Piecing together the mystery of the ACOLYTE with new clues from Episode 4
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ค. 2024
- This video looks at all the new clues we learn about the multi-layered mystery from The Acolyte episode 4!
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00:00 - Intro
00:30 - Kelnacca's etchings
01:25 - Mae's deal with the Master
03:40 - Mae's interest in Osha
05:10 - A change of heart by Mae
07:32 - Jecki gets some training
08:31 - The Jedi's discussion
12:30 - Vernestra isn't very happy
14:45 - We meet a Tynnan from Legends
16:01 - Never touch the strange creatures!
17:20 - Learning why Osha left the Order
18:44 - Facing Osha's past
19:29 - The Master arrives!
20:50 - The biggest open questions
22:34 - Outro - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
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When the episode ended abruptly just as the action was about to begin, even my mother (who isn't a Star Wars fan and just happened to be in the living room at the time) reacted with shock.
Great story! Yeah, that was a crazy ending. Really gets me pumped for the last 4 episodes!
@@AbitofEverything4Uep 3 was def a let down for me, but that just made ep 4 (mostly the ending) that much more interesting
Shock about how to badly end an episode?
@@yukikid2195 Yeah Ep 4's ending was pretty insane. Hoping the series continues to ratchet up the intensity over the last 4 episodes!
@AbitofEverything4U wtf you have got to be kidding. No way you believe that bs. This show is very badly written. This has got to be a money laundering scheme
Sol in the first episode : “Your eyes can deceive you.”
Osha in the fourth episode : “I saw her (Mae) with my own eyes.”
Interesting...good catch!
I think Sol is the Sith Lord, (Qimir is his Apprentice and in the mask) but the "don't trust your eyes" line by Sol will 100% come up in the mystery.
Rewatch Episode 3 about 35 minutes in. Mae and Osha stand on the broken bridge. They start to fall, and Master Sol can only save Osha...
Or does he push Mae clear first?
"Your eyes can deceive you. We must not trust them"
@@sylarjordan4037 Another great theory! Man, lots of ways this can go down!
@@sylarjordan4037 Sol is Tenebrous. It's a joke name. ironic. Like a barber named Harry. This makes Qimir Venomous. Now they had better unzip their masks and reveal secret BITH inside like some bs MIB body suits!
Alright, I wasn’t sure when the theories started, but Mae’s master is absolutely Qimir. He talks like a Sith Lord, he can fight as well as a Sith Lord, he changed the subject very quickly when Mae asked if he knew the Sith’s identity, AND he disappeared from the episode right before the Sith master shows up out of nowhere and kills Kelnacca even though the master would have no way of knowing Mae betrayed him unless he was Qimir. I get that it’s very obvious but I can’t imagine any other explanation making sense considering all that
I'd say "only a Sith deals in absolutes", but I'm reasonably sure you're not them...or are you??
Yeah, it sure looks like it's Qimir. I will give the show huge props if they find a way to make it someone else, but right now Qimir is looking very sus!
@@user-jg5ie8rc1s What you say is true, from a certain point of view
@@AbitofEverything4U leslie headlands wife is the sith master. nepotism
@@Riley_C. Niiiice! Well done!
For what it’s worth, we’re all assuming The Master is a Sith, but we don’t actually know that for sure… there’s any number of dark side wielders in Star Wars that aren’t specifically from the Sith order.
And even if The Master does turn out to be a Sith, there’s no saying whether the Jedi will learn that or not, they could just say, “well, that was a dangerous force user, thank goodness that’s dealt with!” without finding out his true allegiance…
It’s also worth keeping in mind, the last known confirmed appearance of verified Sith was around 900 years before this show, so while we’re used to seeing them, for these Jedi, they’re closer to being a myth, and not something they’d immediately jump to.
Great points! Yeah, the episode definitely showed the Jedi looking for any possible explanation other than a Sith. They were even willing to assume it was a rogue Jedi that trained Mae. So perhaps they'll never even realize it was a Sith...or, to your point, it may not even be a Sith to begin with. Very interesting theories. Thanks for sharing them!
I am so used to “hello mcu fans” this I was very taken aback when he said Star Wars instead lol
lol...yeah, that probably was pretty strange. I do have to do a few different takes to get it right!
Quimir is definitely maes master but the real question is who is his master thats hiding in the shadows
Great point...someone else is likely pulling the strings. One more question to add to the open list. Loving this multi-layered mystery so far!
@AbitofEverything4U absolutely the master we are seeing is most likely just an apprentice looking for his apprentice
Right! Nice call!
Craziest theory out there is that Venestra is Darth smile. Show runners said the 5th episode is the craziest one to break the internet.
Yeah, Vernestra being the Sith wouldn't surprise me. She seems very sus. And yeah, I'm betting that episode 5 is gonna be nuts. Can't wait!
Always like the Star Wars tradition of We know it happened and the question is HOW. Hopefully this doesn’t break canon or stretch it any further. Great breakdowns as always! Love the analytical approach to shows!
Well said...I think by including Ki-Adi-Mundi it was like they were looking right at us and saying "I promise, we'll make this all make sense in time". Fingers crossed it all works out in the end. I'm certainly enjoying the ride along the way! And thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your feedback on it. Really appreciate it!
I need more of this Sith Lord. He’s quite chilling. And it's not just by his looks. He’s also quite powerful. I don’t think I’ve seen a Sith Lord this powerful in years.
Agreed...that Sith Lord is insanely powerful and I'm here for it. Can't wait to see how the back half of the season pans out!
If it's not tenebrous it doesn't make sense
@@alexneff chances are this is either his master or his apprentice. And before you say anything Plagueis had multiple apprentices of his own and so did Tenebrous.
@@GalvatronStudiospersonally, I don’t believe they’re going the “Sith” route. It’s right there in the name of the show, he’ll end up being an acolyte of the dark side. Cause of the rule of 2
@@alexneff Yeah, I'm very curious to see how it turns out!
The only character we have seen with bizarre passion for ancient rules and a reason to want to kill the four Jedi is Mother Koril.
Yeah, Mother Koril definitely seems to have a strong motive for being the main Sith!
Love that ending! Really liking this show so far
Yeah that ending was intense. Really got me excited about the back half of the season!
And as usual my comment is not posting. But I will say that my biggest issue with the episode is how the Wookie is unalived off-screen and then just as the Sith arrives ... the episode ends. I'll post my full comment on Discord.
Yeah, we need more Kelnacca...hoping we get a healthy dose of Wookie combat in the flashback episode!
based on last ep, my theory is the master is one of the witches. just like they thought mae died, they THINK all the witches died but they didnt........
Yeah, they are definitely making Qimir look guilty (abit TOO guilty, tbh) and so I'm still thinking the Master is one of the witches. Good theory!
The Apprentice is Darth zipperface.( mother Koril). the Master is Qimir.
@@brianlynch6935 Very cool theory!
Thank you for your insightful breakdown. I really enjoy this series.
Really appreciate the positive feedback on the vid. Thanks so much! And I'm very happy to hear you're enjoying the series. I am too. The multi-layered mystery is alot of fun and I'm becoming more and more invested in the characters. Next episode coming in 24 hours!
definitely some Osha and Jecki tension
Big time tension!
Man, what an episode!
As for the whole "killing a Jedi without a weapon", I really like the idea put forth by Alex, from the channel Star Wars Explained, who basically said that, because in the High Republic the Jedi Order is at the height of their power in the Galaxy, what she needs to do in order to pave the way for the eventual return of the Sith is to, metaphorically, "kill" what the Jedi care the most for: their reputation. So, in this interpretation, killing a Jedi without a weapon doesn't mean to physically kill them, but rather to "kill" their image in the public eye, maybe exposing the truth about what truly happened in the fire or something else along that line. And in fact, going back to the prequel trilogy, what eventually leads to the downfall of the Jedi is exactly a combination of the corruption within the Order and the manipulation that Palpatine is able to do on their image during the Clone Wars. This would be a perfect starting point to connect with that part of the canon.
I love that idea! And it works really well, because Mae is clearly focused on combat as the answer, when perhaps that isn't the answer. It's killing their image instead. Very good theory!
Great analysis! I think the show is doing a great job presenting the mysteries, giving us a little bit of information at a time and keeping us intrigued and guessing. I really hope the questions are answered this season.
And I’m extremely curious how they’re going to handle the Phantom Menace/knowing about the Sith dilemma. Because I just can’t think of a solution.
Yeah, I'm really digging the multi-faceted mystery and how they are slowly giving us answers, yet also adding more questions at the same time. If they give us the second flashback then I think we'll get alot of things answered. And I agree, I'm abit nervous about the Phantom Menace/Sith situation. If things were more contained and less Jedi knew about it, it would be easier to accept. But I also suspect they included Ki-Adi-Mundi to show that they are aware of that scene in Phantom Menace and will make it all work out. Fingers crossed!.
Have you read the Bane trilogy? A very similar situation to this one played out in the 2md book.
@@cloudmaster182 No. Thank you for the recommendations. I will check them out.
@@cloudmaster182 Sounds cool!
@AbitofEverything4U it was a very cool story. It explained the early stages of the rule of 2, how the Jedi knew about it, and why the Jedi (falsely) believed the Sith to be fully extinct, down to the last Sith Lord. I'm sure this will resolve in a similar fashion to that story, with every Jedi who knew directly of the Sith Lord's existence dying and any with secondhand knowledge being manipulated
All 3 audio books are on youtube (only about 2/3rds of the first book). It's one hell of a trilogy. You can tell this show is heavily informed by legends knowledge
Not exactly informed by the timeline or bringing exact events over 1:1 to canon. but general principles and concepts introduced in legends are carrying over and being directly referenced in this show
The way some people are reacting to Ki-Adi Mundi being in this episode is insane. Showrunners should not have to abide by a minor detail in a 25 year old reference book.
100% agree. Even George Lucas himself considered it to be a third tier level of canon. I just don't get why people are so upset about it.
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Thanks so much for the positive feedback on the vid. Yeah, I just don't understand all the hate. I try to find the positives to focus on. Sure, I'll mention a negative here and there if there are some issues I have with something. But I'd much rather enjoy the content we are getting and in this case, I just love the multi-layered mystery. It's definitely keeping me guessing. Really appreciate you watching the vid and sharing your thoughts!
This is a breath of fresh air & a honest breakdown.
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1. The only way the line in Phantom Menace works is if the jedi group gets killed by Qimir/Darth Venamis, OR if the survivors decide to keep it to themselves and never tell the rest of the Order. Even though Ki Adi Mundi was in the meeting here they never mentioned the Sith in fact they thought it was "one of their own" aka a Jedi or Dark Jedi. Also the jedi are hardheaded and stubborn so ofc Ki Adi Mundi wouldn't even consider the Sith here.
2. As to how Yoda and the high Council knew about the rule of two but not that the Sith were still around well it's easy, somewhere throughout the 1000 years they probably figured this out through Sith holocrons or artifacts, but still believed that eventually they went extinct. Assuming that the acolyte prevents this Sith from being discovered by the rest of the order, it should keep canon intact.
3. As to who "The Master" is, it's one of 6 options. The least likely is Darth Plagueis and Tenebrous. More likely than that is probably one of the Witches (Aniseya is credited for 6 episodes so likely her but Koril only credited for one so prolly not). After that my biggest theory is that it's Qimir, and my hot take is that Qimir is Darth Venamis, making his actions an attempt to overthrow Plagueis and become the only Apprentice to Tenebrous or even kill Tenebrous himself.
Fantastic theories. I agree with all of what you said. Very well stated!
Nice breakdown
Thanks so much! Really appreciate it. Been a great series so far!
The main witch is the dark side user. She is the only one with the personal motivation to kill those particular Jedi.
Yep...I do think you could be right with that theory. Sure makes alot of sense. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on it. Can't wait for the reveal!
I think the reason that the younglings in The Phantom Menace were most likely given Lightsabers is that they were extremely powered down versions suitable for younglings. Perhaps in the centuries before the Phantom Menace, though, the phrase "Never bring a stick to a Lightsaber fight" hadn't caught on yet.
Good point...I sure hope they were on a non-lethal setting when those kids were using them. And yeah, "Never bring a stick to a Lightsaber fight" will indeed a key tenet of the Jedi...right up there with "please don't run with your lightsaber...you'll put an eye out". Thanks, mom!
@@AbitofEverything4U Thanks for replying. Always nice to see someone that has a sense of humour regarding Star Wars. I find the current lack of a sense of humour in Star Wars fans disturbing.
Yeah, the current discourse around Star Wars is disappointing. I hope fans come back to the fold and try to find the good in the content we are getting. It's not perfect, but there's still alot to enjoy about it!
@@AbitofEverything4U Agreed.
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Lets not forget. Even nightsisters had children. One of the witches was probably his mom too
Of course they didn't have male witches. But like Maul he studied the dark side
Great point about the nightsisters and Maul. Man, I loved those Clone Wars episodes. Definitely some of the best of the series!
Thanks for the breakdown ❤👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Thanks so much for the positive feedback on the vid! Really appreciate it!
3:11 theory: she can’t k1lL a Jedi without a weapon, but she’s not the apprentice HE is. He’s the one who has to complete the mission and he’s using her need for revenge to complete the task. It seems like a Sith skill is infiltration while masking their identity and true purpose…
Nice! That's a cool theory. I hadn't considered that Qimir might be using Mae to complete the task. Thanks for sharing that!
But wouldn't that make Mae his weapon/instrument?
@@CCFONESOL Interesting...I mean, yeah in a sense, Mae might be considered a weapon in that regard. Man, it ain't easy to kill w/o using a weapon!
It goes beyond just making sure Mundi doesn’t exactly learn that there’s a “Sith”. Remember, in TPM, the only evidence Qui-Gon gives for why he immediately (and correctly) clocks Darth Maul as a Sith is because he was trained in the Jedi arts and attacking a Jedi. At this point, since we know Mundi survives, there’s basically no way to reconcile these differences. Unless I’m missing something (always a possibility). It’s gonna make the Jed and Qui-Gon sound dumb for not considering a “splinter order”, but obviously they didn’t consider that bc they didn’t exist lol.
Complaining about Mundi’s age is dumb tho bc yeah, his age nor his species life span was ever in canon. I’m all good with that!
I agree...I'm abit concerned they may not be able to reconcile that line from TPM, but I'm holding out hope that they have a plan in mind and we'll be pleasantly surprised. Fingers crossed!
I think the master is Darth Jar Jar
Somehow Jar Jar returned?
@@AbitofEverything4U He always does :))
@@alexpintea Indeed!
I think the younglings that Yoda was training were using special "training" lightsabers that just light up to look like real lightsabers, but aren't actually destructive. Maybe such devices just weren't invented yet at the time of the Acolyte, so that's why they were using sticks. (This raises a general side question I've had in my mind: Do we ever really see technology advance in the Star Wars universe? The level of technology always seems about the same, no matter what time period we're seeing.)
Oh, that’s a cool idea… I like the idea of “training” light sabers that light up but that are otherwise harmless. And that’s a really good point about the technology. I mean, just something simple like blasters don’t seem to evolve much over the years. But then I guess if you think about it, we’re only covering a time span of around 60+ years going from 32 BBY to 35 ABY. Still though, you would expect to see some technological advances over that span of time.
@@AbitofEverything4U All of the collective innovation goes toward building bigger and bigger weapons of mass destruction. (Death Star, Death Star 2, Star Killer)
Very true!
Great video, thank you for being positive about the show… This was fun to watch. You have a new subscriber!
Thanks so much for your kind words and support. I agree, it's a fun watch and the multi-layer mystery is definitely keeping me engaged. Very excited to see where the back half of the season takes us!
I’m just saying… Darth Bazil?? Haha
YAS! I am so down for that!!!
The only way to kill a Jedi without a weapon is to turn them Sith
My guesses:
Vernestra is the Sith Lord, Qimir is the apprentice
Mae and Osha can fulfill the Doctrine of the Dyad which is why four (!) Jedi were stationed on Brendok
Awesome theory. That makes a ton of sense!
I think Mundi and the rest of the Jedi will think they are just a splinter group that uses the dark side, maybe with ties to the Witches. If you are keeping your plans for an eventual return to dominance a secret, you don't say "BTW I'm also a Sith"
Great point! I mean, at this point they are convinced it's got to be a rogue Jedi, so they are ready to believe just about anything other than a return of the Sith. I honestly think the series will explain it in a way that makes perfect sense by the final episode.
If Darth zipper face is a witch ( Koril) then the jedi won't know the sith have returned.
@@brianlynch6935 Great point!
I think the Mai that set the fire was a mind trick and she wasn’t really there or the one that set the fire
Cool theory! Yeah, I definitely don't believe that Mae did it under her own will power, but that's an interesting suggestion that she wasn't even there and that it was a mind trick. Love it!
@@AbitofEverything4U What tipped me off was when she said, “I'll kill you.” That seemed like such an insane response to her sister thinking about leaving her, and it seemed like something someone would say to push her to leave.
Exactly! That seemed totally out of character for Mae!
There's definitely more with Kelnacca we just don't know about yet, we'll see something more in another flashback from what I've heard, even something from a trailer, but I really don't remember.
There's no way Qimir isn't Mae's Sith Master at this point. And as for collecting people, this is clearly stuff to get into her head, or the Sith Master actually does collect some kind of memento from other Acolytes. And when it comes to killing Jedi without a weapon, that seems very metaphorical, but also, people need to know that the Jedi can be harmed. Unfortunately though, I don't see how killing Kelnacca would help show that because he's all alone in the woods, it's not like the other two where people were around to see it.
There is a stun setting on lightsabers, we see it at the start of the Season 2 episode of Rebels, Mystery at Chopper Base. The blades do look and sound different than what was in Attack of the Clones though. At the same time, in Young Jedi Adventures, the kids in that show do have solid blades, but they don't seem to be able to cut through anything while anyone older with their own lightsabers can actually do anything with them. The kids literally have training sabers, so at best they may be able to deflect a blaster bolt if they can't only just absorb it into their blade. Now obviously it's a preschooler show, there's no reason for
them to be hacking anyone to pieces, but they're no older than the children with Yoda, so I think we can reasonably assume that they're working with training sabers.
Ki-Adi-Mundi being in the show bugs me only because I don't feel like he should have been in that room. I personally like it being that he was completely in the dark about the idea of the Rule of Two, that he blindly believes that the Sith truly are extinct. Now of course, they never outright say the word in the show, there's only speculation, but I'm still not a fan of his inclusion in that scene. It doesn't break the canon (yet), but there are also just so many Jedi that are being clued into what's going on, too. If it was just the people from the first two episodes, it could be manageable, but we've got too many people learning about these killings now with speculation that it could be worse than some offshoot of the Jedi that's gone rogue.
For me, the episode really became interesting in those last five minutes. Bazil and the Umbra Moth didn't really do anything for me, but I do like the grunty, growly dude that Jecki's taking to. Sometimes the pulp works, sometimes it don't, and unfortunately a lot of this episode was just a miss. I do like that Mae's losing interest in her task, the reason she's doing anything is void to her, and then the Sith Master just floating down like Dooku in the Clone Wars Microseries was rad.
I'm curious to see just who makes it out of the following fight alive. It could easily be another flashback episode, but I'd say probably another week from now. We really need to know what happened 16 years ago, and there is the potential that with Mae turning away from the Sith, that Osha may actually be turning toward the Sith depending on what happens and if she gets the full story of what happened.
Great commentary as always. I'm with you in your concern about so many Jedi knowing about the situation. If it were more contained, it would be easier to accept that scene in Phantom Menace. But I also suspect they included Ki-Adi-Mundi to show that they are aware of that scene and will make it all work out. Fingers crossed!. And I like your theory that Mae turns good while Osha starts to turn bad. That would be a wild twist!
@@AbitofEverything4U I wouldn't have thought about the Mae and Osha heel turns without Star Wars Explained and some of the other people watching their livestreams. It's an interesting thought because if Sol knows everything that happened, and then tells Osha, she'll feel betrayed. Mae only wanted revenge that no longer matters because Osha is alive, but Osha was kept in the dark about what happened to everyone, and if the Jedi are responsible, her inability to let go of her grief will grow toward hatred.
Exactly...makes a ton of sense!
I really want to love this series but I’m finding it hard to care about the characters, they are usually the most important element to a good show or movie
I can understand your sentiment. The writing has been abit stiff at times. I do find myself interested in Osha and Sol and as of this latest episode, Mae has gotten more interesting, but it is tough writing stories for Jedi, since they are supposed to be very stoic. I remember not liking Qui Gon Jin and Obi Wan's portrayal in TPM due to how subdued they were. It took most of the movie for me to finally care about them. The last battle with Maul really brought out their personalities. So I wonder if we'll see the characters in the Acolyte start to become more interesting now that the Sith has revealed itself!
It's Indra behind the mask was obvious from the first episode. Carrie Anne Moss said on a interview she had to be secretive on set and her wardrobe has to be hidden, also her figure is the same in size and height of the masked Sith. It's classic noir you could tell from her first shot on screen it was her.
Interesting theory! So perhaps the opening scene with her death didn't really kill her but just faked it? That would be a very cool reveal if you are right!
@@AbitofEverything4U makes perfect sense they said from the start a Jedi would be seduced by the lure of the Darkside, the banishment of the covenant in the past paying Carrie Anne Moss millions to die in five minutes like seriously. I would have wrote it like that total not see it coming from the start, her Padawan takes a barash vowel and kelnacca had the markings on indaras eye on his wall with the symbols. She takes her death to continue the Sith plan perfectly
Love it!
@@AbitofEverything4U The Indara angle needs to be explored more. I always revisit the first major scene when watching or reading mysteries. I think we've already seen the face of the Master, and it would be one of the earlier characters.
1. The "killing" of Indara is in a public space, and the show makes a big deal about witnesses (the bartender in particular). This could have been part of the set up for a fake murder.
2. The Master meets Mae afterwards. This is still on the same planet of Ueda. How was the "body" of Indara handled? This is not seen, except that some of the people in the noodle shop may have been in on the plan and maybe the body was swapped. Who was Indara talking to on her communicator, when referencing the "force user"? This could have been a code for her accomplices to get ready for a body swap. There would have been time for Indara to get into position to meet Mae later on Ueda. Note the conspicuous use of the red light sabre-- we saw Indara's light sabre on the floor. One person with two light sabres? A possible part of the deception.
3. Indara effortlessly floats upwards in the fight scene in Episode 1. The "Master" floats down at the end of Episode 4.
4. Indara uses the force to stop someone from falling. We don't know where Indara was during the fire (Kelnacca and Torbin look like they've gone berserk in the trailers, and we only otherwise see Sol). Perhaps Indara saved Mae from the fall using the Force.
5. We see the testing of Osha in the ship, but Mae was tested earlier, and presumably lied to fail the test. Indara may have seen through this, and decided that Mae would be someone to "collect" as part of some long game. The witch coven needed to be removed, and the other Jedi would need to keep the secret of what happened, which Indara could use against them without them knowing her plan. Note how Torbin went through a decline over time, becoming a Master but then not able to live with his secret and taking the Barash Vow and went silent for 10 years. Kelnacca was stationed on Khofar but disappeared into the forest over a year ago. Indara doesn't seem to be in any distress-- she's on some remote planet, perhaps helping her work in the shadows as the Master.
6. How to kill a Jedi without a weapon? Maybe the theory of "killing" a Jedi by destroying a reputation begins with how to kill the innocent, well-meaning Sol. Note the scene where Sol says he will reveal everything to Osha-- a line usually said by someone who will soon die before revealing things. He doesn't have to physically die-- he just has to be put in a position were no one will believe him because his reputation will be destroyed.
@@thomasb331 Very cool expansion of the Indara theory. I love it!
Awesome seriee so far!!
I agree...the multi-layered mystery has really kept me guessing and makes me all the more excited to see where the back half of the series takes us!
I think that possibly might have been Ploo Koon,but maybe Filoni nixed it lol.
Good point...that's a definite possibility!
So the first half of the show created many questions, it only makes sense for the second half of the show to answer all of these questions. We do not need any more questions presented in this series.
Well said...yeah, that's definitely what I'm counting on happening as well. Time to start checking the open questions off the list one by one. Love the multi-layered mystery in the series. Thanks so much for watching the video and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!
Ngl I’m kinda worried about the mysteries with this series, halfway through barely anything has been answered. I’m still not judging it yet, this all can be answered but I don’t want it all to be rushed at the end.
Really cool cameos too it’s nice to see Jedi council members like Ki Adi Mundi and at least a member of plo koons species
I agree...I'm abit worried we won't get answers to all our questions, but they still have three more episodes now (since episode 5 just dropped), so I'm hoping against hope that they can give us all the resolutions before it's done!
i know they arent gonna destroy canon, but im really interested in how they are gonna go about doing that
Agreed...gonna be very interesting to see how they avoid stepping on The Phantom Menace!
Qimir is the apprentice of a rogue Jedi. Probably Indara. Which means that when the Jedi learn the name of the Master, they accept that the Sith haven't returned. Yet. Until the Phantom Menace. Problem solved
Good theories! That would be a nice way to solve things and a pretty big reveal regarding Indara. 4 more episodes to go!
What does the clue for?
The clues are slowly answering all of the mysteries...one by one!
Great vid. Ep 4 was really good.
I agree...things are definitely getting very serious now that the Sith has revealed itself and I'm definitely hooked. The back half of the season should be a banger!
@AbitofEverything4U i really hope Darth Plaguies is connected too witches efforts too create life thru Force experiments
I agree...that would be so cool if they make that tie!
I think Star Wars canon always had too strict a definition of Sith. And the creators keep using it as an excuse not to call dark side users Sith. The inquisitors are one example. If those dark side users do most of the things that the 4 Sith examples we have seen then they really should be Sith. In this show one character even said a Sith tenet.
Good points...yeah, we shouldn't assume the Master is a Sith until we know for sure and the fact that the Jedi aren't even considering it to be a possibility shows how long it's been (basically 900 years) since there was a Sith. I'm really interested to see how things go down during the back half of the season. They definitely have me hooked!
"how do you kill a jedi without a weapon?" r u serious? she killed 2 jedi already
Thanks so much for watching and sharing your feedback on the vid. I think the first two kills didn't count, since she used a knife to kill Indara and poison for Torbin. Qimir was telling her she has to kill Kelnacca without a weapon, so I'm pretty sure the first two kills were viewed as using a weapon. But just my take on it.
I'm not bothered by whether or not Legends material is canonized. It's not like Mundi's age was declared in one of the movies. I have no issue with his presence either, because he may never even know about the Sith practitioners. Maybe Mundi can't see what is right in front of him just like he can't in the prequels. I welcome him because he speaks to the overconfidence that contributed to the Jedi order's collapse, given that we are now witnessing the origins of that decay in Acolyte..
I would be more than happy with Qimir being the masked dark side user, As this video mentions, his scenes with Mae are a dark parallel to Yoda's playful yet creepy deceit of Luke on Dagobah. Still, I have my suspicions about Koril. I don't recall seeing her dead body in the third episode of this series. Whatever Qimir turns out to be, Manny Jacinto's performance is unreal. The performance seems to be flying under the radar to some extent, but I see it as equal to Lee Jung jae's Sol.
The Sith practitioner's eerie descent in the final scene of this episode felt like something straight out of a Universal horror movie.
Fantastic commentary on the episode! I 100% agree about Munid's age. Even George Lucas himself considered that CD-ROM to be a third tier level of canon. I just don't get why people are so upset about it. And I love that fact that he is in the series. Like you said, it really brings out the arrogance and denial of the Jedi regarding the Sith.
As for Koril, I agree, I don't think we saw her body and I think she's a very likely candidate for the Sith/dark side user. Either way, Qimir really did bring it with his acting this episode. Dude was messing with Mae's head big time!
And yeah, the end of that episode was insane. Can't wait to see how the back half of the season turns out!
Sith ❌Shit ✅, whenever i see that mask only 2 things come to my mind - Kylo Rens mask + Skinwalking smiley mutants from the new mutants movie
Yeah, it is a way creepy mask, drawing from Kylo Ren, Smiley, and it even had abit of an Aliens feel to it.
I didn’t know you were into Star Wars too! High five! I’ll see y’all on Discord!
Awesome! Will be great to have you join us!
i think i agree with u that its too obvious to be qimir. at least i have some faith that its not gonna be that in your face, but who knows
Yeah, if it does turn out to be Qimir behind the mask, then the real mystery will be who's in charge of Qimir!
One of Osha’s mothers is the Sith Master. Watch me be right.
Yep, I think that's a smart theory at this point!
So, who's behind the sith mask...? According 2 me its
1. Qimir
2. Evil twin of Sol
3. Zebarack mother koril
4. Me
Niiiice! I'm so down with option #4. You'd make a very cool Sith Lord!
@@AbitofEverything4U 😂😂😂😂😂The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural ❤️⚔️
Audition was perfect...you have the role!
@@AbitofEverything4U see my Magick worked on u too, thanks night sisters of Darthomir 😆😆,I got selected 😎
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That aint Jedi plo koon ,cuz plokoon has blue saber this dude has green one, could be bros or this plokoon jedi with high republic can be father of plokoon.
Agreed...not Plokoon this time around!
Oh man, this is MY SHOW! I always knew the High Republic was such a cool era, I just didn’t know it was the COOLEST! That Sith is CRAZY STRONG. I really hope it’s not Qimir… Also I need to see more of that Jedi Wookie! I’m so mad he’s dead already mannnnn
Yeah, the High Republic era is awesome...so glad we're getting a deep dive into what it was like during that period. And yeah, we need more Kelnacca. Hopefully the next flashback episode will showcase him alot. Totally agree that I hope the Sith isn't Qimir. He definitely knows the Sith, but I think he needs to just be a helper. And that Sith rocks. DANG! What an entrance!
@@AbitofEverything4U for real!! My girlfriend geeked out, that’s how you know they did something great here.
Thanks for an awesome breakdown!
Niiiice! Glad she liked it!
The master is 3 droids in a trench coat
Okay, you can't leave me hanging...which 3 droids...i gotta know!
@@AbitofEverything4U 2 of those little toaster looking droids and an r2 unit 🙃
Dang it, I knew I couldn't trust those toaster looking droids!
@@AbitofEverything4U i was totally right, 3 droids in a trench coat
I mean, you are right that Pip was sorta in there...
We should be happy we get to see kia mindi. Screw canon if u ask me, this is all fantasy anyway
Yeah, I thought it was real cool to see Mundi appear and I don't really consider that CD-ROM to be canon, per se. It was extra material provided as a marketing tool and shouldn't be considered binding canon.
Did you use subtitles only cause of this video ? I guess so because they are distraction on a content where spoken language is english 🙂 I'll restream S01E04 late this evening via D+ 🙂 Many good points you brought up here. Big yes indeed for the part where Younglings used Lightsabers in training room 🤭 Better way introduced in The Acolyte S01E04 🙂 I like Prequel Trilogy so that won't ruin it. I also like The Acolyte so far & dislike Sequel Trilogy ✅ I dislike Kenobi (had big expectations) & mostly like rest of the Star Wars Telly shows that have come so far. 👌
Great question about the subtitles. So I like to watch it the first time without subtitles because as you point out, they can be distracting. But then I watch it again with subtitles to see if I catch anything new in the dialogue that I missed the first time. And it's great to hear you are liking the Acolyte so far. Me, too. I really like the multi-layered mystery. Been great so far. Thanks so much for watching the video and sharing your feedback. I really appreciate it!
Jecki is too competent. I think Mother Koril made two Jecki's. One is a Jedi and the other a Sith. (It will somehow be a third Osha/Mae, tho)
They are trying to make the person seem much taller, that was her mom.
Yeah, there seems to be alot of contrasting duality being hinted at in the series, due to the yin / yang symbology. Good theory!
Ok I was totally wrong...
It was still a cool theory none-the-less!
There's no way they make the sith ki adi mudni, right? 😂
lol! Now that would be epic. Dude is totally playing the long game all the way into The Phantom Menace. Never should have trusted someone with that big of a cranium!
It’s because the Sith have not returned. It’s a witch with a lightsaber. Momma is back. Look at the height of Kylo Grin next to Osha. He’s taller.
Yeah, I really suspect it's one of the two mothers. Are you thinking Aniseya?
@@AbitofEverything4U there is a quick cut I saw of a black person’s hand holding a red lightsaber. They are wearing a black sleeve and no glove. It makes me think it could be. Then again, it could be a clip we’ve not seen of Osha/Mae. The Zabrac makes sense, but like her sidekick, seems too obvious. What I did notice, in the long shot earlier this season of Kylo Grin, the shoulder structure looks feminine.
Great detective skills! Yeah, Aniseya sure seem like a good suspect. Seeing her laying there seemingly dead in Episode 3 was suspicious, since she very well might not have died.
15:43 Can't you see how that in of itself is just cynical, it's these people, Disney basically just choosing what they want to take from "Legends" and make their CANON. I mean it's like James Gunn, choosing to decanonize everything he doesn't want from the DCU, except only HIS stuff, like "Peacekeeper". Did they really need to use Ki Adi-Mundi here!? Why couldn't they have simply used Yaddle?? She's already a fairly mysterious character.
the fact Lucasfilm and Leslie Headland's story group specifically chose to bring Ki Adi-Mundi in this show knowing full well what he says in Ep1, really kind of shows us these people running the *Star Wars* franchise today are actively trying to do the opposite to what us fans like, they're trying to spite us, and throw things in our face; like almost dictating to us exactly what they deem *Canon*.
Way to pi** off Fans and alienate them. Meanwhile look at the writers at Amazon who worked on the recent "Fallout" live-action series. Just look at how much they cared about that lore from the games, and the attention and detail they put in to bring that world alive and feel exactly like the Fallout games. See the positive reaction and huge praise that show got from fans and the audience in general?
It's not hard, stop messing around with the lore, and changing, twisting it into whatever you want it to be!? Hey guess what!? Leslie Headland, Pablo Hidalgo, Justina Ireland, Krystina Arrielle, KATHLEEN KENNEDY! these people running starwars right now won't be here forever; eventually they will ALL leave, one by one and move onto other things. But guess who will still be here, supporting the *Star Wars* Franchises that's right -
US FANS!!!
Very good commentary on the canon situation. I definitely hear what you are saying and I understand your concerns. But I do think the frustration fans are having can really be aimed first at Lucasfilm for creating the tiered canon hierarchy in the early 2000's. I had forgotten about this, but here is a nice summary of how Lucasfilm handled things years prior to the sale of the IP over to Disney:
In January 2000, Lucasfilm hired Leland Chee to create an internal database for Lucas Licensing's Publishing department, called the "Holocron." The database replaced the "bibles"[14] tracking and organizing all the fictional elements created for the Star Wars universe, making up a hierarchical system listing different levels of canon. The database had a canon field for each individual entry and for sources. "G" canon referred to George Lucas' canon, initially made up only of the six Star Wars movies and unpublished internal notes from him or the movie production department. "C" canon, referring to continuity, consisted all licensed properties, thus including most of the Expanded Universe, whereas "S" canon, with the "S" standing for "secondary," encompassed works that were created before Lucasfilm strived to maintain an internal consistency within the Expanded Universe. "N" canon meant "non-continuity", used only in the case of blatant contradiction.
So it was really Lucas himself that set the stage for de-canonizing prior materials and opening the door for retconning things they didn't like. Personally, I don't have big issue with Mundi's age being retconned as that was never mentioned in a movie and was only in some promotional material that even Lucas didn't seem to consider canon.
On the other hand, I am expecting that the series finds a way to address why the Jedi were unaware of the return of the Sith. I feel that nothing up to this point, including Mundi being present, has created any issues for the scene in Phantom Menace. The Jedi all assume that it was a rogue Jedi that trained Mae, not a Sith. However, I will be closely watching to see how they handle the remaining 4 episodes and if they do end up creating canon issues with TPM's scene, then I'll be very upset for sure.
Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your feedback on the canon situation. I truly do appreciate it!
@@AbitofEverything4U I do agree, I mean even though George was trying hard to accommodate many fans of the overall "EU Lore", he did only end up making it all more kinda convoluted and confusing in the long run; However, Disney have done themselves no favors because when they made ALL EU stuff "Legends" and promised their *Canon* would be 100% Consistent throughout, they havn't even been able to stick to what they said they would do.
Look at their Ahsoka novel compared to Ahsoka's story overall now. Or issues of young Kanan during the Clone wars and his master, Filoni retconned somethings there for his Bad Batch show. Cobb Vanth and how he acquires Fett's armor in the Aftermath novels; changed up slightly in the Mandalorian series.
these are just a few examples of the inconsistency within "Disney Starwars" own Canon. And they're setting themselves up for some much bigger questions Filoni and the Lucasfilm story group are one day going to have to answer further down the line concerning the sequel trilogy.
Look at the recent novel "Shadow of the Sith" and the Darth Vader Comic issue: prt VI where Vader goes to Exegol. their story group don't even bother to explain that whole thing of Luke & Lando on a quest trying to find the Sith Eternal on Exegol, Luke needing a wayfinder and how Anakin never even appears to help guide him - "Luke my son, you must go to the Mustafar System. there you will find a wayfinder sitting on a plinth outside in the garden of my old castle back when I was Vader."
And Filoni seems to spend alot of focus on Ani and "snips" even in his Ahsoka show, yet how is he going to handle whether Anakin actually helps his own son, during his low moment of weakness, regards his own student Ben Solo, when he was weak and strolled into Ben's hut carrying his green lightsaber to peer into Ben's mind while he was asleep!?
It's issues like this why I don't even take the "Disney starwars canon" serioriously. Give me the *Expanded Universe* any day; I don't even refer to it as "Legends".
@@RaikenXion Yep, great points. I am surprised by how many things Filoni has changed. The Ahsoka novel retcon was really surprising as he said that Tales of the Jedi didn't change anything in it, but clearly it did. My bigger point was just that Lucasfilm started the ball rolling in the "let's set stuff aside that we don't like" train even when Lucas himself was in change and unfortunately Lucasfilm under Disney has then taken it even further. I don't like it but I've come to accept it is inevitable to some extent. I will say, however, that if they don't address things in the Acolyte so that the Phantom Menace Mundi line still makes sense, then I will be very annoyed. But changing Mundi's age from something that was never canonized outside of the CD-ROM material doesn't bother me as much.
@AbitofEverything4U It bothers me because I see it as those specifically chose Mundi cause he's the one who says that line in TPM. They know they could have easily had any other long lived Jedi character like Yaddle or Yarrell Poof yet they didn't. At this point I'm just seeing most things Lucasfilm/Disney do is to spite us fans.
Also I'm beginning to believe that Pablo Hidalgo and the story group secretly despite us fans, especially the ones who have serious extensive knowledge of the lore, and know most every detail or event. Pablo definite does because on the past he was always snarly to fans, and has a ego where he really sees himself as this "Lore Master" lol. This is why he and the others keep doing what they do.
Like I said the Fallout show writers even Peter Jackson's people respected the lore. But today most these Modern Writers have no respect for Source Material; they seek to delete the past, and force their modern crap down everyone's throats.
The only Disney starwars I consider Canon is Seasons 1 & 2 of the Mandalorian and Rogue One that's it.
Yeah, those are very valid points. I definitely understand your concerns. I guess I just don’t let the smaller things bother me such as contradicting the age of the character when it was only provided in marketing material. But I agree, if they start contradicting any of the movies or TV shows I will be very, very upset.
Also I do not recommend watching this when you’re high bc if you’re like me it just makes me overanalyze everything even more and it makes it much worse😂
Too funny! Yeah, overanalyzing seems to be our the forte for us Star Wars fans. But it's so much fun to do!
Hope Disney doesn't make season 2
I'll have to see how the season progresses from here. If they find a way to keep me wanting more after the last episode, then I'm down for a season 2. But if it wraps up nicely, then just one season is preferred.
They really are just gonna get more messy as they go. They have already made Force Babies, which Anakin was supposed to be the only one, these sith are making quite the splash for being "gone for centuries" by the movie times.
They ruined most of the mystery pretty fast. They are also being pretty heavy handed with the "inclusion" in some ways.
They also make mistakes about how old Mundi is
@@Dan55888 Yep, those are very valid concerns. I'm hopeful they pull it all together by the final episode, but we'll have to wait and see!
The Season of Maaaany!
@@conscientiousobjector5988 Ooof...even though I really do like the series alot, that song was cringy, imo.
Theres a picture i have of qimir wearing the sith robes he probably loses his helmet as seen in the trailer
Yeah, Qimir is looking pretty sus right now!
Qimir is The Apprentice in the mask. Sol is the Sith Master.
Rewatch episode 3, when Mae is falling, Sol puts out his hand, pushing Mae clear. That's why she survived.
Sol was at the massacre
Sol took Osha as his Jedi Apprentice
Who is Mae supposed to kill? The witnesses to the massacre.
It was clear from the holo that Mae was "trained by a Jedi"
Bonus Theory:
The Witches created life from the force... now, which Sith Lord would want to learn this Power? Clearly, someone 'Wise' 😉
Sol = Plagueis
Wow...like, wow! Love that bold theory. Sol ending up being Plagueis would be a bonkers reveal. That would absolutely break the internet. Thanks for sharing your theories. Really appreciate it!
There's a mystery?
Great question! So I keep a running list of the open questions/mysteries and the end of each breakdown and as of episode 4, the following items are yet to be resolved:
- Who is the Sith Master?
- What is the deal Mae made with the Sith Master?
- Why is killing a Jedi without a weapon so important?
- Why did Mae start the fire?
- What role did the four Jedi have in the fire and the death of the Coven?
- Did any of the Coven actually survive (Mother Koril, Mother Aniseya)?
- Who saved Mae from her fall?
- Why did Sol try to hide Mae’s existence?
- Why did Torbin know Mae was alive?
- What role do Qimir and Vernestra play?
- How were Mae and Osha created?
- Why do the Jedi not know about the Sith in 32 BBY (Phantom Menace)?
Really interested to see where things go from here!
Yord sounding like a Chad Cop 😂
Yord is definitely the character I'm the least into. But ig he's serving the purpose of being the straight-laced no-nonsense Jedi, so in that regard he's doing a good job in the role. But it was nice when he had a moment with Osha of showing he can be caring and has a heart under his otherwise very stoic personality.
@@AbitofEverything4U Yes and his talks with Jecki are also good 🙂 *May his Robe steaming always be a success & do it for others if asked* 🙂I'll restream S01E04 late this evening & as always in a dark room with 5.1 wireless headphones 😋
@@Fedaygin True...he's had some good talks with Jecki as well. Maybe he'll start to grow on me.
Duh use the force 😂
Right...I do think part of the answer is using the force. But I also think that part of the answer is killing a Jedi means to kill what they stand for and to turn the general public against them. So Mae is struggling with exactly how to do that, it seems.
It's the mother 🤦♂️
Yep, I'm leaning that way as well. Are you thinking Aniseya?
I think the sith is female, tall, thin, with a shaved head and a skin tone that wouldn't look out of place on a Scottish ogre. I hope I am wrong.
lol! Hoping you are wrong as well, but hey, it would be a shocking reveal for sure!
Oh. My bad. Nah, it ain't her.
@@conscientiousobjector5988 No problem!
Mae could kill the Jedi without a weapon this time by going on a strike which made the master to kill the hairy Jedi for her lol
Lol. There's no mystery here,not really. I'm not even watching the show, and know smilo Ren is 1 of 3 characters.
What's your guess on which of the 3 characters it is? And the bigger question is who killed the witches and why. I'm hoping the next episode answers that for us.
It must be hard pretending like this isn’t the most heavy handed, poorly written dialogue ever written.
Yeah, the biggest drawback to the series is that the writing is pretty bland and uninspired at times. That said, the Jedi themselves are meant to be pretty stoic. I remember I didn't really get into Obi Wan or Qui-Gon Jinn until well into Phantom Menace's runtime due to them being so reserved. So perhaps things will start to intensify now that the Sith has arrived!
@@AbitofEverything4U how can you stand it? There’s a vast difference between stoic and stale - these Jedi are depicted as dull dunces, with plodding writing. Compare to Prequels Jedi. It always seemed there was something internal going on - a confidence. Here even the best of them (Sol) just breaks down every episode - definitely not good writing.
@@elck3 I guess I've just come to expect the Jedi to be very subdued. So it doesn't bother me. But I totally respect if it's something that you aren't liking. I've heard from others that feel the same as you do, so it's a very fair take on the show.
If she randomly does a 180 and turns,
Now professing she’ll turn herself in, what is the point of tying him up? Why does she trap him?? Can’t she just leave the quest? It seems so completely immoral. She’s a horribly written character, imo. Everything Mae did leading up to that moment was completely inconsistent with what she does. She is also unnecessarily cruel to him. So so weird this show.
Good questions. So her 180 turn started the moment she saw Osha was alive at the end of episode 2. I think Mae had made the deal with her Master because it allowed Mae to get revenge on the Jedi she believed killed her sister. Thus, with her sister alive, she had no reason to keep her deal.
As for Qimir, I suspect she was worried he would try to stop her, which he did certainly attempt to do. So Mae had no choice but to tie him up. But I suspect Mae knew that either Qimir could get out on his own, or after she turned herself in, she would have returned to Qimir to have him taken in by the Jedi. That's how I understood it at least. Anyway, thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your feedback on it. I really appreciate it!
It would be sad if Venestra turns to the sith. It would undermine the work of the person who created her as a strong female jedi
Good point...yeah, Vernestra seems like too obvious of a choice. I do think she's got some ulterior motives that we don't know about yet, but being the Sith seems abit of a stretch.
The fact that you could come up with so much to say despite all that horrible writing/dialogue is impressive. You were almost more descriptive than the actual show. I just hate how this could be a cool series but the plot, writing, everything really is just so bad, it’s almost like a Hallmark Star Wars show
Yeah, the biggest drawback to the series is that the writing is pretty bland and uninspired. That said, the Jedi themselves are meant to be pretty stoic. I remember I didn't really get into Obi Wan or Qui-Gon Jinn until well into Phantom Menace's runtime due to them being so reserved. So perhaps things will start to intensify now that the Sith has arrived!
This show is actually dookie
Bummer...sorry it's not your thing. I totally respect that not everyone is into the show. Personally I'm really enjoying it, but everyone approaches each Star Wars entry differently. Anyway, thanks for watching the vid and sharing your feedback. Really appreciate it!
It can't be plo koon because this useless character will die
Great point...yeah, I do wonder if most of the Jedi in the series will end up dying.
This show is GARBAGE. None of it matters. These “theories” are a waste of time.
Yeah, the show’s not for everyone, so I can understand if it’s not working for you. I’m really enjoying it, however. The multi-layered mystery really fascinates me. Anyway, thanks for watching the video and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!