Ichiruki VS Ichihime (manga edition)
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This video took forever and I'm glad to be rid of it.
I normally don't involve myself in ship drama but the BLEACH ships directly interfered with the series' finale and overall plotline and I couldn't let it slide. But this video is pairing-centric. There were plenty of bad plot holes in the series that had nothing to do with the pairings that I'll go over in the future sometime too, but lordy help me I need a break from BLEACH. I'm excited to move on to other things for the next month!
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I think the fullbring arc is necesarry to give ichigo sister and human friends some screen time
2 things.
1) The ending to the 1000 Year Blood War Arc was rushed except for most of the individual outcomes. Kubo already had most of those planned. It was rushed due to 2 factors. 1st Being Kubo's deteriorating health condition, and 2nd being Jump rushing to finish Bleach because of it's steady/overall decline.
2) You do know that Kaien is technically Ichigo's uncle. In the Blood War Arc flashback it is revealed that Isshin's sir name is Shiba, and that he and Kaien were cousins. He dropped the Shiba name when he married Misaki. So Ichigo is technically a Shiba and Kaien is his uncle.
Just 2 things I wanted to point out. And while I am an IchiRuki shipper I never compared any of them to other characters and only care about their relationship/interactions.
@@Kingmegadon This girl should know that Renji never tried to kill Rukia, why would Renji be mad that Rukia was going to be executed if he wanted to kill her? That makes no freaking sense!
@@christianwarner8779 I never mentioned anything about Renji being mad or trying to kill Rukia. I just mentioned that yes 1000 year blood war was rushed and that Ichigo is related to Kaien Shiba. I never mention Renji anywhere.
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Rukia will always be my fav, not for the shipping but because her personality was so different from a lot of main girls in shonen and honestly? it still is. Ichigo and her both treat each other like close friends without any weird romantic tension. Like u never see a male protagonist who is generally best friends with a girl unless it becomes romantic. Would they have been a good couple? Probably. But they also make S rank BROTP.
Jessica and that is why I respect bleach and tite kubo for creating a good solid friendship without selling out
It's crazy to me how most of the things that come out of her mouth are non-cliches. Immediate fave.
@@ir.potato8007 false and as a rukia fan i can say but you? Lol
Totally agree! It's so rare for earlier anime/manga series to have male and female main characters banter like actual friends.
I do ship ichiruki for the exact same reason. Main girls In anime just don't give me the feeling to ship them that is why I always go for the other shipping
13 year old me shipped Rukia and Ichigo so haaard, I remember being extremelly surprised when I found out that they never ended up together in the end.
Im 17 years old and still shipping
Ichiruki is way better
@SPACE EYE rukia is over 100 years old but looks like a teen
@SPACE EYE thats a good thing
@@nemezzz1160 no
The true pairing is Renji X Don't try so hard. Closely followed by Chad X Lack of screentime.
Aizen x Chair?
The true pair is Yoruichi x Urahara.
@Beatriz da Costa Only if Hitsugaya was older 😔
Chad X Hospital Bed
@ᴀꜱᴜᴋᴀ ᴀꜱᴜᴋᴀ Yoruichi and soi fong is good too tbh
Setting aside the shipping war itself. This flat out just makes me love Rukia more period.
This is so recent I'm surprised lmao. but same.
And orihime
I preferred Ichiruki but if I had a say in this, Ichigo wouldn't have gotten with either of them. Instead, I'd give Tatsuki more time to shine and have her be the one Ichigo ends up with.
Dude I wouldn't have been mad either
MFW Tatsuki and Orihime would be cute together...
I remember when i liked ichihime when i was 14, but know i'm fully ichiruki and ishihime because they complement eachother better that way. It's like ishida notice Orihime more and is more aware of her feelings, and Orihime care for him too, but we know that she just see him as a friend. With ichigo i felt that he didn't liked Orihime the same way he did Rukia, but my main reason to think he is in love with Rukia is mostly because he seems really depress when she's not around, and because she is the one that gets him going; with Rukia is the same, but i thjnk she doesn't want to act on her feelings because ichigo is human and he should get with a human girl.
Wow you were smart then become dumb would youlook at that
I always thought Nemu and Ishida could’ve been cute tbh
The dedication here is impressive as hell - and the data is appreciated.
yeah specially when everything she said is wrong
@@carloskingdomh Que onda contigo, parece que estás obsesionado. Ahí está la realidad, de cualquier forma Kubo escribe muy mal sus historias (incluyendo esto los arreglos que esta haciendo en el anime).
JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA cuentame otro chiste ese estuvo bueno@@ftk2589
I'm sorry but the fact that twice in the series Rukia gives Ichigo his soul reaper powers and both times they were powerful moments. Rukia is the first character you see in the series it seemed like she was always going to be in Ichigo's life.
And she is but not in love. Mature a little
@@lolsnez7542 Says the person who has their musty clown shoes squeaking all over this comment section.
@@comphethime4966 irony
@@lolsnez7542 Cry about it. 😢🤧🥺
So? That doesn't mean romance.
If I had a relationship with a girl that was anywhere near to being as complementary and meaningful as Ichigo's relationship to Rukia's, you best believe I would marry her in a heartbeat.
.........so someone you're not usually around?
you mean the one he had with orihime as well?
You don't fuck your best friend, mate. That's a recipe for disaster.
@@carloskingdomh you mean the non existent one that was forced so hard towards the end unlike Rukia's lol
@@monkeyeknom527damn can't imagine being wrong so confidently
The issue is simple:
A. It's not believable that orihime and renji would like ichigo and rukia based on their words and actions, but ichigo and rukia wouldn't consider each other more than friends
B. Even if they don't end up together, ichigo and rukia's relationship is the one we as the reader are supposed to care about the most. Ending the last panel with them two, and then having their kids meet like how they met for the first time, and also slapping them on the final cover to cap off the series shows this. But it's awful, especially since they only spoke once in the final arc. All investment, no payoff.
You dont need to lie that much
@@terrarionaqu5262 No lies in my comment
@@Daholyone11 a little
@@terrarionaqu5262 Nah, none.
@@Daholyone11 yeah a lot
This became a problem because Kubo didn't put any real focus on romance except Orihime's obvious feelings for Ichigo. It's the same problem Mashima Hiro is having in Fairy Tail, trying to pair Natsu and Lucy together. Natsu never showed any interest in romance during the first series. Other characters were perfectly paired up because their relationships developed over time, and they showed interest in romance in general. Not Natsu though, so getting that pairing together is proving a difficult task.
I 100% agree with you.
Eh
@@PeytonWalsh well
Mate
U do realise the manga u mentioned doesn't involve romance right. Yet many people such as yourselves demand romance screentime which isnt the show is about.
You can actually watch a romance show and ship the characters yet you people choose shows like bleach and complain there isn't enough romance and literally lecture the author how to write romance. Learn to differentiate between what is a romance show and what is not.
Natsu and Lucy had more chemistry than Orihime and Ichigo. The little details of their relation was enough for them to develop. Not to mention they both fought for each other and were each other's strength
Am i really going to sit down for two and a half hour going over all the shipping interactions in this manga?
Well shit... i don't really have anything better to do... Also, i actually liked Tatsuki more than Orihime xD
Yeah.... IchiRuki always made more sense to me, they have the chemistry the playfulness and all the sweet spices
Same. I'm not objecting to IchiHime, though. It's cool.
For me Ichime made more sense
Like siblings lol
@@PIMPLEJUNKEATER one sided romantic vs mutual but not romantic feels. Choose one
@@william90tz45 one sided
A two hour ship war eh? I better grab some snacks
It's been 9 years and this war is still going?!!Hell yeah I just watched bleach recently and I love to join this war.
I'm grabbing some snack too. But I'm just gonna watch from distance. Because I don't ship either IchiRuki or Ichihime. I have different ships about who Ichigo end up with🍷
The best war is actually in the comment 😎
Really great points!! Thanks for the thorough video
I'm convinced something happened to kubo and his relationship with his manga that made him unmotivated with the ending
thats false
Actually No, Kubo stated he ended the manga how he wanted to, the only things kubo couldn't put in was just fleshing out some characters, concepts and plotlines which was due to his health problems and so he made a deal with the author of cant fear your own world a year before the end of the manga just to put his ideas he didn't have enough time to put in the original run of the manga to be put in the light novels
@@thelurker552 nah
Other Fans: "ICHIHIME!" ; "NO, ICHIRUKI!"
Me: **Michael Jackson eating popcorn meme**
🤣🤣 I'm dead
I litterally pictured that
@@RedXDRevenge shhhh
I honestly ship both ,bc both are cute 😄❤
I think people were angry because not that ichihime was canon, but kubo literally straightbaited ichiruki. At the end kubo did say that orihime was the heroine of bleach which confused me and a lot of fans. Like there is so much memorable and cover pages between ichigo and rukia. So it feels like a lot od people felt duped.
I doubt you can say that if you read the manga by heart. It's not that hard to see how Kubo had already set Ichigo and Orihime from the beginning. The fact that he said he didn't intend for it to be a romance but still he wrote Orihime that way just shows he planned it all since the beginning (you can even see a hint of this in the pilot chapter).
The ones who got baited are the "anime-only" viewers, and that's due to the anime studio banking on the 'popular ship,' prompting them to invent Ichiruki scenes for fan service.
@@Azrielle7 Someone who understood finally. He had set it up so early it legit surprises me how anyone thought of Ichiruki. The anime really bamboozled people
kubo never ever baited anything thats on the anime on you people believing there was love where it wasnt
@@Azrielle7 @Yuuki Cross I have read the manga by heart and I don't see any IH from the beginning. It was all from Inoue's side and nothing romantic from Ichigo. Just because Inoue was like Hinata from Naruto who loves the hero from the start so we need to see that IH will canon? No and no.
Yes IR was nothing romantic too but we see that there was much more better and deeper connection between Ichigo and Rukia. IHs keeps saying people ship IR so much because the studio adds many IR filler scenes, but plz, there are tons of IRs don't watch anime at all (like me). If you all say that Kubo planned IH from the beginning and never thought once about IR, then wtf was that all "sun and moon, king and queen, heart and spade, dried the rain away, keep up with the world" thing? He implied Ichigo as K card and Rukia as Q card, and what is the relationship between king and queen? Friend only then? And the person who changed your life, who dried your sorrow away, who can raise you up so easily with a few words while your future wife couldn't? How do you call that person again? Friend? Pure, platonic friendship right? Yeah, absolutely agreed.
That's the reason why we hate Kubo for the ending. I can accept IH and RR. I can even except that suddenly Inoue got so much screentime in the last arc and Rukia's was cut so Inoue got to be the heroine of the series and stand besides Sakura, Nami on Jump cover. And plz don't say Kubo didn't. Urahara, one of the masterminds, said "I leave it to you, Kurosaki, Kuchiki", and the Kuchiki here is definitely not Byakuya. Yet who the fck stand alongside Ichigo near and in the end? Inoue, Aizen and Renji. That is a fcking troll from Kubo. But it's alright. Rukia is the main character besides Ichigo anyway, so doesn't matter if Inoue is the heroine. But still, I hate him for drawing so.
I don't see any hint between Ichigo and Inoue that can be considered seriously, but I respect if IHs see that way. That's fine, but IHs plz stop saying those "if you read the manga then you will see IH" and "IRs got baited by studio". Those sucks and sound insulting to us like we IRs don't read manga at all. We did read and we just don't see IH, ok?
Anyway, still now in 2021 IR has the biggest shipdom in Bleach and still the most popular. Cheers up IRs 🎉🎉
@@Azrielle7 I read the manga, and the only way people would guess ichihime is because it's shounen manga and Orihime was the only person in it to explicitly state they liked the main character . Other than that, if someone thought ichihime was always going to be canon because they read the manga, I'll doubt they read it correctly themselves. Btw, no hate if ship ichihime but there's no development for it. It's literally a one-sided relationship. I would be a bit tipped-off if I was a fan of the ship.
Actually kaien is ichigo's relative, ichigo's dad is from the same Shiba clan as kaien. Which would make ichigo and kaien like distant cousins or something.
She saying that Kaien isn't related to Rukia, not that Kaien isn't related to Ichigo. It's because some people say that Ichgio may like Orihime because she looks similar to his mom. The equivalent for Rukia would be if Kaien was her dead dad and she liked Ichigo because Ichigo looks like her dad. But Rukia isn't related to Kaien, guys like Kaien (ie Ichigo) is just Rukia's type.
@@tripkings547 is good that ichigo was with orihime then
@@charliealba7931 ???
@@tripkings547 what happened?
@@charliealba7931 why did you response with "is good that ichigo was with orihime then"?
Ichihime might've had more screen time, but each interaction between Ichigo and Rukia was so much more impactful. IchiRuki will always be my favorite.
I really liked the friendship and banter between Ichigo and Rukia, and I would've been fine if they just stayed friends at the end of the manga. What really made me annoyed was, like you said, Kubo forcing IchiHime for the sake of having children for the next generation.
so was with ichigo and orihime the case
Reading manga will definitely help to understand the characters more.
Rukia screen time or story progression kinda stopped after SS arc. She came back in the mid arrancar arc and did help ichigo however the focus clearly shifted compared to her role in SS arc.
She barely have conversation with the MC in HM arc and fake karakura town. Appears only towards the end in the xcution arc and shared a handful of screen time only in TYBW arc.
So basically all the chemistry dynamics you guys mentioned occurs only in the pre soul society arc and some parts of arrancar arc.
And please don't use filler arcs to validate your argument.
Compared to that orihime had more development throughout the series. Hence her pairing made more sense than rukia.
This is you reply on a video that goes through the manga and proves that overall, IchiRuki have more romantic interactions throughout the serie?
@@pradeepram6741 one sided romance, or Ichigo "my name means protector" Kurosaki being PROTECTIVE over the weakest, most innocent, and most naive of his friends just doesn't count. Especially since he promised her dead brother to protect her in his place, but that doesn't mean he has to marry her too do it.
This video has definitely shed some light on why Ichihime became a thing, that being said, it also makes me understand why fans are upset about IchiRuki and/or Ishihime not being Endgame 😬
Let’s be honest
Tite Kubo is a great illustrator and can have great moments in writing,
But he’s an illustrator first and a writer second
Plus editors put tons of constraints on him, as well as the manga industry in general
No matter who wins the ship war, it’s a rather hollow victory
“Q: Speaking of Ichigo's relationships with his friends, there seems to be a love triangle between Ichigo, Rukia, and Orihime. Do you delve more into this in later volumes?
Tite Kubo: (laughs) I get asked about that a lot! I don't want to make Bleach into a love story because there are much more exciting things about their personalities and things that they can do instead of getting into the romance aspect of their relationships.”
To be fair I don't blame it all on him as he had deadlines. And the anime kept catching up with the manga. I kinda wonder how Bleach would be if it got the same year long hiatus that shows like MHA get nowadays.
@@alphawolf7417 yeah, the industry is brutal
But in the end, it would have been better on the manga and the workload if he was partnered with a writer
Oh what could have been
@@shiawasekappukekiful hell we see some of the stuff he's made nowadays on Brave Souls. Imagine those new Espada 2nd Release forms. Or the new 6th anniversary Aizen in the anime. Seeing that new Aizen vs Mugetsu Ichigo would've been a feast for the eyes.
Hah! My inner King Kai laughed at what you said at the end. "Hollow" victory LOL!
@@alphawolf7417 Bro, MHA's author unfortunately may be suffering the same issues Kubo went through.
In and interview with Kubo,
Q: Speaking of Ichigo's relationships with his friends, there seems to be a love triangle between Ichigo, Rukia, and Orihime. Do you delve more into this in later volumes?
Tite Kubo: (laughs) I get asked about that a lot! I don't want to make Bleach into a love story because there are much more exciting things about their personalities and things that they can do instead of getting into the romance aspect of their relationships.
The shippers care more than the creator himself. Let that sink in for both sides. The plight is futile and hollow.
As much as I had some gripes with Bleach and its story, it will never compare to the ship wars that Naruto had- oof.
That one would be a field trip
I say bleach ship war is way worse Naruto pairings at least make more sences
What happened in Naruto war)
@@foxblack3632 In what way? Naruto and Hinata barely interacted through the whole series. If anything, the only ship that made any sense in Naruto was NaruSasu, considering that all Naruto can think about through the whole shippudden was Sasuke.
Nah, I've been a bleach and a naruto fan. Bleach's ichiruki fan ship is way worse thn any other fanship naruto fans wanted. So many people just cry about ichiruki so much.
7:21 idk the fact that she wanted to be the ‘RAIN’ to Ichigo but all Ichigo and Zangetsu wanted was the rain to go away and Rukia did that for Ichigo .. it’s so telling
Rain is metaphorical for ichigo's sadness, his world is flooded when he feels betrayed by zangetsu or when he trains in the dangai he feels lost and has no idea how he could possibly stop Aizen after barely beating ulquirro (technically losing). But for orihime her rain is just saying she wants to be closer to others, makes sense knowing she lives by herself and only has her friends.
Ask yourself is the poem seriously trying to imply that orihime wants to give ichigo depression? Why would Kubo write that???
It was like IchiRuki is too popular and then the writer change it mid way
It was never popular and was never changed kid
@@lolsnez7542 It was literally the most popular ship when Bleach was on the air.
It really wasn't changed though. The manga even shows lots of Ichihime scenes. There's a reason Kubo disliked the anime.
As a die hard Ichiruki fan since I was a middle schooler, I would’ve accepted the ending if Tite Kubo wrote how the romance even blossomed between Ichihime. Even a freaking one chapter doing a quick recap of what happened the past couple of years would’ve been nice!
With Ichiruki we at least get the emotional connection from the good to the bad while Ichihime is more like “ohh you are strong women…I respect/notice you now” (despite knowing each other since childhood 🙃)
Really love your detailed input on this and while I admit defeat for my OTP, I just hope to god that Tite Kubo redeems himself in the writing so I can see how Ichihime works.
ichihime already worked in the manga and everyhting you said about ichigo and rukias relationships involves ichigo and orihime as well
ichiruki was more of a sibling relationship the way they fight all the time that a sibling thing. you see he never fights with Orihime and is always gentle with her more of a romantic thing if you ask me lol.
@@sapphiremoonstone1066 I didn't get that from the Manga at all. I only seen unrequited love 😫
@@nunya2662 well they never really said that rukia or ichigo had feelings for each other either. I mean at least this way we know one was in love with the other x.x I mean we also knew renji loved rukia too
read the bleach novel "we do knot always love you", it details a lot how it happens.
Tatsuki and Ichigo have more chemistry ( even with their limited screen time) than orihime and Ichigo.
👍💙👍💙👍💙👍💙
Nice lie kid
Rukia being turned into a side character in Thousand Year Blood War was so damn foul bro. Regardless of her relationship with Ichigo, treating your femc the way Kubo treated Rukia towards the end is an actual disservice. Especially when he tried to replace her role with many different characters in the final arc. Funnily enough despite all of that, Rukia still has better writing in her pinky finger than the entirity of Chad and Orihime combined and her relationship with Ichigo will always be a million times more meaningful than his forced romance with Orihime.
Uhhhh didn't Rukia always get her ass kicked or imprisoned until the final arc? Plus her relationship with Ichigo basically died after Soul Society Arc so yeah not really that much of a character.
@@alphawolf7417 theres no fucking way youre real
Rukia was never made a side character liar and ichigo and orihimes relationshio with ichigo is much better and isnt forced at all liar
@@alphawolf7417 You know at least Rukia had the decency to tell Ichigo that she doesn't want his protection and that she could take care of herself. Criticizing Rukia for being subjected to the same misogynistic cliché as Inoue is such a pathetic way to defend your ship. Women important to Ichigo are expected to be in constant danger only to be saved again and again. But It's one thing to cry on the ground begging the boy's unconscious body to save you and quite another to literally fight to the death and be saved by the boy, right?
At the end of the day, even if you like Inoue, you can't deny that her entire character revolves around Ichigo. Rukia's romantic interest is almost irrelevant to her development and it is her relationship with Ichigo and humans that makes her grow as a character🤷♀️
@@esme3561 where did I criticize Rukia for not being like Orihime? I criticized her for being just as/ if not more useless then her. As well as her relationship with Ichigo never developing due to a lack of the 2 being around each other. If you're gonna spout a complaint, the least you can do is make sure you're complaint is even related.
Holy shit this goes on for 2 hours, now that's some dedication
For some bs video? Yes sure is
@@lolsnez7542have you even watched it or are you just here to hate? Of you can't handle differing opinions then I ask you kindly to leave 😂
Rukia was underused in the last arc. All they did was use her for promos but we barely saw her in the canon content itself. I'm conflicted because at least Kubo didn't humiliate her like he did to Orihime and Yoruichi ( their controls over own bodies - orihime's attire, yoruichi's consciousness - were taken over by Urahara and were put in embarrassing situations I found no humor in). Silver lining?
thanks for proving you ahvent watched the last arc at all
One thing that piss me of about ichihime is pointed in minute 7:23. She wrote a poem about rain that connecting her heart with ichigo.
And ichigo's opinion about rain...
... Even Zangetsu hates rain
troll that is a different kind of rain you cant be this pathetic
@@julianmaers6535 it's kinda pathetic right how a person could fall in love without knowing true nature of other?
You might say no
@@anika1271 to good ichigo fell in love with orihime
Oddly enough, that poem works more for Ulquihime, as she was the one to first get Ulquiorra to feel anything.
Everyone keep telling me how ichihime story ended
But me:Nah I'm gonna do my own thing🗣️
Ichiruki>>>>>>
Ichihime is better kid
@@lolsnez7542
I'm gonna do my own thing 🗣️
no@@animespace1135
Some moments feel like bias(worse part was in final arc when you were subtracting ichihime points due to bad writing-not actual relationship; and orihimes weakness-not actual relationship; which is fair but felt...idk unjust?) is showing but overall you brought up many good points(in the final closing thoughts especially), overall enjoyable video and sience i crackship more often than ship(especially in bleach) i had no stakes here so it was interesting to see a shipwar from outside perspective.
didnt remember that inoue was a creep-
and she isnt
The trust and chemistry between rukia and ichigo is undeniable. The final chapter just feels like a cop out that pairs up the protagonist with the hot gullible girl.
No 👏 lies 👏 detected! 👏
How? Ichigo is shown to care deeply about orihime several times. Even the story points out their vibes. Nothing cop out about it.
yeah no the trust and chemistry between ichigo and orihime is undeniable as well, no it doesnt feel like that at all but only shows you dont know what a platonic relationship is.
@@comphethime4966 a lot of lies detected
@@carloskingdomh The irony. **chef’s kiss**
Totally, Ishihime is the most healthy ship here, Ishida doesn’t force her in anyway to love him like Kubo did with Inoue to Ichigo(like why, the hair?), Orihime could be better with Ishidaxd
dont lie
I never shipped either IchiRuki or IchiHime but I can see why IchiRuki is far more popular. Romances like IchiHime and NaruHina rely on female characters just becoming damsels in distress who can’t say or do anything not involving their crush. IchiRuki both as a potential couple and standalone characters have far more agency and depth.
I ship Ichihime but even I can see that using physical comparisons between them and other characters is nonsensical.
Kubo himself said that he used the same face not just for Orihime and Misaki, but also for Riruka and Bambietta not for any kind of theme (if that were the case Ichigo could have ended up with any of the other two and it would have made as much sense) but just because it was easier for him to draw.
I'm waiting for the inuyasha ship war
Oh no
Even inuyasha couldn't understand his feelings
Sessrin vs Sesskagu was a minefield to witness
Let us prepare, brethren!
@@eidotheaclearly sesshomaru liked rin, he'd do anything for her, who was kaguya😂😂
I havn't even watched this yet and I'm just impressed by the fact that you made a TWO AND ONE HALF HOUR video on this topic.
A irrelevant to
i have all of the manga, and i’m still in the middle of the video as i type this, i was a ichiruki shipper. it didn’t become canon, am i disapointed that it didn’t become canon? a little. am i angry at kubo for not making it canon? not at all. to me it’s still a great series even if my ship didn’t become canon
Give this guy a medal
Ichiruki is the most beautiful and most developed couple in shonen. They both are incredibly strong and talented individuals which is why I'll never forget them. Take this from someone who was a non-shipper . [Imo ih is the worst "ship" to ever exist]
same for ichihime
Why you think Ichihime is the worst ship to exist?
@@purplelove010 watch the video
Remember everyone shipping is all fun and games until someone has a broken heart.
Everyone ship is special and amazing in there own unique way, No one is better than the other. Let’s ship sail, not shot down each other and have them sink.
Unless it’s canon then... Just be respectful to others who aren’t.
Unless the ship is incest or pedophilic/somewhat abusive.
Then that may be a different story Id say.
@@voidlooksback IchiHime absolutely falls under the problematic category but we been knew. 🤷🏻♀️😂
Tell that to the She-ra and Steven Universe fans -. - "... Those feckers would kill even the writers of the story for their ships...
Got the beer ready for this one. I grew up watching Bleach and will always be an Ichiruki fan because of how much the Soul Society Arc hit me. I've always loved their relationship and felt that Kubo had put undertones of Ichikruki throughout the series, most heavily in The Lost Agent and SS arc, the ending of the Fake Karakura (the goodbye scene still hits to this day), and the Fullbringer arc. There were bits and pieces in TYBW but Ichigo wasn't with much of the OG cast for a majority of that arc.
There are many criticisms I have about the final arc and the ending pairings are not even close to the highest on the list. Am I happy with them? No, not particularly. Does it ruin the series for me? Fuck no, I got into Bleach for the action and because I loved the style of it. It's a shonen manga, meaning it's meant for adolescents and younger teens over in Japan and is focused on action. If you want romance, go read/watch Shojo series. It's an added bonus when it's included but let's be real, romance is rarely done well in Shonen.
Yep shounen often isn't good at showing romance
This is the third time I see this video so I am going to leave this time span in case I come back again in the future.
47:30 End of soul society Arc
1:30:22 Hueco mundo Arc
1:49:20 FullBringer Arc
2:11:58 Arrancar Arc
Other People: "ICHIHIME!" ; "NO, ICHIRUKI!"
Me, a lady of taste: Rukihime
Gal pal ships ☺️
There are people who like anchoves, so its fine to admit to having poor taste
If I had to guess, you like kiribaku and tododeku as well?
@@LiterallySpikeSpiegel maybe....
@@LiterallySpikeSpiegel also the two dudes from Haikyuu
Let's be honest, the series should have ended with IchiRuki (Ichigo should have died, that could solve some problems) and Orihime should have ended up with Ishida, those two really had chemistry, Orihime only had an OBSESSION with Ichigo, that's not love guys, instead, Ichigo and Rukia felt actual love for each other, they make themselves and each other better and complement each other, besides, those two are totally complementaries, and nobody can deny that!
LMAO Lets be honest the series os fine with ending with ichihime, orihime and isshida make absolutely not a single sense, honey go to google and research obsession because orihime was in love with him and thats a big difference, it is love guys, ichigo and rukia loved each other? where? sent me the panel or the moment any of them thought that about each other? lol no no one can deny that because its truth, but hon the same can be said about renji and orihime lol
@@carloskingdomh if you don't read the manga it's not my fault, and either if you are obsessed with Orihime 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️ I'm not your mother/teacher to explain you how text comprehension and subtext works, and Renji should have been alone
@@zoazede2098 Hon i have read the manga, unlike you or you have but with your own feet, i like rukia more, and renji should be alone? says who? a toxic shipper? please
@@zoazede2098 cap
Finally someone who read the manga and got every fukcin thing wrong.
2:18:14 "... Insulting not only to Masaki and orihime"
But also to the entire Kurosaki clan and Quincy race
nope keep coping
@@julianmaers6535 sure, moving on is kinda hard these day
FINALLY ADRESSING THE BIGGEST ISSUE AT HAND USING ONLY THE SOURCE MATERIAL, OH DIS’ GON BE GOOD
YEP!!!
But she ignored a lot of ichihime moments in the first arc
terrarion aqu there was clear ichiruki bias because it’s definitely the better of the two, but orihime is not as bad or toxic as she makes her out to be
@@backlogrob8358 both are equally good
@@terrarionaqu5262 Equally is a strong word.
RukiHime ftw
Intellectual
That solves everything!! 😂😂
The best answer 🤌
I am APPALLED with the ending Rukia got- Not only was she shoved to the side despite having a better chance against Yhwach (thematically it also makes sense they would fight together even if shipping wasn't a thing) but she got with RENJI in the end...RENJI...
WHAT A SICK JOKE!!
I'm so proud of you for all the work you put into this video though- amazing job!!
the sick joke is you thinking rukia ending with the person she always loved is a sick joke, not to mention rukia wouldnt have stood a chance against juha bach you wanted her to die? also when in the series rukia and ichigo fought and antagonist together? please tell me
Renji knows her more than ichigo does. They lived through 150 years old so
After reading the manga, I'm actually happy how it ended up. Plus, they still keep the fun relationship Rukia and Ichigo have.
And people tend to forget that Rukia is a Soul Reaper and a Captain while Ichigo is still a human
Технически, Ичиго по итогу не является человеком, ибо передача/восстановление сил шинигами = разрыв цепи души = отвязка от физического тела = прекращение быть обычным человеком.
As a fan of both Ichiruki and Ichihime who just recently finished the manga, I will admit that Ichihime and Renruki was easily the worst route Kubo could’ve took the major ships in Bleach.
Ichihime looked incredibly one-sided to where I couldn’t really see Ichigo really be with her in a romantic sense. Everytime in the manga I could always see that Orihime was crushing on Ichigo and well Kubo didn’t make any attempts to get Ichigo more drawn in to Orihime instead he like the rest of his main cast, made Orihime a close friend.
Ichiruki is the same way but a bit more closer, plus as you’ve said in the video Rukia, Juushiro, and Byakuya have explicitly said that Ichigo’s reminded of the man Rukia loved, thus you can argue that Rukia in early Bleach had feeling for Ichigo but we’re putting them down cause of her role as a Shinigami.
But then yeah Aranncar really flopped the story arc around and hell didn’t make Orihime that much of a player after she was rescue. And while I love Fullbring (and consider it to be my favorite arc in Bleach) Orihime didn’t really do anything for Ichigo but instead it was Rukia that motivated him.
TYBW really didn’t help either ship at all, but the fact that Kubo sidelined both women in the final climax of the fight against Yhwach was just really disappointing for me to read and well these ship wars over 7+ years later continue to happen all cause Kubo tucked up in the ship writing department
Are u dumb ???
Rukia never loved kaien ...lmao kaien already had wife and she died ...rukia admired kaien as a senior....byakuya and jushiro saying ichigo look like kaien was foreshadowing of ichigo being shiba and his heritage ...
2. Rukia and ichigo had no scenes in manga ...all of their scenes are fillers ...
Ex : rooftop scene, ice skating scene, fireworks scene
Rukia was barely on screen with ichigo entire arrancar saga which was 250 + chapters long barely means 1 pr 2 chapters
2. Rukia was never on same panel with ichigo entire tybw arc which was 200 + chapters long ....
3. Ichigo and orihime had much more development in manga ..in tybw ichigo admired her beauty and strength...and was personally the only female ichigo felt attractive too ....
In novel we do knot always love u ichigo himself proposed orihime ...
And in fullbring arc ...the arc was supppsed to be soft reboot of series just how rukia gave ichigo his powers for first time ...
I won't lie, I know nothing about Bleach in particular, but I got through all of this because Hezu's voice is just pleasant to listen to while you work.
Wow! This comment section is a fucking nightmare!
Guess that's what happens with shipping wars.
The weird thing is, the issues here with the Ship War here is actually a common issue in manga. Naruto is major example of this in... just about every way. The same can be said about nightmare that's becoming the My Hero fandom. And if you start looking outside of anime, it's a minefield of fuckery. The BBC's Sherlock, any Marvel team up movie, or the Eldritch horror that was the Harry Potter shipping scene.
I'm just glad I don't care strongly in any directions about any of these things. Yay for neutrality!
Its honestly because of videos like this. Dont get me wrong, im not complaining, my point is that fans will take each and every interaction and focus on it. Honestly the author probably doesnt spend that much time on it. A lot of conversations will be decided by who is available and who hasnt had much screen/page time. So there are a lot of interactions that fans take as evidence supporting a ship when in reality its probably just an exposition scene with randomly selected characters. It is fun though xD
Holy crap you did a lot of work for this! Did you really download every page of the manga that shared character interactions just for this vid? This must have taken forever. Great stuff.
Idk how I feel about a point system or trying to use math to determine love, also not sure if I agree with some of these generous points, but I'm interested in seeing the conclusion of your methods!! xD
P.S. The novels are canon.
the point system seems to be a vehicle to help deliver the final analysis at the end and the novels being canon are as relevant as halo novels in that, yes they obviously mean something in the grand scheme of thing but if you are looking at the main source material to understand peoples feelings on a topic because 80% of the fanbase isn't gonna touch an obscure book that the creator wrote to sublimate aspects of the story they failed at or had trouble with then those aren't really gonna come up.
essentially the books exist but if you can divorce them from the main story the same way we divorce the star wars sequel trilogy and those were movies like the original rather than books extras
@@_Sage967_ no you can divorce those books learn a little
@@lolsnez7542 i assume you meant "you can't" (because otherwise, you're just agreeing with my comment [circa 10/27/2020 at 11:55AM] in case you edit) and if that's the case... the fuck does it matter what you think? we are looking at the main series which is just the manga, no, games, no anime filler, NO BOOKS.
I only just finished Bleach manga but novels are not canon unless Kubo himself wrote them. Just like anime fillers are not canon. It's weird how some anime fans don't understand what canon means when it comes to manga/anime series.
@@_Sage967_The novels are extremely important and were written while Kubo was having an illness and was forced to meet deadlines. TYBW was incompleted. These novels cover a lot of things Kubo has wanted to right but couldn't at the time.
I'll be waiting for your ichiruki vs ichihime uncannon edition! Love your contents 💕💕
I just can’t stand ichigo and orihime.
She hasnt even got a personality and never ever had a personal and deep connection nor conversation between each other.
Ichigo and Rukia are best friends, he shares everything with her, they have a deep connection, trust and respect each other. This is what a good romantic realtionship is all about.
They had lots of moment of romance too, he looked at her the way like he’s never done with nobody else, always go sacrifise himself or figut for her without hesitation. He can be himself with her.
I know that when Kubo was in hospital for a long time, the publiser hurried him to draw the manga, so he wanted to make some financial damage for Shonen jump. He knew that fans prefer Ichiruki, so he chose ichigo and orihime pairing to decrease the selling of the manga.
So that’s it!
I always found ship wars to be stressful especially when both sides make valid points (some times) 😂😂
Agreed
The only point that Ichihime got it's being canon
I love Rukia. Way more interesting than Ichigo in my opinion. That's the main reason I didn't ship them. I thought Rukia might want more than that, and Ichigo is so young compared to her.
But, this has convinced me to consider it more. Plus their interactions are fun, and Ichigo seemed to show no interest in Orihime.
Yes she showed interesr in her pay attention
@lols nez no, he really didn't. Not romantically anyway.
@@Funky_Student yes he did
@@lolsnez7542 Ichigo showed no romantic interest in Orihime until the final timeskip of the series.
@@Funky_Studentthat….still counts as showing romantic interest though? not to mention that’s false anyway, but that still doesn’t help your point 😅
Always thought Rukia and Renji together was kind of dumb. Renji in the beginning of the series was most likely rewritten to have a past with Rukia during the SS arc, because before then he didn't care at all about her and seemed to be enjoying himself hunting for her to be executed.
It isnt. And boy watch the series again if you believe that lie
Failureofasavior what series were you watching the guy literally acts worried and serious about the situation when he has to capture her
Yeah and everyone likes to use the siblings trope to disprove ichrukia but renji and rukia are just as playful 🙄 and act just as much like siblings
You didn't read bleach. He was constantly antagonizing her in order to get her to go to soul society without letting her get hurt or killed by Byakuya keep in mind she was supposed to be captured dead or alive so Renji was doing everything he could to get her back alive. He even flat out says he let her dodge his attacks.
*Sees what hezuneutral had to do to make this video:* Thank you for your sacrifice 😔
funny because it was wrong
I'm team IchiRuki all the way but I can see kubo is trying to set them as platonic friends only through their bickering. Though their friendship bond is deep and since they're both male and female..I think that's why many people would see it akin to romantic love. I wonder if Kubo make rukia as male, would people see it more like friendship rather than when rukia is a female?
my comment makes me seem like an IchiRuki hater disguised as IchiRuki fan but I'm genuinely ichiruki all the way though I can see it both ways as pure platonic only and also through implicit interpretation of their deep bond as romatic love instead.
Ok? But the same applies to ichihime
@@chawli2782 saying ichiruki deep bond can be seen as both platonic and romantic love doesn't negate ichihime in any way..or any ship involving ichigo. saying a x b works doesn't mean saying a x c doesn't work. Okay?
@@auntienyannyan right..? I mean in sasunarusasu case, there are more people seeing them as friends simply because of their same gender. While for ichiruki, more people see them as romantic love because their gender is different.
@@glerasaurus7075 i said the same appiles to ichihime
I can't believe I enjoyed a 2.5 hour analysis of ridiculous pairings from Bleach. And damn, did you do it well...
Also, you helped me see the appeal of each one of them (yes, I see your love for Ishihime and I wholeheartedly support it, Uryuu for the best boy).
So... Definitely waiting for your 'anime-only' analysis 🤣 I mean, you mentioned Fade to Black and I was like 'Ah, yes, the one where Ichigo says/screams Rukia's name 53 times. This one will be fun'.
Don't overwork yourself! Stay wonderful 😘💗
objectively speaking the writing was so bad. The first arc was probably the best written. And that’s probably why so many people shipped Ichigo and rukia. Because there was substance and a reason to ship it...It’s obvious the author didn’t really have a plan for how the series was going to be. Coz like you mentioned renji wanted to kill rukia and then chapters later it’s revealed he’s childhood friends with her and wants to save her too??? Honestly kubo did not plan his shit out.
Whats more the hueco mundo arc was basically just the soul society arc 2.0. One of his lady friends is kidnapped and he risks his life to rescue her. The difference being Rukia had a time limit before she was going to die, and Aizen ultimately did nothing with Orohime but use her as bait.
If Ichigo was going to end up with Orohime why put Rukia in the story at all?? He didn't need to become a soul reaper, he could have just been a human and eventually would have ended up with her. It's so dumb
hilarious because is out loud and popular that the hueco mundo arc and soul society arc are the best and why people saw ichigo and orihime being a thing, please dont lie
@@CloudTribe Rukia wasn't there to become a love interest she was there as his mentor and his friend.
Renji never wanted to kill Rukia he just didn't have faith in himself to think that he was going to win the battle against Soul Society. But I believe due to the bond that he had with Rukia he would have still risk is life saving her rather Ichigo was there or not.
ichigo yeeted rukia to renji and thats how it should end with rukia and renji and ichigo and orihime. you know ichigo gentle carried orihime down lol. the writer made the right choice even had a scene where ichigo was holding hands with orihime looking into the sunset. i just realized this youtuber left that out how does that not equal biased opinions? she left out one of the most romantic ichihime scene wtf. at least i don't remember her pointing it out.
Not even a debate, orihime was always supposed to be the actual romance character.
before seeing: excuse me, I must make some popcorn, get a soda and a nice comfy chair
I swear
Yep
Dragonite Gaming same
This! I’m so planning to make this video so much since then! Thank you for doing this ❤️❤️
fake video
@@julianmaers6535 Hmmmmm
@@iilvexiii Careful with this one, this room temp iq thing loves to masquerade in burner accounts since it has nothing better going on. Probably a black sheep in its family.
IchiRuki and IshiHime is how I see it.
you see wrong
Screw you.
Yeah same. After the first arc I can't see why kubo went in the ichihime direction. It wasn't as good as the ichiruki ship.
@@Sam-qv8dq I careless about the IchiRuki build up. Ichigo’s the main character; he’s set for life. I just wanted something good for Ishida and I loved the uptight dork boy and lovable dork girl dynamic that Ishida and Orihime had.
A man of taste
No matter what people say, I love Ichiruki! Their bond is stronger than anyone’s in the series! But hey, if u like the canon pairings that’s cool, just don’t associate me with them.
Its great that you love ichihime i do so as well
it is poorly developed that’s why ichiruki is more popular after all these years get over it
@@TheSagefx keep lying
@@lolsnez7542 keep being delusional. I see you under every IR video. Why spend so much time on a ship you supposedly dislike?
If people wanna ship ichiruki then that’s fine as long as your not hurting people then it’s cool but people need to stop harassing and acting like tite kubo is evil for not hooking up a thousand year old ghost chick with a 15 year old in which she herself has said in canon that he was a kid in a magazine that is for teenagers
Y’all reach so much. Masaki was a high schooler and got together with Isshin. Outside of Bleach there’s Inuyasha and Kagome. Plenty of pairings out there that have this dynamic and yet y’all wanna scream “PrObLeMaTiC” at something that’s actually not making y’all lose sleep at all at the end of the day. The misogyny is astounding when you apply this to IchiRuki but don’t even think twice about other ships that have the man being older. Get well very soon because yikes! 🤢🤕😷
@@comphethime4966 lmao this!
@@comphethime4966 get help pathetic shipper get help
@@lolsnez7542 Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones. 😂💀
@@comphethime4966 exactly lol
I'm not gonna lie, I don't even like shounen anime but your personality is so fucking bubbly and infectious, I love just listening to you speak. Like, it's so full of energy in such a dorky, endearing way. You're amazing, please keep up the content!
I'm gonna say it, I don't care if I piss off somebody in the comments section. Shonen manga isn't known for their romantic subplots. Just look at Dragon Ball.
Thats truth
The closest thing I've seen to a shonen with a good romance is Inuyasha
The closest thing I've seen to a shonen with a good romance is Inuyasha
Inuyasha, Yu Yu hakusho, Full Metal Alchemist, there are plenty of shounen that have romantic sub plots.
Water is wet. Is there any reason to not discuss it though?
I am an Ichihime shipper, but I do admit that he seemed to have a better connection with Rukia.
I think that they would have had a better story for Ichihime if they combined her character with Tatsuki (since they didn't end up doing much with her anyway.)
So here's how that would work:
Orihime and Ichigo would have met at the dojo when they were four (one year after Sora ran away with her to protect her from their parents). Orihime was the first person to make him cry when she beat him during a match. That would be the start of their friendship Orihime would regularly save Ichigo from bullies and cheer him up when he was upset. Ichigo would call her Hime-chan, which would contrast her tomboy attitude. Orihime would be there for Ichigo after he lost his mom and would look for him when he skips school. She would offer silent support as he paced the river back from morning until night and be the first person that he tells about his ability to communicate with ghosts.
Their relationship would change after the death of her brother, Sora. Orihime always used to beat Ichigo during their matches. Her dream was to be a Vale Tudo Champion. However, after losing Sora, Orihime would lose a match between her and Ichigo for the first time. After that, they would never have a match again. Ichigo would watch as his bold, outspoken, tomboy best friend became someone more feminine, caring, and sensitive. She would stop standing up for herself with bullies and that would make Ichigo have to take on the role of her protector. He would promise to protect her from anyone who dared to make her cry and that would be the moment that Orihime’s crush on him would start. Ichigo would stop calling her Hime-chan after that and start calling her Orihime.
She would be one of Ichigo’s school friends, hanging out with Ichigo, Koji, Keigo, and Chad. She would often study with Ichigo, because, due to their close relationship, he would know that she receives less financial support from her relatives when her grades drop. The Orihime and Tatsuki moments would be replaced with Orihime and Ichigo moments, with Ichigo taking the role of her protective friend and the Ichigo and Tatsuki moments would be replaced with Ichigo and Orihime moments. He’d often show up at her house with food, because if he doesn’t bring food then Orihime eats weird things. There would be a lot more interactions between them that would feel less one-sided.
She could awaken her powers protecting one of Ichigo's sisters because she wouldn't want him to lose anyone else. Also, she could incorporate her karate into her fights more relying on her hair clips, fighting with them instead of standing still while they handle things.
And I think it would be cool if as the series goes on, Orihime begins to become more like her childhood self (becoming more like Tatsuki as she grows more confident in herself). She’d become bolder and more outgoing again, scolding Ichigo, confessing to him while he’s awake, and being a more active player in his journey. She’d be able to keep up with Ichigo, fighting alongside him, and beginning to push him. As Orihime becomes more like her old self, Ichigo would begin to show more signs of having feelings for her (because he had a crush on Orihime when they were kids, back when she was kicking his butt in the dojo).
I personally would keep it open-ended as to who Ichigo ended up with, but I do think that Orihime would have been more interesting if she were more like Tatsuki.
What you tatsuki and splice her with orihime might as well just use tatsuki. Feels like most orihime traits are gone 😂
He has a good connection with orihime to
Orihime is fine as she is
@@silvertongue.242_99 Tatsuki kind of looks too similar to Rukia in my opinion. So, I'd keep Orihime's looks, powers, and most of her background and just merge it with Tatsuki's personality and her history with Ichigo.
@@tamerafarly7666 so you giving orihime all the good traits 😂
Never saw IchiRuki a possibility since I saw them as "friends". I guess that's the thing about shippers, always trying to ship. It's very awkward tbh
@αηgєl кσƒ I've always been good at guessing couples the author is pushing even though I don't really ship. I guessed Ron and Hermione when I was 7 after watching the 2nd movie, I said to myself the next day "I think the author wants Ron and Hermione to get together." Guessed Orihime and Ichigo as well as Rukia and Renji
@ꜱᴏꜰɪᴀ ᴍᴀɴᴛᴇɢᴀ says the toxic shipper
Kubo literally shoved Rukia out of the way to make more room for Orihime and she STILL won! If that doesn’t mean IchiRuki wins, idk what to tell you
Lmao what it never won you fool
I remember thinking Ichigo was gonna end up with Rukia. But nvm I guess, lol mah dude Ichigo couldn't help the tig ol bittied I suppose
thank you for this video. it was probably hell to make but showcases 3 things. the absurdity of the shippable, yet, nonsensical details needed for proof of a developed relationship, the fact kubo can't make up a damn thing related to how his characters needed to be handled romance wise, and the time constraints that pushed for the end result that made no sense given full context. this is a mothafuckin' masterpiece.
you know the video is wrong right?
Fullbringer arc was a deep dive into Ichigo relationships, lost and despair . It wasn't as action packed but I still like the concepts that was explored. I think adding more fullbringer fights that had to be discreet cause in real world fighting would have accelerated the arc
There are two kinds of people. Shippers, and everyone else.
you know what, I would definitely watch a shonen couple anaylisis series from you 😆😆
No
This made me realize that with Kubo decision with the matches leave ishida out, alone and by himself that really sucks. We didn't even get no insight on anything about him. 😭😭😭
Ishida is happy, just becuase he didnt got a girl doesnt mean anything
@Jini uhhh excuse me but ishida saved the world to and yes we didnt saw much of him but that was because kubo was rushed, also ichigo cared about orihime to i think you are overthinking stuff
@Jini hey look another reasonable person debunked you. Work here is done
@Jini lol it wasnt an excuse at all itts what happened and its reality. And it does matter becasuse it shows how much he had to cut and ishida wasnt writen on the sidelines. Ishida also cared for her as a friend. HAHAHAHAHAH panels between emotional interaction? Lol your pathetic delusions dont count, and as far as im concerned more development interaction they were with ichigo and orihime. But you hate to hear that
@Jini not even bothering with you
The points deducted kinda seemed unfair, but nice video nonetheless!
yeah it also like her not liking orihime character was to blame. i was annoyed by it too. she was comparing rukia and orhime way to much they are different character their power should have had nothing to do with this. Orihime being a healer and rukia being a fighter you cant compare characters with different roles like that. i still like orihime character better then rukia's x.x i cant help it her character seems relatable to me.
It hurts that despite my Ichiruki bias, I have no problem with either Ichihime OR Renruki. My favorite Naruto ship is NaruHina, I’m okay with Ichihime, and literally the only problem with Renruki is Renji’s introduction, and it nearly causes me physical pain.
Both are fine, it’s just that they never got much development. Though I am okay with that lacking development because it’s a Shonen action manga. Heck, Naruto ended with more than a few underdeveloped ships, and I was fine with those.
It just sucks that that both only got the crumbs of what Ichiruki already had.
Kinda wish the series ended at the first arc
To good it didnt
The best one
**Ichiruki won Bleach**
That’s the best one to describe this ship. Most people wanted that ship too. And it also made more sense.
Not really. Neither were shown romantically interested at all in the story. They just became great friends.
Ichihime makes more sense since orihime was shown several times interested in ichigo and he cared for her on a deep level.
ichihime won bleach
thats the best one to describe this ship. the fandom is ok with this ship, also it made more sense
@@buster3041 yes
@JJ M thats false
yes because a 15 year old and a basically dead 150 year old should totally end up together. there only a 133 year age difference which makes her older then ichigo's none existing grandparents. yeah and she from a different world where they basically souls which means they are dead? although they can still die in that world which is weird. either way that ship never had a chance ichigo proved that when he throw rukia to renji in the first arc. you don't throw a girl you love you gentle carry them to the ground like he did with orihime. ichigo yeeted rukia lol.
If you did this for Naruto I wonder how many points narusasu would get lol
Ah the good ol days of naruto ships.....it was a different time
@@billyboleson2830 Absolutely. I spent my middle school years reading fanfics, and lets just say I happened upon some....strange ones.
lol I'm both sasunarusasu and ichiruki fans so i can relate. and i wonder if kubo made rukia a male, would people still see ichiruki more as romantic / as friendship?
Probably slot of negative points cause they fought alot and she docked point for renruki because of that first fight
The reason why I don't prefer ichihime is because she tried to kiss Ichigo in his sleep and always saw him from a crush's view. If the sexes were reversed people would be outraged. I just didn't like that her feelings for him felt surface level. It only felt like a crush and nothing more. With Rukia, it was deeper and she and Ichigo were on the same wavelength. She didn't idolize Ichigo and vice versa, it felt neutral and real. I do feel like with Ulquiorra, Orihime felt the most natural as she spoke to him on her terms and he did the same to her. They both had a deeper understanding of what a heart was and challenged each other's philosophies. Just like Rukia and Ichigo do throughout the whole manga/anime.
With Ichigo, Orihime is just a shy girl with a crush.
Didn't Rukia physically break into his house, steal his sister's clothes, and then hide in his closet without his knowledge or consent. I suppose that gets a free pass. Hell Orihime couldn't even go through with the kiss because she knew it was wrong, the only reason she tried was because she thought it would be the last time she'd ever see him. I hate Ulquiorra x Orihime as a ship. It is the stupidest idea of one. Hey Orihime just stated even if she lived 5 lifetimes she'd always fall for Ichigo. Wow, hey let's set her up with this emo dude who threatens her constantly, mentally torments her, tells her her friends will all die and she should forget them, oh yeah and KIDNAPPED HER IN THE FIRST PLACE!!! 5 star ship I'm sure. Meanwhile Rukua may seem special but honestly Ichigo treats her the same as most of his other friends like Renji or Uryu, with sarcasm, slapstick, and friendly insults. But with Orihime Ichigo is noticeably more gentle and calm. He's never shown acting super sarcastic or insulting her like he does with most of his other friends. The only ones he ever really acts this way with are his sisters, Chad, and her so clearly people he's very close and understanding towards.
congratulations you have shipper goggles and its affecting your critical thinking
@@alphawolf7417 rukia break his house = orihime breaka his house?, ichigo was awake in the first ocasion, the second is zzzzz.
@@william90tz45 no I meant after episode one. Where she broke into his house, stole his sister's clothes, and hid in his closet without his knowledge nor consent. And she had a Gigai at the time meaning she physically broke in. So unlike Orihime who was basically a ghost giving a kiss goodbye, this idiot broke into his house and stole from his family. Tell me which you think is actually worse.
@@alphawolf7417 Again, back to the case, Ichigo never said anything to Rukia when he stole his sister's clothes because it didn't bother him at all, since he never reprimanded him later about invading his personal space, he even brings her breakfast to his closet . In Hime's scene, the perspective of the people that she didn't like was because she intended to kiss, she didn't, but the intention is what counts. Ichigo was asleep, he didn't even like Hime. If ichigo liked Hime and she tried to kiss him, then there if the perspective changes. There I support you with the IH forever.
They literally had to force separation for IchiRuki for IchiHime to get any acknowledgment and development.
What the hell are you inventing pathetic troll
@@lolsnez7542 ya mama so fat she--- *starts crying* ya mama so... *snorts line of crack* lols nez,,,, i.... * flatlines*
@@pixelated3269 😂💀
@@comphethime4966 uhhhh sure. I got no idea where you got this dumb idea from but sure.
@@alphawolf7417 a toxic shipper in twitter or tumblr maybe
to be honest, I'd rather ship a non-canon couple than a canon one, where there is not a drop of chemistry and mutual understanding between the characters meh
damn then you can ship ichihime no problem
@@emilioalveran4832 if there is something in this pairing that is called mutual understanding, then I am completely disappointed in this word
@@sothatsthelemontea5154 yeah ichigo and orihime had exactly that you dont have to delusion yourself that much
@@emilioalveran4832 okay, okay, it's your opinion
@@sothatsthelemontea5154 you are still wrong
I'm still kinda confused on the point scaling stuff. Since some of the mutual stuff increases the one sided stuff. All of the renruki stuff till it finally gets out of the negative only effects the one column.
Not to mention when you got two characters quite literally embodying and compared to the sun and moon how do you then separate them and say they are not canon? Like my IchiHime shipping sister still flinches when something uses the sun and moon metaphor. You just don’t easily ignore that and brush that aside.
Hahahah that metaphor is taken out of context by toxic shippers tell your right sister she doesnt need to flinch when ichigo and orihime are the shield and the sword
The shattered shield to his sword to the very end. 💔
@@comphethime4966 hahaha you mean the unbreakable shield and his sword pathetic troll
@@lolsnez7542 It’s my pleasure. 😄
@@comphethime4966 wow you are so petty and delusional its hilarious
you dismissed a lot of ichihime moments. honestly, everyone who really finished reading the manga knows who's gonna end up w/ whom. also you're being a selective reader at this case as you pointed out some things while tending to ignore the others to fit your narrative. novels are canon by the way.
THIS
Ichigo and Rukia are deep 😭
Deep in the mud yes
@@lolsnez7542 well mud is good for your skin💖.....soooooo there's that 😁👌🏻
One big Hint Orihime is special for Ichigo, is that by the way Ichigo calls Orihime.
Ichigo is is the type of guy who calls his friends and aquaintances by their "first name". The few peopel he calls by their surnames outside his friend circle are people who Ichigo feels he should speak in a more respectful manner like with Unohana.
And Ichigo is implied to at least be close enough to Orihime before the start of the manga since he saiys by dialogue Orihime told him all about the history of the hairpins Sora gave her.
Despite that Ichigo still calls her "Inoue", meanwhile Ichigo had never had problem immediately getting to first name name basis with his friends and female friends, even if said friend may find that rude specially with the Shinigami high ranking officers.
In Ichigo's friend group Ichigo only address Orihime and Uryu by their surnames, He still calls Ishida by surname since they have the "frenemies" banter dynamics and with Orihime cause if you are knee deep into anime, you should probably be aware of in japanese language there are values and meaning you can derive with how you call a specific person. And if you had seen enough anime you will know that a dude being able to to call his crush by first name is a big step in a romance bonding achievement.
Ichigo calls Rukia, Yoruichi, Rangiku no problem
For Ichigo being able to call Orihime, Orihime is something special.
Like he only ever class Orihime in the manga, Orihime when they got married.
But again, this nuance are all lost in the manga localization and english dub of anime.
Orihime x tatsuki would have been a top tier ship😭
Huh
I love the analysis video and to be honest I like both parings for Ichigo. I think I personally lean more towards Ichiheme because Rukia is about 150 years old when she meets Ichigo (who is 15 at the time). It’s like the same argument if you’ve ever seen the movie Licorice Pizza, which is a nice romance but the age difference is more than questionable.
Also I liked the Fullbring Arc ): but I understand some of the gripes