Red And Green Patinas On Copper Jewelry
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In this video, Professor John Ahr of the Online Jewelry Academy demonstrates how to apply both red and green patinas to your copper projects.
All you need to create a red patina is boiling water and a super heated piece of copper. Safety equipment like tongs and safety glasses are also required. Making a green patina is a little more involved. It requires: ammonia, course salt, sawdust (or a similar material), plastic bags and/or a a container with a tight sealing top, and a non-absorbant support.
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Love the SAFETY FIRST prioritization here! Great job!!🎉
Glad you liked the video. Thanks for watching! 😺
Thank you for making the process so accessible. Your videos are extremely informative and show so many of the "missing" details I don't find in other online videos. Your explanation and demonstration of the use of the torch and borax was especially helpful. I'm not so intimidated by the process anymore. Thanks again and I'll continue to refer to your videos as I explore the world of silver casting. Please continue the great work.
Hey Paul, I'm happy to hear that the OJA videos have helped you to gain the confidence you need. I aim to be the teacher that I always wanted. I'm glad that my approach works for you. Good luck with your projects.
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Hi, John! Wonderfully detailed instruction and beautiful patinas! Thank you:)
Hi Laurie, I'm glad that you enjoyed the video. Be sure to check out the OJA's website for more videos on patinas and ways to color metal surfaces. You can find the complete playlist at: www.onlinejewelryacademy.com
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How the heck did I miss this great video John...thank you for great advice..love you always x
Hey Joyce, Glad you liked the video. Be sure to visit the OJA's website at: www.onlinejewelryacademy.com It's organized so that it's easy to find videos that interest you.
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these tutorials are awesome. I don't even make jewelry, i like to customize my pocket knives, and I've been able to use several of your tutorials on scales and stuff to make my knives look a lot better. Thanks for making them!
Glad to hear that you’re finding the information in the videos helpful. Thanks for watching! 😀
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I loved your entire video!! Thank you very much! 👍😉
Hi Irlys, I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
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John, the red patina is a new one to me, it's gorgeous! I think I'll make a few charcoal blocks from different types of wood to see if that changes the color any! Thanks so much for the video!
Glad you were inspired by the video to try something new. Have fun exploring red copper patina. 😀
saturate your water with Borax and you will get a brighter red. Japanese patina called Hido.
Hi Wendy, I'll have to try that. Thanks for the tip.
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Very cool tip thanks!
Very nice tutorial,
Thank you for sharing. Good information.
Thank you for showing a red. I got a green from vinegar salt and blue from vinegar salt and ammonia- had not seen red! Awesome!
Glad you liked the video. Thanks for watching! 😀. The red piece is very soft. You’ll see when you make one.
@@OnlineJewelryAcademy Right, It is no longer work hardened. I guess a few smacks on the tabletop (not enough to mar) could help a bit.
@@picklesnoutpenobscott3165 Work hardening the red copper is a challenge. That’s why I only use it for decorative elements. But a few blows with a plastic or rubber hammer might help.
I find the red always appears when I heat it and just quench it in cold water. I dont think it has to boil. It looks red almost lots glowing even when it has stopped glowing. I have not tried quenching it in a boiling water.
@@OnlineJewelryAcademy challenge how? Is it more brittle?
Very interesting.👍🏼👍🏼
Thanks for the info.
Glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for watching!😀
Super video. Thanks
Glad you enjoyed the video. The OJA has other videos on patination in its playlist at: www.onlinejewelryacademy.com I hope you'll check them out sometime.
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Thx for the video it was super helpful.
I'm so glad that you enjoyed the video. The OJA also has videos on how to patina silver. Check them out. You might like them too. : )
Nice and useful video I sent it to my students to take advantage of it Your channel is wonderful and useful, it offers distinct ideas Dr. Karam Massad, Professor of Jewelry Design / Egypt
Glad you liked the video enough to share it with your students. Thanks for watching! 😀
Great video.
Thanks! Glad you liked the video. Thanks for watching! 😀
excellent your tutororial u are de best
Hi Tere, I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Thank you for the compliment.
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Love it !
Minh Nhat Cool! Glad you're getting inspired. Thanks for watching. : )
John R! Thank you for your videos. It is wonderful, when an instructor is willing to put valuable information out for all of us folks that are learning the trade to see and use. Question: After the different patina's are applied, is it okay to tumble the metal bracelet to work harden the piece, or will that affect the patina?
Thank you for the compliment and high praise. And, thanks for the great question. You should tumble metal items before you apply a patina to them. If you place a patinated item in the tumbler, the shot and burnishing solution will clean off the patina. Be sure to wax over the patina in order to preserve it. Thanks for watching! : )
great information thank you
Hi Matt, Glad you liked the video. We have more information on patinas and color on our website at: www.onlinejewelryacademy.com
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ok thank you i will check that out
Mahalo for all. Love how you covered ALL bases. just stumbled on to this video and I'll be checking out the rest of your videos too. I would love one day to make this deep purple patina w slight rainbow effect to my copper pieces. Still learning. One question. Can you do the same piece over again? Would that create a darker color or? Mahalo and aloha for your time doing these videos.
Unfortunately, repeating the patination steps shown in this video on the same piece will not produce a darker result. I recommend that you experiment with your supplies and equipment to learn how to improve your chances of getting the color you want. I'm glad that you discovered the OJA. Be sure to subscribe to our channel. And, visit us on our website at: www.onlinejewelryacademy.com
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Very, very informative. These are great videos, thanks for taking the time to do them. I like the indepth explanations & reasons you give. I did not know that car wax had anti-oxidant properties which would reverse patina effects.
Keep at it!
Hunter Lawrence
Thanks for the compliments. Yes, car wax isn't good to use on patinated items. You can go cheap with a paste wax for wood. Or, you can spend a little more on the microcrystaline wax used by the pros. Have fun! And, thanks for watching! : )
Hi John, I stumbled onto your video while I was researching doing a patina on a copper.... e-cigarette device.. Odd I know, sounds weird, but we vapers enjoy the more lovely things in life as well. I am currently waiting as my first patina is in the works right now, and maybe a little trick you could try on your copper bowl, is to lightly sprinkle some salt onto the object itself, after spraying it lightly with ammonia directly. It comes out in a very vibrant spotted design that is unique to every thing you do it to. It might be something you want to try at some point, it could add even more depth to your already beautiful work. Just figured I'd leave you a message, hopefully you look into it, I don't think you'll be disappointed.
Thank you for your suggestion. I'll check it out. Glad you stumbled upon the Online Jewelry Academy. Thanks for watching. : )
Here's how my patina came out if you're interested to see how that technique comes out. fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10505507_10154284623590567_2640562857750728810_n.jpg
Looks good! Thanks for sharing the pic.
TheVapist Hey there, Vapist ~ beautiful!
Looking for ways to age my copper mod too. But trying to achieve the old penny look instead going green/blue patina. Any ideas?
Hi John, I use a lot of stone and gem's in my work. Can I still use the bag and bowl method without damaging my stones? I must say you have a very good line of video's. I watch everyone of them. Thank You so much I really have learned a lot from you.
+Patricia Johnson
Hi Patricia! I'm so happy to hear that you've been watching our videos. I'm glad that they have helped you to expand your creative side. The quick answer to your question is that the fumigation method can damage some stones depending on their chemical makeup. Most stones will be just fine. But, if you are concerned, patina the piece without the stone in place. Or, try masking the stone with paste wax to inhibit the fumes in the chamber from reacting with the stone. Like I said though, most stones will be just fine going through the process.
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Hi John, I subscribed months ago. After the 1st video I watched.
Hi Patricia,
That's wonderful. I'm so glad you did.
I love these techniques, and am entertaining the idea of an ammonia based patina as well. What i haven’t found addressed a lot though is safe disposal of the highly corrosive mixture of ammonia and salt. What do you do after you’re done with the liquid solution?
Sirena Sparks I generally toss it into my bucket full of clay cat litter that I keep around for disposing of spent pickle. The ammonia will evaporate. And the salt drys out with the clay. So, you can throw away some salty clay cat litter in the trash. 😉
OnlineJewelryAcademy wonderful, thank you!
I love your videos...you are so clear and concise. So sorry so many of your videos were lost, I refer back to your videos all the time. I have a question about pickle recipes. In a previous video you showed how to clean brass with a vinegar and salt pickle and I have the recipe for that. Does this work when soldering? I work with copper, brass and silver.
Okay, found the brass cleaner (not what I remembered) so I am going to keep looking. Thanks...
Great question! Any acidic solution will eventually clean a metal surface. The vinegar and salt pickle you referred to is a very slow acting pickle. You need something with more aggressive chemistry to effectively clean copper, brass and silver after a soldering operation. I recommend that you switch to a pickle pot filled with 1/4 cup Sodium BiSulfate and water. You can get the Sodium BiSulfate at any pool/spa supply store. Be sure to vent the pickle pot and neutralize any spills with baking soda. And, use tongs to remove items. Brass might sometimes look pink after a bath in this pickle. It requires a secondary bath in a mixture of 3% Hydrogen Peroxide and a "dash" of Sodium Bisulfate. This will remove the pink copper from the surface of the brass. Be sure to handle all chemicals properly and dispose of them according to all applicable laws. Thanks for watching! : ) BTW, we have all of our videos back online.
Great video! I'd like to try this on a piece I'm making. If I don't like it, can't I use some steel wool to start over again?
SoulfulVeg Even easier than scrubbing with steel wool, you just pickle the piece. : )
@@OnlineJewelryAcademy thanks! 😍
@@SoulfulVeg white vinegar and salt work real good for cleaning copper and brass
@@jeanninemorelli-cary927 thanks!😍
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I’m glad you’re enjoying the OJA’s videos. Unfortunately, we have stopped making new videos. Perhaps you can find another source for the information you desire. 😀
Thank you ☺️❤️🤟🏻 what gauge are those links 18 ?
Glad you liked the video. Thanks for watching! 😀
Thank you for the tutorial! Only I did not understand how to make the copper the colors which are on your thumbnail. Also I wonder is it even safe to make such alterations, is there any health hazard in the ammonia-treated products? I assume if they are on skin or one puts a food product in the bowl, it might affect health?
The colors are created using heat treatment and fumigation methods. We highly recommend that you keep your studio tools, including work bowls, separate from your kitchen equipment. I recommend that you watch our safety video in which we address this issue. 🙃
Love the videos. But I am looking to make a deep blue patina. Any suggestions? Thank you!
Evelyn Sadovsky Sure! Many hardware stores sell copper oxidizers in a variety of colors. Or, I'm sure you could order from an on-line supplier. Be sure to apply to a grease free surface and follow the manufacturer"s instructions. Plus, follow all safety precautions. I'm sure you'll be able to create the color that you desire. Good luck. And, thanks for watching! : )
Thank you!
Hi, that very helpful thanks, but the salt is specific one or is it the ordinary one we cook with? Thnaks
Hi Sonia, You can use ordinary table salt to create your fumigation chamber. Glad you liked the video.
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Thanks
really grateful for your prompt answers
How easy is this patina to clean off of copper? I've got a copper e-cigarette that needs to be untarnished along the battery contacts for conductivity so could I patina the whole piece and then clean the contacts or would it be a pain to take off?
+Daniel Kadera
Hi Daniel, I've never worked on an e-cigarette. So, I don't know exactly how to advise you to complete your project. The patinas are merely a layer of colored oxidation. They are easy to remove with fire, abrasion or chemicals. Like I said, I've never worked on an e-cigarette. So, I don't know what to recommend in terms of a particular approach. I suggest that you run a few experiments before you potentially damage your e-cigarette.
Thanks for watching! : )
What kind of touch are you using? I purchased a butane torch and when I turned it down on the piece it shut off because the liquid ran down to where the gas is?
Hi Kimbrella, I use a number of different torches in the various OJA videos. The one that I use most often is a butane torch. The OJA does not endorse any particular manufacturer. But, if you buy a butane torch, look for one that can produce temperatures over 1500 degrees. Some versions for kitchens do not get that hot. If your torch is leaking fuel, you need to not light it and return it for a replacement/refund. It's not safe to operate it if it's leaking. Good luck with your work.
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Hi, I was wondering, if I use wax on original copper, will it prevent the time tarnishing? if not what could I use to keep the copper it's original colour? (varnish?)
thank you, I love your videos :)
Thank you for your excellent question. Preventing copper from oxidizing is virtually impossible. It just takes a few hours in the sun for a clean piece of copper to begin to turn brown. But if you want to preserve the reddish pink color of a piece of copper, here is what I would suggest. First, clean the piece thoroughly. You must get all grime and oil off of the piece (this includes the oil from your fingers). Second, dry the piece quickly and thoroughly so that you don't develop any water stains on the copper surface. Next, thin down some shellack with paint thinner until it is as thin as water. Then, dip your piece in the shellack and allow the excess to drip off. You may want to dab at the drip areas so as to prevent them from developing into a bump. If this process is too much to handle, check in your area for a plater that does E coating. Good luck with your projects and thanks for watching! ; )
OnlineJewelryAcademy THank you I will try this technique it is very helpful :)
and I will keep watching :)
Is this method the same as using gun blue and/or liver of sulphur? I'm very new to this, I haven't attempted to patina anything yet, just learning. I did order liver of sulphur gel, and I was considering gun blue, as well.
Could you help me to understand the differences in all of these methods?
Thank you so much!
Hi Kalena, The gun blue is for steel. Liver of sulfur is for silver (although it will turn copper black). The OJA has other patination videos in it's playlist. I believe the videos will answer all of your questions.
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Thanks for the clarification on the red. I was annealing a bit last night while playing around on hammering out some 18AWG, and wasn't sure about the red after hitting it with the propane torch. Definitely won't be brushing it off after it's finished!
Hi Daniel, I'm glad that the OJA could help you to add some red to your work. I personally really like the way that the color looks and wears.
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Can pieces be solder afterwards? Or should a cold connection be used?
You can only successfully solder on clean metal. So you’ll need to use cold connections. 😀
I've missed your calmness
It’s nice to know that I’ve been missed. 🥰
How long would you recommend leaveing the piece in the water for the red color?
As soon as the water stops rumbling the process is complete. So it doesn’t take long. The video was filmed in real time. 😀
Do you have a video for verdigris on brass? Thanks!
No, we don't have a video specifically covering verdigris on brass. There are products available at your local hardware store specifically designed to speed the development of verdigris on brass surfaces. 😀
@@OnlineJewelryAcademy thank you!
Can you use a sealant instead of waxing?
Will Protecta Clear help hold its color and make it look shiny or will it remove the patina?
I don’t know. I’ve never used that product. I suggest you conduct a few experiments. 😀
Its a sealing lacquer. I would not use this. Part of the charm is to have an earthy tribal feel to this chain. If you lacquer it, it will have a slick, city look. The lacquer may chemically react to the finish as well and change the colors. Micro wax is the best way to keep a natural feel to it, and give it some protection.
I use ProtectaClear on some of my bare copper pieces that I want to stay bright and maintain that new penny look but I don't think I'd use it on colored patinas. In some instances, depending on the patina type and vibrancy of color, adding a sealant could dull it down causing it to lose some of its vibrant "appearance". It doesn't literally remove the patina... instead it changes the way light hits it and reflects off of it so we see it from a different perspective. Before adding a sealant, light hits the metal directly without having to bend through something and then bounces directly off. After adding a sealant, light has to travel through the sealant and bends before it hits the metal and bounces back (think about elementary school science and prisms). My advice would be to do a test with and without ProtectaClear and see which way YOU like it best. After all, jewelry is all about one's personal preference and style. Good luck!😊
@@tlojewelrylove Thank you that's exactly what I thought so I left it as is. I wasn't willing to risk an experiment on this specific piece but maybe one day I'll experiment on something just for the visual knowledge.
Did I miss something about enhancing the red link using wax?
🤷🏻♂️ The red patina is definitely enhanced with a coat of wax though. Thanks for watching! 😀
could you do the red on a chainmaille bracelet will it lose its temper
The red color is achieved by exposing the copper to high temperatures. So, the piece would become very soft.
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And where I to put it in a vibratory tumbler wouldnt it work harden the chain or would it lose its color then? Thanks Lance
Tumbling would definitely help to work harden the chain. But, Yes, you would loose all of the patina. I love the red patina myself. But, it isn't appropriate for everything. You might like the peanut oil panting. It can give you a wide range of colors on copper from honey gold to a deep dark brown. And, we have a video on it. Good luck with your project.
Can you please teach me the method to how to make copper looks old as thousand years, dark brown color with shining.
The OJA has several tutorials covering patina process on its website at: www.onlinejewelryacademy.com. They are grouped together under the heading “Patinas & Color”. : )
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cannot see green patina of copper?
I don’t know what went wrong. Try cleaning the copper and starting the process over. 😀
can be brass brass green?
Yes. Just Google green brass patina to learn how to create it. 😀
good info without all the BS
Thanks for watching! 😀
@@OnlineJewelryAcademy Thanks for the reply...do you do anything with stainless steel wire?
@@nobackhands Sorry. There are no videos in the OJA playlist on working with stainless steel. 😕
@@OnlineJewelryAcademy Good - no competition for my classes :)
I watched this specifically for the instruction on the red patina. Imagine my disappointment when you finished the red one, and then didn't show it. Why do the demo if you aren't going to show the final product? How do I know if I'm doing it right if you don't show me your results. That's kinda messed up.
Sorry you didn't like the video. I hope that you will try some experiments with the process and see if you can produce result that are acceptable to you. Good luck with your creative projects Lola.
Don't forget if you boil eggs wear your safety glasses the eggs might blow up in your eyes.
The rest of the info is pretty cool
I’ve never seen eggs blow up in the kitchen. 😂
@@OnlineJewelryAcademy Better be safe then sorry wear your safety glass you never can tell.
Specially putting a egg in the microwave oven. lol Great video on the Red And Green Patinas On Copper :)
Remember wear your safety glasses
can you use kosher coarse salt? You could have moved this along much quicker. I'm bored....
Dear Ms B Art, Sorry you were "bored". We make every effort to make succinct videos.
You can use Kosher coarse salt.
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@Ms B Art - And rude apparently :/
Your boredom says way more about you than it does about the video.
I'm amazed how many rude comments are on these free instructional videos. What a shame that adults behave this way...entitlement is rampant. I appreciate these videos very much! I'm curious if sea salt can be used and if so does it effect the hue?
The Face Yoga video advert that preceded this instructional video is way, way, too long! I can understand the need to fund a video site with advertising but not when the advertisement is as long as the instructional video and nothing your viewers wanted to see. I can't even fast forward the ad. or stop it. It's too much!!!
Hi Hilary,
This is Don from the OJA. We share your frustration with TH-cam's ad policies. Unfortunately, the only advertising option we have (as a TH-cam Creator) is whether ads are included or not included in our videos. Once we opt to get paid for the videos, TH-cam decides what ads to place and how long those ads are. From my experience as a viewer, they have non-skipable ads that range from 6 seconds to 15 seconds and these get played at random on our videos. They also have longer ads (15 seconds to multiple minutes) that have always been skipable after the first few seconds. Due to some recent controversies with TH-cam advertising, they made a lot of changes in their system and we have encountered a variety of glitches. If you were unable to skip that long ad, I suspect that you encountered a glitch. Sadly, TH-cam does not provide most creators with a customer support email or number to report such problems. Not only do we have no control over it, we are left frustrated until TH-cam discovers the problem and corrects it. I would recommend that if you encounter another long non-skipable ad for any video you want to see, that you stop the video (by whatever means you need) and retry it later. We thank you for being a loyal view of our channel. Thanks for your support.
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Hi Don - Thank you so much for your swift and informative reply. I think there must have been a glitch as I wasn't able to control that very long advertisement in any way and it was a lot longer than 15 seconds. There's a different one on today and it is much shorter so maybe the Face Yoga video has been removed. I so appreciate the videos the OJA puts onto You Tube and recommend them to all my jeweller friends :-)
Did you seriously just waste 5 minutes to tell us how to boil water and how to use a striker???? Oh my god is this for 5 year olds?? Just get to the coloring.
What can I say? One man's thorough instruction is another man's waste of time.
My brother can help me in the process of minting the copper coin
Don't be a shitheel. Skip ahead if thorough instructables offend you.