I will be looking for that saw at the Paul Bunyan. Wish I could meet you also but you are right on,Daddy’s duty’s are the priority blessings for you and your family my friend 👍♥️🙏
I was the first TH-cam comment to congratulate you after your daughter was born, my son turns 18 in a few months cherish every moment, the time goes way too fast. ✌️ ❤️
The video got real interesting once that white handle screwdriver came out. Thanks for sharing that. A tuning session is much more educational when it doesn’t play nicely .
My son bot the g660 , I built a muffler mod for it and so far after 5 cord of oak the thing has been a beast, I bot the g288 and been cutting for a couple months with it, also built a modded muffler for it and so far so good. For the price, I have to say at this point, I'm impressed. Ran huskys all my life also,
I have a 395 372 and i wanna get a 288! I watch all yall on here that do saws i love seeing how everyone does thing a little differnt and get there own good running saws! I started my saw journey watch afleetcommand youtube channel! Now the 288s ur doing man make me want one! And neotec has the first 5 series clone! Pretty cool thanks tinman for the videos enjoy them!
Windy down in Michigan today also. Just got done covering plants, got a frost warning. I wanted to thank you dude. All my porting & saw work is fantastic because of you. That's straight goods. I do watch Donnie, & Walt too. But you speak my language, & you're a good teacher, as I'm sure you hear often. But yeah man, thank you.
Ahh the personality of mechanical things! They all have their own needs and a good mechanic knows what to give em'! You my friend are one of the good ones!👊
The key in the flywheel is used to index the flywheel and the taper is what holds the flywheel from turning. You must torque the nut to the proper setting. The way you put that nut on is going to let the flywheel shear the key. You must remove any oil from the tapered shaft and tapered hole in the flywheel. Some saw tuners remove the key when they advance the timing.
I built a 660 kit I ported it and did a base gasket delete and it runs amazing. The only two things that I would change is the oil pump and a OEM chain adjuster
Always learn something new watching these videos Tinman. Like, I never thought to close the jets off to start a flooded saw. That is golden. Great video!
Woodruff keys are available at McMaster-Carr for pennies on the dollar as compared to chain saw prices. I picked up 20, or 25 for about 10 bucks (many years ago, so prices probably changed). The chainsaw parts are usually a slightly different thickness, , , I had to thin two thousandths off of the ones I bought, I used a sharpening stone and my finger. Best of luck,
I recently built a 660 kit. A fun way to spend a few evenings. I polished the exhaust and gave the intake/transfers a clean up. Removed the baffle from the muffler and matched it and the gasket to the exhaust port and opened up the muffler to about 70% of the exhaust port. Seems to run great. I used everything from the kit. I’ll upgrade as needed. I’d like to see you do a full build on one.
Congrats Tinman. Of course the baby should be your priority. Happy for you and your wife. Surely you'll be a great father. There's no better gift then to be a great dad to your new lil guy or girl. Cheers brother. Trent from the big cedar s.. Mount Shasta. California
I tried a china carb on my 272xp and it runs and tunes fine. I was having a idling problem but it was a coil issue… ended up leaving the aftermarket carb on.
It's amazing how different chainsaws are when it comes to adjusting. I have a cs600p that you couldn't get to run lean to save your life without flat shutting the fuel off.
Never tried the screw in both jets trick when flooded. Learn something everyday. Thanks! I like watching you tune too. Mine flood sometimes when I forget to turn the switch on, and start pulling - heh heh. I usually just set the bar on a log, and full throttle, and keep pulling about 10 or 15 times - works unless the plug is totally soaked. Also, I'm old, and the big saws are a pain to pull over too many times. Never tried one of those 660 kits. Looks fun though. That 288 looks pretty good too.
You should move anywhere near Kamloops BC lol nice timber and most places only see -20 maybe -30 around here for the most part (until you get up higher in a few small towns) and no snow compared to what you get lol....I do snow removal here and still gawk at what you showed this past winter..cheers big guy hope the new lil famjam is doing great take care
Love your channel Tinman Pissed myself at the flooding… Like most Australians, I have visited Canada and Hope to visit again Best of wishes to your new family - being a recent dad myself, you’re in for some testing moments but some absolute magic ones too. Keep up the good work and great content… (You just need some more Stihl saws on your rack!) 😅
Nice! I've seen this a lot from the "Kit saws" AND there is a reason :) Please remember two numbers :) 26ft-lbs for the m8x1's ( Most newer Husqvarna's and a few older Stihl's ) and 34ft-lbs for the m10x1's on some of the older Husqvarna's and A few Stihl's. Amazing what happens when they are torqued randomly. Saw some with the treaded part snapped off and some with flywheels spun like yours. Seems like other than the bar oiler, those g288's seem pretty solid. You seeing the same?
Walt, you still making videos? I really enjoyed some of the boat footage ... I learned a lot from you! You don't come into my feed anymore? I'm a farmer jones kinda builder ... heh heh. And, if it don't run, grab a different saw - heh heh, and deal with it later. Wish I had a lathe.
Morning Walt, The oiler on the first 288 was bad. Both decomps hit the top covers due to a misaligned decomp hole. Other then that these are both as sent, both start and tune well. I'm impressed so far with the quality of these kits, we will see with some use wether I still feel the same way..
@@tinmanssaws Wonder if there is a GOOD aftermarket option for those oil pumps. I swapped mine and now the new one is dying :( Maybe a used OEM is really best. Curious your thoughts on those pumps and options. Can we FIX the bad ones??
Hey Tinman, that cylinder I mentioned on the last video, I ported it and just now I got my first ever ported saw running. Still have some tweaks to make on the carb and a few new parts.
Fyi- the first run 288 kits had bad pumps- Farmertec supposedly upgraded them after finding out I'm told- it was passed around in the saw repair group on Facebook. That's why one oils well and the other not at all
Ahh the joy's of aftermarket. The good, the bad and everything in-between🥲 kinda like a box of chocolates for the man who loves to tinker! Thanks for sharing and hope your family is well 🙏
On a hunch I ordered an oem oil pump pinion return spring for my 372 kit cause it never oiled the best and when I compared the two the farmertec one was like half the length and and a thinner gauge. Now it oils a lot better. I'm guessing it was just floating at cutting rpm and not returning to get another charge of oil
The spot on the piston with the scoring is a common place for signs of cold seize.Maybe the cylinder and piston had a tight fit and getting on the throttle a bit early may have done it.
The farmertec 372 kits have lots of problems better off with a 395 kit one thing the pistons are too small and rattle on the 395 kits. The farmertec ms660 kits run great just the clutch drums are out of round.
The low top would fit if you converted it back to the low filter. I personally like the low top as its better for my chest while filing. Everything else like the clutch, carb etc will fit..
a think the key its too hard material and thats way its broke.a did have similar problem with my bike,allways the key broke.then a did make it my self and did work perfekt.was only thinking if that can be same problem.hope you understund my bad english
Often intake scoring is from debris getting past the air filter. On a new saw scoring often is from small burrs in the ports scratching the piston. If they are small, often they will polish out after some use.
Actually the key needs to be soft to be sheared in case of failure like here to not tear up the crank or flywheel. In this case probably previous owner/builder didn't tighten the nut good enough or it can be that the tapers are not locking in properly because the taper is what does all the "holding together" work and the key is there to just give you a simple reference, so you can disassemble and assemble right away without measuring the timing. Or may I be wrong. And also sorry for my eventual bad grammar, greetings from Poland Tinman :D
@@timaustin110 I think in this case there is no "too soft" :D You can also assemble the ignition wuthout the key and it will work all day long, I can guarantee you that because I did this many many times in my saws or bikes and if the taper is doing its thing properly everything will be rock solid. In this kind of assembly the key isn't transfering any serious forces. If this issue will be comming back constantly that means you need to lap the crankshaft and flywheel to each other with valve lapping compound and the issue should go right away.
I will be looking for that saw at the Paul Bunyan. Wish I could meet you also but you are right on,Daddy’s duty’s are the priority blessings for you and your family my friend 👍♥️🙏
I was the first TH-cam comment to congratulate you after your daughter was born, my son turns 18 in a few months cherish every moment, the time goes way too fast. ✌️ ❤️
You can’t find saws because you taught them how to fix them! Good thing you found viewers who can afford to support your obvious habits. Win Win!
The video got real interesting once that white handle screwdriver came out. Thanks for sharing that. A tuning session is much more educational when it doesn’t play nicely .
Right on, glad you enjoyed that.
My son bot the g660 , I built a muffler mod for it and so far after 5 cord of oak the thing has been a beast, I bot the g288 and been cutting for a couple months with it, also built a modded muffler for it and so far so good. For the price, I have to say at this point, I'm impressed. Ran huskys all my life also,
I have a 395 372 and i wanna get a 288! I watch all yall on here that do saws i love seeing how everyone does thing a little differnt and get there own good running saws! I started my saw journey watch afleetcommand youtube channel! Now the 288s ur doing man make me want one! And neotec has the first 5 series clone! Pretty cool thanks tinman for the videos enjoy them!
Windy down in Michigan today also. Just got done covering plants, got a frost warning. I wanted to thank you dude. All my porting & saw work is fantastic because of you. That's straight goods. I do watch Donnie, & Walt too. But you speak my language, & you're a good teacher, as I'm sure you hear often. But yeah man, thank you.
Check out dyno Joe's mods he is from Michigan too
@@troy3052 Cool, thanks Troy
Ahh the personality of mechanical things! They all have their own needs and a good mechanic knows what to give em'! You my friend are one of the good ones!👊
The key in the flywheel is used to index the flywheel and the taper is what holds the flywheel from turning. You must torque the nut to the proper setting. The way you put that nut on is going to let the flywheel shear the key. You must remove any oil from the tapered shaft and tapered hole in the flywheel. Some saw tuners remove the key when they advance the timing.
Love the channel Tin man thanks for the show of the farmertec I have been eye balling a 372 version but scared of the Chinese stuff
I built a 660 kit I ported it and did a base gasket delete and it runs amazing. The only two things that I would change is the oil pump and a OEM chain adjuster
Always learn something new watching these videos Tinman. Like, I never thought to close the jets off to start a flooded saw. That is golden. Great video!
A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one!
Thankyou Jacob
Woodruff keys are available at McMaster-Carr for pennies on the dollar as compared to chain saw prices. I picked up 20, or 25 for about 10 bucks (many years ago, so prices probably changed). The chainsaw parts are usually a slightly different thickness, , , I had to thin two thousandths off of the ones I bought, I used a sharpening stone and my finger. Best of luck,
Good stuff as always. The 272xp has a molded woodruff key in the flywheel. Nice tip on the Jets for when a saw is flooded. TC Mahalo Tinman 🤙🤙🤙
I recently built a 660 kit. A fun way to spend a few evenings. I polished the exhaust and gave the intake/transfers a clean up. Removed the baffle from the muffler and matched it and the gasket to the exhaust port and opened up the muffler to about 70% of the exhaust port. Seems to run great. I used everything from the kit. I’ll upgrade as needed. I’d like to see you do a full build on one.
Congrats Tinman. Of course the baby should be your priority. Happy for you and your wife. Surely you'll be a great father. There's no better gift then to be a great dad to your new lil guy or girl. Cheers brother. Trent from the big cedar s.. Mount Shasta. California
Morning, having a little girl has been the most amazing thing ever jn my lift. It's been so great!!
I tried a china carb on my 272xp and it runs and tunes fine. I was having a idling problem but it was a coil issue… ended up leaving the aftermarket carb on.
Hope all is well with momma an baby Tinman
It's amazing how different chainsaws are when it comes to adjusting. I have a cs600p that you couldn't get to run lean to save your life without flat shutting the fuel off.
Never tried the screw in both jets trick when flooded. Learn something everyday. Thanks! I like watching you tune too. Mine flood sometimes when I forget to turn the switch on, and start pulling - heh heh. I usually just set the bar on a log, and full throttle, and keep pulling about 10 or 15 times - works unless the plug is totally soaked. Also, I'm old, and the big saws are a pain to pull over too many times. Never tried one of those 660 kits. Looks fun though. That 288 looks pretty good too.
You should move anywhere near Kamloops BC lol nice timber and most places only see -20 maybe -30 around here for the most part (until you get up higher in a few small towns) and no snow compared to what you get lol....I do snow removal here and still gawk at what you showed this past winter..cheers big guy hope the new lil famjam is doing great take care
Hey tinman love the channel the 660 kit runs like a scalded cat . Hopefully a 395 kit heading to Scotland soon .
Love your channel Tinman
Pissed myself at the flooding…
Like most Australians, I have visited Canada and Hope to visit again
Best of wishes to your new family - being a recent dad myself, you’re in for some testing moments but some absolute magic ones too.
Keep up the good work and great content…
(You just need some more Stihl saws on your rack!) 😅
I'd love to visit the land down under some day, it's ony bucket list.
great video would love to see that mac 55 with a 28!
Do the 070/090 Farmertec kit!
Nice! I've seen this a lot from the "Kit saws" AND there is a reason :) Please remember two numbers :) 26ft-lbs for the m8x1's ( Most newer Husqvarna's and a few older Stihl's ) and 34ft-lbs for the m10x1's on some of the older Husqvarna's and A few Stihl's. Amazing what happens when they are torqued randomly. Saw some with the treaded part snapped off and some with flywheels spun like yours. Seems like other than the bar oiler, those g288's seem pretty solid. You seeing the same?
Walt, you still making videos? I really enjoyed some of the boat footage ... I learned a lot from you! You don't come into my feed anymore? I'm a farmer jones kinda builder ... heh heh. And, if it don't run, grab a different saw - heh heh, and deal with it later. Wish I had a lathe.
Morning Walt,
The oiler on the first 288 was bad. Both decomps hit the top covers due to a misaligned decomp hole.
Other then that these are both as sent, both start and tune well.
I'm impressed so far with the quality of these kits, we will see with some use wether I still feel the same way..
@@tinmanssaws Wonder if there is a GOOD aftermarket option for those oil pumps. I swapped mine and now the new one is dying :( Maybe a used OEM is really best. Curious your thoughts on those pumps and options. Can we FIX the bad ones??
@@afleetcommand I've tried to "fix " the one supplied that doesn't work. It pumps nothing still.
@@afleetcommand so a oem pump the way to go instead of the one provided?
it helps too hold full throtle if its flood. have doing that may times.full throtle and start the saw.
I hope to get a OEM 288 some day.
Hey Tinman, that cylinder I mentioned on the last video, I ported it and just now I got my first ever ported saw running. Still have some tweaks to make on the carb and a few new parts.
That's good to hear. Hopefully it breaks in strong.
Fyi- the first run 288 kits had bad pumps- Farmertec supposedly upgraded them after finding out I'm told- it was passed around in the saw repair group on Facebook. That's why one oils well and the other not at all
thanks for the video; i know to steer clear of chinese saws; thanks.
Ahh the joy's of aftermarket. The good, the bad and everything in-between🥲 kinda like a box of chocolates for the man who loves to tinker!
Thanks for sharing and hope your family is well 🙏
On a hunch I ordered an oem oil pump pinion return spring for my 372 kit cause it never oiled the best and when I compared the two the farmertec one was like half the length and and a thinner gauge. Now it oils a lot better. I'm guessing it was just floating at cutting rpm and not returning to get another charge of oil
Yeah I'm looking for one of those chainsaws 288xp oh 281xp
The spot on the piston with the scoring is a common place for signs of cold seize.Maybe the cylinder and piston had a tight fit and getting on the throttle a bit early may have done it.
Why do you pull the starting cord a little bit before you stop the saw?
The farmertec 372 kits have lots of problems better off with a 395 kit one thing the pistons are too small and rattle on the 395 kits. The farmertec ms660 kits run great just the clutch drums are out of round.
Schöne Säge....
Gruß aus Germany Peter
hey brother! hope all is well
Great video. What is your opinion on these clone saws
Have had good luck with farmertec carbs, besides the one that comes on 372's they don't seem to hold a tune at all.
I'll keep that in mind
I was starting to think that maybe the flywheel hit the coil and caused an issue !
Hey Tinman great video can you tell us if the old style low top covers and clutch cover fit these?
The low top would fit if you converted it back to the low filter. I personally like the low top as its better for my chest while filing.
Everything else like the clutch, carb etc will fit..
a think the key its too hard material and thats way its broke.a did have similar problem with my bike,allways the key broke.then a did make it my self and did work perfekt.was only thinking if that can be same problem.hope you understund my bad english
what town in pennsylvania is the show
What would cause a rebuilt saw to score the piston on the intake side??
Often intake scoring is from debris getting past the air filter. On a new saw scoring often is from small burrs in the ports scratching the piston.
If they are small, often they will polish out after some use.
I think if you were going to get another kit a 660 makes more sense then a 395 because you have husky 394 or 2
I'd like a 660 kit for sure. That will probably be the next one..
Whats the difference in the 288xp and a 288 lite?
288 lite has different motor mounts and no extra mount at the front
@@tinmanssaws o ok thank u sir have a great weekend.
288 aging 😀
Keyway too soft is that why it broke ???
Maybe, I think the nut maybe just backed off.
@@tinmanssaws drill it and split pin it idea ???
Actually the key needs to be soft to be sheared in case of failure like here to not tear up the crank or flywheel. In this case probably previous owner/builder didn't tighten the nut good enough or it can be that the tapers are not locking in properly because the taper is what does all the "holding together" work and the key is there to just give you a simple reference, so you can disassemble and assemble right away without measuring the timing. Or may I be wrong. And also sorry for my eventual bad grammar, greetings from Poland Tinman :D
@@moonshine21.37 I know it needs to be soft what I'm sayin is it too soft
@@timaustin110 I think in this case there is no "too soft" :D You can also assemble the ignition wuthout the key and it will work all day long, I can guarantee you that because I did this many many times in my saws or bikes and if the taper is doing its thing properly everything will be rock solid. In this kind of assembly the key isn't transfering any serious forces. If this issue will be comming back constantly that means you need to lap the crankshaft and flywheel to each other with valve lapping compound and the issue should go right away.
It's acting like a Poulan ! Start, don't start, floood, start, don't start ... flood