If I were THIS Bible publisher, I would. . .
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ย. 2024
- Fellow Bible reviewers Tim Nickels and Tim Wildsmith join Tim Frisch to discuss what they would do differently or keep doing if they were certain Bible publishers.
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Lockman: Make some 1977s available in black letter! I know they won't, but I'd love it if they did.
Best we three Tim’s video yet. I agreed with so many of the comments:
1) Crossway Ribbons
2) Schuyler Cross on full taps, and 36 GSM with 10pt font. 36 GSM is so much better to turn. 28 GSM feels too thin.
3) Premium Collection for the NET, I’m waiting for that to make my NET purchase
4) Thomas Nelson / Zondervan premium collection is AWESOME !!
5) Do the NKJV 2025
6) Allan NASB 2020 ??
7) Cambridge really does need to up their game for their price
A lot of time when I see a side-by-side comparison of a premium bible and a cheaper Leathersoft or Leathertouch or Two-toned bible, I'm actually more impressed with the look of the cheaper, non--premium version than the more expensive premium version.
Please do not change the NKJV text, ever! I am with Tim Nickels!
I agree totally
Tim Nickels is actually hilarious. I know he's a pastor but he needs to do standup.
24:00 I would love to see a midsize Quentel. I would also love to see a midsize LSB reference. 8.5”x5.5” is the all-around best size Bible for me. Perfect for church, study, and everyday carry.
Humble Lamb in the BSB!!!
All in on the Allen highland goatskin. Still my favorite goatskin I’ve seen
I agree with Tim Wildsmith about Cambridge making bibles that are high quality but more affordable. I would suggest that for all exclusively premium bible publishers.
I agree with Tim Nickels about Thomas Collins and Zondervan breaking away from Harper-Collins and becoming an independent company.
I agree with Tim Frisch about stopping printing bibles in China and starting printing in other countries like South Korea, or the United States.
Another great video. I love it when you guys get together!
#1- No, No, No on a NKJV update. We have enough Bible translations. Focus needs to be on spreading God's Word, not rewriting it.
#2- I think alot of people fail to ever critique Schuyler Bibles enough. Yes they are nice (I purchased 2), but they have alot of room for improvement. Their concordances are horrible. I would like to see more of theirs offered in red letter or how about blue letter. I would also like to see them use a different shipping company other than FedEx. (Joking, sort of).
#3- Value for price I still think Thomas Nelson wins.
YES! YES! YES! THANK YOU, TIM NICKELS! I have always said Humble Lamb bibles are WAY TOO EXPENSIVE!! Humble Lamb bibles are great bibles. I love the color choices and I love that they say "The Word of God" instead of "Holy Bible" on them. I agree with Tim Nickels that they should have an option without the Gustave Doré artwork, but like Tim said, they are too expensive. But I do understand why they're so expensive after hearing what Tim said about them being a small company and not making that many bibles. Hopefully, as they become more established, they can start hiring more staff and start producing more bibles at a lower cost.
Yes to having no Dore artwork available.
@@bethvaughn4231 It's beautiful artwork, but I feel it distracts from the text itself.Just my opinion.
Love my purple Zondervan and green Thomas Nelson goatskins. They were much more affordable than some other brands as they were on sale at Amazon. Cambridge could definitely make their Bibles prettier for the price.
Good job guys! My wish list: The NKJV with Apocrypha. Update the notes while in the process.
This was awesome to watch. Great conversation Tims
At times I thought Nickels was ready to drop an elbow off the top rope like Macho Man.
I have a long list of things I wish publishers would do. My biggest complaint: most premium Bibles, except Allan, don’t feel premium. The materials are nice, but something is missing. It’s like they aren’t designed by people who have spent a lot of time around luxury products.
You know I like to see you all working together
Please, Schuyler, make international shipping FREE like Allen do! You’re killing me over here in Australia with Fed Ex fees, and standard ship takes forever and is still not cheap!
I'm a subscriber to, and fan of, all three of your channels, but I especially appreciate these joint videos. Thank you! Lots of good discussion here, on a really wide range of topics.
I’m a BIG FAN of the 3Tims! This video was great!! Your personalities and respect for each other just makes it so much fun to watch.
I’m going to agree with Nickles about the NKJV😆
I watched for about 20 minutes before I realized they are all Tim.
41:00 100% agree. I remember when Steve Camp immolated his music career with his 95 Theses about CCM on Reformation Day. He was mocked for saying CCM being bought by secular labels was being unsqua2lly yoked.
He was right then. He remains right.
Tim Wildsmith, from your mouth to God’s ears. As someone who exclusively uses the KJV and would love to have a crossway produced KJV, I would jump at the chance to have one. Put in a good word with Crossway if you ever get a chance.
What would be really nice but pie-in-the-sky is for Harper-Collins to spin off Nelson, Zondervan, and the part of Collins that still produces bibles, as their own company, and perhaps for an explicitly Evangelical Protestant Christian concern to run them. Has to be all three.
Regarding Schuyler: I understand the Jerusalem cross is their logo but I've always thought it made it awkward, because it makes it look like a Catholic bible.
Dang nabit. I missed the live! So glad we can rewatch
Cant wait for the book to drop tim wildsmith. Love the 3T collaboration. All three of you have done a great job, i watch all 3 and you've made me consider doing a low level bible review channel too.
What I like about Holman is they're affiliated with a church. That's how Bible publishers really ought to be.
I think Crossway really should be regularly producing an heirloom edition of their ESV Study Bible. All their other premier text blocks have had a variety of newer editions in the last several years.
Or are the Study Bible’s glory days truly gone???
Some funny moments. Great to see the back and forth.
I always say that i wish i could do a buffet style order...to get my own personal bible.. i can never xheck off all the boxes of my wish list
I'm a low cost Bible consumer because of my budget. I honestly don't care for hardcover anything because they are difficult for me to handle, but if the cost of a hardcover is $20 + cheaper than the leathersoft or whatever they call it, I would have to go with the hardcover. I get that premium Bibles have a market, but I am sure there are many, many Bible reading Christians who are on very tight budgets and I wish at least a couple publishers would take the less financially fortunate folks into consideration and focus on better made inexpensive Bibles. Fortunately, I have all I need but I know of others who want to own two or three translations to enhance their studies, but can't afford it. Oh, and please don't refer us to the Internet because many of us only have cell phones and they are very difficult for visually challenged people to comfortably use.
I agree with two things here: 1. The NKJV text does not need to be updated. It took about 400 or so years to get an acceptable update to the JKV and the English language has not changed that much since the NKJV came on the scene - and yes, I predate the NKJV - a lot. and 2. I agree with leaving China. I have three editions of the NKJV two printed in the U. S. and one in Korea all with covers of synthetic leather. I am presently in the process of recovering the two American ones because the covers were falling apart. The Korean one looks as though it will last a few more years. Over all I am very well pleased with the three but I would definitely choose the American ones over the Korean. I might add the problems with these were the covers and not the text blocks - they are as good as new and the paper is good on all of them.
As far as China goes, I simply will not buy another Bible that is printed in China. I bought an NKJV by Nelson and one of the signatures towards the middle loosened up almost from the getgo. They replaced it - no questions asked (I did send them pictures.) I have a Holman NKJV that the cover was simply coming apart from the text block (also Chinese). They likewise replaced it no questions asked.
I buy Bibles to use - not to sit on a shelf. I have also decided that if I buy a Bible that you have made and put a lifetime guarantee on, and it is faulty, you better get ready to honor your guarantee.
My humble opinion - it’s really hard to beat ‘American Made’.
Especially, newer Christians that are saving hard earned money, to purchase their first Premium Bible.
what funny coincidence, three Tim's.... 🙂
I'd like to see:
more KJV and NASB95 bibles in single-column, paragraph format, or as full-on readers' bibles. Especially in non-premium.
a low-cost, one-volume offering in the American Literary Version.
re-issue of the wildly successful NIV84, even though I wouldn't be reading it (been there, grew up with that).
more cloth-over-board offerings.
A general comment, applicable to all Bible publishers, please take any printing you may have out of China and commission it to either South Korean or more preferably to the Netherlands. I can't tell you how disappointed I was to find Allan using publication in China at times.
TN should consider improving on their brown goatskin. Its clearly a coated leather. It ripples when bent/curled.
Great video!! The passion you guys have is just amazing. I would like to see more this kind of video.
Yes to a minor revision to the NKJV. But the biggest thing for me is to base the translation on the majority text and move the TR (received text) to the footnotes.
I would also create a table with all translation variants and add it to the back of the Bible. Much more efficient to see all the variants before starting to study a book of the Bible, rather than constantly look for footnotes.
Just check out how many times the TR differs from BOTH the majority and critical text in the book of Revelation!
@@shelleyshulamite5976 No. The Critical text and the majority text are the two different text types that consider all the Greek texts. The received text (KJV) was based on a very small number of texts, so there are several places where the kjv will disagree with both the CT and the MT.
The NKJV has a great into on all this information. It is also the only translation that identifies all three of these Greek texts.
@@chrisa4583 thank you
If I were Crossway: I would bring back their Interleaved Journaling Bible. It's a form factor nobody else has done and now that Crossway stopped nobody is doing it anymore. Any time I show mine to someone they say they want one, and I wish I had a premium one instead of just my cheap hardcover
If I were Zondervan I would PUT THE NIV84 BACK IN PRINT LIKE THEY SAID THEY WOULD
If I were Cambridge: I would license the CSB to make a CSB Pitt Minion
I'm not sure what it would entail to make pages easier to grip and turn, but I'd like to see pages that are easier to grip and turn. Available in black letter! I have essential tremors, but publishers should not assume that people with shaking hands necessarily want red letters.
I really miss the HCSB and still use mine more than the CSB, but I understand why they stopped making it
Leave the NKJV alone !!
Lol the Crossway ribbons😂
Schuyler: four ribbons on Quentels, Canterburys, and Stridons, three ribbons on PSQs and PSCs; dark black calfskin option (in addition to black pearl); 1560 Geneva Quentel full yapp black goatskin; larger font point size for concordances. I don’t mind the 28 GSM paper but wouldn’t be opposed to 32 or 36. Agree with Tim that the Jerusalem Cross should be centered between the spine and the tool line for full yapp covers.
On Cambridge bibles: I really like the KJV Cameo; then their beautifully made NKJV Topaz in premium goatskin is a premium bible, mine is dark blue whose cover looks and feels identical to my Imperial Blue Schuyler PSQ NKJV is one of my favourites to hold and read! The Concord just has a fantastic typeface; I have the wide margin and reference bibles.
Would love to see a King James Version Schuyler Quentel (Not Canterbury but Quentel) that is a paragraph Style layout, black letter text and also with verse numbers in red.
Also would love to see KJV translation foot notes included as well.
Agreed that it would be nice if Crossway would produce KJVs as well as ESVs. Tyndale only really has the NLT but they do publish KJVs too.
This was fun! Thanks!!
I second the Crossway Chinese paper, have the no-mega, and paragraph pteacher where its used and think only the 40 gsm I have in the LSB ICR is preferred. Crossway ribbons dont bother me at all. Better when not stacked but excessive length and colour would detracts from the class I find that Crossways have and make them set apart distinct.
NET full notes 11 point font. Would be gigantic.
These Publishers are making Billions of dollars. They owe the the Sincere Christians a decent and easily to read (dark print) Bible
More elegance in the presentation pages not just a block graphic (Zondervan)…
Loved this video!
I’m curious now. What other publisher is works with the KJV?
Show starts @2:59
So, how do you feel about Crossway ribbons?...lol
How can you argue with what a person does not like? That's not an absolute judgement, it's a matter of preference.
It's possible in some cases to give them insight and an appreciation of something they didn't recognize before, to at least take them from actively not liking it to being neutral
I think the NKJV needs to update the footnotes as well... leave the text alone.
I much more prefer, Zondervan😊 than Schuyler junk😡!!!!!
For me it's Schuyler all the way.
Great price point
Great quality
Consistent
Excellent customer service
Great translations are available
Always coming out with something new and upping their game
Really great color ways
NICHOLS IS THE ONLY SENSIBLE ONE!!!
At least one of the people that "corrected" TW on the solas vs five points of Calvinism was not a Reformed bro. I'm just a non-denominational layman, who happens to live in the St Louis area, and spent several years listening to Missouri Synod radio programs. 🙂
I cannot stand Humble Lamb bibles. I hate their leather and their cropped Dore illustrations, and that History interior is so cluttered it would give me a visual headache. And, they are ridiculously expensive.
No way, leave the NKJV alone 😁
Thicker pages. Larger fonts. Made in America. The paper should be thicker for two reasons. Extremely easy to wrinkle- and never get those creases back out. And easier to read because there is no ghosting. 40 gsm sounds decent.
Bigger fonts because there are millions of readers who need larger, and bolder, print. everyone wants to sell to younger readers, omitting millions of people who would also gladly buy those bibles. I would suggest 12 point font as a standard size.
Made in America. Stop selling us out to a country that is perverting their own bibles.
Absolutely on the thick paper and bigger type ! Ghosting is a big problem for my eyes. And I don’t mind a large heavy bible at all. Recently I’ve been reading in a family bible, you know, the kind people give newlyweds but they’re “too big” and never get read, well the large type and thick paper are perfect for me.
Schuyler, is the worst!!!!
Very weak font print!!!!! Verse numbers hard to see!!!! Page numbers hidden in the gutter!!!!!
Smearing there logo on the face of the front cover.
Their quality is becoming worse!!!!
Do not TOUCH the NKJV
Do not be a pimp for these Bible Publishers! Or, you will betray the sincere Christians seeking truthful Reviews, in order to not waste money on a poorly produced Bible!!!!
Tim Wildsmith hasdone this in the past. Kissing the ass of the Publishers!!!!😂
Why was SO MUCH TIME WASTED ON " Welcome to The Show. A very annoying pointless exercise!
It wasn't pointless, this was streamed live so they were stalling so more of their live audience had time to show up
@justinjohnson2917 Okay, not pointless if you do livestream. I don't so it was.
@@shirleygoss1988you can fast forward past it
NICHOLIS IS THE. ONLY ADULT IN THE GROUP😁♥️🦾🙏
SHOWED . GREAT CHRISTIAN CONTROL WHEN CONSTANTLY INTERRUPTED BY THE OTHER TWO , sILLY REVIEWERS!♥️
HARD TO TAKE SILLY WILDSMITH SERIOUSLY!!!🥳