Fender 65 Blackface vs 68 Silveface Deluxe Reverb | Product Demo
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Angus Marshall is this guy's name. Seriously? That's, like, the best guitar player's name ever.
You'd figure he'd play some AC/DC, right!? :)
+PeterPug007 that or he's got a beefy tone, amirite? ; )
+spankyboy0710 Him and Martin Taylor should get together.
Angus Ottawa is better
His mate's name must be Jimi Fender.
3:04 65 clean
5:12 69 clean
3:21 65 breakup
5:23 68 breakup
4:37 65 + Xotic SL
6:35 68 + Xotic SL
Tested Both the 65 and the 68. Both are great Amps, but the 68 has a warmer tone and access to the Reverb/Tremelo across both channels gives the 68 a distinct advantage in my opinion.
I had both amps for a while . When A & B ing them I found the Blackface had a darker and warmer tone . Silver face has a bit more clarity with the Highs and still a crisp bottom . Both were great amps and it was a tough choice but I'm sticking with the Silverface for now.
Good Problems
I bought the 68 and didn't even realize there was a 65 when I bought it. The only thing off-putting to me is that low-level hum that's always there when you turn down the guitar. But the sound of the amp as a whole is great!
I tested both these amps at my local music shop to see what I could replace my Hot Rod Deville with. The '65 is very bright and does have more clean headroom, but the '68 has a definite advantage over the '65 for a few reasons. The Custom channel is fatter, warmer and aligns so well with pedals and makes a single coil guitar like a Strat or Tele sound rich and delicious. The availability of Tremelo and Reverb across both channels is also a great improvement on the '65 where most players ignore one channel almost completely and simply use the Vibrato channel. Finally, the Celestion speaker is a really nice departure from the alnico Jensen. It imparts a lot more warmth and the bass response is much better. After demoing the '65 I plugged into the '68 and it was no contest. I have had the '68 Custom for about 12 months now and the speaker has broken in beautifully. Make no mistake. This is one of the best Fender amps of the last decade. Buy it!!!
+David Robson Some people are saying that the 68 reissue silverface amps have problems, are made in Mexico, etc., and that it's much safer to either buy a vintage 70's silverface or stick tot he USA made reissues? I'm tempted by this silverface 68 deluxe reverb reissue shown in the video , and the price is lower than the 65. What do you think?
+George London I've had the amp for almost 2 years and it has exhibited no issues at all. Very pleased with it in all aspects. The vintage channel has a bit more clean headroom than the custom channel but I find it fulfils all my needs!
David Robson Thank you so much. I think I'm going to just go ahead and buy one! I'm either going with the 68 deluxe or the 68 Twin.
David Robson 65 speaker is ceramic too,not alnico
Demetrios what’s the difference between twin and deluxe???
Dang I was about to buy the 68, but the blackface kills it on this demo imho.
The best demo to fender de luxe reverb 65 vs 68
Blackface at 6 3:18 Silverface at 6 5:22
Very similar, the 68 was a bit gainier tho
Very interesting and more difference in tone than I expected. Obviously the silver has the advantage when it comes to the channels setup. But the speaker gives the blackface so much more clarity in sound. I’d have to go for the blackface.
I'd have the 65 in a heartbeat
Would be good to hear the 68 with the Jensen C12 just to make the comparison of the actual amp section easier for us to hear. Thanks for the demo, it's useful still now!
Amazing! When demoing the '65, I did not see where the guitar cable is plugged in. It is like magic I guess.
Both great but the '65 wins it for me.
the silverface! thicker sound, sweeter tone, the breakup is smoother with bite.
Take the 68 and put a Jensen C12K in it. I did and i love it.
The 68 stock valves are crap. They lasted only 6 months on mine. Now i have electro harmonix with a new rectifier, bias tuning, it's an AWESOME amp.
Both winners. The 68 will win for those looking for warmer tone and nice crunch. The 65 DRRI will win for those who want headroom and brighter tone. I just got the 68 custom and it's started to break in. much smoother now than when it got out of the box. Thanks Angus for a great demo. Very well done.
Played the 65 today at GC used good condition for $725.Wish I could have taken it home with a red bow on top
Great tones. Makes me miss my old Deluxe Reverb.
That 68 on the bridge pickup dimed was scorchin!
I went with the 65...prefer the 68, but can't gel with the lower headroom. I'm about to replace the Jenson with a louder and darker voiced eminence, which should warm it up to my taste and add even more headroom.
I already own the '65, but man, I'm tempted to sell it for a '68 now.
that blackface with 3 on the volume at the start is what fender amps are all about. PURE clean!
Agree. Fender needs to make a 25 Watt Princeton Reverb with 1x12 - with: " NO CABINET RATTLE " and Tons of CLEAN HEADROOM !!!
i prefer the 65 deluxe reverb myself
All are arguing which one is better, but the only difference is speaker on channel 2 . So , in amp design , the difference is in channel 1. 65 is reissue of originals with normal 1. channel without reverb ,and 68 custom is with bassman circuit with reverb on. If you sit on channel 2 all the time on 65 reissue, there is no brainer to get 68 and put what ever speaker you prefer , and have an extra option with normal 1. channel bassman type.
65 DRRI for me. Both nice though.
Great AB demo ..... really tough choice to have to choose one over the other.......they both sound amazing
Spot on man, great review. Really balanced comparison between the two. So nice to find something so fair, balanced and not biased toward one or the other. You have helped me in my decision process.
Hello BFMC...what are those 3 chords he plays starting at 3:10? He repeats that sequence throughout the video...thanks.
On the fence on which amp would be best for me. This video settled it for me. I like the headroom on the '65 DRRi. Great demo thanks!
Nice but next can you A-B switch and switch back and forth to do a real side-by-side of the 2 amps at the various setting levels?
Besides God only knows how that 65 was plugged in, I think it sounds for straight blues SRV etc styles and the 68 has more broad spectrum of tones, warmer indeed. Does anyone hears Hendrix tones in that 68?
Cheers for the demo... wow big tone difference just between the 2 speakers Jensen and Celestion G12
finally! this was the perfect review very informational! thank you!
Nice!! Both are amazing. I would take the Silver one if I had a big house with a soundproofing studio.
Great Comparison!! There are definite differences in tone. When you drive the 68 Custom/Bassman channel, wow the power tube OD is amazing. I know why people like the Fender Bassman amps.
The Silverface is definitely more versatile; love the Bassman circuit. But there's just something about the sound of a cranked Blackface/Jensen that gives me goosebumps
I wish my jam room looked like that! ha ha cheers from mtw in L.A. Fender fan since 1998.
Played old Twins, Champs, Vibro Champs, Got a 1998 Hot Rod Deluxe chrome top, digging into SRV "Strats thru Fender" territory.
And VibroKings for dream rig. Aaaah need a roadie for those. Waddy Watchell played2 Vibro kings weekly while us poor regular folk played the house 1/2 stack. A Crate Red Voodoo. Fun Times at the Joint in Beverly Hills Mondays. Also Petie's Reseda rock jam had Fender Blues Jr's being the guest jammers' top choice. Master Teacher Dan Sindel brought out Princetons for70's Stones jams. Oooooh! Fenders =fun.
I've got a Strat body identical to that, I did the finish myself and also made the body from templates off my '61, and now I feel better about not going more opaque. And it's funny I intend to switch the pickguard from 50's style white with gold hardware to green with nickle like that one because mine has a BRW slab board neck (switch to the '59 - '62 theme). Enough sidetracking, I think the re-issues suck compared to the vintage originals, don't know why I'm here.
the 68 takes the drive pedal better than the 65 RI.
Both are great!. I'd go fro the 68 before the 65... But I have a Hot Rod Deluxe that I've mod'ed (tone stack, speakers the works.. and it sounds as good as these both do... I still want a 68 though....
I played the 65 at Guitar Center for a while. The tone was blowing my friend and I away. The price tag scared me away. I guess Fender knows what it will sell for, but my "high" guess would have been something like $850. I would be happy paying $600-700. $850 would seem a little high, but $1100 seems like they are pushing it a bit. I assume its an MDF cab with PCB construction. The original amps are finger jointed pine with point to point wiring.
+Chris Mann -True, but in 1968, the DR cost $250. Using an inflation calculator, that comes to about $1,900 in today's dollars. With point to point, you get what you pay for.
+Chris Tyrpak I don't think they are point-to-point. I still like it though. If it fit my "amp budget" I would get one.
The reissues are NOT point to point
Yeah. If they were they would probably want $2500 for it.
Chris Mann Is not mdf,is baltic birch plywood firger jointed cab as the original back in 60s,just tweed used solid pine back in the day.
Blackface for me!
Great demo THanks! I do prefer the Custom 68 as well
Sounds like the amp is a bit too noisy with the single coils. I love the fact that these amps are under 50 lbs. My Bad Cat Hot Cat sounds better than either amp but it weighs 88 lbs. I’m looking for good sounding lighter alternatives. These sound better live than this recording might indicates. Still a good video.
I am in the market. Do you still recommend the Bad Cat Hot Cat? I saw a 30R 30wx12" for 1,671 so a few hundred more. What makes it better? Which others might you recommend today- at home player, low volume....always...like 2. Bad ear.
I would like to have them both in my room & keep the one I like and return the other
Get some acoustic treatment for that room mate. Sounds like a totally empty cube. Put something on them walls
Some early 70s SF deluxes have the same circuitry as the BF.
65 is the better of the two no doubt
Cheers mate this really helped. 😎🤘
nice review
Thanks Jeff! Anything else you might want to see looked at by BigMusicShop?
At 4:00 Sounded like a riff from the angels. A song called round we go?
Nice video. Now do it with a lp in standard tuneing please. Im leaning tward either the 68 or the supro bblack magic for my next amp. Thanks bro
68!... but Mesa LSClassic \m/.
Looks like the mic is positioned right over the dust cap. Move it off center a bit, please.
Speakers are offset on these amps
He needs to plug his guitar into the amp first. How's he getting any sound out of them?
The video is already done
Nice I had a 65
Nice demo!
The '68 CDR is not a silverface amp, it's a AB763 based amp like the DRRI '65
AND... They say 22 watts. A normal 6V6 gives 12 watt in class A, those work in push pull mode.
To get 11 watt out of each tube you need to bias them cooking hot.
Only TAD and JJ have 14 watt 6V6 tubes, and even then you need to bias them more then 70%.
Also the Power transformer will be very very hot.
68 is just juicier. Better speaker as well
good tones for sure..
Great Vid/Demo. Thx. Couldnt help but notice how well your Strat cleaned up with out getting muddy or losing its highs. Do you run a treble bleed? if so, can you give details...
Both reissues I’m guessing. I have a 65 deluxe...only owner.
E(5th) G#(4th) D(3rd) F#(2nd) B(1st) It´s a E9 chord, he moves it down a half-step, then up again to E9, then moves it a whole step up, (F#9) and then goes down chromatically (F#9-F9-E9) (play that funky usic white boy! - wild cherry)
I have never had a 65 amp in any music that I did not turn on and the noise level without anything being plugged in was just to much and these were new amps at different store s
'65 on 10 at 3:42
'68 on 10 at 5:50
That 68 has way more clarity.
@@natureandphysics403 Yeah, but the 65 sounds warmer.
What are u dring it with. I own the 68. And it's still pretty clean cranked up
The Silverface is brighter
Tuned down a half-step, though
The real winner here is that strat.
will the silverface still breakup sooner if i changed the speaker to jensen, weber or jbl? i love the two channels but i just want more headroom.
I think I have a pretty good awareness of gear and amp prices and designs. I think these amps are overpriced at least $100 compared to other amps. These are mass produced PCB amps. They sound good, but I think you're paying probably $200+ for the novelty of having a reissue.
Very few amps that are not pcb on the market
Dave B. you must have a lot of money than if you only buy point to point soldered amps
Angus Marshall and he’s playing Fenders? You had one job! 😂
can you show us the natural amp distortion on these amps? With no distortion pedals? I know the powerful Twins have some real good distortion, if you set it up right..even though they are more known for clean sounds.. I think it is cool that you test them with a Strat, of course. these are all re-issues of course, right?
He wasn't using any pedals. That is the tube overdrive you're hearing.
QUESTION: Is there anyway to hook up a headset?
Great playing! Does the 68 have enough clean headroom to play with a drummer?
Neither of them have enough headroom to play with a drummer. You'll need a pro reverb or just all out for the twin with 85 watts. The more watts, the more clean headroom.
Hello...GREAT demonstration and playing! What are those three chords you run down starting at 3:29? I can't quite get the notes...thanks.
Larry Marseglia -Hey Larry, he is playing fifth fret on the A string, seventh on the D string (first chord); fourth fret on the A string, seventh on the D sstring again (second chord) and the third chord is A major. On the first two chords you need to let G string ring out.
Larry Marseglia I'm answering because you asked multiple times, rock on man
Larry Marseglia I was checking with my guitar, and they first two chords you should play it a string lower than I told you. I feel so stupid now.
E-9
They're definitely both 35w, not 22w. the Deluxe Reverb is 22w
are you using pedals to get those tones or is it straight through the amp
thanks
i I got one and sold it because it sucks. they have all kinds of problems with the printed circuit boards, poping noses and over all sound is week not even close to a vintage deluxe. RIP
was it just me or did the 68 sound a bit thin on 3 .... and there is a clarity that sounds so meh .... i dunno but im not to sure i like it lol .....
65
Blackface all day long.
😎хорошая гитара в не нех руках
Man that mic is cliping bad, I think the amp probably sounds pretty nice but it's hard to tell with all the clipping on your mic preamp!
***** No it's the mic. I'm listening on a late 2014 MacBook Pro and the there is definitely clipping. At first I thought the speaker on that 68 was bad, until I realized it was the mic.
Elean Mendoza
Yes, the recording is clipping. Technically the mic isn't clipping, unless that particular mic can handle the SPL coming into it, but it looks like Shure 57, which can easily handle either of those amps speakers volume levels. If the mic is running into the camera's mic input that's likely where the problem is as it probably can't handle the signal level.
But I agree it would sound even better if the recording was done better. Both of those amps have great natural over drive tones and the 68 breaks up sooner.
I tried both over and over and decided the 68 CDR was for me. It has a warmer tone and it has 2 different tone stacks so it's a real 2 channel amp whereas the 65 is one channel repeated with one of them having reverb and tremolo. On the 68 both channels have reverb and tremolo along with different tone stacks.
68 has "custom" and "vintage" channels. The custom is based on the Fender bassman tone stack and the vintage is the same as the 65 except the bright cap is removed thus giving it a warmer tone.
Which one is better is all about personal taste and wants. Either one is a GREAT sounding amp.
*****
I just listened to this recording again at my work computer, which I use for video editing and audio, through M-Audio BX5 audio monitors, and the recording of course sounds a good bit better than my original listening on decent but not really good Asus laptop speakers. These real audio monitors range and clarity are vastly greater than any laptop speakers.
Still, at times there is a hint of clipping/distortion that does not sound like it's from the amps. But it's so minor as to not be worth discussing as it's quite transient.
In the days of analogue/analog recording we would try to run as close to 0db as we could to get max level above the noise floor before clipping, and if and when it did clip the distortion was fuzzy but not ugly unless of course one went way too far. So I, and likely most, shot for around -3db with peaks at 0 and no higher. With digital that has changed. Digital does not like anything above it's maximum or it gets really ugly really fast. Trent Reznor came to fame exploiting digital's limits. :)
Now I shoot for -6db as my average and try not to get anywhere near 0db on the recording. Luckily, with digital we can run lower as the noise floor is so much lower as well.
BTW, I've had record levels showing good, below clipping, yet still hear some transient unwanted distortion/clipping. It can come from the input for the mic set too hot. Clipping can occur right there even though that mics channel sent to record may show the recording as being at optimal level, the record level is showing the level of the recorded signal but not the level at the input to the channel. Meaning, the channel input can be clipping occasionally even while the record level shows optimal. I'm not saying that's what happened here, just wanted to point that out to those new to recording. Still, great job on the video giving us a side by side comparison of the tonal differences between these 2 great amps.
To answer your question, I've only run these amps to around 7 not 10. The 65 sings with power tube distortion by 7. The 68 sings with it's distortion just a tad sooner.
For example, where the 65 starts to break around 5, the 68 does so around 4, and that's all by Fender's design as they intended it to be that way.
Shaft Johnson I believe the problem is on your end! Sound fine here!
Rip
Blackface all day, every day
jeff beck strat?
these amps feature reverb and tremolo, not vibrato.
omfg51 yes, technically you are correct, but it is referred to as vibrato in the video because fender has always called the tremolo enabled channel the “vibrato” channel… This has caused confusion between the two effects for decades, Of course…
What is the smaller amp just above the 65? Thanks
Princeton
Which has more clean at high volume? (Crunch. Later) ty
00DirectorsCut00 DRRI hat more headroom if you are looking for that. I have the 68custom and wow, terrific amp.
I'm looking for a twin 65 but I don't know if close to a classic 100w by volume.
No cabels plugged in to the amps ???? Mic only???? Well done.
WTF !?! I just noticed that, too. Oh, okay. It's because he's actually plugged into a Vox.
It's plugged in. You can see the cable on the BF running to the left right above the tags. And it's obviously noticeable on the SF.
Is that a tube casing I hear rattling on the 68?
That's why I brought mine back
All speaker.Fender knew they blew it on the 65
Black face for days.
Yellow screaming room and matching guitar, coincidence?
didn't say that they were reissues
+Scumbucker He's got a showroom full of NOS originals with the hangtags and everything. They were sealed in a magic vault for 50 years. Also, he is an alien.
oh shit
+Scumbucker You can't see it in the video, but just to the right of him is Jimi Hendrix in a green fluid.
10
3:46
5:53
Anyone know which chords he's using at the beginning?
stretch90 Just a dominant 9 chord, a blues classic !
ampfan100 Thanks. I suck at rhythm guitar so I'm trying to learn as much as I can.
stretch90 E9 - www.justinguitar.com/images/RH-images/RH-021-E9-A.jpg. Ad some slides up and down keeping that shape.
He's pretty much doing Play That Funky Music... Lol
65 just have more soul in tone, sry.
Hello Harry...do you know the chords this fellow is using at 3:29? That grouping sounds familiar but I cannot place it, or play it! Thanks. Larry
@@lrmars X057XX X047XX X022XX. His guitar is tuned down a half step.
good comparison, finally someone shows side by side on vol 6-10
the 65 all the way for me - the 68 on 8-10 sounds like shit
IF u ever played an vintage silverface or blackface - you know what im talkin bout
+frank Unfortunately the 68 Silverface was the same circuit as the 65 back when, and is on the vintage channel as well on these RI. They didn't tweak it until later 69 and 70. And, that's if that mattered with these RIs, which it really doesn't. Personally, on the bridge, cranked, particularly on the Custom channel, 68 all the way.
sound not real, compress and trebly
how tf you turn that on 10 indoors? 5 shakes my house
The '65 sounds SO MUCH BETTER!
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