congrats John I've been listening to your channel since it was like 10,000 people. I love to see how much your channel has grown. never change. That voice is some bomb ass ASMR.
I was explaining a Von Neumann probe to my brother Saturday, what timing. I'll send this along. Thanks. You did so masterfully what I attempted so feebly.
Something I was thinking the other day, what if empty space is valuable to advanced civilizations. Like, they actually migrate towards the voids for some reason, or they are helping to expand them. Thinking being some analogue to the way you can grow organs in micro-gravity but not in earth gravity. What if a near lack of any gravitational field is somehow useful.
Anything is possible as far as unknown unknowns go but I bet then we'd see light or other radiation coming out of deep space where, for reasons unknown to me, it shouldn't radiate anything.
When considering the question "why would _they_ come here for materials, when they're easily found throughout space," I recall a scientist speculating that our planet offers a lot of complex 'chemistry' that might not be so easy to procure elsewhere. He added that something as ubiquitous to us, like chlorophyll, could be valuable to _them_ for mass harvesting.
chlorophyll? give them a few buckets each of Water Hyacinth, Azolla, and Duckweed. Those 3 plants are von Neumann machines in their own right. IMO the rare resource hypothesis doesn't hold water... which is another *extremely* common resource in space.
Wow. This one really kind of gave me the creeps. Excellent video John. You never fail to keep me up alot longer than i intended to be, thinking about..or absolutely dreading..the possibilities that exist.
A coral reef works on the principle you mention ,simply stay in one place and wait for food to float past then reach out and grab it, in fact many species hunt in this fashion, let's hope we never get to be on the menu of some giant intergalactic ant-lion
When broken down like this, it really does make little sense why anyone else in the universe would go to the trouble and expense of trying to come here. Any resource we offer would be closer, cheaper, and more abundant. The only other thing they could be interested in is us. But we haven't been here long enough to have telltale signs go far enough. It is a bit comforting at least to me. Thanks John!
Just a few hundred years ago, the French academy of sciences declared that we had learned everything there was to know. I don't think that the science institutes of the current time are any different.
Most trajectories stars could follow on a flyby of Sol would pass through our ecliptic plane, which would MAKE them able to see transiting planets. About half of them would be able to see our transits before their closest approach, while there's still time to launch an invasion.
Your interpretation of the Zoo Hypothesis at the beginning of the video was 100% accurate to most UFO/ Contactee type reports. And unfortunately, that is the only one that has ever matched said spooky stories.
I always found it odd that people think there's no way an alien species would just sit back and observe us. That's precisely what I would believe we would do if we were an interstellar species. You wouldn't just go and land in the middle of a city. It'd be like handling an rare indigenous species of animal, right? You'd protect and observe it. Ensure its safety. Learn what you can from it.
Been thinking recently if the universe isn’t infinite we could legit be the only ‘intelligent’ life so far cos it’s only been 13 billion years, it’s basically still the very start of the universe
I think without FTL tech invasion is not really worthwhile, in fact it may be too dangerous to even be considered. I mean if your invasion fleet has a transit time of 10,000 years there is a real danger the target species may evolve beyond your technological level before you arrive. Or at least they may not be the pushovers you thought they'd be when you started the invasion. Same applies to sending some sort of AI. If the target species evolves sufficiently to detect and deal with your invasion probe you are now in an interstellar war who's out come is unknowable to you....Our own history has many examples of poorly throughout surprise invasions so I guess it's possible, but those are mostly instigated by power hungry tyrants. Launching a multigenerational campaign against an alien species you've never met, when the war will not take place in your lifetime doesn't sound like it would do much to stroke the ego of a space dictator. Especially when they can just abuse their own people in real time. Also... 11,000 years later when the crab people invasion fleet arrive at Earth will anyone ever remember Gurk The Terrible started the war 20 generations ago? And what do the Crabs do when they arrive and signal the home world only to find out their own society no longer exist and nobody there even knows who Gurk was or thinks going ahead with the invasion is still a particularly good idea. It's a big Universe. My inclination would be to steer clear of sentient species and try to colonize all the easy unoccupied worlds.
would love to see a more in depth video on baryon acoustic oscillations. you mentioned it in a recent video and its been keeping me awake at night. good stuff as always JMG
the Vulcans saw MAGA and gave up on us, but it's okay because silicon valley will make us all borg soon Then the jokes on the Vulcans cause here we come...
thank you for this video, I watch your videos everynight, your the best TH-camr out right now please make the videos to 20+ mins that would be great I can't get enough
Even though the idea of alien invasion and takeover is scary, for sure. As someone who's lived a rough life, and knowing how others live, it doesn't frea me out as much as the idea of aliens just flat put annihilating us. Plenty of us already live in subjugation. But total destruction? Now that's terrifying. That's why I have a fascination with sci-fi films and stories that play with the idea. Oblivion, as bogus as it was, and say what you will about Tom Cruise (you're probably right lol), is one of my favorites. I also love when sci-fi acknowledges a lack of understanding. The Flood from halo being a great example of this. An "unbeatable" threat, if you will.
Homogeneity extends many properties, such as homogeneous dispersal of "concentrations" throughout some volume. This makes me think of a spooky scenario, life "as we know it" requires phosphorous, which mostly appears to manifest in sporadic concentrations resulting from exploding stars; the sun is one of a large set of stars, many of which are similar-type stars sharing the phosphorus-cloud of the progenitor, and, at the timescale, these similar-type stars basically share a birthday. Soon enough, some astronomical sibling quarrels might begin...
Always entertaining and informative, thanks! Cracks me up that you still do the trail-off liiiiive. People would probably have heart attacks if you suddenly didn't do it. 😁
For me it's not obvious at all that terraforming is easier than star travel. The theory that they want to invade for living space is possible. Passing a few light years and genetically modify themselves to be adapted for our planet.
Obsessed with this _Fermi_ _Paradox_ much? This hyperintelligent dude Fermi, during his lunch break, he suddenly looks up from his papers and shouts a catchy phrase. A phrase, so simple that every child even can follow his thoughts! Now that is a paradox! If you don't care about time? When you travel near light speed, time almost stands still. An outside observer will see you travel for centuries, but you and your crew may arrive at Vega in only 5 months board time. A close fly-by 70k years back? But many legends and myths mention the gods really visiting us. As short as this is in the Bible, that description still provides the most details. And it goes back around 70k years. The flood has erased any leftover traces. Other sources, from India, describe several alien races. 🚀🏴☠️🎸
JMG, you realize that what you are describing in the first minute is exactly the evidence we have of the UFO phenomenon? Literally the spookiest thing ever: it is pretty probable we are living in the worst-case scenario of the zoo hypothesis.
Here's a random thing that nobody thinks about. The smell of pine needles could be the equivalents of sulfur to us. The aliens could breathe , but the odors would be overwhelming. This is what pops in my head every time I watch Star Trek.
Love your content and creative thinking. The signal that could have been detected is the atmospheric nuclear bomb tests in the 1950-60s … that would play the ‘early warning signal’ scenario, triggering a corrective hygiene sweep?
I also graduated high school on the 90's ('97), and i remember my first college astronomy book's pictures of pluto were just red, white and blue pixels 🤯
One interesting thought. We always say aliens will not come to earth because we don't have a lot of rare materials. It's always possible that millions of years ago aliens visited, and strip mined the planet of most of the good and valuable stuff already, thus why we now don't have the good stuff.
Iirc the amount of rare materials in the earth crust is function of the composition of the promordial dust cloud that collapsed to form our system. Maybe aliens harvested *that*
I’m still a fan of the rare earth hypothesis. The amount of water on the Earth is just right, to a significant level of precision. 0.023% of the Earth’s mass is water. If it were a little lower or higher, the consequences would be enormous. There is an expectation that we will find tons and tons of ocean planets with arbitrary depths to their oceans because of this. And then there are all the other variables like a large moon, the rarity of the outer planets being gas giants, and so on. All of this is to say that I disagree with the proposed idea of “hopping during close stellar encounters”. Not that I can rule it out, but I assert the probability of two worlds with life having such an approach of their respective stars to be very low.
Love your work always but I just wanted to add that I would prefer if the background music continued throughout the entire video, just a little feedback!
10:05 I think the major issue with the Fermi Paradox, is that travel between the stars is nearly impossible on reasonable time scales that any intelligent species can ever do. That longevity, AI, and mind uploading will be the next real frontier once we begin to colonize our other planets. That the ability to send viable species between stars is such a vast expense that virtual worlds will be way less expensive than star travel for millions of years.
It's my opinion but I'm of the belief that humanity is not relevant in any shape or form, in relation to the universe. As much as we possibly think that ants aren't really important, we're only a step behind them. As Brian Cox said, perhaps we're no more relevant than slime.
Its also probably good that we have a decently long orbit too, if we orbited a red dwarf or an orange dwarf we would transit infront of our star way more often allowing the alien enemy to gather more info on our atmosphere and figure out more ways to kill us in a more timely manner
On the question of invasions, I think it would be more reassuring knowing any extraterrestrial encounter was with pre-programmed machines. Any aliens in a generation ship sounds like some form of hasty exodus. It might be hard to convince them to sail on by.
John, you should talk to Chris Mellon about the "drones" buzzing military sites... I should confess, it's more and more confusing to me to understand... Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
In the 1990's the concept of other galaxies was only about 60 years old. We are so very early on knowledge of the cosmos. 0.5% of the stars in the Milky Way is still a billion stars.
Long time fan. I have watched all of the videos on your channel over the years and I am starting to notice a decline in the quality of your videos. Maybe I am just going through alot and everything seems bad but regaurdless i appreciate your time and effort put into your videos.
congrats John I've been listening to your channel since it was like 10,000 people. I love to see how much your channel has grown. never change. That voice is some bomb ass ASMR.
Yes
I was explaining a Von Neumann probe to my brother Saturday, what timing. I'll send this along. Thanks. You did so masterfully what I attempted so feebly.
Something I was thinking the other day, what if empty space is valuable to advanced civilizations. Like, they actually migrate towards the voids for some reason, or they are helping to expand them. Thinking being some analogue to the way you can grow organs in micro-gravity but not in earth gravity. What if a near lack of any gravitational field is somehow useful.
Anything is possible as far as unknown unknowns go but I bet then we'd see light or other radiation coming out of deep space where, for reasons unknown to me, it shouldn't radiate anything.
"Not much way to get run over by a bus on a generational starship." Challenge accepted.
Plenty of elderly aliens on those generational starships. There's bound to be busses.
JMG; quite possibly the most suspicious man in the world.
Suspicious of things or to be suspicious of him 🤔😏
I find this comment very suspicious. Who are you? From what planet and time period do you come traveler?
@@nothere7198 Maybe we should be eyeing John Michael Godier suspiciously...
@@MadSpectre47 It would be stupid not to.
This is the only channel where I jump on a new upload right away. Keep up the great work 😊
Yeah, same, one of the few I do so for.
Same
legit - JMG is one of maybe three or four that are part of my regular rotation.
Love your videos. They almost always come right before bedtime.
When considering the question "why would _they_ come here for materials, when they're easily found throughout space," I recall a scientist speculating that our planet offers a lot of complex 'chemistry' that might not be so easy to procure elsewhere.
He added that something as ubiquitous to us, like chlorophyll, could be valuable to _them_ for mass harvesting.
chlorophyll? give them a few buckets each of Water Hyacinth, Azolla, and Duckweed. Those 3 plants are von Neumann machines in their own right.
IMO the rare resource hypothesis doesn't hold water... which is another *extremely* common resource in space.
Or just to establish dominance. Why use own resources when using someone else's also limits their growth.
@@Contrarian-ol2bc life itself is the rare resource
Truly one of the best channels on TH-cam. Feels like the sort of videos this site was meant for!
Never stop JMG!
“Every move you make,
Every breath you take,
Every single day,
I’ll be watching yooouuuu.”
- Aliens, probably.
Diddy more likely.
I am never disappointed with this channel. Every video is interesting! Thank you for all the videos!
Wow. This one really kind of gave me the creeps. Excellent video John. You never fail to keep me up alot longer than i intended to be, thinking about..or absolutely dreading..the possibilities that exist.
Woo 🎉 JMG can we please get a compilation video covering all the types of alien probes potentially floating out there in the solar system?
Oh man that might be the longest "liiiivvvee" yet, I love it!!
Thanks for another great episode as always John
Yuh
Always disappointed when he just says liv... all short like he's gotta go somewhere. Cheers
The anticipation of it has hacked my brain. I can't leave until I hear it.
try listening to it at 0.25 speeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed.......
I live for his liiiiive
@@bisin87 looks like that makes all of us😂 we're a simple bunch.
One year for April fools he should do the longest he can just for the meme 😂
A coral reef works on the principle you mention ,simply stay in one place and wait for food to float past then reach out and grab it, in fact many species hunt in this fashion, let's hope we never get to be on the menu of some giant intergalactic ant-lion
When broken down like this, it really does make little sense why anyone else in the universe would go to the trouble and expense of trying to come here. Any resource we offer would be closer, cheaper, and more abundant. The only other thing they could be interested in is us. But we haven't been here long enough to have telltale signs go far enough. It is a bit comforting at least to me. Thanks John!
Your attention to music and graphics is noticed! Love your show
Just coming in to listen, right after my quadannual watching of Independence Day, right after seeing a comet!
Just a few hundred years ago, the French academy of sciences declared that we had learned everything there was to know. I don't think that the science institutes of the current time are any different.
Most trajectories stars could follow on a flyby of Sol would pass through our ecliptic plane, which would MAKE them able to see transiting planets. About half of them would be able to see our transits before their closest approach, while there's still time to launch an invasion.
I’ve been a JMG fan since forever. 💜
Who farted?
Thank you John, perfect timing.
Near Halloween 😂
Consistently excellent content and John Michael Godier go hand-in-hand.
We may be the most predatory in our neighborhood. We are Klingons crossed with Ferengi.
I would introduce the aliens to the wonders of Metal!!! 🤘 Thanks for the video!
this logic is wise, and should be respected
I'm convinced that when aliens fly by Earth, they lock their doors.
Awesome talk, Mr Godier!
Thank you!
Ah lovely jmg then some sleep
I just hope they bring back Elvis.
He'd be all shook up from that experience!
I keep on vibing with every new JMG video but I secretly wait for news about JWST Trappist-1 or Tabby's star recent observations.
Your interpretation of the Zoo Hypothesis at the beginning of the video was 100% accurate to most UFO/ Contactee type reports. And unfortunately, that is the only one that has ever matched said spooky stories.
Don’t forget Mars Attacks!
ak-ak-ak-ak-ak!
We come in peace.
I always found it odd that people think there's no way an alien species would just sit back and observe us. That's precisely what I would believe we would do if we were an interstellar species. You wouldn't just go and land in the middle of a city. It'd be like handling an rare indigenous species of animal, right? You'd protect and observe it. Ensure its safety. Learn what you can from it.
Been thinking recently if the universe isn’t infinite we could legit be the only ‘intelligent’ life so far cos it’s only been 13 billion years, it’s basically still the very start of the universe
I think without FTL tech invasion is not really worthwhile, in fact it may be too dangerous to even be considered. I mean if your invasion fleet has a transit time of 10,000 years there is a real danger the target species may evolve beyond your technological level before you arrive. Or at least they may not be the pushovers you thought they'd be when you started the invasion. Same applies to sending some sort of AI. If the target species evolves sufficiently to detect and deal with your invasion probe you are now in an interstellar war who's out come is unknowable to you....Our own history has many examples of poorly throughout surprise invasions so I guess it's possible, but those are mostly instigated by power hungry tyrants. Launching a multigenerational campaign against an alien species you've never met, when the war will not take place in your lifetime doesn't sound like it would do much to stroke the ego of a space dictator. Especially when they can just abuse their own people in real time.
Also... 11,000 years later when the crab people invasion fleet arrive at Earth will anyone ever remember Gurk The Terrible started the war 20 generations ago? And what do the Crabs do when they arrive and signal the home world only to find out their own society no longer exist and nobody there even knows who Gurk was or thinks going ahead with the invasion is still a particularly good idea.
It's a big Universe. My inclination would be to steer clear of sentient species and try to colonize all the easy unoccupied worlds.
Read world war series by Harry Turtledove.
Big galaxy, unfathomably large universe.
would love to see a more in depth video on baryon acoustic oscillations. you mentioned it in a recent video and its been keeping me awake at night. good stuff as always JMG
Using a gravitional lense and a telescope for a 10km scope would be terribly op.
Just make your invasion ship look like a comet.
*Fingers crossed* Hoping for the Vulcans and not the Borg!
The commies yearn for the Borg
the Vulcans saw MAGA and gave up on us, but it's okay because silicon valley will make us all borg soon
Then the jokes on the Vulcans cause here we come...
I was going to suggest the Betazoids and Marina Sirtis, but being able to read my mind …
Or Assaris from ME, the male population would be gone overnight.
Read Cixin Liu’s remembrance of Earths past trilogy over the summer. It was an amazing thought provoking alien invasion story!
I love October with JMG!
Please please pretty please more spooky stuff lol You have an amazing talent and imagination thank you for sharing it with us.
"They mostly come at night....mostly."
I’m glad u showed out for Halloween season
thank you for this video, I watch your videos everynight, your the best TH-camr out right now please make the videos to 20+ mins that would be great I can't get enough
Even though the idea of alien invasion and takeover is scary, for sure. As someone who's lived a rough life, and knowing how others live, it doesn't frea me out as much as the idea of aliens just flat put annihilating us. Plenty of us already live in subjugation. But total destruction? Now that's terrifying.
That's why I have a fascination with sci-fi films and stories that play with the idea. Oblivion, as bogus as it was, and say what you will about Tom Cruise (you're probably right lol), is one of my favorites. I also love when sci-fi acknowledges a lack of understanding. The Flood from halo being a great example of this. An "unbeatable" threat, if you will.
Homogeneity extends many properties, such as homogeneous dispersal of "concentrations" throughout some volume. This makes me think of a spooky scenario, life "as we know it" requires phosphorous, which mostly appears to manifest in sporadic concentrations resulting from exploding stars; the sun is one of a large set of stars, many of which are similar-type stars sharing the phosphorus-cloud of the progenitor, and, at the timescale, these similar-type stars basically share a birthday. Soon enough, some astronomical sibling quarrels might begin...
Always entertaining and informative, thanks! Cracks me up that you still do the trail-off liiiiive. People would probably have heart attacks if you suddenly didn't do it. 😁
Thanks for the video john love ya!
For me it's not obvious at all that terraforming is easier than star travel. The theory that they want to invade for living space is possible. Passing a few light years and genetically modify themselves to be adapted for our planet.
Obsessed with this _Fermi_ _Paradox_ much?
This hyperintelligent dude Fermi, during his lunch break, he suddenly looks up from his papers and shouts a catchy phrase. A phrase, so simple that every child even can follow his thoughts! Now that is a paradox!
If you don't care about time? When you travel near light speed, time almost stands still. An outside observer will see you travel for centuries, but you and your crew may arrive at Vega in only 5 months board time.
A close fly-by 70k years back? But many legends and myths mention the gods really visiting us. As short as this is in the Bible, that description still provides the most details. And it goes back around 70k years. The flood has erased any leftover traces. Other sources, from India, describe several alien races.
🚀🏴☠️🎸
The extra dimensional quantum timelords know... oh they know.
👽👽👽👽👽We know.
AG Riddle, Winter wars is very similar to this hypothesis. Very good book/series
That's the Schneller Raumkreuzer Orion in the Thumbnail, and I dig that a lot.
Buckle up, everyone, this is going to be good!👻
My long time conjecture: A bio signature is a rare meeting point for alien civilisations in a very uniform cosmos.
There’s that soothing voice to put me to sleep
Great stuff, JMG! 🌌☄🎃👾👻
I love spooky October videos!
I love your channel. I've been subscribed for a long time, but usually don't comment.
JMG, you realize that what you are describing in the first minute is exactly the evidence we have of the UFO phenomenon? Literally the spookiest thing ever: it is pretty probable we are living in the worst-case scenario of the zoo hypothesis.
They are inter dimensional beings they come and go as they like
Considering how divisive politics have become, I don't blame extraterrestrials not making contact or invading.
Here's a random thing that nobody thinks about. The smell of pine needles could be the equivalents of sulfur to us. The aliens could breathe , but the odors would be overwhelming.
This is what pops in my head every time I watch Star Trek.
Love your content and creative thinking. The signal that could have been detected is the atmospheric nuclear bomb tests in the 1950-60s … that would play the ‘early warning signal’ scenario, triggering a corrective hygiene sweep?
I also graduated high school on the 90's ('97), and i remember my first college astronomy book's pictures of pluto were just red, white and blue pixels 🤯
I’m not saying it’s aliens but aliens
No I’m not, I mean it’s not ! It’s never aliens 👽
Is that Jennifer Lawrence on your book covers?
Clearly not
Just the video I needed right before bedtime pondering what other life exists out there.
One interesting thought. We always say aliens will not come to earth because we don't have a lot of rare materials. It's always possible that millions of years ago aliens visited, and strip mined the planet of most of the good and valuable stuff already, thus why we now don't have the good stuff.
Iirc the amount of rare materials in the earth crust is function of the composition of the promordial dust cloud that collapsed to form our system. Maybe aliens harvested *that*
Nobody, even aliens will leave gold behind. It’s so pure you can eat it
To further speculate, maybe earths life began from an accidental contamination on their part or purposefully so.
Best case scenario:
They are Jane Goodall,
We are the chimpanzees.
Let's hope they don't get a taste for bush meat!
"...the right one hasn't passed us yet."
That's what we say when space mom asks why we're not seeing anyone.
I love which we liiiiive every time
I’m still a fan of the rare earth hypothesis. The amount of water on the Earth is just right, to a significant level of precision. 0.023% of the Earth’s mass is water. If it were a little lower or higher, the consequences would be enormous. There is an expectation that we will find tons and tons of ocean planets with arbitrary depths to their oceans because of this. And then there are all the other variables like a large moon, the rarity of the outer planets being gas giants, and so on.
All of this is to say that I disagree with the proposed idea of “hopping during close stellar encounters”. Not that I can rule it out, but I assert the probability of two worlds with life having such an approach of their respective stars to be very low.
space is so interesting it’s peak curiosity for me
They are after our spiritual energy
We’ve run dry
😂
Love your work always but I just wanted to add that I would prefer if the background music continued throughout the entire video, just a little feedback!
Nice subtle references to what the Greys and other UAP phenomenon are believed to be.
How rare is wood in the universe maybe that's what they want
What if ʻOumuamua was an alien probe?
Then they know that coming here would be a pointless waste of time and resources... 🤷🏻
So what if it was and ?
10:05 I think the major issue with the Fermi Paradox, is that travel between the stars is nearly impossible on reasonable time scales that any intelligent species can ever do. That longevity, AI, and mind uploading will be the next real frontier once we begin to colonize our other planets. That the ability to send viable species between stars is such a vast expense that virtual worlds will be way less expensive than star travel for millions of years.
Oh no! They really are waiting for the 'stars to be right'!
Hey.. we have the same initals.. JMGs rock!!!
Shock! new background music
With such topics I always have to think of the 3 body problem books.
It's my opinion but I'm of the belief that humanity is not relevant in any shape or form, in relation to the universe. As much as we possibly think that ants aren't really important, we're only a step behind them. As Brian Cox said, perhaps we're no more relevant than slime.
Its also probably good that we have a decently long orbit too, if we orbited a red dwarf or an orange dwarf we would transit infront of our star way more often allowing the alien enemy to gather more info on our atmosphere and figure out more ways to kill us in a more timely manner
Drones with bells and whistles will be the end of us!
But the galaxy deep voiceover here will save us! ♥
Add to this something like a Caplan Thruster where you can move your star.
On the question of invasions, I think it would be more reassuring knowing any extraterrestrial encounter was with pre-programmed machines.
Any aliens in a generation ship sounds like some form of hasty exodus. It might be hard to convince them to sail on by.
John, you should talk to Chris Mellon about the "drones" buzzing military sites... I should confess, it's more and more confusing to me to understand...
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Don’t forget Starship Troopers!
30 seconds ago is crazy
Love the video, thank you!
In the 1990's the concept of other galaxies was only about 60 years old.
We are so very early on knowledge of the cosmos. 0.5% of the stars in the Milky Way is still a billion stars.
Great content.
Made me think of the "Ringmakers of Saturn"
"Then the paradigm changes entirely....but not entirely!"
🤔
We're in a simulation.. but maybe there are other self aware lifeforms in another part of this sim?
We're so back!
How back?
@@RichMitchbare
Long time fan. I have watched all of the videos on your channel over the years and I am starting to notice a decline in the quality of your videos. Maybe I am just going through alot and everything seems bad but regaurdless i appreciate your time and effort put into your videos.