after his suspension. He was a higher draft pick than Rattler, and it's his second year with the team so he's got some familiarity with the players and system.
I wish one of those guys could start and be phenomenal
Hopefully they keep developing
They (Dc) love Peterman because he’s like a QB1 manager. So Rattler or Haener would need to compete with each other for Qb2 by also learning how to be a selfless and able to manage Qb1. This would make Peterman expendable. Some QBs aspire only to be a Qb2. Chase Daniel is an example.
No doubt.
Great content my guy
Thanks my dude!
You have completely changed the way I look at the backup-QB position race on my team.
Nicely done, sir.
I appreciate that!
I think we will all know after preseason can’t remember the last time I’ve been so excited to watch preseason football 😅
lol true
💯 I liked Jake from last preseason
Another great video. I'm glad we have great competition in our QB Room. I'm so hyped for the Season James 🍻⚜
I am pumped!
Our defense is one of the best in the NFL. If Haener and Rattler can do well against them in team drills, then we know they most likely aren't going to be " bad" qbs. If they're dropping dimes against Shon, Alonte and Adebo, they're good.
Haener led Fresno St to 10+ wins once( might have been twice if not for injuries) same as Carr. He's got moxie and might turn into something.
I just don’t like or understand how people wrote off Jake because of 3 preseason games! Its insane to me 😂
Jake actually played well in two of those games and in fact he brought the Saints back in the preseason game in Kansas to defeat KC.
Reminds me of Ian Book RIP poor guy got thrown into the fire
Ian Book got got
@@JamesSkrmetta apparently he's with the chiefs now? But so is Carson Wentz
I believe what people are not understanding is that. They think QB2 means that will be the factor on who the franchise QB will be for the future. When as you said that is not really the case.
Now I am rooting for rattler in the long run to become the future franchise QB because of his story and the fact that he has or had first round talent. With Andrew and Kubiak being here it gives them the opportunity to try to maximize that out of him and make him a starter. However though, when they do try to maximize his talents and his genuinely not good and Haener is the better QB for the future I won’t be mad at it because we still get a good starting QB for the future. It’s a win if you’re saints fan and also a win for the organization🤷🏾.
I am rooting for Jake since he is 100% smarter and makes MUCH BETTER DECISIONS. JAKE IS THE FUTURE. RATTLER WILL BE A CAREER BACKUP..
Yeah the way people view the QB2 situation is a little off
I want them all to be great. I like Haener and Rattler. I think Carr can be good with the right ppl around him. Hopefully he’s better when he has to carry the team at points.
Same. I hope they all work out.
Rattler has better talent. Haener makes better decisions on the field. Take your pick honestly. Ive made it no secret Rattler is my guy.
Rattler is a rookie he will make better decisions with time I heard Caleb Williams had a horrible ota day
I think Jake has higher football IQ and reads defenses quicker
Bingo. Jake is extremely smart. Rattler doesn’t have a fraction of Jake’s intelligence.
Based on what? Your observations from their non-existent NFL records? You don't know either and you clearly didn't watch them in college.
Facts
@@miked8497 and ratt came from the Mannings....
@@israeldoe8000where do you get that from…..😂😂😂😂
I think Carr should come out playing with a chip on his shoulder to prove he's better than folks think. Carr is a good QB and doesn't get the respect he deserves
100%
If he's that good as I see in some of these comments, why did we need Carr?
It should read "could Spencer Rattler win the Saints backup QB from Jake Haener" Haener > Rattler
Preseason will reveal all. We should cut Peterman now. He's just taking snaps away from these two guys. Haener will get to run with the ones in preseason and that'll show us alot. Rattler will run with the twos
Peterman just another coach pretty much.
If the Saints does bad this year and goes 1-16 like you said all 3 QB’s would be gone because the new HC will get his own QB
Truth
False Steelers has the most polarizing QB room rn
Hard to argue with that
Good point tbh
Does it matter, neither will play on Sunday. We should focus on who suits up on Sunday. Too many holes on this team to worry about a backup QB
I'm willing to bet Carr plays a lot more in preseason this year...
I've said since the draft Haener will be the number 2 and Rattler the number 3.
For all the hate Petermen gets he's around for the summer to help Carr learn the new schemes faster.
Peterman is basically a QB coach in pads
Yes sir 👊😎
Good Lord you're not doing brother Nick any favors on that freeze frame 😂😂😂👊😎
I gotta get better on the freeze frames
Well, I'm pretty sure Haener right now has the QB2 spot. It's the default the Saints are working with. Rather, the question is: can Rattler win the qb2 spot from Haener?
Because he's the older. That's the only reason. Coaches have zero reason to disturb the standard hacking order which goes by seniority
@@exomake_mehorololo Of course it starts with seniority (year 2 with them vs a rookie). I called it "the default". But Haener has been doing well in the very limited amount we have seen publicly, and the onus is on Rattler to show he should beat out Jake, not the other way around. Rattler would win the role from Haener, not Haener from Rattler.
Qb is a big deal the motion of them not being starters Mahnomen came and made a difference
Jake Haener is better than Rattler and deserves to be the backup quarterback.
Rooting for jake only cause i hope they are developing rattler. I dont want rattler on the field till at least halfway through Carrs last year.
Yeah I don't want them to rush Rattler's development
hey no, if carr is injured enough I want the backup whoever to play, instead of carr being injured and us losing players and games.
I seen the study film on rattler, talent is there but decision making ability's maybe his kryptonite
Rattler needs a year or to develop and learn the playbook anyway.
100%
I’m kinda leaning into Spencer because his potential is through the roof but I also really like Jake as well knowing he grew up a saints fan and was a draft pick of ours. Either or id be very happy if Spencer or Jake took the job from carr because their home grown saints draft picks and not free agents. I’m just ready for a guy we drafted to be the QB1 and not someone from another team
Spencer is overhyped and overrated. What potential?? His RAS was the worse of the entire QB class at 2.5. His 40 time is slower than most 300 Lb lineman at 4.95. He got benched twice in college. What potential?
I'll just be peeved if Peterman is the QB2 when the season starts. If Carr gets dinged up and Haener/Rattler needs to finish out a game, then roll with that. The kid-gloves approach gets us nowhere.
Love that hat ⚜️⚜️⚜️
Who Dat!
“If you took a 12 month nap” 😂
Quick little snooze
Are either of the young guys ready to step in should Carr go down? If not, and assuming the Saints are still in the playoff hunt when Carr goes down, then they have to sign a veteran off the street, such as Flacco or whoever, in the middle of the season. He has to come in and try to learn the playbook and all that on short notice. If the team isn't confident in either guy, then they have to sign a veteran now to come in, so he can be ready to step in should there be the need. If you're Dennis Allen you're already on the hot seat. Don't get caught with your pants down by not having a capable backup quarterback in the fold who's ready to go.
I get the impression Peterman is there because Carr likes him. They've worked together in the past. I get all that, but if the Saints don't think Peterman can be that guy to save the season, then he needs to be out the door pronto. Bring in a veteran now, let him get acclimated, then cut him before the season if you still want to keep both young guys. Then, at least you have somebody on the back burner who already knows the playbook, etc., that you can call up from the couch in a pinch.
@MosheGoldbergTheKing If that's the case, then it would be better to go ahead and bring him in now so he can get acclimated. Maybe they like both the young guys. If they do, fine, but I'm just saying if they don't then now is the time to bring in the journeyman vet.
true
Thier both under cheap contracts, keep em both.
Right now we know little to nothing. Both need development. There is no plan to put either on the field this year. If Carr gets injured maybe either gets a chance but we don't know what that would look like.
All of this is true. Well said.
“I don’t feel like starting an Only Fans” 😂😂😂
lolol
So funny because you have to know ownership tendencies to answer that question. And the answer is NO. Unless Carr stinks it horrible , maybe but week 1 it will be Carr guaranteed .
2 senior bowl MVPs so it's a toss up.
We are dominating the Senior Bowl
I love your videos and will continue watching them. However, the discourse here seems overly anti-Haener. LOL
I like Haener! His willingness to take whatever supplement to get stronger and more diced is what life is all about.
No, he can’t
Sorry but jake is a better qb..
Possibly
Wouldn’t next year be Jake’s 3rd year in the nfl?
Yes
Jake is the future qb1 book it James
We'll see! If he is, I'll be rooting for him.
No stop it
Neither one of these guys are the future
This Kool-Aid drinking over Rattler is ridiculous.
No one is drafting 5th round QBs and developing them to be starters.
The guys that were taken in later rounds, who get their shot, are guys like Purdy and Cousins, who got their shots because of injuries to the starters.
This isn’t 1974.
I am sick and tired of the Rattler hype and the disrespect for Jake Haener. Haener is a hard worker who is very accurate, has a strong enough arm and is extremely smart. Jake is the future and he will work his tail off to prove it.
Pederman is garbage on the field. His only value is as a clipboard holder/cheerleader. You only keep him if Haener sucks rocks and you want to keep Pederman to protect Rattler if Carr goes down.
Yeah Peterman is just a risk free guy
Just admit you don't like haener .we all know you dont
Flag football goat
Lol
I respect Haener willing to risk it all to be strong.
Nah, Rattler will get it. He played against better competition in college, and it will show. Jake was just a pick to make Carr comfortable with no competition in the room. Rattler will push him with the help of the new coaches. Watch out! No conference like the SEC.
No,,, I've been listening to you.. you are a Jake hater.. I listen.. just like you said if Carr gets hurt and Jake come in and go 2 and 15.. you are a Jake hater.. The future is bright.. They both will make Carr expendable. He better tighten up this year.. I haven't forgotten last year
Glad you’re calling the shots
We picked a Heisman contender in the 5th round
He was never a Heisman contender my friend. Wishful thinking
😂you take take Jake seriously with those pictures!!! Homie looks SUS as hell!😂 when the game is on the line he looks like he will panic!! Hell Nahhhhhhh!!!!
I’m not comparing him to Brady but no one would’ve thought tom brady would’ve won 7 rings on his draft day pics
Right I watch the few games he played in preseason he folds under pressure
Jake has to be the back up….because if Rattler becomes #2 …….”we’ll” be screaming to insert him in AS SOON AS CARR struggles….”we” don’t trust Jake so it’ll be easier to watch carr fall off a cliff ….
Rattler will be lucky to make the practice squad.
You are clueless if you think Rattler is the future. He was drafted in the 5th for a reason. The Saints gave two 4ths for Jake. You don’t have a clue what the hell you talking about.
we only drafted haener because of the connection to derek carr. yall dumb carr cultists need to go back to watch the raiders
I have all the clues pal
@@JamesSkrmetta You don't have any. Go watch a real Podcast. In Nick Underhill's Podcase he said Jake looked very good in his OTA's as a rookie so the folks who make excuses for Rattler looking like shit in his OTA's because he is a rookie don't hold water.
you never truly know Carr could get hurt and jake or rattler come in and ball out look at brock purdy situation
I got trashed for taking rattler overcoming carr getting hurt first 5 games everybody was watching Saint draft this year saints Need a franchise qb
Jake Haener will beat out Spencer Rattler. There is a reason, why most NFL teams did not want Rattler.
Was there a reason why most teams passed on Haener?