I think it is kinda fun that we complain how Com2Us can't improve AI, and when they build a AI based application (searching optimal runes) they also can't do lol
@TamTran-yo1cm you know that this is AI right? Is combinatorial optimization. It might not be deep learning, which everyone nowadays assumes is the only ai there is, but it is still classical ai. Just like the ai for attacks.
Not surprised the built-in tool couldn't find the builds for your Rica (SWOP uses GPU optimization and you fed it a ton of manual directions), but it certainly should not say such a build doesn't exist. If they changed it to 'unable to find a match in a reasonable time' it would be fine. Options like multiselect for slots, effective hp and more would be great, but they probably wanted to make a simple alternative to SWOP, not trying to put SWOP out of business. The main limitation (and one it seems you didn't really seemed to appreciate) is that the built-in optimization seems to only optimize for one thing: rune score/efficiency. I am sure that if you only put in the bare minimums for BJR5 Bale in SWOP and told it to optimize for rune efficiency (no other things to narrow it down) you would also get some silly results.
they should add an exclusion on the select equipped runes, maybe make use of the mark system and choose to exclude certain mark, so we can put the units we don't want to touch there
what's particularly bad about the new rune system in my opinion, is the simple fact that unlike with SWOP you can not account for lead, skill, and base speed on tick in content
Here's a new beginner challenger for you: How fast can you clear Dragon AH on a new account when only using the built-in rune tool for runing your units. :)
i think the crit rate issue, you dont need to sum the base crit rate of the monster. you need to sum the crit rate of the rune instead. ex: you input crit rate : 50, the system give you rune build of +50 crit rate only.
I looked at the new crafting for legend runes and it's just not worth. 60 sold legends to get one in return, even if is more specific is not worth anymore.
I have lora and I want to center my team around her notably I have narsha and yeonhung however I’m definitely not fast enough to be a speed contester what type of team would you try to run with her, right now my problem is zibala robo seara type teams when I go slo
@ ok generally what gives sekmat good damage ? My Lora is super good rune and artifact wise I’m p1 she is like a 2300 per hit right now which I feel like is pretty decent for my level, but yeah no idea how to build damage sekmet haha
Good it is in game at least but is so bad in actualy making builds that you can't trust runing things you use for pvp or for high lvl pve as well, the design needs more work too these tiny windows on a phone are a pain to look at. They learned nothing from swop aparently, they should just hire the swop developer already that would be really good for all of us!
Team 1: jansen bale loren coleen iunu miriam or deborah (deborah is better) Team 2 Darion fire skogul, shaina sabrina hwa fran. (Fire skogul gives fran perfect ai and darion makes the run omega safe like 1 fail after 50,000 runs Team 3: kro raoq icaru khali verde lulu (lulu so you won't need will anymore... Fria can also be good or just put will on all of them and then add 1 more damage dealer) Time is 27-28 seconds with miriam and 25-28 with deborah Team 1 leader: loren Team 2 leader: hwa Team 3 leader: khali
yep like people mentioned shizuka, also zibala is great with it. maybe if you want to go full 5: zibala shizuka federica vanessa oberon, just not sure if it has enough fire power.
Exactly why I opened youtube.
I think it is kinda fun that we complain how Com2Us can't improve AI, and when they build a AI based application (searching optimal runes) they also can't do lol
from a developer stand point, this optimizing rune system doesn't requires any AI though.
@TamTran-yo1cm you know that this is AI right? Is combinatorial optimization. It might not be deep learning, which everyone nowadays assumes is the only ai there is, but it is still classical ai. Just like the ai for attacks.
Now if only they would let us choose skill order and priority in pve.
That would much such a game changer
@@OudomsupNgooo8988
It's actually disappointing that this new tool can't run rune sets search properly, I hope they'll improve it later...
i think they will like they improved the auto sell rune settings
I think it runs properly but not optimized and probably they put a limit time to return results to not be a bad experience to new players
other think, i dont know why but at 9:05 the runes on the new tool is better in efficienty hp than the other one found on swop
Not surprised the built-in tool couldn't find the builds for your Rica (SWOP uses GPU optimization and you fed it a ton of manual directions), but it certainly should not say such a build doesn't exist. If they changed it to 'unable to find a match in a reasonable time' it would be fine.
Options like multiselect for slots, effective hp and more would be great, but they probably wanted to make a simple alternative to SWOP, not trying to put SWOP out of business.
The main limitation (and one it seems you didn't really seemed to appreciate) is that the built-in optimization seems to only optimize for one thing: rune score/efficiency. I am sure that if you only put in the bare minimums for BJR5 Bale in SWOP and told it to optimize for rune efficiency (no other things to narrow it down) you would also get some silly results.
they should add an exclusion on the select equipped runes, maybe make use of the mark system and choose to exclude certain mark, so we can put the units we don't want to touch there
7:53 Umm Akshually ☝🤓 199 pages of builds, 1987 builds in total
oh yea ur totally right
For people who can’t get json or have no experience with SWOP this is gonna be great.
Not bad considering it will get better overtime (i hope)
can't wait to see this after the 5 million unskippable ad's
it has its flaws but I think its a big step in the right direction
A very good babystep in the right direction ... games only 10 years old let em cook another 7 ......
what's particularly bad about the new rune system in my opinion, is the simple fact that unlike with SWOP you can not account for lead, skill, and base speed on tick in content
Ingame swop for now still need more improvement, But worth to waits , finally after 10 years c2us developer goes smart and human being kinda
Totally agree with you.
But let me say that since it has just been released i hope it will be improved
Here's a new beginner challenger for you: How fast can you clear Dragon AH on a new account when only using the built-in rune tool for runing your units. :)
thats pretty easy since you can do dragons with the sets that the game gives you right away haha
i think the crit rate issue, you dont need to sum the base crit rate of the monster. you need to sum the crit rate of the rune instead. ex: you input crit rate : 50, the system give you rune build of +50 crit rate only.
But with spd it is also total and not additional spd
Yeah I’m glad they’re adding this, but it needs some changes. I think they’ll update it pretty soon after all the feedback.
I looked at the new crafting for legend runes and it's just not worth. 60 sold legends to get one in return, even if is more specific is not worth anymore.
I have lora and I want to center my team around her notably I have narsha and yeonhung however I’m definitely not fast enough to be a speed contester what type of team would you try to run with her, right now my problem is zibala robo seara type teams when I go slo
you could first pick oliver sekmeth + Lora plus counterpicks. but you would need good dmg on sekmeth/lora
@ ok generally what gives sekmat good damage ? My Lora is super good rune and artifact wise I’m p1 she is like a 2300 per hit right now which I feel like is pretty decent for my level, but yeah no idea how to build damage sekmet haha
Also say I Oliver then I run into like degen giou gabsoo rag type comps ?
@@ky4real___ sonia /federica can help, but yea its rough
Makes you wonder why they wouldn't partner with swop instead of trying to copy them
I was wondering if hero and rare runes and artifacts scores can predict whether we will get the materials or not when we sell them
I personally would hire the team behind swop or pay for it and pay for every ugrades he makes for it or something like that. If possible of course
What are the odds that the SWOP creators work with Com2us to make this better?
0.0001% sadly enough
Xandro said he went to the Korea office and had a great meeting with them
@@willow359 he went to berlin office, but not too much came out of it tbh.
i think 2k should be fair if we could select the sub stats
The in game optimizer needs to be optimized.
Why do you only recommend to farm Ellunia and lumel and not the other ones?
more good runes rather than just 1 type.
Good it is in game at least but is so bad in actualy making builds that you can't trust runing things you use for pvp or for high lvl pve as well, the design needs more work too these tiny windows on a phone are a pain to look at.
They learned nothing from swop aparently, they should just hire the swop developer already that would be really good for all of us!
What website is that guide in r5? Or any website that can teach us the runes or team build? Thanks
Team 1: jansen bale loren coleen iunu miriam or deborah (deborah is better)
Team 2
Darion fire skogul, shaina sabrina hwa fran. (Fire skogul gives fran perfect ai and darion makes the run omega safe like 1 fail after 50,000 runs
Team 3: kro raoq icaru khali verde lulu (lulu so you won't need will anymore... Fria can also be good or just put will on all of them and then add 1 more damage dealer)
Time is 27-28 seconds with miriam and 25-28 with deborah
Team 1 leader: loren
Team 2 leader: hwa
Team 3 leader: khali
www.reddit.com/r/summonerswar/comments/fijvmo/the_last_bjr5_guide_you_will_ever_need/
Which teams do you suggest I use with oberon in rta? Really unsure on how to use him.
Shizuka. Invincible buff and reset
Shizuka zamire kahli tablo
yep like people mentioned shizuka, also zibala is great with it. maybe if you want to go full 5: zibala shizuka federica vanessa oberon, just not sure if it has enough fire power.
Alright, I'll try those units. Thanks for the advice!
why it's better to have 15 cr on rika dot team?
to not crit on camilla's
Yep NeverTrustNoob is correct. to not crit on camilla.
Maybe it will finally make it where we dont see new players with 70 cr verde 😂😂😂
you aren the best seiiii
for those who still can't make swop work xd
which ld5's are the best options to start the acc?(not maximilian and lucifer, they are expensive)
Lora
almost all ld 5 kinda used for pvp except you know Lucifer lol,so the answer is most likely just any ld5 you like .
well maxi lucifer asima are best. rest is just late game pvp mostly.
@@danielagusto2276Agreed. Just pick one you enjoy and think you'll enjoy throughout the playthrough
Neph
hey watching
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