Красавцы без разговоров, так выверенно и технично забивать и разыгровать могла только красная машина. Они подняли планку так высоко, что и близко до них с тех пор никто не дотягивает. Слава хоккею СССР!
Their record vs. Canada's top teams is about even despite the advantages Canada had in most games. If the 87 tournament was played in the USSR, you think Canada would have had an easy time without all those advantages?
The time has come for an NHL-KHL All-Star game every February and the NHL-champion vs. the KHL-champion best-4-of-7 series every June 20 in New York and Moscow with the winner receiving the astronaut Neil Armstrong Cup.
Well watch the game. It was relatively clean (except the bad cheapshot on Krutov); there were not as many bad calls or bad no calls. Koharski was more objective; for example, he did not allow a Canadian goal that was kicked in. But still the Soviets had more penalties in this game, so they were just better using their power play chances...
Well maybe it was you who went there to add some stuff to then quote yourself... Yes anyone can edit, but since it is English Wikipedia it is mostly edited by Canadians or Americans. Maybe I will go to that article to edit, like I did for other hockey related articles...
I guess Canada had amateurs in the 79 Challenge Cup... If you want to be selective, there have only been 5 tournaments where both the USSR and Canada played with their best against each other. All of the tournaments were in North America, except one half of the series in 72. The Soviets won two convincingly in blowouts. Canada won three very close ones with dirty play and/or favorable officiating.
Great game, I guss the CCCR would have won if it was played in Russia - but it wasn't ;-) Anyway, both teams seem to have deserved the victory after all 3 games...
I'd even say that two incredible teams had proven they are essentially equal. I don't care who won the series. Watching such an ice hockey is delicious.
Post-Soviet Russia is mostly a failure, but in best on best games vs. Canada the team is still 1W-2L (if including a cheap Canadian win in the 96 World Cup where the referee had to change some rules for a Russian goal not to count).
Well the Super Series did not have the Soviet national team either, just two Soviet club teams. We went over this but you still don't get it. The Flyers were not the best that year (lost 4-0 in the final series to Montreal). And again, if you want to be proud of the way they won over CSKA, be so ignorant then.
So the Soviet coach started a brawl knowing that he will get fired for it, just so that Canada would not get a medal in a junior tournament?? There was a fight already on the ice and the Soviet coach was yelling that one of the players who had a dislocated shoulder needed help. Then some Soviet players unexpectedly left the bench to help, but the fight on the ice was started by Canadians as usual. And Canada was not on track to win the gold, as it needed many more goals to have a chance.
I am not questioning facts, but how they are presented. A Soviet player may have elbowed in the beginning, but it does not mean he started first. Again you don't know how Wikipedia works. An article usually has a bias in favor of someone or something, depending on who is editing it.
So it was only the Soviets who had a discipline problem? They were supposed to ignore the agitation and dirty play by Fleury and others. Considering that team Canada was already involved in a brawl in a previous game and the way Canadians traditionally play, it is hard to imagine that the Soviets started the dirty play...
Well that explains everything... If you watched back in 87 then you don't remember most of the stuff. And what controversy could have been there at that time in Canada, if it was all about "go Canada go"? I guess putting on a bear hug or crosschecking to the back is what distinguishes hockey from bandy? Again only in your world... You can make your own video about how the Soviets played and then we can compare.
You can't even read the article you brought up? Fleury taunting the Soviets shows what kind of a player he was and the things Canada was doing in the game. So saying that the Soviets started the dirty play and the fighting is silly.
Who programmed me then? All you can say is "look there was no call for the hook on Bourque so it evens out", when that "hook" is the only thing you can think of and is far from a good example to prove your point.
Yes I know that you are very proud of players cheapshotting and attempting to injure. We already went through this. As for Montreal, they played better on their home ice and it was only one game. In the end, they did not play better enough to win.
While post-Soviet Moscow is not the friendliest of places, it would not surprise me that you were not so friendly... Also what does this have to do with hockey, I don't know.... You were trying to make a point with this?
No I don't live in Uzbekistan anymore... So you are implying that I need a university degree to make statements based on observations or historical sources?
And you get your facts from Wikipedia and then misrepresent what is written there... You missed the description of the game before the brawl or the fact that Canada was already involved in another brawl in the tournament. So you think that Fleury, given his history, did not play a key role in starting the brawl? Read what he did when he scored a goal. Canada was leading 4-2, not nearly enough to win gold.
This is not about "human beings doing a job", but about clearly biased officials. Again, you can't say that I am whining because I am presenting proof.
So now one has to know how to skate to see if officiating is biased or not. You may know more about Russia than an average North American, but based on what you have said so far it still does not seem to be much...
These are empty words... Great teams don't need favorable officiating and other advantages to barely squeeze out a win. If it was a deserving win for Canada I would not have said anything.
best on best game = Canada has its best players and it does not matter if the other team does, game is played in Canada with NHL rules and rink size, and the referee is a "competent and honest" NHL professional (preferably Canadian). You talk about Soviet/Russian fans, but Canadian fans like you live in their own world...
Actually in the KHL it can get very rough, mostly thanks to minor league Canadians... So hooking, holding, crosschecking, headshots, diving are allowed in the NHL? No this is not allowed, even back then. I did prove the poor officiating in my other video, and like I said only Canadian homers disagree with me.
My statement is that you have not shown yourself to be informed. Much of what Canada was getting away with was called back then. Of course the Soviets were often called for what was not being called then and for what is not even being called now...
Uzbekistan was part of the USSR, if you did not know that... You may have watched more hockey than me but that is irrelevant, as you did not watch this game more than me. What is arrogant is you claiming to know more about this game even though you only watched it in 1987...
So you actually think that you seeing the game way back then is enough for you to make a judgment? Or that this makes you more knowledgeable than me when it comes to this game, even though I watched this game over and over? How silly...
Because the game was officiated in a shamelessly one-sided way... A fair number of calls/no-calls going against Canada? Yes but that "fair number" can't compare to the one for the Soviets. Let the players play? Well why did he then call soft penalties on the Soviets?
With your dumb comments you have not shown that you know more than me. I don't base what I said on just clips. I watched that game against CSKA and read enough on the Flyers. The general view is that the way they played is not respected. Don't tell me that hockey fans were not happy when they got swept by Montreal.
Again don't start discussing something you know little about... Much of Western Ukraine was not even part of the USSR before the war... And I did not say that many Canadian Ukrainians were members of the congress, just that the congress reflected their views.
You don't even know what Wikipedia really is... It is you who is on something here. I always get the feeling that you are at least half drunk when posting here... Stay on topic and be civil or I will have to block you.
Well at least you are not equating Stalin and Hitler... Those non-Soviet Ukrainian partisans spent more time fighting the Soviet Army and Partisans than they did the Germans.
The name calling and cheap shots are mostly coming from you. You were implying that I am a skinhead or Russian nationalist. I am not an ethnic Russian, even partially, so you don't know what you are talking about...
I told you I only block those who obsessively flame and babble off topic. Let's see here, you went from the 87 games to insults towards me and Russia, to skinheads, to nationalism, to Stalin, to your supposed history degree, to your sex tourism... Enough of this; take a few weeks off from here.
No because Canadians cannot be objective about hockey. So all you hear is how good your players are. But when your team finishes 7th in the Olympics or gets blown out in a final, you people are shocked and start looking for excuses. If team Canada was always as good as you people believe, why did they need the help of officials to barely win a home tournament?
Koharski is most likely Ukrainian. You talking about logic in an argument? How odd... You have went off topic here a long time ago with your illogical and silly statements. The Ukrainian Canadian Congress is very nationalist, so don't tell me that I am making it up.
What does Asian DNA have to do with this silly? Ukrainian Canadians are often nationalists when it comes to Russia and the USSR (especially the families of former nazi collaborators who emigrated after WWII). Koharski was maybe one of those... So you were going there as a sex tourist, just like I thought...
Propaganda ruled and still rules in Canada, since you seem to not be able to get past it yet. You think that for every bad call or no call against the Soviets there is one against Canada? That is a wrong assertion, not even close. Watch the game again.
It is not a matter of survival if you volunteer to fight alongside the enemy or work for them, especially when you take part in war crimes (Ukrainian partisans, police, SS division). You need to learn history, and not from the Ukrainian nationalists...
A poor loser constantly whines and makes accusations? You see me doing that? Again, I back up what I say. And I am also used to ignorant Canadian fans not looking at things objectively.
I have been to Canada and there are much less black people there than in New York, so that obviously means Canadians are much more racist... (going by your logic) Let me guess, in Russia you started saying that the country sucks in hockey and got slapped around? Until recently the KHL had names written in Russian so I doubt you could have read those.
For some reason I don't believe you when you say that you can read Russian... And speaking of Uzbeks, I did not see one Uzbek when I was in Canada, so I conclude that Canada is a racist country...
Uzbeks are Turkic people, not Mongolian... Maybe you can read some Russian from the Ukrainian you learned in school, maybe you are lying. It does not really matter... Did the Canadian Ukrainians also teach you to hate Russians?
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amongst the all time great games.
Красавцы без разговоров, так выверенно и технично забивать и разыгровать могла только красная машина. Они подняли планку так высоко, что и близко до них с тех пор никто не дотягивает. Слава хоккею СССР!
Their record vs. Canada's top teams is about even despite the advantages Canada had in most games.
If the 87 tournament was played in the USSR, you think Canada would have had an easy time without all those advantages?
The time has come for an NHL-KHL All-Star game every February and the NHL-champion vs. the KHL-champion best-4-of-7 series every June 20 in New York and Moscow with the winner receiving the astronaut Neil Armstrong Cup.
No cup Gagarin
You are doing a good job backing up my statement...
Well watch the game. It was relatively clean (except the bad cheapshot on Krutov); there were not as many bad calls or bad no calls. Koharski was more objective; for example, he did not allow a Canadian goal that was kicked in.
But still the Soviets had more penalties in this game, so they were just better using their power play chances...
This series was unusual, this happens during summer of 1987.
@SuperSultan1988
Kasatonov was your coach?
Well maybe it was you who went there to add some stuff to then quote yourself...
Yes anyone can edit, but since it is English Wikipedia it is mostly edited by Canadians or Americans.
Maybe I will go to that article to edit, like I did for other hockey related articles...
и у кого то ещё язык поворачивается упрекать сборную ссср, что она на олимпиадах выигрывала из за отсутствия там нхловцев
I did not say that they "were so skilled" on the powerplay, just that they did well converting on their fewer chances.
He means the Super Series of 76 (CSKA, Soviet Wings vs NHL).
No I am not as biased as you, simply because I know hockey both from the North American perspective and the Soviet/Russian one.
That was game two and was not interference. We discussed this already.
It was you who chose to mention only the parts of the article that support your claim, and I told you about the parts you "missed".
I guess Canada had amateurs in the 79 Challenge Cup...
If you want to be selective, there have only been 5 tournaments where both the USSR and Canada played with their best against each other. All of the tournaments were in North America, except one half of the series in 72. The Soviets won two convincingly in blowouts. Canada won three very close ones with dirty play and/or favorable officiating.
If they played like the Flyers of the 70s, many of their players would be sitting in the box most of the time or in the stands due to suspensions.
And for anyone who is not a blind Canadian fan, it is obvious that the officials had something to do with the outcome.
СССР-forever!!!
Wikipedia can be edited by anyone silly. In case of that article, it is probably edited mostly by Canadians so it has a Canadian bias.
Hey Unnamed00 where you been the last 10 years? Still among the living?
This is not the place where people would be agreeing with me, since it is about game one's goals; go to my other video.
Great game, I guss the CCCR would have won if it was played in Russia - but it wasn't ;-)
Anyway, both teams seem to have deserved the victory after all 3 games...
I'd even say that two incredible teams had proven they are essentially equal. I don't care who won the series. Watching such an ice hockey is delicious.
The 74 team was still very good.
Canada Cup 76 did not have the best Soviet team, how many times do we have to go over this?
What? I meant the Canada-Russia game in the 1996 World Cup.
Post-Soviet Russia is mostly a failure, but in best on best games vs. Canada the team is still 1W-2L (if including a cheap Canadian win in the 96 World Cup where the referee had to change some rules for a Russian goal not to count).
Well the Super Series did not have the Soviet national team either, just two Soviet club teams.
We went over this but you still don't get it.
The Flyers were not the best that year (lost 4-0 in the final series to Montreal). And again, if you want to be proud of the way they won over CSKA, be so ignorant then.
So the Soviet coach started a brawl knowing that he will get fired for it, just so that Canada would not get a medal in a junior tournament?? There was a fight already on the ice and the Soviet coach was yelling that one of the players who had a dislocated shoulder needed help. Then some Soviet players unexpectedly left the bench to help, but the fight on the ice was started by Canadians as usual.
And Canada was not on track to win the gold, as it needed many more goals to have a chance.
I am not questioning facts, but how they are presented. A Soviet player may have elbowed in the beginning, but it does not mean he started first.
Again you don't know how Wikipedia works. An article usually has a bias in favor of someone or something, depending on who is editing it.
Well everyone lives in their own world, but it is a matter of how much that world is away from reality...
How many times do I have to tell you that Canada not sending all their best players was their own problem.
So it was only the Soviets who had a discipline problem? They were supposed to ignore the agitation and dirty play by Fleury and others. Considering that team Canada was already involved in a brawl in a previous game and the way Canadians traditionally play, it is hard to imagine that the Soviets started the dirty play...
Well that explains everything... If you watched back in 87 then you don't remember most of the stuff. And what controversy could have been there at that time in Canada, if it was all about "go Canada go"?
I guess putting on a bear hug or crosschecking to the back is what distinguishes hockey from bandy? Again only in your world...
You can make your own video about how the Soviets played and then we can compare.
You can't even read the article you brought up?
Fleury taunting the Soviets shows what kind of a player he was and the things Canada was doing in the game. So saying that the Soviets started the dirty play and the fighting is silly.
Who programmed me then?
All you can say is "look there was no call for the hook on Bourque so it evens out", when that "hook" is the only thing you can think of and is far from a good example to prove your point.
What does the state of current Russian hockey have to do with the topic?
Koharski was not as bad in this game as he was in game 3.
Yes, but I am not as biased as some of you say...
What the hell are you talking about?
Who said they came back out only because they were not going to get paid?
Коharski cup)))
The same Slovakia Canada almost blew a 3-0 lead to?
And again this is about the USSR in 1987, not current Russia.
Don't tell me that the fight in 87 was provoked by the Soviets...
And you probably can't tell if it is a Russian or a Canadian fighting in the KHL.
And what facts do I have wrong? That Canada had home ice, home rules, home officials, that its players hooked, held, crosschecked... ?
Yes I know that you are very proud of players cheapshotting and attempting to injure. We already went through this.
As for Montreal, they played better on their home ice and it was only one game. In the end, they did not play better enough to win.
So?
While post-Soviet Moscow is not the friendliest of places, it would not surprise me that you were not so friendly... Also what does this have to do with hockey, I don't know.... You were trying to make a point with this?
Look who is talking...
No I don't live in Uzbekistan anymore...
So you are implying that I need a university degree to make statements based on observations or historical sources?
CCCP lost with Canada in CC76 1:3. Only Czechoslovakia beat Canada 1:0 in CC76 in round robin,later lost finals 0:6,4:5 with Canada.
where is IRBE??/???
Maybe in Latvia?
And you get your facts from Wikipedia and then misrepresent what is written there... You missed the description of the game before the brawl or the fact that Canada was already involved in another brawl in the tournament. So you think that Fleury, given his history, did not play a key role in starting the brawl? Read what he did when he scored a goal.
Canada was leading 4-2, not nearly enough to win gold.
This is not about "human beings doing a job", but about clearly biased officials. Again, you can't say that I am whining because I am presenting proof.
Yes you are not sure because you don't want to see.
So now one has to know how to skate to see if officiating is biased or not.
You may know more about Russia than an average North American, but based on what you have said so far it still does not seem to be much...
You brought up your trip to Russia out of nowhere. I guess only to flame the country and its fans?
These are empty words...
Great teams don't need favorable officiating and other advantages to barely squeeze out a win.
If it was a deserving win for Canada I would not have said anything.
best on best game = Canada has its best players and it does not matter if the other team does, game is played in Canada with NHL rules and rink size, and the referee is a "competent and honest" NHL professional (preferably Canadian).
You talk about Soviet/Russian fans, but Canadian fans like you live in their own world...
Actually in the KHL it can get very rough, mostly thanks to minor league Canadians...
So hooking, holding, crosschecking, headshots, diving are allowed in the NHL? No this is not allowed, even back then.
I did prove the poor officiating in my other video, and like I said only Canadian homers disagree with me.
My statement is that you have not shown yourself to be informed.
Much of what Canada was getting away with was called back then. Of course the Soviets were often called for what was not being called then and for what is not even being called now...
Nobody would care for them during the playoffs.
The NHL stops for the Olympics, why could not they at least sometimes stop for the WCs?
Russians collaborated also but not to the extend Western Ukrainians did.
Uzbekistan was part of the USSR, if you did not know that...
You may have watched more hockey than me but that is irrelevant, as you did not watch this game more than me. What is arrogant is you claiming to know more about this game even though you only watched it in 1987...
How am I grumpy? That is you actually...
So you just randomly met a nice Russian girl... Well don't chase her away with your grumpiness.
So you actually think that you seeing the game way back then is enough for you to make a judgment? Or that this makes you more knowledgeable than me when it comes to this game, even though I watched this game over and over? How silly...
Well yes opinions are not facts, but some are based on facts...
Because the game was officiated in a shamelessly one-sided way...
A fair number of calls/no-calls going against Canada? Yes but that "fair number" can't compare to the one for the Soviets.
Let the players play? Well why did he then call soft penalties on the Soviets?
With your dumb comments you have not shown that you know more than me. I don't base what I said on just clips. I watched that game against CSKA and read enough on the Flyers. The general view is that the way they played is not respected. Don't tell me that hockey fans were not happy when they got swept by Montreal.
I don't know about you but I don't have a problem with hypocrisy.
Again don't start discussing something you know little about...
Much of Western Ukraine was not even part of the USSR before the war...
And I did not say that many Canadian Ukrainians were members of the congress, just that the congress reflected their views.
Well again you are being grumpy....
You don't even know what Wikipedia really is...
It is you who is on something here. I always get the feeling that you are at least half drunk when posting here...
Stay on topic and be civil or I will have to block you.
Why does my educational background or ability to play hockey matter here? You are just going more and more off topic.
Well at least you are not equating Stalin and Hitler...
Those non-Soviet Ukrainian partisans spent more time fighting the Soviet Army and Partisans than they did the Germans.
The name calling and cheap shots are mostly coming from you.
You were implying that I am a skinhead or Russian nationalist.
I am not an ethnic Russian, even partially, so you don't know what you are talking about...
I told you I only block those who obsessively flame and babble off topic.
Let's see here, you went from the 87 games to insults towards me and Russia, to skinheads, to nationalism, to Stalin, to your supposed history degree, to your sex tourism...
Enough of this; take a few weeks off from here.
No because Canadians cannot be objective about hockey. So all you hear is how good your players are. But when your team finishes 7th in the Olympics or gets blown out in a final, you people are shocked and start looking for excuses.
If team Canada was always as good as you people believe, why did they need the help of officials to barely win a home tournament?
You are not debating but senselessly flaming, being way off topic, and wasting my time.
I was saying that if you were mistreated or whatever in Moscow, your behavior was probably not proper also.
Not quite truthful...
Koharski is most likely Ukrainian.
You talking about logic in an argument? How odd... You have went off topic here a long time ago with your illogical and silly statements.
The Ukrainian Canadian Congress is very nationalist, so don't tell me that I am making it up.
They came to play real hockey, not crap animal hockey that most hate.
Why is the NHL banning that Flyers type hockey of which you are so proud of?
The Stanley Cup is not most important for many Europeans. You are making uninformed statements again...
You call it propaganda because you can't swallow it.
You may have a degree in history, just not hockey or Eastern European history...
What does Asian DNA have to do with this silly?
Ukrainian Canadians are often nationalists when it comes to Russia and the USSR (especially the families of former nazi collaborators who emigrated after WWII). Koharski was maybe one of those...
So you were going there as a sex tourist, just like I thought...
Well you are not certain again? Probably you are lost as usual.
Far more informed?? Again you have shown exactly the opposite.
Why do Canadians all say exactly the same thing? Are you people programmed to do so?
This is just another myth among the Canadians.
And you know close to nothing, mostly silly stereotypes.
Propaganda ruled and still rules in Canada, since you seem to not be able to get past it yet.
You think that for every bad call or no call against the Soviets there is one against Canada? That is a wrong assertion, not even close. Watch the game again.
So it is the Europeans who brought it? Nice silly theory. You have to say at least something really dumb once a week.
It is not a matter of survival if you volunteer to fight alongside the enemy or work for them, especially when you take part in war crimes (Ukrainian partisans, police, SS division). You need to learn history, and not from the Ukrainian nationalists...
A poor loser constantly whines and makes accusations?
You see me doing that? Again, I back up what I say.
And I am also used to ignorant Canadian fans not looking at things objectively.
So now I am a skinhead?? You are continuing to make stupid assumptions about me and Russia.
And my grandfather was Uzbek, you idiot.
I have been to Canada and there are much less black people there than in New York, so that obviously means Canadians are much more racist... (going by your logic)
Let me guess, in Russia you started saying that the country sucks in hockey and got slapped around?
Until recently the KHL had names written in Russian so I doubt you could have read those.
For some reason I don't believe you when you say that you can read Russian...
And speaking of Uzbeks, I did not see one Uzbek when I was in Canada, so I conclude that Canada is a racist country...
we all know that soviet was the best team in the world
Uzbeks are Turkic people, not Mongolian...
Maybe you can read some Russian from the Ukrainian you learned in school, maybe you are lying. It does not really matter...
Did the Canadian Ukrainians also teach you to hate Russians?