Also, because you checked the comments, get an extra 20% OFF my Lightroom Preset pack using the coupon code: dansfan20 www.dan-sally.com/product-page/phoenix-extended These will save you TONS of time creating edits and is literally the presets I use for all the images I edit. After YEARS of using them for my images, they are finally available!
It's the most epic travel camera in my opinion. Slap a tiny 24mm 2.8 on it and the sheer pixel density will give you crop for days to make the shots what you want all in a tiny package.
I purchased the A7CR after two weeks of using the A7Cii. Not because the A7Cii was bad. It's a great camera. For a few more hundred dollars however, I get access to 61mp, gives me crop flexibility, a grip to go with it which makes it easier to use with bigger lenses. The few instances I use it for video, I cannot complain about how the A7CR outputs video files especially on Super 35mm mode. I use the Prograde or Sandisk V60 or V90 memory cards, which means I am not bothered by the buffer limitations. This camera is more future-proof than the A7Cii. I don't think I'll crave for more than 61mp in the next 2-3 years. Now I have been using my Canon R6 Mark II much less. It's possible this is the camera that makes me switch to Sony for good.
@@learningcameras review was helpful especially for those who don't mind the bigger better costlier A7RV which is the path I would have taken if it were the only camera I shoot with.
Are you happy with the A7CR?? Cos. I'm thinking of buying it (My first camera) although i do have knowledge about cameras, and know how to operate them but never had my own camera. So do you think these camera is worth of buying?
I’m picking up an a7CR to use as a 2nd camera alongside my a7RV. I mostly shoot landscapes and do a lot of hiking/backpacking to get to locations that I want to shoot. Having a smaller and more compact option on those trips without any compromises in image quality is something I am really looking forward to. Also when I don’t have a long hike, I often like to set up two tripods and camera bodies with different focal length lenses in order to maximize my variety of images when the conditions go off. Here again, having a smaller more compact body as the 2nd camera in the bag allows me to do that more easily. I’m a bit disappointed that Sony didn’t find a way to give us a multi port for a wired shutter release and that they also didn’t include the multi axis screen, but to have the same internals and image quality as an a7RV in a small body that actually increases the versatility of my overall kit, while also saving $900 over buying 2nd A7R (which I inevitably would have done) really still feels like a win in my book.
I get that there are compromises due to the A7CR’s smaller size but I feel that many people miss is that the smaller, more inconspicuous look and size is sometimes the end goal. Sure, the A7RV has a better screen etc. etc. but where I live, I want a more basic looking smaller camera. I don’t want something that screams big, expensive professional camera!! I’d much more easily grab the CR when I head out on a photo walk and keep it with me than an R5!
I agree with you...but the A7CII gives you that just at a lower resolution so you have to really want the higher megapixel count to get the CR instead. But again, if you want the A7CII but don't mind paying extra for more resolution, get the CR! It's a great camera
As someone who does landscape photography and hikes a lot the size is very compelling. I largely stayed with APS-C because of the size. The A7C got my attention, the 2 more so and then I discovered the R which was finally a good reason to leave my workhorse a6400. The ability to crop in images in post is one of the common “issues” I run into and the high resolution makes that much less an issue. The more I hear about this camera the more I cant help but think it’s basically built for me. 😂
I purchased the A7CR to replace both my 2nd body (A9i) and my travel camera (A6600). It's 2x cameras in 1. I can use all my APS-C lenses in crop mode and still get 26MP, when I want to travel light... and it's a decent full frame 2nd body to compliment my A1.
I just purchased the A7Cr. Ironically, Sony was offering a trade in of ANY lens or camera which would have brought the A7Rv to the same price as the A7Cr and I still chose the A7Cr for its smaller size. I'm done carrying larger cameras and this is so nice for walking around without looking like I am going on a photo shoot. Ive paired it with the 20-70 f4 lens and very happy with the combo.
After a long haul flight to an incredible destination where I may never find myself again I cant see past having the full 61mp A7CR to hand to capture big landscapes rather than getting home after shooting with the 33mp A7C 2 and wishing Id gone for 61mp.
Then consider the A7RV instead. It has much faster transfer speeds, a better screen, viewfinder, dual cards, better ergonomics, and less overheating so if you need the 61MP, I'd tend to lean towards the A7RV unless you NEED the smallest lightest option possible
@@willcram8350My calculation was off, but a 22.8% improvement would translate into a 72.5x viewfinder (unless you’re measuring on a different criteria). In any case, i did purchase this model after trying it out at a Sony event in NYC last month. I found the improvement noticeable.
What's compelling about this camera is the high megapixel sensor for shooting macro on weekends with a body small enough that, when I slap a 50mm prime on it, I'll also want to carry it around in my work bag every day
Absolutely...can't argue with that. I just think at this price it's harder to justify for things like that compared to the A7CII. But if you can swing it and high MP makes a difference, which in macro it absolutely can, I'm all for it! Again, I'm a huge fan of this sensor
I have a Nikon Z8 and Z9, and a Sony A7IV, therefore, all the high speed shooting and excellent video is covered. I just bought the A7CR to get that succulent, full-frame 61 MP sensor in a tiny body. I want the tiny body!! I want the massive resolution! I can stick this thing in my manbag and go everywhere with it. No one makes a camera like this one: huge sensor in a tiny body. I am willing to accept the minor tradeoffs to own this little beast of a camera.
For a wedding photographer, it's crucial to understand the preview displayed on the camera screen. Sometimes, clients also wish to view the picture. And understanding the colors and details during the shoot is essential, making the display a critical factor. The Sony A7 III and A7C seem to have very poor displays. The A7 IV offers an improved display for live shooting. However, there's uncertainty about the new A7 CR. Is it similar to the A7 IV or worse? It's Have the same sensor and almost everyting like A7 R5, but there's a lack of information on the on-display shooting experience. I'd appreciate a review or video recommendation specifically focusing on this aspect.
The display on the A7CR is the same as the A7CII. It's not the best and definitely doesn't help represent the quality of your images. You really need to step up to the A7RV for that better display if you want the 61MP
I wish I'd had it the last several days of shooting wildlife. The AF on my A7iv isn't smart enough, 36mp doesn't support a lot of cropping. I'm buying a CR mid October.
I'm with you, I think the A7RV is the better buy here. The finder, flexible rear screen and dual card slots and the focus toggle were enough to sway me to the A7RV.
@@lindacruze7042 the rear screen on the A7RV has a more advanced movement design for more viewing options and angel. The A7Cr is a flip-out to the side screen only.
It is interesting to assume that the reduced FPS and longer minimum shutter speed are there for technical reasons. In my opinion, this is a deliberate limitation due to product segmentation, nothing more. The same situation applies to the reading speed of the sensor. Who would buy an A1 if non-stacked sensors were fast? (and that it is technically possible is demonstrated well by Canon).
You could be right. But I think there are a few reasons to believe it's hardware limited. Now, Sony could have used better hardware and probably should have especially in the A7CR version. But writing 61mp files to SD is going to be slow and I'm pretty sure they just have a small buffer and Sony decided not to allow CFexpress making it even slower. And when I saw the 1/4000 shutter speed, that signals to me Sony is using their cheaper shutter mechanism and not the new higher end one in the A7RV which would explain why it's limited to slower mechanical frame rates.
The Q3 has a fixed 28mm f/2 lens. For CONSIDERABLY less money, you could get the Sony a7cr, and Sigma's 20mm f/2, 35mm f/2, and 90mm f/2, and have money left over to go somewhere cool to shoot. Or if you prefer, you could swap the 90mm f/2 for Sony's 85mm f/1.8. And while it's not the perfect wildlife camera, it DOES have monster resolution, allowing deep cropping. Pair it with Sigma's new 500mm f/5.6 tele, and you've got a hand holdable wildlife rig that's less money than an Alpha 1 body, alone.
Another way of looking at it is having 61Mpix in such a portable package and with the addition of selective size RAW you can use it in M RAW at 26Mpix and have small file size with (to my eye, look at tests/comparisons) better definition than A7iV / A7CII 33Mpix.
I should definitely do some comparisons to see if the A7CII at full resolution is actually better than the 26MP mode on the A7CR. In theory, they have the same sensor technology so the A7CII should be just as good unless you absolutely are utilizing the full resolution
I'm so glad i held off getting the a7rv. I'm currently on the a7rii. So it's probably about time for an upgrade. Though now I'm stuck between the a7c ii or a7cr...
It's not that the A7CR isn't technically better... if someone gifted me a camera, I'd ask form the A7CR over the A7CII lol. But the A7CR just feels like the hardware isn't on par with a a $3k camera with things like a low resolution viewfinder, screen, not having CFexpress, and things like that where the A7CII feels a bit more justified
I've been waiting for this release to make a decision about a 2nd "smaller' walk-around camera (& something maybe my wife would want to use instead of her iPhone). I have the a7RV. The a6700 is considered also. So I was thinking maybe this a7CR would fit the bill, to use when I feel like having a smaller camera, using it with an APS-C lens (crop of this a7CR is down to 26MP, which is great!). Then when I want a "backup" to my a7R V, this would work as a nice FF camera body. But is it so much smaller that it makes a big difference compared to the a7R V?? But for $3000 (!! wow), it seems there are just too many things missing (awesome a7RV 5-axis articulating screen, full size HDMI, 2 card slots, CF-A capable, and horrible LCD & viewfinder resolution (come on Sony, only 1M LCD & 2.4M viewfinder? in a $3000 body??)), all add up to maybe this a7CR is a NO for me. For less than HALF the cost ($1400) I can get that nice small camera setup in the a6700, with APS-C lenses, and it can be my backup during trips. How many times have I ever needed a backup camera on my trips? ZERO Great Review Dan!
Bought a7cR arriving today as want a travel camera & daily bike ride along camera that matches, surpasses the abilities of my two a7R4s that have owned for a while. By the way with memorial day discounts I'm paying only $400-500 less than an a new a7R5... that's how much having a lighter smaller form factor means to me.
Put a 16-35mm f/2.8 G-Master on the a7cr, and you've got a Leica-killer. Or if you prefer compact primes, Sigma's i-Series lenses lenses are an excellent option.
The A7cR is truly the better buy, ESPECIALLY as it is $800 below the cost of an A7RV; my only true complaint is: As the sensor is 61 megapixels, why on EARTH did Sony not offer a single slot that accepts both CF Express Type A plus the normal SDXC cards?? At $3,000 they should have at least done that
Dual card slots or internal storage would have been good. Imagine if the grip extension had space to slide a card or internal memory. Almost no extra weight for massive expansion possibilities.
The camera body is small and compact, but the lens is still massive (same lenses as for A7R5), so camera/lens setup overall size is not that much smaller when combined together.
I agree. The R version needed CF express or it just feels laggy with 61mp and a small buffer. And if you shoot lossless compressed which is what I shoot, it's only 5-6fps and even slower than compressed RAW
I love the sensor on this camera, but this is a lot to pay for a compact camera...no matter how good the quality is. But if that's not an issue, go for it!
@@TCinSoCal I ordered the A7CR to try as a travel camera. But, since I had the A7RV cameras, I decided to return the A7CR and buy an A7CII. But, I liked the A7CR so much that I bought it again. Now, I'm seriously thinking about selling my A7RV cameras. If I was a pro I'd definitely stick with the A7RV cameras. But, since I'm not, the A7C cameras are fine for me. And I wouldn't shoot above 3200 unless I absolutely had to.
@@PhotoTrekr Thank you. Sounds like I should stick with the A7Cii. I think the 33 sensor is plenty for me and I need to be able to go to 6400.. maybe 8000 without significant noise.
I think hybrid is a weakness for Sony because when I shoot video, 4k60 is a must and none of their cameras do full frame 4k60. So I lean towards the A7CR just because it's the lowest crop or the A7IV as a 2nd choice and you might have to pair a wide angle APSC lens when you need 4k60 and a wider field of view. Sony right now almost requires 1 camera for video and another for photo to get my perfect features. I think the Canon R6II is a better single body hybrid camera until Sony drops something with full frame 4k60
Thanks Dan and purely for photography which one you prefer between A7CII and A74 ?@@learningcameras Canon always has better camera than Sony but the problem is no third party lenses. I heard Canon is gonna open their mount to third party lenses soon.
@@neethuandthomasphotography Both are great but the A7CII has some new features so if you can live without the hardware benefits of the A7IV (bigger viewfinder, dual cards, full size HDMI port), I'd say the A7CII is extremely tempting for the price. Personally, I need the hardware features of the A7IV so that's what I would buy
@@learningcameras I'm a fuji user from India also Fujifilm India Ambassador. I love these cameras generally. If I've a choice I would prefer A74 over A7CII. This new camera from Sony is ergonomically too small for me . They should have priced 1500 USD like Canon R8.
I just returned my almost new A6700 when I discovered I could crop this and get the same 26 megapixels using my two APS-C lenses for travel. It's a dual use camera. I am primarily using a Canon R5 at home and am transitioning to Canon RF lenses, but I'm fortunate enough to be able to afford this overpriced(?) Sony. The sensor is what did it. It is nearly the same size and weight as the A6700. When I decide to buy a full frame lens from Sony (or another manufacturer), I have a full frame camera that can take advantage of these other lenses. I like not being stuck in Canon world, as much as I love my R5. I'm apparently a camera geek now.
You are correct. Lossless RAW slows down the frame rate to around 6fps so pretty slow! Even shooting in a lower MP doesn't help so this is not ideal for action
@learningcameras not just that, I wouldn't mind it as much as that after 2-4 seconds buffer is full. Shooting just lossless compressed raw(without +jpeg) is the most you could help. Still, there is also slow shutter of 1/4000 and truncated bokeh problem. Just too many problems. I ordered A7IV right now which is even 300 euro cheaper on these days. I like this c size a lot, but it's just too pricy for how it performs. It goes for 2400euro while I would pay 1800-2000euro at Most. But it's true that it got some uses like for vlog, where weight is important. I shoot photos mostly so it's a no from me. I also went from cheap hw to heavy hw and I care now more about performance than weight. Shame is I must pay for evf I don't use, but about 16 shots buffer vs 880 on A7IV is just too ridiculous.
@learningcameras I got my A7IV already, but even before, shooting on a5100 I didn't need more than 3 stills in burst shooting, just for the sake of eliminating blur or eye blinking. Shooting action is different, but I never needed this. 6fps is fast enough, even 3fps would do for me most of the time. 1. You can either shoot in jpeg for unlimited speed and quantity or, 2. You can use apsc mode, which should up the limit by quite a lot. I decided on A7IV not just because of this burst limitation. New c line got electronic first curtain making truncated bokeh, electronic shutter is slow similarly but mechanical one is too going just to 1/4000sec. C line can get heated up very fast and I'm not sure how hi end memory option can affect the speed, I know I got the best hw now. Most important is however something else - you get all these limits for 2k+ price which is weird, I bought A7IV in special offer for 300euro less. C line got 7stop IS, small light body, so it's not entirely useless. As for me right now it's not very interesting tho. Even going from 200g a5100 to 660g A7IV is a big difference, I surely don't want crippled device for this price. Price, burst limit and mechanical front curtain were the most important factors when I was making decision. Right now I don't need much burst memory, but I experienced the limit few times before, so as for getting it futureproof and having it worth the value of invested 2k euro, I definitely want equal lvl of performance. From my experience, performance comes at cost of weight and I'm not afraid to bear that weight now, after all getting output I want means a lot more. Having that performance in "c" line would be great, but limits were just ridiculous like - burst limits of 16 vs 880 pictures. So choose based on your needs.
Regarding the high resolution and APS-C crop-mode: Why do camera manufacturers do this so complicated that you have to activate or deactivate the crop-mode? Instead this should be made like on smartphones or small compact cameras, where you first use the optical zoom and then (if you zoom further), it uses the digital zoom. Stepless of course. That's how they should do it on APS-C / FF cameras also.
It's a good idea. Obviously there is a quality difference in the APSC mode and the difference with these cameras is you can just change the lens if you want more reach so I assume that's the reason. On a phone your limited to the lenses on the camera so employing a crop makes more sense. Most of the time I need more reach, I'll change my lens before using the APSC crop mode so I don't use it often
Missing the point of it, i want a very compact travel camera with the 20-70mm, youre shooting it like you would a a7rv with big lenses, its not meant for that 🙂
I'm not missing the point, I'm saying probably just get the A7CII. For $800 more, your getting more resolution but that resolution also comes with downsides and in most cases unless you're doing retouching or large prints, doesn't mean better quality. And $3k for average hardware feels out of place while $2200 for the same exact hardware on the A7CII feels better. But if $800 isn't a big upgrade and you can pair that with V90 cards and a good amount of storage space, go for it! I love the camera, I just think the recipe works better on the A7c II for most people
At 10:10, you mention not to shoot in 8 bit, and that's what I normally do in my videos 🤫 For an everyday vlogger like myself, is there a reason why? I do experience some flattening of highlights occasionally, but I never thought to try different settings. What would be a good video settings (picture profile and file format) for someone like me? I really love the aesthetics of your videos.
If you don't shoot LOG, 8 bit is OK but Sony's 8 bit codec is not the best so I feel like the shadows always struggled and pushing colors made video fall apart extremely quickly. 10bit gives you a bit more room to adjust colors in post. If you shoot LOG, 10bit is a must on Sony cameras because you have to push the file around just to get the image back to normal
I would've been happy with a A6700, but I had a moment of if not now, then when and got myself the A7Cii. I wanted a good hybrid camera that was compact and had incredible low light performance
Thanks for the great vid! I would love your advice: i am an amateur photographer and own a canon 5d mark 4 and love it. However in recent years with children - i find this camera too heavy and bulky to the point that i stopped using it. That is why i was waiting for these more compact and light weight sony cameras. I tend to agree that sony a7c 2 might be the better deal but would love your thoughts, as i am worried that i will regret not buying a higher mp camera..
@@learningcameras hi thanks for the reply but i think i was misunderstood… i take photographs of my children but of other things as well… and wasnt considering the a74 but the a7c 2. Why do you think i am a perfect case for a7cr? Thanks in advance
@@EyalKleinhendler Just because you put a massive emphasis on size and weight to the point you stopped using the 5D. It sounds like the smaller and lighter the camera, the more likely you are to actually use it and that's the main reason to buy these cameras over the Sony A7IV for example
A7RV would sit at home on a desk. Too big for my purposes. I feel like the A7Cii is the "worst" buy out of the series. I'd buy the A7C mk1 or the A7CR. Mk1 can be had for $1,200 used and it's a fantastic travel camera. I still love mine. The A7Cii isn't very tempting to me, but the CR is.
To each their own for sure. I mean the A7RV is already the smallest and lightest by far between the Canon R5 and Nikon Z8 and even smaller than the Fuji XH2 and Panasonic S5II so as someone who uses every camera around, the A7RV already felt small so I never felt the need for something smaller. Unless I was exclusively using it as a casual travel camera in which case, yeah, I guess smaller is usually better even if ergonomics are affected
Dude,both. I have the A7rv and the A7cr. I agree, my A7rv is my favorite child. But , my everyday carry is the A7cr. It's small and light. I use the Creative Look to put out SM ready Jpg s.
I will like to see a A7R? in the same style as the A7CR with the EVF in the corner, but as a more premium Camera, slightly higher body to give space for a larger EVF with 9.5+ mega dots and 1.2x magnification, a very good joystick and even better IBIS, the sensor could be the 93 megapixels tat Sony holds back and we may see next year ?
I have an fpL which i use for portrait and landscape photography. So maybe this is a good companion due to the AI focus and occasionally the mechanical shutter? (Ibis is nice but hasnt been a problem due to higher iso performance so far)
Hi Dan, if I chose 16-35 f4, 20-70 f4, 70-200 f4 macro ii because of more lighter and portability, could I gain perfect result for image quality (rather than heavier GM primes and zooms)? Thank you
Typically most of the F2.8 zooms have better optics as well so it isn't just the wider aperture. The F4 versions are still very good quality but technically the F2.8 lenses will still be better in most areas
It's definitely slow all around. In general, that's the cost of high resolution but even with the V90 300mb/s cards I was using, it felt slower than it should. CFexpress with this resolution should have definitely been included.
Indeed. You feel no handling drawback (maybe some rolling shutter in video) with the R5. The buffer is almost unlimited in practice. Massive deal breaker imo for the a7cr@@learningcameras
@@personaltrainersg The R5 is a great camera and it has quite a few advantages because of the better hardware including the buffer and card transfer speeds with CFexpress. I'd say the A7CR gives up some of that to make it more compact but that might be worth it for some people
Love the FX30 for video. Full frame is not really a NEED for video (I think it's more important for photo), but full frame usually means better low light performance. The other issue with APSC is if you shoot wide angle often because to get a wide angle shot, you have to use APSC lenses because of the crop factor. Thankfully Sony has some decent APSC lenses but they are never quite as good quality as the full frame options
With the A7RV and A7IV (same sensors), the A7IV will yield better quality UNLESS you are using over 50MP of resolution. So in most cases, the A7CII is better in low light but if you printed a 6400 ISO image to a 20x30" or larger print where you could actually use all 61MP, the A7CR would look better
@@StudioNirin Its a focus priority mode that prioritizes products in the hand instead of locking onto the eye. I think it does have it but I would confirm elsewhere first.
You've obviously never traveled and gone places where "pro" cameras are forbidden. The past couple of years I've shot exclusively with my Sony A5000. I have better cameras but this one is so tiny and still has the large sensor. I've never been turned away from places and the camera is never given a second look because it looks like a regular point and shoot if I put a smaller lens on it.
Most places I've been that ban pro cameras look at the lens. Interchangeable lenses is the big issue at most sporting events or long lenses. The difference between this and an A7R has never been an issue I've encountered. But again, I have 0 issues with the camera, I just think the A7CII is a better formula for most people given the only difference is more megapixels and that also comes with a few negatives
Like your videos a lot but…I have to take issue with you and other TH-camrs that complain about the small grip on a COMPACT camera. Come on, come on!!! They wouldn’t call it a COMPACT camera if your gigantic hands fits it nicely would they? Get your self a medium format or A9 or Z9 if you want perfect fit. It will be a compact camera no more if it has gigantic grips, ok?
@@ddzang I didn't complain though! I actually made a joke about how Sony added an extra grip extension option just to shut me up so I couldn't complain lol!!
I'd say anywhere between $3300 and $3500 is a great deal on the A7RV. The A7RIV was at $3500 for a long time so if you find the RV less than that, that would be insane
Definitely The R6 mark II as a hybrid camera if I was using it for content creation. Happy to sacrifice a few millimeters and add a few ounces to get full frame 4k60, faster frame rates, dual cards, and a better viewfinder/screen. If it was just a casual camera for fun, traveling, and taking pictures of my kids, probably the A7c II because of the small size and lens options. I personally use the R6II for my projects all the time but you'll never see me with the A7CII for that. Even the A7IV is missing enough that I rarely use it for video. But if I was grabbing a camera to shoot my kids birthday, I'd happily grab the A7CII. Hope that helps! That's just me personally.
Haha...dude, I'm so behind on that but it's on the way! I've shot tons of video and 1000's of images on it and it's probably the most torn I've ever been on a camera! But if you shoot Nikon already, it's amazing
@@learningcameras funny thing Dan the man I haven’t really pulled through trigger. Honestly I love your reviews as I consider my self a hybrid shooter, so I really do value your opinion. Torn between the Sony A7iv, cannon r6ii, canon R5, and now the Nikon z8. I have no brand loyalty. Just want something good with a good / reliable autofocus.
@@ecs2sy501 This has been my dilema, but I went to the A7iv it's small it might not have the full caveats of the R5 and Z8 but still worth my investment. And also the third party lens options is very plenty that alone is a good deciding factor. I like my camera small to compensate heavier and bigger lenses. It feels balanced than the R5 and Z8 on my end
@@ecs2sy501 Here is my 2 cents.... I use the Canon R6II a lot. It's not flashy but it does everything well and really doesn't have any down sides, there just isn't anything super awesome about it but for the price, it's great. The Canon R5 in theory is better but has some weaknesses for video and we should see a R5II very soon. The A7IV doesn't have full frame 4k60 so for me, it doesn't work well as a video camera since that's a must have for me. I use it more as a photo camera and a backup video camera. The Z8 in theory does EVERYTHING next level with absolutely no weaknesses. In practice, the AF system isn't quite up to Canon/Sony yet though and then there is a lens issue...Nikon lenses are massive, crazy heavy, and there are a few missing ones that are kind of a big deal...enough that I'm not sure I recommend moving to Nikon to get the Z8 even though, it theoretically does just about everything I want.
I wouldn't get the D850 unless you only shoot photos and are getting it used with used lenses. Spending new prices on tech that's 5+ years old is not worth it and there is a good chance you won't be able to sell it for much in a few years once Nikon builds out the Z line more. That said, the image quality on the D850 is still top of the line and the hardware is perfection. It's only the tech side such as video and autofocus that's really been making progress the last few years. But if you shoot video at all, want to invest in a future system, or can benefit from the latest AF tech, get the Z series
I'm actually working on some content with the S5IIX right now. The G9II is interesting, I just feel like micro 4/3 especially for stills is a really small sensor with very few advantages when you can purchase some decent APSC or even full frame cameras for that price. With the exception of maybe wildlife since the crop factor and faster shooting speeds with small sensors come in handy. For video, I think m43 is more justifiable and that's where they actually have more advantages
I currently own the A7IV and have been waiting to buy a second body. I love this A7CR it's sexy AF but the A7RV is currently on sale for $3500 that's only $500 more than the A7CR aaagghhhh I can't decide 😞
If you just want the image quality, get the A7CR. But if you also need decent hardware so if you're shooting weddings, demanding fast paced shoots, or if you just want to show off, the A7RV has some massive upgrades and will probably hold value longer. And this is a great price on the A7RV: bhpho.to/3SSx8fl
All these new Sony cameras look great, but they all seem to have overheating issues. I can't watch the video at the moment due to other obligations, but is it the same with this one? And is Sony simply not capable of making these cameras without the overheating issues or they just aren't concerned about them? 🤔
So Canon struggled big time with overheating issues on the Canon R5 and R6. They resolved most of it through firmware thankfully but no, Sony isn't the only one dealing with overheating. However, Sony is pushing small bodies and combine that with some of the best video tech and fastest processors and you get overheating. It's that combination that makes them more likely to overheat. And yes, this camera overheats as well pretty easily but same reason...small body + super powerful video performance = likely overheating
The best 4 axis flip screen, higher resolution screen and viewfinder, better weather sealing, joystick, extra controls, dual card slots, CFexpress type, and some extra customization thanks to the additional buttons for starters. Mostly hardware stuff though but some of those things like the CFexpress cards changes the capabilities of the camera like frame rates/buffer
@@learningcameras I anm seriously considering the Alpha c7r or Alpha r v. I'm not sure which direction to take.What is holding me back is the reality if i need the 8k vid, and can i love with less hardware. Decisions decisions!
@@21Virtues Honestly I almost never use 8k and I have a few cameras that shoot 8k. But in general I'm a huge fan of the A7RV for the ergonomics and hardware so unless you want something extremely compact on purpose, the A7RV is already smaller than the competition and packs much better hardware than the A7CR
Yes but I'd recommend getting the A7RV because it has dual card slots which I highly recommend for weddings and a few extra controls and more rugged hardware overall
Considering the A7CR over the A7R V for landscape photography, honestly will never shoot any video and the camera will be on a tripod most of the time. To get that sensor in such a small body..
If you want the small body, go for it. As long as you can live without some of the hardware benefits of the A7RV like dual card slots, better weather sealing, and the better viewfinder/screen for starters
@@learningcameras yeah, not doing commercial work anymore so dual slots unnecessary, won't be using the viewfinder on a tripod anyways, and the saved £900 was put towards a lens, happy days :)
Lack of a “4-axis” or “tilt-screen” on the a7CR makes it worth $0 in my book and I would never consider acquiring one because of this one factor, alone.
Wait for A7cr ii. They will add joystick, 8000 speed, and may be one more custom button... They intentionally didn't include these functions now to make sale next time.
@@learningcameras everybody would think that if they cared to compare identical images side by side. A7Cii has skin color problems with orange yellowish tints. Some people skin in artificial light show even greenish shifts. Blues (sky) show cyan shifts. And AWB overall is hit and miss, mostly miss. A7Cr has none of those problems.
It was a joke. Although I have talked to the heads of Sony America several times and we meet the lead project engineers at most release events so I have had extended conversations with them about what I like and dislike many times over the years
I do talk to their engineers a few times per year. Props to Sony because when we get these cameras to test or when they do events to let us try out new gear, they always have a team of engineers from Japan on site to hear our feedback and take notes. How much of that goes into production...who knows but yeah, I do actually talk to the decision makers at Sony Japan and it used to happen extremely often pre-covid
Do these YT camera dudes all get paid by Sony to act stupid?? Get 24mp instead of 60+ mp? Are you eating lead paint? Why would anyone do that? 24mp sucks..you can see the obvious quality difference. I literally sent the camera back to buy the A7CR. 60+ Is minimum to capture great images. These guys are a joke lol
I wish I got paid by Sony for this lol...but why if I was getting paid by Sony would I recommend getting a different camera than the one I was using??? This would be my last job for them. I disagree with you. In almost every case having 24mp with larger pixel sites will yield just as good images especially in low light when sampled below 24mp so unless you absolutely need the resolution such as large prints, pixel retouching, and stuff like that, the A7CII is great. Keep in mind that 60mp means the camera is slower, especially without a CFexpress card, has less detail with video because it can't oversample, and is much more expensive. Again, I love the sensor...I personally own the A7RV so I actually use this 60mp sensor but I need the resolution for lens tests, printing, and the RV had hardware advantages that the A7IV and A7CII/CR don't have like the improved screen/viewfinder, and dual CFexpress slots. Just because it's technically better and I personally use it doesn't mean I would recommend it for most people watching my videos and I think the A7CII is an easier to justify camera than the A7CR
How about if you want the smallest body with the best sensor? It's that simple. Why are you throwing those large lenses on it? You're missing the point, dude. This is the dumbest review I've seen in a while.
I'm using the lenses I own and love...why is that dumb? I'm perfectly fine with a slightly larger lens to get the image I want. If you're not, use small ones! And if you want the smallest body with the best sensor, buy the camera! I literally said that. Dude, ease up....but I think MOST people would be best served with the A7CII which uses identical sensor tech with more autofocus coverage and still has tons of resolution, or getting the A7RV which puts some extra features most people buying $3k cameras should have. But either way, I said this camera is amazing so not sure why you're worked up about it... The title literally says "yes, it's that good"
It's definitely not worth the money if one plans to use it as their main camera. It's probably not worth the money period. And the A7CII is a better value, yes. But there's no interchangeable lens camera in the market that matches its portability and resolution combo. Once you put a G-master on that body it loses its whole purpose for existing and judging it accordingly is irrelevant.
Also, because you checked the comments, get an extra 20% OFF my Lightroom Preset pack using the coupon code: dansfan20
www.dan-sally.com/product-page/phoenix-extended
These will save you TONS of time creating edits and is literally the presets I use for all the images I edit. After YEARS of using them for my images, they are finally available!
It's the most epic travel camera in my opinion. Slap a tiny 24mm 2.8 on it and the sheer pixel density will give you crop for days to make the shots what you want all in a tiny package.
I agree
Amen! And no loss of mp when you change from 28mm to 35mm etc like the Leica Qs.
I'm in!
I purchased the A7CR after two weeks of using the A7Cii. Not because the A7Cii was bad. It's a great camera. For a few more hundred dollars however, I get access to 61mp, gives me crop flexibility, a grip to go with it which makes it easier to use with bigger lenses. The few instances I use it for video, I cannot complain about how the A7CR outputs video files especially on Super 35mm mode. I use the Prograde or Sandisk V60 or V90 memory cards, which means I am not bothered by the buffer limitations. This camera is more future-proof than the A7Cii. I don't think I'll crave for more than 61mp in the next 2-3 years. Now I have been using my Canon R6 Mark II much less. It's possible this is the camera that makes me switch to Sony for good.
Don't get me wrong, I love this 61mp sensor! Glad it's working out...enjoy the camera!!!
@@learningcameras review was helpful especially for those who don't mind the bigger better costlier A7RV which is the path I would have taken if it were the only camera I shoot with.
Are you happy with the A7CR?? Cos. I'm thinking of buying it (My first camera) although i do have knowledge about cameras, and know how to operate them but never had my own camera. So do you think these camera is worth of buying?
I’m picking up an a7CR to use as a 2nd camera alongside my a7RV. I mostly shoot landscapes and do a lot of hiking/backpacking to get to locations that I want to shoot. Having a smaller and more compact option on those trips without any compromises in image quality is something I am really looking forward to. Also when I don’t have a long hike, I often like to set up two tripods and camera bodies with different focal length lenses in order to maximize my variety of images when the conditions go off. Here again, having a smaller more compact body as the 2nd camera in the bag allows me to do that more easily. I’m a bit disappointed that Sony didn’t find a way to give us a multi port for a wired shutter release and that they also didn’t include the multi axis screen, but to have the same internals and image quality as an a7RV in a small body that actually increases the versatility of my overall kit, while also saving $900 over buying 2nd A7R (which I inevitably would have done) really still feels like a win in my book.
I get that there are compromises due to the A7CR’s smaller size but I feel that many people miss is that the smaller, more inconspicuous look and size is sometimes the end goal. Sure, the A7RV has a better screen etc. etc. but where I live, I want a more basic looking smaller camera. I don’t want something that screams big, expensive professional camera!! I’d much more easily grab the CR when I head out on a photo walk and keep it with me than an R5!
I agree with you...but the A7CII gives you that just at a lower resolution so you have to really want the higher megapixel count to get the CR instead. But again, if you want the A7CII but don't mind paying extra for more resolution, get the CR! It's a great camera
As someone who does landscape photography and hikes a lot the size is very compelling. I largely stayed with APS-C because of the size. The A7C got my attention, the 2 more so and then I discovered the R which was finally a good reason to leave my workhorse a6400. The ability to crop in images in post is one of the common “issues” I run into and the high resolution makes that much less an issue. The more I hear about this camera the more I cant help but think it’s basically built for me. 😂
Nice! Yeah, it does sound like you fit this camera perfectly haha. Here is all the gear I used with it: kit.co/learningcameras/sony-a7cii-a7cr-gear
I purchased the A7CR to replace both my 2nd body (A9i) and my travel camera (A6600). It's 2x cameras in 1. I can use all my APS-C lenses in crop mode and still get 26MP, when I want to travel light... and it's a decent full frame 2nd body to compliment my A1.
Thank you for speaking on the FPS burst rate! been wanting someone to talk about this as I am a sports photographer!
I just purchased the A7Cr. Ironically, Sony was offering a trade in of ANY lens or camera which would have brought the A7Rv to the same price as the A7Cr and I still chose the A7Cr for its smaller size. I'm done carrying larger cameras and this is so nice for walking around without looking like I am going on a photo shoot. Ive paired it with the 20-70 f4 lens and very happy with the combo.
That's the perfect reason to buy this camera!
I bought it as a small backup for my A1. Both cameras are truly awesome 🎉❤.
After a long haul flight to an incredible destination where I may never find myself again I cant see past having the full 61mp A7CR to hand to capture big landscapes rather than getting home after shooting with the 33mp A7C 2 and wishing Id gone for 61mp.
Then consider the A7RV instead. It has much faster transfer speeds, a better screen, viewfinder, dual cards, better ergonomics, and less overheating so if you need the 61MP, I'd tend to lean towards the A7RV unless you NEED the smallest lightest option possible
For 3ķ they should give a slightly better evf and screen
Exactly. I sold my A7c because I couldn’t adjust to the tiny evf. If Sony had expanded it a bit I probably would be buying the CR
@@BenSussmanproit is a bit bigger. 0.7x vs 0.59x
But still the same resolution
@@_shreyash_anand Oh, well that’s like a 13% improvement…eh, maybe I’ll try it. Thanks!
@@BenSussmanpro it's actually a 22.8% improvement.
@@willcram8350My calculation was off, but a 22.8% improvement would translate into a 72.5x viewfinder (unless you’re measuring on a different criteria). In any case, i did purchase this model after trying it out at a Sony event in NYC last month. I found the improvement noticeable.
What's compelling about this camera is the high megapixel sensor for shooting macro on weekends with a body small enough that, when I slap a 50mm prime on it, I'll also want to carry it around in my work bag every day
Absolutely...can't argue with that. I just think at this price it's harder to justify for things like that compared to the A7CII. But if you can swing it and high MP makes a difference, which in macro it absolutely can, I'm all for it! Again, I'm a huge fan of this sensor
I have a Nikon Z8 and Z9, and a Sony A7IV, therefore, all the high speed shooting and excellent video is covered. I just bought the A7CR to get that succulent, full-frame 61 MP sensor in a tiny body. I want the tiny body!! I want the massive resolution! I can stick this thing in my manbag and go everywhere with it. No one makes a camera like this one: huge sensor in a tiny body. I am willing to accept the minor tradeoffs to own this little beast of a camera.
Awesome!!! Yeah, this is the perfect camera for someone like you
For a wedding photographer, it's crucial to understand the preview displayed on the camera screen. Sometimes, clients also wish to view the picture. And understanding the colors and details during the shoot is essential, making the display a critical factor. The Sony A7 III and A7C seem to have very poor displays. The A7 IV offers an improved display for live shooting. However, there's uncertainty about the new A7 CR. Is it similar to the A7 IV or worse? It's Have the same sensor and almost everyting like A7 R5, but there's a lack of information on the on-display shooting experience. I'd appreciate a review or video recommendation specifically focusing on this aspect.
The display on the A7CR is the same as the A7CII. It's not the best and definitely doesn't help represent the quality of your images. You really need to step up to the A7RV for that better display if you want the 61MP
Not sure what you would give up if you added a fast GM prime to the A7CR, compared to the Leica Q3….
I’m in shopping mode…liked this video 40sec in 😂
haha...awesome!!!
The c2 is a flip screen right choice but cr should have been tilt screen or multi angle .
I wish I'd had it the last several days of shooting wildlife. The AF on my A7iv isn't smart enough, 36mp doesn't support a lot of cropping. I'm buying a CR mid October.
I'm with you, I think the A7RV is the better buy here. The finder, flexible rear screen and dual card slots and the focus toggle were enough to sway me to the A7RV.
Yep, in this price range, I think the hardware is important. The A7RV is already one of the smallest full frame pro cameras on the market
Just for the record, the flexible rear screen is on both
@@lindacruze7042 the rear screen on the A7RV has a more advanced movement design for more viewing options and angel. The A7Cr is a flip-out to the side screen only.
It is interesting to assume that the reduced FPS and longer minimum shutter speed are there for technical reasons. In my opinion, this is a deliberate limitation due to product segmentation, nothing more. The same situation applies to the reading speed of the sensor. Who would buy an A1 if non-stacked sensors were fast? (and that it is technically possible is demonstrated well by Canon).
You could be right. But I think there are a few reasons to believe it's hardware limited. Now, Sony could have used better hardware and probably should have especially in the A7CR version. But writing 61mp files to SD is going to be slow and I'm pretty sure they just have a small buffer and Sony decided not to allow CFexpress making it even slower. And when I saw the 1/4000 shutter speed, that signals to me Sony is using their cheaper shutter mechanism and not the new higher end one in the A7RV which would explain why it's limited to slower mechanical frame rates.
I’m comparing to Leica Q3 if you get a A7CR + a very good lens
The Q3 has a fixed 28mm f/2 lens. For CONSIDERABLY less money, you could get the Sony a7cr, and Sigma's 20mm f/2, 35mm f/2, and 90mm f/2, and have money left over to go somewhere cool to shoot. Or if you prefer, you could swap the 90mm f/2 for Sony's 85mm f/1.8.
And while it's not the perfect wildlife camera, it DOES have monster resolution, allowing deep cropping. Pair it with Sigma's new 500mm f/5.6 tele, and you've got a hand holdable wildlife rig that's less money than an Alpha 1 body, alone.
Another way of looking at it is having 61Mpix in such a portable package and with the addition of selective size RAW you can use it in M RAW at 26Mpix and have small file size with (to my eye, look at tests/comparisons) better definition than A7iV / A7CII 33Mpix.
I should definitely do some comparisons to see if the A7CII at full resolution is actually better than the 26MP mode on the A7CR. In theory, they have the same sensor technology so the A7CII should be just as good unless you absolutely are utilizing the full resolution
I'm so glad i held off getting the a7rv. I'm currently on the a7rii. So it's probably about time for an upgrade. Though now I'm stuck between the a7c ii or a7cr...
It's not that the A7CR isn't technically better... if someone gifted me a camera, I'd ask form the A7CR over the A7CII lol. But the A7CR just feels like the hardware isn't on par with a a $3k camera with things like a low resolution viewfinder, screen, not having CFexpress, and things like that where the A7CII feels a bit more justified
I've been waiting for this release to make a decision about a 2nd "smaller' walk-around camera (& something maybe my wife would want to use instead of her iPhone). I have the a7RV. The a6700 is considered also. So I was thinking maybe this a7CR would fit the bill, to use when I feel like having a smaller camera, using it with an APS-C lens (crop of this a7CR is down to 26MP, which is great!). Then when I want a "backup" to my a7R V, this would work as a nice FF camera body. But is it so much smaller that it makes a big difference compared to the a7R V??
But for $3000 (!! wow), it seems there are just too many things missing (awesome a7RV 5-axis articulating screen, full size HDMI, 2 card slots, CF-A capable, and horrible LCD & viewfinder resolution (come on Sony, only 1M LCD & 2.4M viewfinder? in a $3000 body??)), all add up to maybe this a7CR is a NO for me. For less than HALF the cost ($1400) I can get that nice small camera setup in the a6700, with APS-C lenses, and it can be my backup during trips. How many times have I ever needed a backup camera on my trips? ZERO
Great Review Dan!
Bought a7cR arriving today as want a travel camera & daily bike ride along camera that matches, surpasses the abilities of my two a7R4s that have owned for a while. By the way with memorial day discounts I'm paying only $400-500 less than an a new a7R5... that's how much having a lighter smaller form factor means to me.
Put a 16-35mm f/2.8 G-Master on the a7cr, and you've got a Leica-killer. Or if you prefer compact primes, Sigma's i-Series lenses lenses are an excellent option.
The A7cR is truly the better buy, ESPECIALLY as it is $800 below the cost of an A7RV; my only true complaint is: As the sensor is 61 megapixels, why on EARTH did Sony not offer a single slot that accepts both CF Express Type A plus the normal SDXC cards?? At $3,000 they should have at least done that
Yeah, it took FOREVER to clear the buffer especially in uncompressed raw and lossless compressed and that was with a V90 card at 300MB/s
Dual card slots or internal storage would have been good. Imagine if the grip extension had space to slide a card or internal memory. Almost no extra weight for massive expansion possibilities.
The camera body is small and compact, but the lens is still massive (same lenses as for A7R5), so camera/lens setup overall size is not that much smaller when combined together.
Biggest mistake of this camera not having cf-express type A card slot, and the price, this hsould be 2599 and a7cII should be 1899 dollars
I agree. The R version needed CF express or it just feels laggy with 61mp and a small buffer. And if you shoot lossless compressed which is what I shoot, it's only 5-6fps and even slower than compressed RAW
@@learningcameras how fast was the card in your testing?
@@user-cu4dm3ip3i sandisk V90 300mb/s which is the fastest available
Thinking of returning my a7cii for this one.
I love the sensor on this camera, but this is a lot to pay for a compact camera...no matter how good the quality is. But if that's not an issue, go for it!
I watched your video 1st! Love your reviews!!
Appreciate that!!! Means a lot
I have two A7R5 cameras, but I just ordered an A7CR to use as a travel camera.
Perfect use case for this!
@@learningcameras FWIW, I decided to return the A7CR and keep the A7CII to use as a travel camera.
@@PhotoTrekrcan you share why? Have A7Cii and tempted by R but concerned about ISO noise 3200+.
@@TCinSoCal I ordered the A7CR to try as a travel camera. But, since I had the A7RV cameras, I decided to return the A7CR and buy an A7CII. But, I liked the A7CR so much that I bought it again. Now, I'm seriously thinking about selling my A7RV cameras. If I was a pro I'd definitely stick with the A7RV cameras. But, since I'm not, the A7C cameras are fine for me. And I wouldn't shoot above 3200 unless I absolutely had to.
@@PhotoTrekr Thank you. Sounds like I should stick with the A7Cii. I think the 33 sensor is plenty for me and I need to be able to go to 6400.. maybe 8000 without significant noise.
It seems the a7CII is a better buy.
I did like the A7c II if you want a small portable camera with great quality. I'm actually recommending it over the A7CR for most people
which one you prefer for hybrid shooting A74 and A7CR / A7CII ?
I think hybrid is a weakness for Sony because when I shoot video, 4k60 is a must and none of their cameras do full frame 4k60. So I lean towards the A7CR just because it's the lowest crop or the A7IV as a 2nd choice and you might have to pair a wide angle APSC lens when you need 4k60 and a wider field of view. Sony right now almost requires 1 camera for video and another for photo to get my perfect features. I think the Canon R6II is a better single body hybrid camera until Sony drops something with full frame 4k60
Thanks Dan and purely for photography which one you prefer between A7CII and A74 ?@@learningcameras Canon always has better camera than Sony but the problem is no third party lenses. I heard Canon is gonna open their mount to third party lenses soon.
@@neethuandthomasphotography Both are great but the A7CII has some new features so if you can live without the hardware benefits of the A7IV (bigger viewfinder, dual cards, full size HDMI port), I'd say the A7CII is extremely tempting for the price. Personally, I need the hardware features of the A7IV so that's what I would buy
@@learningcameras I'm a fuji user from India also Fujifilm India Ambassador. I love these cameras generally. If I've a choice I would prefer A74 over A7CII. This new camera from Sony is ergonomically too small for me . They should have priced 1500 USD like Canon R8.
I just returned my almost new A6700 when I discovered I could crop this and get the same 26 megapixels using my two APS-C lenses for travel. It's a dual use camera. I am primarily using a Canon R5 at home and am transitioning to Canon RF lenses, but I'm fortunate enough to be able to afford this overpriced(?) Sony. The sensor is what did it. It is nearly the same size and weight as the A6700. When I decide to buy a full frame lens from Sony (or another manufacturer), I have a full frame camera that can take advantage of these other lenses. I like not being stuck in Canon world, as much as I love my R5. I'm apparently a camera geek now.
Haha. You are the perfect use case for this camera then. Enjoy!!!
Got the A7CR and of course it behaves just as I expected. I’m a happy camper.
Worst thing on it is the burst shooting of lossless raw, limit is very small making it hard to use for action shooting. Or am I wrong?
You are correct. Lossless RAW slows down the frame rate to around 6fps so pretty slow! Even shooting in a lower MP doesn't help so this is not ideal for action
@learningcameras not just that, I wouldn't mind it as much as that after 2-4 seconds buffer is full. Shooting just lossless compressed raw(without +jpeg) is the most you could help.
Still, there is also slow shutter of 1/4000 and truncated bokeh problem. Just too many problems.
I ordered A7IV right now which is even 300 euro cheaper on these days.
I like this c size a lot, but it's just too pricy for how it performs.
It goes for 2400euro while I would pay 1800-2000euro at Most.
But it's true that it got some uses like for vlog, where weight is important.
I shoot photos mostly so it's a no from me. I also went from cheap hw to heavy hw and I care now more about performance than weight.
Shame is I must pay for evf I don't use, but about 16 shots buffer vs 880 on A7IV is just too ridiculous.
@learningcameras I got my A7IV already, but even before, shooting on a5100 I didn't need more than 3 stills in burst shooting, just for the sake of eliminating blur or eye blinking.
Shooting action is different, but I never needed this.
6fps is fast enough, even 3fps would do for me most of the time.
1. You can either shoot in jpeg for unlimited speed and quantity or,
2. You can use apsc mode, which should up the limit by quite a lot.
I decided on A7IV not just because of this burst limitation.
New c line got electronic first curtain making truncated bokeh, electronic shutter is slow similarly but mechanical one is too going just to 1/4000sec.
C line can get heated up very fast and I'm not sure how hi end memory option can affect the speed, I know I got the best hw now.
Most important is however something else - you get all these limits for 2k+ price which is weird, I bought A7IV in special offer for 300euro less.
C line got 7stop IS, small light body, so it's not entirely useless.
As for me right now it's not very interesting tho. Even going from 200g a5100 to 660g A7IV is a big difference, I surely don't want crippled device for this price.
Price, burst limit and mechanical front curtain were the most important factors when I was making decision.
Right now I don't need much burst memory, but I experienced the limit few times before, so as for getting it futureproof and having it worth the value of invested 2k euro, I definitely want equal lvl of performance.
From my experience, performance comes at cost of weight and I'm not afraid to bear that weight now, after all getting output I want means a lot more.
Having that performance in "c" line would be great, but limits were just ridiculous like - burst limits of 16 vs 880 pictures.
So choose based on your needs.
Regarding the high resolution and APS-C crop-mode: Why do camera manufacturers do this so complicated that you have to activate or deactivate the crop-mode? Instead this should be made like on smartphones or small compact cameras, where you first use the optical zoom and then (if you zoom further), it uses the digital zoom. Stepless of course. That's how they should do it on APS-C / FF cameras also.
It's a good idea. Obviously there is a quality difference in the APSC mode and the difference with these cameras is you can just change the lens if you want more reach so I assume that's the reason. On a phone your limited to the lenses on the camera so employing a crop makes more sense. Most of the time I need more reach, I'll change my lens before using the APSC crop mode so I don't use it often
Missing the point of it, i want a very compact travel camera with the 20-70mm, youre shooting it like you would a a7rv with big lenses, its not meant for that 🙂
I'm not missing the point, I'm saying probably just get the A7CII. For $800 more, your getting more resolution but that resolution also comes with downsides and in most cases unless you're doing retouching or large prints, doesn't mean better quality. And $3k for average hardware feels out of place while $2200 for the same exact hardware on the A7CII feels better. But if $800 isn't a big upgrade and you can pair that with V90 cards and a good amount of storage space, go for it! I love the camera, I just think the recipe works better on the A7c II for most people
At 10:10, you mention not to shoot in 8 bit, and that's what I normally do in my videos 🤫 For an everyday vlogger like myself, is there a reason why? I do experience some flattening of highlights occasionally, but I never thought to try different settings. What would be a good video settings (picture profile and file format) for someone like me? I really love the aesthetics of your videos.
If you don't shoot LOG, 8 bit is OK but Sony's 8 bit codec is not the best so I feel like the shadows always struggled and pushing colors made video fall apart extremely quickly. 10bit gives you a bit more room to adjust colors in post. If you shoot LOG, 10bit is a must on Sony cameras because you have to push the file around just to get the image back to normal
I would've been happy with a A6700, but I had a moment of if not now, then when and got myself the A7Cii. I wanted a good hybrid camera that was compact and had incredible low light performance
Thanks for the great vid! I would love your advice: i am an amateur photographer and own a canon 5d mark 4 and love it. However in recent years with children - i find this camera too heavy and bulky to the point that i stopped using it. That is why i was waiting for these more compact and light weight sony cameras. I tend to agree that sony a7c 2 might be the better deal but would love your thoughts, as i am worried that i will regret not buying a higher mp camera..
I definitely think the 33MP on the A7IV is enough for photographing children but you are absolutely the use case that would justify the A7CR the most
@@learningcameras hi thanks for the reply but i think i was misunderstood… i take photographs of my children but of other things as well… and wasnt considering the a74 but the a7c 2. Why do you think i am a perfect case for a7cr? Thanks in advance
@@EyalKleinhendler Just because you put a massive emphasis on size and weight to the point you stopped using the 5D. It sounds like the smaller and lighter the camera, the more likely you are to actually use it and that's the main reason to buy these cameras over the Sony A7IV for example
A7RV would sit at home on a desk. Too big for my purposes.
I feel like the A7Cii is the "worst" buy out of the series.
I'd buy the A7C mk1 or the A7CR. Mk1 can be had for $1,200 used and it's a fantastic travel camera. I still love mine. The A7Cii isn't very tempting to me, but the CR is.
To each their own for sure. I mean the A7RV is already the smallest and lightest by far between the Canon R5 and Nikon Z8 and even smaller than the Fuji XH2 and Panasonic S5II so as someone who uses every camera around, the A7RV already felt small so I never felt the need for something smaller. Unless I was exclusively using it as a casual travel camera in which case, yeah, I guess smaller is usually better even if ergonomics are affected
Dude,both. I have the A7rv and the A7cr. I agree, my A7rv is my favorite child. But , my everyday carry is the A7cr. It's small and light. I use the Creative Look to put out SM ready Jpg s.
Both is definitely an awesome setup!
Would love a 6700 vs a7c2 comparison. Need a hybrid system!
This.
I will like to see a A7R? in the same style as the A7CR with the EVF in the corner, but as a more premium Camera, slightly higher body to give space for a larger EVF with 9.5+ mega dots and 1.2x magnification, a very good joystick and even better IBIS, the sensor could be the 93 megapixels tat Sony holds back and we may see next year ?
I have an fpL which i use for portrait and landscape photography. So maybe this is a good companion due to the AI focus and occasionally the mechanical shutter? (Ibis is nice but hasnt been a problem due to higher iso performance so far)
Wish they had put the A7R5's multi-axis screen on the A7CR. I don't like flippy screens sticking out to the side of my camera.
Hi Dan, if I chose 16-35 f4, 20-70 f4, 70-200 f4 macro ii because of more lighter and portability, could I gain perfect result for image quality (rather than heavier GM primes and zooms)? Thank you
Typically most of the F2.8 zooms have better optics as well so it isn't just the wider aperture. The F4 versions are still very good quality but technically the F2.8 lenses will still be better in most areas
It's time to expect FX3 II for better IS. 😁
I think we'll be waiting a while on that... Sony is still milking that sensor big time haha
If I only film cinima, is there any reason for me to get the a7CR over the a7CII?
No, the only video benefit to the A7CR is that there is less of a crop in 4k60
How's file transfer without cf a cards? The r5 clears buffer like a monster. And SD cards and slow handling on the r4 was a major reason I sold it...
It's definitely slow all around. In general, that's the cost of high resolution but even with the V90 300mb/s cards I was using, it felt slower than it should. CFexpress with this resolution should have definitely been included.
Indeed. You feel no handling drawback (maybe some rolling shutter in video) with the R5. The buffer is almost unlimited in practice. Massive deal breaker imo for the a7cr@@learningcameras
@@personaltrainersg The R5 is a great camera and it has quite a few advantages because of the better hardware including the buffer and card transfer speeds with CFexpress. I'd say the A7CR gives up some of that to make it more compact but that might be worth it for some people
Great Video
what do you think about FX30 ? is full frame make that kind of difference for video?
Love the FX30 for video. Full frame is not really a NEED for video (I think it's more important for photo), but full frame usually means better low light performance. The other issue with APSC is if you shoot wide angle often because to get a wide angle shot, you have to use APSC lenses because of the crop factor. Thankfully Sony has some decent APSC lenses but they are never quite as good quality as the full frame options
Do you know the least noise-suppressed, most noise-suppressed ISO and maxiso when using Flexibleiso, cine s-log3 on Sony ac7r?
How’s the low light performance on the A7CR vs the A7Cii?
With the A7RV and A7IV (same sensors), the A7IV will yield better quality UNLESS you are using over 50MP of resolution. So in most cases, the A7CII is better in low light but if you printed a 6400 ISO image to a 20x30" or larger print where you could actually use all 61MP, the A7CR would look better
8 FRAMES/SEC IN COMPRESSED RAW!
I am wondering if the A7c II has this "product shot" feature ? Thanks
Curious - I just watched the whole video, and didn't see any mention of a 'product shot' feature? What is that?
@@StudioNirin Its a focus priority mode that prioritizes products in the hand instead of locking onto the eye. I think it does have it but I would confirm elsewhere first.
I’m waiting for the Sony A7CR1
I tried looking for a link to your lens protector, not sure if I missed it 😢
You've obviously never traveled and gone places where "pro" cameras are forbidden. The past couple of years I've shot exclusively with my Sony A5000. I have better cameras but this one is so tiny and still has the large sensor. I've never been turned away from places and the camera is never given a second look because it looks like a regular point and shoot if I put a smaller lens on it.
Most places I've been that ban pro cameras look at the lens. Interchangeable lenses is the big issue at most sporting events or long lenses. The difference between this and an A7R has never been an issue I've encountered. But again, I have 0 issues with the camera, I just think the A7CII is a better formula for most people given the only difference is more megapixels and that also comes with a few negatives
Like your videos a lot but…I have to take issue with you and other TH-camrs that complain about the small grip on a COMPACT camera. Come on, come on!!! They wouldn’t call it a COMPACT camera if your gigantic hands fits it nicely would they? Get your self a medium format or A9 or Z9 if you want perfect fit. It will be a compact camera no more if it has gigantic grips, ok?
@@ddzang I didn't complain though! I actually made a joke about how Sony added an extra grip extension option just to shut me up so I couldn't complain lol!!
If the A7CR stays at $3k, at what price would it be a no-brainer for you to pick up the A7RV? I see it on sale frequently for $3500.
I'd say anywhere between $3300 and $3500 is a great deal on the A7RV. The A7RIV was at $3500 for a long time so if you find the RV less than that, that would be insane
Would you prefer the r6 mark 2 or the Sony a7c2
Definitely The R6 mark II as a hybrid camera if I was using it for content creation. Happy to sacrifice a few millimeters and add a few ounces to get full frame 4k60, faster frame rates, dual cards, and a better viewfinder/screen. If it was just a casual camera for fun, traveling, and taking pictures of my kids, probably the A7c II because of the small size and lens options. I personally use the R6II for my projects all the time but you'll never see me with the A7CII for that. Even the A7IV is missing enough that I rarely use it for video. But if I was grabbing a camera to shoot my kids birthday, I'd happily grab the A7CII. Hope that helps! That's just me personally.
Dan the man, when do we get the Nikon Z8 review??
Haha...dude, I'm so behind on that but it's on the way! I've shot tons of video and 1000's of images on it and it's probably the most torn I've ever been on a camera! But if you shoot Nikon already, it's amazing
@@learningcameras funny thing Dan the man I haven’t really pulled through trigger. Honestly I love your reviews as I consider my self a hybrid shooter, so I really do value your opinion. Torn between the Sony A7iv, cannon r6ii, canon R5, and now the Nikon z8. I have no brand loyalty. Just want something good with a good / reliable autofocus.
@@ecs2sy501 This has been my dilema, but I went to the A7iv it's small it might not have the full caveats of the R5 and Z8 but still worth my investment. And also the third party lens options is very plenty that alone is a good deciding factor. I like my camera small to compensate heavier and bigger lenses. It feels balanced than the R5 and Z8 on my end
@@learningcameras Dan, you must shed a little light more on what you mean by torn??
@@ecs2sy501 Here is my 2 cents.... I use the Canon R6II a lot. It's not flashy but it does everything well and really doesn't have any down sides, there just isn't anything super awesome about it but for the price, it's great. The Canon R5 in theory is better but has some weaknesses for video and we should see a R5II very soon. The A7IV doesn't have full frame 4k60 so for me, it doesn't work well as a video camera since that's a must have for me. I use it more as a photo camera and a backup video camera. The Z8 in theory does EVERYTHING next level with absolutely no weaknesses. In practice, the AF system isn't quite up to Canon/Sony yet though and then there is a lens issue...Nikon lenses are massive, crazy heavy, and there are a few missing ones that are kind of a big deal...enough that I'm not sure I recommend moving to Nikon to get the Z8 even though, it theoretically does just about everything I want.
will wait for a7 mk5 which i am hoping they will use there 44mp sensor in
Hi, I would like to start shooting, is it still a wise choice to buy a D850 now? Or should I opt for a Z series? Thank you in advance.
I wouldn't get the D850 unless you only shoot photos and are getting it used with used lenses. Spending new prices on tech that's 5+ years old is not worth it and there is a good chance you won't be able to sell it for much in a few years once Nikon builds out the Z line more. That said, the image quality on the D850 is still top of the line and the hardware is perfection. It's only the tech side such as video and autofocus that's really been making progress the last few years. But if you shoot video at all, want to invest in a future system, or can benefit from the latest AF tech, get the Z series
I would love to see your take on the Panny G9 ii
I'm actually working on some content with the S5IIX right now. The G9II is interesting, I just feel like micro 4/3 especially for stills is a really small sensor with very few advantages when you can purchase some decent APSC or even full frame cameras for that price. With the exception of maybe wildlife since the crop factor and faster shooting speeds with small sensors come in handy. For video, I think m43 is more justifiable and that's where they actually have more advantages
I currently own the A7IV and have been waiting to buy a second body. I love this A7CR it's sexy AF but the A7RV is currently on sale for $3500 that's only $500 more than the A7CR aaagghhhh I can't decide 😞
If you just want the image quality, get the A7CR. But if you also need decent hardware so if you're shooting weddings, demanding fast paced shoots, or if you just want to show off, the A7RV has some massive upgrades and will probably hold value longer. And this is a great price on the A7RV: bhpho.to/3SSx8fl
@@learningcameras Thank you so much that really helps
All these new Sony cameras look great, but they all seem to have overheating issues. I can't watch the video at the moment due to other obligations, but is it the same with this one? And is Sony simply not capable of making these cameras without the overheating issues or they just aren't concerned about them? 🤔
So Canon struggled big time with overheating issues on the Canon R5 and R6. They resolved most of it through firmware thankfully but no, Sony isn't the only one dealing with overheating. However, Sony is pushing small bodies and combine that with some of the best video tech and fastest processors and you get overheating. It's that combination that makes them more likely to overheat. And yes, this camera overheats as well pretty easily but same reason...small body + super powerful video performance = likely overheating
@@learningcameras Thanks for your reply! Might pick one up one day if I can find one that reliably continues shooting.
What does the A7RV have that the A7 C2 does not or is missing from it? Luts and screen - is that it?
The best 4 axis flip screen, higher resolution screen and viewfinder, better weather sealing, joystick, extra controls, dual card slots, CFexpress type, and some extra customization thanks to the additional buttons for starters. Mostly hardware stuff though but some of those things like the CFexpress cards changes the capabilities of the camera like frame rates/buffer
@@learningcameras I anm seriously considering the Alpha c7r or Alpha r v. I'm not sure which direction to take.What is holding me back is the reality if i need the 8k vid, and can i love with less hardware. Decisions decisions!
@@21Virtues Honestly I almost never use 8k and I have a few cameras that shoot 8k. But in general I'm a huge fan of the A7RV for the ergonomics and hardware so unless you want something extremely compact on purpose, the A7RV is already smaller than the competition and packs much better hardware than the A7CR
Can it be used to take wedding photos 7 R
Yes but I'd recommend getting the A7RV because it has dual card slots which I highly recommend for weddings and a few extra controls and more rugged hardware overall
Considering the A7CR over the A7R V for landscape photography, honestly will never shoot any video and the camera will be on a tripod most of the time. To get that sensor in such a small body..
If you want the small body, go for it. As long as you can live without some of the hardware benefits of the A7RV like dual card slots, better weather sealing, and the better viewfinder/screen for starters
@@learningcameras yeah, not doing commercial work anymore so dual slots unnecessary, won't be using the viewfinder on a tripod anyways, and the saved £900 was put towards a lens, happy days :)
whats the video quality like vs a7Cii or A7IV
Video quality is essentially the same. The A7CII actually has a few extra features but it does overheat faster and is missing some hardware features
I read about yellow clipping ... (?)
Have not noticed anything...and I shot quite a bit of yellow haha
@@learningcameras The footage looks great!
Lack of a “4-axis” or “tilt-screen” on the a7CR makes it worth $0 in my book and I would never consider acquiring one because of this one factor, alone.
Wait for A7cr ii. They will add joystick, 8000 speed, and may be one more custom button... They intentionally didn't include these functions now to make sale next time.
You'll be waiting at least 2 years for that...
Were you filming PUMA cars?? The Brazilian sports car made in the 70's? Haha...didn't know they exist in the US!
Haha, yep! They were all imported
Is it shoot 8k vdo ?
nope, unfortunately
Max shutter speed still 1/4000s ? ...
Unfortunately, even on the R
Sony A7CR has a lot better colors than A7Cii.
Huh?
Why would you think that?
@@learningcameras everybody would think that if they cared to compare identical images side by side. A7Cii has skin color problems with orange yellowish tints. Some people skin in artificial light show even greenish shifts. Blues (sky) show cyan shifts. And AWB overall is hit and miss, mostly miss. A7Cr has none of those problems.
Sony A74 left behind.
If only it was cute that he thinks Sony has evolved something becose of him pointing something out...
It was a joke. Although I have talked to the heads of Sony America several times and we meet the lead project engineers at most release events so I have had extended conversations with them about what I like and dislike many times over the years
Goodbye Fuji.
Sony was definitely not listening to you.
I do talk to their engineers a few times per year. Props to Sony because when we get these cameras to test or when they do events to let us try out new gear, they always have a team of engineers from Japan on site to hear our feedback and take notes. How much of that goes into production...who knows but yeah, I do actually talk to the decision makers at Sony Japan and it used to happen extremely often pre-covid
The amount of work you put into your videos is just unbelievable.💯💥🙌🔥🔥🔥
Means a lot!!!
Do these YT camera dudes all get paid by Sony to act stupid?? Get 24mp instead of 60+ mp? Are you eating lead paint? Why would anyone do that? 24mp sucks..you can see the obvious quality difference. I literally sent the camera back to buy the A7CR. 60+ Is minimum to capture great images. These guys are a joke lol
I wish I got paid by Sony for this lol...but why if I was getting paid by Sony would I recommend getting a different camera than the one I was using??? This would be my last job for them.
I disagree with you. In almost every case having 24mp with larger pixel sites will yield just as good images especially in low light when sampled below 24mp so unless you absolutely need the resolution such as large prints, pixel retouching, and stuff like that, the A7CII is great. Keep in mind that 60mp means the camera is slower, especially without a CFexpress card, has less detail with video because it can't oversample, and is much more expensive. Again, I love the sensor...I personally own the A7RV so I actually use this 60mp sensor but I need the resolution for lens tests, printing, and the RV had hardware advantages that the A7IV and A7CII/CR don't have like the improved screen/viewfinder, and dual CFexpress slots. Just because it's technically better and I personally use it doesn't mean I would recommend it for most people watching my videos and I think the A7CII is an easier to justify camera than the A7CR
One thousand usd for a 4tb mac storage upgrade.. You mac buyers are so sad 😂
Hahaha...I just use external SSD drives because I don't have that kind of $$$ but the M processor is the only reason I went mac
Lousy EVF and screen. Won’t be looking to buy it.
Good news is we have options with the A7RV. I just think this was a missed opportunity to get the formula right as much as I like the sensor
How about if you want the smallest body with the best sensor? It's that simple. Why are you throwing those large lenses on it? You're missing the point, dude. This is the dumbest review I've seen in a while.
I'm using the lenses I own and love...why is that dumb? I'm perfectly fine with a slightly larger lens to get the image I want. If you're not, use small ones! And if you want the smallest body with the best sensor, buy the camera! I literally said that. Dude, ease up....but I think MOST people would be best served with the A7CII which uses identical sensor tech with more autofocus coverage and still has tons of resolution, or getting the A7RV which puts some extra features most people buying $3k cameras should have. But either way, I said this camera is amazing so not sure why you're worked up about it... The title literally says "yes, it's that good"
It's definitely not worth the money if one plans to use it as their main camera. It's probably not worth the money period. And the A7CII is a better value, yes. But there's no interchangeable lens camera in the market that matches its portability and resolution combo. Once you put a G-master on that body it loses its whole purpose for existing and judging it accordingly is irrelevant.
If you're a street photographer, you want this, not the A7R5. You want smaller. For certain.