Insulated Concrete Slab with Radiant Heating | Max Maker Dream Workshop Ep.4

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  • @dinocat8
    @dinocat8 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +84

    Grown up lego looks very fun!

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      Its fun for the first 15 pieces. After that its just physical work. This building site is at the coast and at the top of a hill. So far it was always windy when I was there. That is fairly unpleasant. We also had a very cold April. Only on the day where we installed the insulation it was suddenly to warm. Heiko from Jackodur told me that installing Jackodur in summer when the sun is out is extremly hot because it reflects the sunlight so much. In summary, I am looking forward to working indoor soon!

    • @dinocat8
      @dinocat8 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      @@MaxMakerChannel could have monetized it! Want to play with big legos? Book your time and come over! You rake the ticket money, people have fun for 15 minutes, your insulation gets done 😄

    • @deleted_handle
      @deleted_handle 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@dinocat8 500IQ lol

  • @JSTARandom
    @JSTARandom 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +76

    I read a lot of comments written by experts in these areas, so I just want to mention that there are also teenagers watching and enjoying this. I learnt a lot through your videos, and even if I probably never need this knowledge, I love it.

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  14 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      Glad you enjoyed it! I started watching DIY videos around 2008 when I was a teenager. I learned so much from people like Jimmy Diresta, SV Seeker or Matthias Wandel.

    • @Tyler-789
      @Tyler-789 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Jimmy Diresta is the man!

    • @von1477
      @von1477 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@MaxMakerChannel ah matthias is the goat!

  • @renevile
    @renevile 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +33

    a super good tip i got when i started building on radiant floors is, buy a cheap thermal camera, with that you can easily see where the heatpipes are. i have ~8-10cm of concrete above my pipes and i can easily locate the pipes within 2-3 cm. that way you can always be 100% shure not to hit any pipes now or in the future if you ever want to bolt something to the floor.

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  14 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      I got one of those, but I also just bought a wall scanning radar that can detect pipes, steel and cables. Not sure if I will be able to see these pipes with the thermal camera because they are 12cm deep.

    • @renevile
      @renevile 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@MaxMakerChannel you can't see the pipes directly but you can clearly see a temperature gradiant between the pipes and the gaps between the pipes and infer where the pipes are.
      i can clearly see mine in the livingroom under 8-10 cm of concrete with 10mm laminate floor and 2mm sound absorbing foam and moisture barrier above.
      at work i sometimes use a thermal camera to search for leaking pipes under ~30cm floor (30mm), insulation (50mm) and sand (20-25cm)

  • @madmax
    @madmax 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +42

    19:57, that was trippy, looked like the pipe was growing.

  • @TheTrueRandomness
    @TheTrueRandomness 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +37

    This is my favorite series on YT right now! It's great to get a close up view of German/European construction techniques!

  • @SA-76234
    @SA-76234 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +35

    Well you are the definition of what the saying here in the USA “German Quality”. Looks fantastic and very thought out. You should be very proud. And I am sure you are. Thanks for sharing.

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  14 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      Thank you! I am very happy with the built so far, but its also a bit worrying to spend this kind of money.

    • @ryanoverlay4592
      @ryanoverlay4592 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@MaxMakerChannel Are you comfortable sharing the total cost at the end of the project or is that too private?

    • @SA-76234
      @SA-76234 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Well you built it to last and that will save you money in the end.

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  14 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Its estimated to about 800.000€. 200 of that is the property alone.

  • @sinphony9835
    @sinphony9835 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I am LOVING this series, Max! I also love the longer video format! Looking forward to more in the future.

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Will do! Thanks for watching!

  • @tbillington
    @tbillington 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

    Very interesting construction methods. Totally different to anything I've seen built here in Australia.

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      I keep watching videos from all over the world! I learned through TH-cam that a lot of what is custom in construction is only due to local regulations. For example nobody in Germany has concrete driveways, but in the US, they are everywhere.

  • @Akoni70
    @Akoni70 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Very happy for you on building a new shop. In North America, US and Canada. The slab is poured after the building is enclosed. We also saw cut the slab to avoid cracks. The cuts are around 16mm deep and they are filled with appropriate joint sealant to avoid chipping. You mentioned it is a 600m2 shop, it looks like 6000m2.
    Anywho, you should create incredible new content from this atelier :) Good luck

  • @asztapaszta9
    @asztapaszta9 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I am amazed how confidently you handle the construction process, most people would just hire a project manager. I am an architect and I dream of building my own house one day, so I find your videos very inspirational. Thanks for sharing!

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  13 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Thanks for watching! Its not as difficult as you might think and I doubt a project manager would do a good job when his or her money isn’t on the line.

  • @Audrey.SmilingSticks
    @Audrey.SmilingSticks 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Thanks again for taking us along with your process - really enjoying this series! 😎

  • @samuelbeckett4632
    @samuelbeckett4632 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Thanks; really appreciate the detailed explanations for all the various processes. Looking forward to seeing it all completed 👍

  • @Lexaire
    @Lexaire 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    This project has been amazing to watch! Thank you so much for sharing it!

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thank you for watching! I get very nice comments like yours, but the views are small compared to my other videos.

  • @fluffyredfox9226
    @fluffyredfox9226 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Laying the slab is always an exciting part of building. its funny seeing that your plot is the only one with development.

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yes, I am glad that its done now. Ther were so many steps and planning that went into the slab and now its set in stone. So the conrete is out of my mind.

  • @thomasalison6188
    @thomasalison6188 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Really impressive project, great job Max!

  • @ihass22
    @ihass22 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    It's so interesting to see the difference between how Europe builds vs how American builds

    • @jrisner6535
      @jrisner6535 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      This is not a standard European build

    • @ihass22
      @ihass22 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @jrisner6535 than what is it cus it's not American that's for sure

    • @jrisner6535
      @jrisner6535 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@ihass22 It's top ten percent European I guess

    • @ihass22
      @ihass22 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@jrisner6535 so you don't even know and said I was wrong

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  13 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Standard in Europe is to add insulation on top of the slab and then another 8cm of low strength concrete ontop of that. So the radiant heat and cables would all sit underneath that top concrete layer. That is better for noise decoupling since the top concrete floats on insulation.

  • @Tomniverse
    @Tomniverse 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Fascinating series

  • @jaapster1273
    @jaapster1273 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Yes sir, European building, unmatched.

  • @celo2043
    @celo2043 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you for sharing this process! It's so interesting and educational, I love it!

  • @Kapil-Patel
    @Kapil-Patel 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Always exciting to see a notification from you Max, thanks for sharing. Amazing build ! 👍🏽

  • @chrispy3866
    @chrispy3866 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Happy to see a new full length video. Coming along well! It must be VERY expensive!

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I like to make full length, but this workshop series gets very little clicks so far. The build is expensive for sure. Before the pandemic it would have been so much cheaper!

  • @G89-
    @G89- 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Amazing, love the longer format!

  • @mrJakestetler
    @mrJakestetler 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’ve wanted to build a place with radiant in floor heat since the 90’s. Thanks for sharing your progress. It’s an inspiration.

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I think it has only advantages. Hope you get to build it!

  • @FuzeHC
    @FuzeHC 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Wow, das ist wirklich fantastisch geworden.

  • @jamesa8851
    @jamesa8851 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    You could've used a pex expander to put the tube on the connector. Or used a heat gun and a pair of needle nose pliers in reverse to stretch the tubing.

  • @kokonokov
    @kokonokov 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great progress. Very interesting series, I drop everything and watch every single video as soon as I see its been uploaded.

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks for watching! I really appreciate the community.

  • @jamesmck896
    @jamesmck896 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is looking awesome 👏

  • @johannan572
    @johannan572 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great update video! Very entertaining but also educational.

  • @jairo.cabello
    @jairo.cabello 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Max, thank you so much for your effort making the videos. They are enjoyable to watch and inspiring to see!
    Looking forward for the rest of the series. I can't imagine how special it will feel to you to enter the building the very first time you have a roof :)

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I am excited too. I have no idea how the space will be from the inside. I looked at my model using VR goggles but without furniture its just a box.

  • @AllanElkaim
    @AllanElkaim 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I really enjoy your videos, can't wait for the next one !

  • @norwaybirds3015
    @norwaybirds3015 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Hi from Australia 🦘 That is absolutely amazing! Congratulations. Great tips and amazing skills. Thank you

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Put another Shrimp on the barbie!! Thanks for watching!

  • @jrisner6535
    @jrisner6535 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    How am I so fascinated, even though I have no idea what you are going to be doing in there 😂

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Its just a workshop like my current one is. Some woodworking, some metal working, electronics. All kinds of stuff!

    • @jrisner6535
      @jrisner6535 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@MaxMakerChannel but just for TH-cam? What do you 'normally' make?

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @jrisner6535 I built drawer slides for the caravanning industry and I work on new ideas. So prototyping in a way.

    • @jrisner6535
      @jrisner6535 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@MaxMakerChannel cool, thank you

  • @kameljoe21
    @kameljoe21 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Super! I like that foam boarder. That is quite cool.
    Watering and keeping the concrete cool is really key to preventing the concrete from curing too fast. I have a plan for this by setting up special sprinklers system to do this. We want to do the polished finish concrete as well stained and a coating to seal it.
    I look forward to see the connection between the foam "curb" and the finished wall along with the joints for the doors and their connecting sidewalks outside.

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      A sprinkler would be great for this. Especially now that you can get those cheap controllers that turn them on every few hours. This slab is a bit to large for sprinklers. I would have needed at least 4 of them. The building sits directly on the edge of the concrete and there is flashing that starts behind the wall panels and overlaps over the foam edge.

  • @Tokaisho1
    @Tokaisho1 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Fun to watch, thank you

  • @rowingcrack
    @rowingcrack วันที่ผ่านมา

    Talking about sustainability not using epoxy is also very good. CO2 emissions of it are quite large and recycling the concrete later is also a problem. So a little more work by doing a good finishing job goes a long way!

  • @Maou3
    @Maou3 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Awesome video

  • @verven999
    @verven999 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    looking forward to next week epizode

  • @oleschinsky974
    @oleschinsky974 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    No timber shuttering at all - this thermal insulation looks clever 👏

  • @Simon-A
    @Simon-A 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Interesting Video! Thanks for documenting. The first half felt a little bit like a Commercial tho.

  • @PeterLee-zn3jl
    @PeterLee-zn3jl 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very complete install...fastidious prep , layout and sla looks tuff.!
    Including servixes , plumbing and wall provisions and work bench/hydraulic table is a COMMIT TO LAYOUT...EH..?
    Carry on...

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thats why the hydaulic table is in the middle of the workshop! I don´t know yet where the work area will be exactly. So with the table in the middle it cannot be in the way. Also if we ever get a dilivery with a truck that does´t have a hydraulic loading platform, we can get our own forklift up on that truck.

  • @cncrouterinfo
    @cncrouterinfo 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Impressive

  • @Tom40305
    @Tom40305 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    what a nice video

  • @ZanDeeMan
    @ZanDeeMan 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Interesting to see the contrast in construction methods. Germany has the best waterproofing systems by far. Wonderful products! I also enjoy the layout choice of your radiant tubing. I've noticed many builders running their tubing in symmetrical yet robotic patterns with inorganic quadrants taking constant sharp turns. Your approach allows water and the heat to flow naturally and I am curious of the results. I feel it will help efficiency and be an overall net positive. It would be very neat comparing your layout to that aforementioned.

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      We noticed that. Our layout is a bit messy but organic sounds better : ) If we had done this for a customer it would need to be pretty and more organised. I don’t think it would perform much better but it would take a lot more time.

  • @Joseph-kl4jc
    @Joseph-kl4jc 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    WOOO!

  • @W2APS
    @W2APS 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm really enjoying the construction videos. I'd love to see a collaboration with Colin Furze. 😁 You could be lift friends. 😎

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Colin has the clicks, but I already own a underground car lift! : D But yeah, we have similar minds and I like him a lot.

  • @dronefootage2778
    @dronefootage2778 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i love watching this stuff, thanks a lot for sharing. i'd also be curious how much this stuff costs, like when you said that you had 15 concrete trucks i was curious how much that costs or all the rebar and everything.

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I think the concrete was about 20,000€ and the rebar about 15,000€. In total the slab with foundation was 140,000€.

    • @dronefootage2778
      @dronefootage2778 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@MaxMakerChannel wow, that's a lot of money. i do agree with your philosophy though, pay more upfront to make it efficient and save money in the long run.

  • @Sceme1991
    @Sceme1991 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    A rebar tying machine would've made attaching the heating pipes so much quicker. Really enjoying this series btw.

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      I thought about that. Here in Germany I never saw a rebar person use them. So i figured that they might be unreliable. That alone wouldn´t have stopped me to try one. The biggest concern was that a malfunction could have dugg the thin wires into the tubing and damage it. I didn´t want to risk that. I would be worried if i had any repair connections inside of the concrete. Also those machines cost about 600€ and we only would have used it a single day. Overall, if it works, it would be a no-brainer for this. In other construction methods they can staple the tubing to the insulation below. That is extremly easy in comparison since you don´t have to kneel down for that at all.

    • @Sceme1991
      @Sceme1991 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@MaxMakerChannel Yeah definitely no point in buying one but you could probably rent one too. I highly recommend giving it a try if you ever again have the need for one in the future. It doesn't pull the wire very tight and when it malfunctions it usually just makes a wire mess. I've used one for this exact same purpose and it's super convenient and also just mechanically interesting device overall. I bet they went thru a truckload of prototypes before they got one to work reliably.
      Also you're correct about the joints inside the concrete. That absolutely needs to be avoided at all costs. However people occasionally drill thru these pipes and they need to be fixed which is difficult but can be done. The repair itself is easy but exposing the damaged section without causing more damage is the hard part. The connections also needs to be covered with heatshrink tubing before covering with new concrete. Can't have exposed metal touching the conrete.

  • @dinmavric5504
    @dinmavric5504 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    no idea what im watching but very interestinggggggggggg

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I am building a giant workshop!

  • @NikolaSlavkovic
    @NikolaSlavkovic 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Why not add crack control joints to control cracking of the slab? Amazing job so far, keep at it! 😊

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      I know that is a standard in the US and I was supprised that it was not neccessary here. The engineers wrote "The reinforcement was planned for a limitation of crack width with wcal = 0.3 mm. Cutting of joints is not required.” I guess that there is so much rebar in this slab, that it would be hard for large cracks to form. I was told to expect micro cracks on the surface which I don´t mind. I would create myself a lot of extra work if I was worried about the looks of the floor. My current workshop has asphalt and is very forgiving in terms of stains.

    • @user-uu2oq8sp4x
      @user-uu2oq8sp4x 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      This is a monolithic slab. A rebar configuration is designed to control the crack width (0,3 mm) in a well distributed way

    • @Dustmadeout
      @Dustmadeout 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      ​@@MaxMakerChannelI am an engineer who does the calculation and writes this. You are totally correct, we make a crack width design check, which takes into consideration the slab thickness, it's orientation (wall, slab on surface, plate in space), concrete exposing class, allowable crack width (standard is 0.4-0.3mm, could have less for certain applications). And we get a necessary smallest amount of reinforcement. Usually for such slabs this number is bigger than the number used in loading calculations, so we chose the biggest one. In your case probably around 5.24-6.xx cm².

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Dustmadeout Very interesting! Thank you for the explanation. So do you say that we used the rebar primarily to stop cracks instead of holding up the building?

    • @Dustmadeout
      @Dustmadeout 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@MaxMakerChannel Probably yes, just check your Statik, Kapitel Sohlplatte. You need erf.A= from the Rissbreitennachweis and compare this to the graphics showing Isolines of erf. Bewehrung in the numerical calculation.

  • @FrankyDigital2000
    @FrankyDigital2000 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    3000m of piping? That's crazy. What an enormous slab

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah its big, but I also see people use twice as much tubing.

  • @MotoLen51
    @MotoLen51 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very nice build. When I built my house (10 years ago, in Spain) they used a product called "cupolex" under the concrete. It looks like a lot of plastic turtles, snapped together to form a barrier between the ground and the concrete. Is that used in Germany? Good luck with the rest of the build!

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Those are very cool! I bet they are used here, but I learned that a lot of smart solutions are not used because architects and engineers simly don´t know about them.
      Like my concrete guy didn´t know about the Atlas System. So he would have built a wooden form and then lined it with normal foam. My building materials supplier also didn´t know about it.

  • @TorteTS
    @TorteTS 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Very interesting. The foam can only withstand because of the low contact pressure?

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Yes, the load gets spread out over a huge area. The foam is also extemly hard! If you would suspend a sheet like a bridge, you could easily stand in the middle of it. There are differnt hardness levels and ours was the highest that you can get.

  • @cool50500
    @cool50500 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    nice

  • @dirtlac1
    @dirtlac1 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    How did you plan the routing of the heating pipes that all of them become 100 m length at the end?
    Keep up the good work!

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The rooms need between 1 and 3 loops. So if a room has some meters leftover we placed those leftover meters inside the workshop area. So maybe the last 30m would end up in the workshop and it doesn’t matter if that giant space gets some heat or not. If will spread out.

  • @karstenf.2558
    @karstenf.2558 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hallo „Nachbar“, sehr schöne Entwicklung und schönes Video. Ich wußte gar nicht, daß die die andere Seite vom Gewerbegebiet freigegeben haben, tat sich ja Ewigkeiten Nichts. Gruß aus Ratekau.

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hallo zurück! Falls hier noch mehr aus Lübeck lesen. Ich suche noch einen festen Mitarbeiter für die Halle der sich um alles kümmert. Produktion, Ware verschicken, Hausmeister für alles. Das ganze bei 3 Tage Woche und ca. 20€ Stundenlohn.

    • @karstenf.2558
      @karstenf.2558 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Das hört sich gut an, wäre etwas, wenn ich in die Rente gehe, aber das ist noch etwas in der Zukunft 😂 Aber ich frage mal im Bekanntenkreis, vielleicht hilft das ja weiter.

  • @wilkuuu4016
    @wilkuuu4016 วันที่ผ่านมา

    13:30 - you can just bore with knife a little bit from edges or heat up ends of tubing.

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  วันที่ผ่านมา

      I tried that but then there was too much material to get the captive nut over the pipe.

  • @sethtchristensen
    @sethtchristensen 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    you can actually cool that slab too. I have a 60ftx80ft shop with 18ft walls, that I heat the slab in the winter and cool the slab in the summer. Just need a dehumidifier in the shop to make sure the floor does't' sweat. very cheap to do! simple too.

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That is the plan! We will have so much energy in summer that it will be free cooling.

  • @t789yq34iZKJFHWEIL
    @t789yq34iZKJFHWEIL 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hi Max, how big will the heat pump be in terms of power? I assume it will be air/water (the water part was clear from this video :)).
    Enjoyed it

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It will have 16kW of heat output. So around 4-5 kW of electrical power + a 10kW heating coil for extremely cold days.
      This pump will be at its limit during cold weeks which is at -11°C. I think it will be alright since we get that temperature maybe twice per year and only for one or two nights. During the day its always at least -5°C. If it cannot keep up, we can prioritise the office and let the workshop cool down. I think with the good insulation it will take a while for the temperature to drop. 16 kW is the limit for most heat pumps and a second one adds cost which we likely don’t need, but I could retrofit one of course.

  • @rkan2
    @rkan2 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    5:30 - How much is the insulation compared to installing more solar panels or more wall/roof installation tough?

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The ground insulation is 14000€ for the material. Probably another 10000€ to level the ground and installing it.
      Wall insulation hit its peak at 12cm thickness. More would require heavier steel beams which would have added 25000€. But 14cm of foam would only save 500€ a year so 5000 in 10 years. But the walls are made from Polyurethane instead of XPS which insulates a little bit better than 12cm of Jackodur.
      I am going to add solar on the entire roof and that will be about 90.000€.

  • @fritzfahrmann4730
    @fritzfahrmann4730 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    shouln't be the moisture stopped outside of the insolation? cause wet insulation is no insolation?
    But great video overall, really liked it - ist echt schön geworden der Boden :)

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  13 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Thanks! Jackodur says its waterproof since its closed cell.

    • @fritzfahrmann4730
      @fritzfahrmann4730 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@MaxMakerChannel thanks for the reasonse, than it's fine if it can't get soaking wet

  • @martinstedtler
    @martinstedtler 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The floorheating seems to have a rathter large spacing between, compared to whats used in homes (15cm & 8-10 in bathrooms)? Will you use a higher water temperature?

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      In homes its typically 10-15cm. I chose 20cm. However these pipes have 20mm outside diameter whereas most homes have 16mm pipes. So more water with more energy can flow through these. Also the workshop only needs 19°C, but homes should go up to 23°C. And here the concrete slab is much thicker.

  • @peterhorst7605
    @peterhorst7605 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great Video ! How thick made you the concrete ?

  • @Thekidfromcalifornia2.0
    @Thekidfromcalifornia2.0 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Hi max!

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Cool profile picture!

    • @Thekidfromcalifornia2.0
      @Thekidfromcalifornia2.0 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@MaxMakerChannel thanks was taken on a phase One by a friend.

  • @AdityaMehendale
    @AdityaMehendale 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    SHIT forgot to say this sooner:
    I too did a floor insulation and floor hearing myself, but had ONE regret afterwards: I did not put heat-exchange tubes BELOW the foam insulation. No, I'm not crazy, hear me out:
    Any insulation-pack has TWO sides, The "other" side, considering the 20-cm or so of XPS that you put down, is VERY valuable - as a cold-sink in the winter if and when you get heat-pumps, and as a heat-dump in the summer, when it shal invariably get hot. I know you have ground-heat-exchange borewells and all that, but still, for a few aditional euros per square meter, you (could) have a "free" thermal-resource. You migh tthink it counterproductive to cool below the insulation in winter, but the 20cm is orders-of-magnitude more insulative than the earth below, so the incremental disadvantage of having the earth slightly colder is negligible.
    Yoy can also think of the two water-circuits as two heat-potential sources, and a simple valve or pump inbetween as a "switch", so that you can choose to delete or reinstate the insulation with one twist of the valve.

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      That is a very interesting point and I never heard of this idea before! A lot of people burry heat pump pipes in their gardens to use the soil as a heat sink. That way in winter you can use the 7° warm ground to draw heat from versus the 0° warm air. The reason why I disregarded that idea is that you cannot use water in those pipes for fear of freezing. You need a frost proof liquid and that in Germany comes with some enviromental regulations which I didn´t want to deal with. Also I have a air heat pump in my home and that works extremly efficient too. Using the air was just a litle bit less complicated. But your idea sounds very reasonable!

    • @AdityaMehendale
      @AdityaMehendale 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@MaxMakerChannel :( The reason you haven't heard it before is that I though of it myself (unfortunately after having installed my floor-heating). More from an engineering background, Seebeck/Peltier effect or "active ground" (instrumentation) or "counter-mass" (lithography) standpoint, this makes sense (acting upon the "other" side). I had seen another person use the waste-heat from their fridge to (slightly) warm their pantry, as inspiration. Perhaps worth some more thought :) It'll be quite some time before I take-on my next civil-engineering task!

    • @Dragonited
      @Dragonited 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@MaxMakerChannelNo risk of freezing if the pipes are bellow themaximum frost line. It wouldn't have been very far down since it's 80 cm here southern Sweden. The heated building on top would have been a good insulator as well. The footings are supposed to be bellow the frost liine anyway so you don't have ground that changes with the season that the building rests on.

    • @kameljoe21
      @kameljoe21 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@AdityaMehendale Not sure I understand what you mean. Yet I could see installing pipes 4 or 5 feet below the existing slab to loop in to the slab should last nearly most of the summer to keep the slab cool. The freeze protection is food grade glycol.
      You said 20cm of xps insulation? That is 8 inches. Until we find a better supplier for cheaper prices we are considering around 5cm of insulation. We have mild winters with a cold spell that last up to a few weeks.
      We are going to put more insulation into the walls and ceiling. Hot summers are a problem.
      I am looking for a combo of radiant heat and heat pump all in one type unit. That way the slab can stay warm yet if further heat is required it can be provided along with maximum cooling. The only problem with this is I supsect that you would need to install contact temp sensor or have in slab sensors. I am sure the wire would be fine yet if one would have to replace such a sensor how would that be done> Which is why I think contact sensors would be ideal.

    • @AdityaMehendale
      @AdityaMehendale 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@kameljoe21 Hi,
      (1) I eyeballed the foam at 00:08 and guesstimated it to be 20 cm - M|M later states it to be 12cm, and that is fine too; I have 17cm installed.
      (2) Cost for insulation is horrendous, but the cost of fuel even more so. If you calculate the payback-time, then sure 5cm pays back quicker; however if you calculate the total costs (including labor, resale value, and heating-costs) over a longer period - say 20yr, then the "excessive" insulation-layer makes sense.
      (3) This is not applicable if you have a thin (5 cm) insulation-pack; however, if you have a (ridiculously thick) insulation, then there is no downside to using the earth below your insulation as a cold-dump (assuming you use a heatpump). The ground shall get a few degrees colder, but the increased delta-T shall not impress the insulator. If the ground-temperature never goes below zero, you shall not need coolants other than tap-water. More valuably, during summer, the ground acts as a "free" airco - theoretically one could even generate power from dumping the summer-heat into the ground, but I digress...
      All this assumes that you are digging up your foundation to install insulation and floor-heating *anyway* and then there's just the incremental cost of a few 100 meter of tubing to install *below* the insulation (material cost being less than a few 100 monies) just as you do above it for floor-heating.

  • @Ludix147
    @Ludix147 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Will your heat pump also be able to cool? For when it's really hot in the summer.

    • @R5555.
      @R5555. 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I think today almost every heat pump is capable of doing that.

    • @MotoLen51
      @MotoLen51 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yes. For example, our heat pump can cool the floors, but if you cool too much the floor gets wet from condensation so there is a limit to its effectiveness. Also, the cold air then stays close to the floor, since it is heavier, so ideally you need fans to move the cool air around.

    • @jamesgregsy
      @jamesgregsy 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's also not that big of an issue where Max is building, there are some hot days but it rarely gets over 30°C in the summer.

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Yes it will! The heatpump only needs one valve I think that reverses a cooling circuit. But as @MotoLen51 said, if the floor is too cold, condensation and mold will form. There are charts that tell you how low you can go. In my home that limit was always at about 18°. At 18° I can easily cool the rooms down to 22° in summer. The roof adds heat and the floor takes it away. But that only works with good insulation. If the roof adds to much heat, the floor needs to be cooler and then you reach the condensation limit.

  • @fromaflafl2198
    @fromaflafl2198 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    what R ore U value do you achieve with this system and 12cm of foam. for a Concrete Slab with Radiant Heating i would have expect 30cm of eps foam

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Its about 0.23W/(m2k). This is XPS. If I had to do it again I would probably pick 14cm. Those extra 2cm only cost 2000€ and the work is the same.

    • @elbuggo
      @elbuggo 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@MaxMakerChannel There is a significant diminishing return on more insulation. If interested, watch: _How Much Spray Foam Insulation do I need? | The most popular question answered_

  • @KevinHorecka
    @KevinHorecka 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Is the condensation on the radiant heating line because you were running cold water through it? So it won't be an issue in normal use? What about if there was a power outage or something and the water was cool? Or what about during priming?

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      There were rain drops on the tubing. Later the same tubing will be filled with warm water, so there cannot be condensation. Also I don’t know if there can even be wet air around the tubes now that it is encased by concrete. If there is a power outage the water would not be flowing and just take on the temperature of the slab. You only get condensation when there is a temperature difference.

    • @KevinHorecka
      @KevinHorecka 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@MaxMakerChannel makes sense! Very cool video, thanks!

  • @procrastinator41
    @procrastinator41 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Is the perimeter (exterior) not sealed ?

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      No. No need.

    • @procrastinator41
      @procrastinator41 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@MaxMakerChannel That’s where water comes from ?

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@procrastinator41 The foam does not absorb moisture. Only the concrete could do that.

  • @blackeyes18ro
    @blackeyes18ro 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Why is that a radiant floor? The heating system will run with 20-30 degrees from the heat pump. Convection will be the major in the heat transfer.

  • @jtroulston6733
    @jtroulston6733 วันที่ผ่านมา

    men see this and say hell yeah @11:47

  • @andy_warb
    @andy_warb 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Out of interest... why are your plumbing fittings using imperial measurements and not metric? Really enjoying this series... I dream of having my own workshop one day (all though I'll be happy with a converted garage!)

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Oh that is extremly confusing here! The sewage plumbing is in milimeters. The water fittings are in inches, but the water pipes are in milimeters. And for pipes they only give you the outside diameter. But different manufacturers have different internal diameters which is the thing that really matters! So you always need to subtract the wall thickness for calculations. Also if you have a 1” fitting which would be 25.4mm, the inside dieamter is 30mm and the outside diameter is 33mm. So nothing really adds up.
      So your question why it is the way? I can only say because to be a plumber here you need to do a goverment mandated 3 year apprenticship and to own a plumbing company you need a additional 1 year master course. So its somewhat a closed society and they are difficult to change or innovate.

  • @kilerkai
    @kilerkai 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I wonder if the power troweling could be automated so that nobody would have to sit on these things throughout the night. Maybe just a really simple little Robot that stays within the confines of the slab, similar to a simple lawn mowing robot?

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Nice idea! There are so many things of this slab that could have been automated. I am thinking about a giant gantry crane that could have done the whole excavation. Then it could move on to do other jobs like adding the insulation and rebar and at least holding the radiant tubing coil for you.

    • @kilerkai
      @kilerkai 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@MaxMakerChannel let's develop it further and make an all-in-one solution. Big gantry crane with like 500 attachments with which it can do anything from excavating, stacking insulation, laying pipes, 3D-printing structures, etc. 😂

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @kilerkai Thats my thinking! Even just a mobile toolholder so if you lay a pipe on the foundation there is everything at reach for the worker. Lubricant, saw, tape measures and of course a arrow that marks the correct location. The robot could also have a mobile rain roof over the workers. A assistant.

  • @NavySturmGewehr
    @NavySturmGewehr 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How come you didn't use Uponor PEX-A? It has the single best connections for pex tubing.

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      This product is extremely uncommon here in Germany. Possibly its missing its certification? Uponor pipes exists, but they didn’t respond to my email so I went with a different manufacturer.

    • @NavySturmGewehr
      @NavySturmGewehr 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@MaxMakerChannel Unfortunate! Absolutely fantastic product, I wouldn't use anything else. I'm looking forward to more coverage on your shop and I may steal some ideas from you for my imaginary shop!

  • @Cutlerylover4life1
    @Cutlerylover4life1 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    anyone know of a foam product/system like this that is offered in the US?

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think Jackodur sells in the US as well.

  • @BikeJackass
    @BikeJackass 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The membrane looks like schluter membrane, I used that for my shower

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I had the same thought. There are a few shower membrane manufacturers here and they all look similar.

  • @alex98b627
    @alex98b627 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This looks like an amazing system!!
    Is that a few illegal immigrant workers who have been blurred out? Just curious (and being nosey)

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Not at all. This would only cause trouble long term. I stick to the rules and avoid stress that way.
      Germans are very scared about their privacy. For some reason many even blur their license plates when they upload a picture. Even when there is no information that you can get from it. Call it culture.

  • @TomsBackyardWorkshop
    @TomsBackyardWorkshop 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How much did you pay for that erector set?

  • @u_solutions_lv
    @u_solutions_lv 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What is load capacity of the floor?

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Not exactly sure but good enough for 40ton trucks if I remember correctly.

    • @u_solutions_lv
      @u_solutions_lv 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@MaxMakerChannel I am looking doing similar facility in coming years, but we have CNC machinery, Some machines require special slab pour, other neeeds just specified load capacity.

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@u_solutions_lv I saw some big machines that were installed. They needed 50cm deep foundations. Crazy stuff. 20cm is enough for most things I think. The rebar also matters a lot.

    • @u_solutions_lv
      @u_solutions_lv 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@MaxMakerChannel where we rent now, we have 30-35cm solid pour

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@u_solutions_lv Wow. The material prices are so high at the moment that every little bit counts.

  • @clementclarisseclemen3d708
    @clementclarisseclemen3d708 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm quite astonished that there's no control cracks on your slab for avoid the unwanted ones...
    Did you use fibers in the concrete mix ?
    Also, i've saw that you look for hire someone in full-time job in your workshop but i guess it's required to speak german very well is'nt it ?

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I was surprised as well but the technical drawings specified that they are not needed and that cracks are taken into account. I hope the roof will be up before the really hot summer days that can happen here.
      Yes I am looking for someone. English or German would both work fine, but I think this is a job for some local that wants to live in Lübeck long term. Its a nice place anyway.

  • @wboumans
    @wboumans 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So floor heating... What's so special?

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Nor sure if its special but its the best. The heat is concentrated on the ground and it makes no noise.

  • @Seanlabor
    @Seanlabor 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You could have used a ziptie gun: th-cam.com/video/qgUhJ0kBteU/w-d-xo.html.
    How much energy from heating the concrete slab is lost to the ground, compared to heating up the building above?

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I think very very little now. If I remember correctly maybe 1000Wats vs 11000W for the rest of the building at -11°C.

  • @nothingtoseehere93
    @nothingtoseehere93 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Meanwhile in America they still build houses with concrete right on the dirt lol. It’s like America still builds houses from 1930

  • @Simqer
    @Simqer วันที่ผ่านมา

    Just a small correction, that's not radiant heating, that is conduction heating to the floors, which will heat the room with convection heating.

  • @chrispy3866
    @chrispy3866 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What horrible quality control on that piping. I have never heard of such horrible tolerances. I would most certainly complain to your vender, and the manufacturer themselves. That is completely unacceptable!

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I agree it shouldn´t happen. The manufacturer told me he would compensate me. So far I got no payment. We will see. The manufacturer said that the pipes are wound on a coil and when two lines cross each others there can be tension and that pulls the pipe through to fast or to slow. Anyway I think its something you can controll with a better process.

  • @Deiphobuzz
    @Deiphobuzz 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    As an installer.. man the UFH is poorly layed out. Should be 150mm apart everywhere tbh. This wil have many cold spots.

  • @hillppari
    @hillppari 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Never diy a building this size. just pay a professional

    • @jacketpotato2058
      @jacketpotato2058 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Do you even know what this channel is about? 🤣

    • @rotors_taker_0h
      @rotors_taker_0h 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      He is paying to himself, yeah.

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      I had concrete people for the concrete part! And the outer shell will be done by a steel building manufacturer. I only do the planning, management and some smaller jobs thar require thinking rather than labour. Since I had Covid I didn´t quite recover and tire really easily. So I need to limit my physical work. Its called Long Covid.
      Anyway, I will install the heat pump and do the whole indoor framing and plumbing for the office and the bathrooms.

    • @QRCCD1999
      @QRCCD1999 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@MaxMakerChannel Hi,
      Just as I was reading this I was watching today's TV news. They were doing clinical trials for Long Covid sufferers with Naltrexone in Australia at the moment.
      Hope you find a solution to your issue.

    • @MaxMakerChannel
      @MaxMakerChannel  13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@QRCCD1999 thanks for your message. Yeah there are some studies going on, but its far to slow and low priority in all medical systems. 4 years later we still know almost nothing about it. Most that have Long Covid have completely normal blood tests. So its almost impossible to even diagnose.