@@epicphail2926 I don't even watch Doctor Who and I know that the TARDIS is a police box not a phone booth. Also, for what its worth, The Wire used a lot of phone booths in season 1.
Normally, I hate flashbacks. They don't usually add anything much, since a well-told story (which this was, for the most part) tells you everything you need to know about the characters without giving you a lot of backstory. This worked. They started West Wing after Bartlet became President, with all these relationships already established, and it was worth going back to tell us how it all started, and how they came to be so devoted to Jed Bartlet--and to each other. How they became a team. These are talented people who can do very well for themselves. But they want to do better than well. They want to do good. The show was never about Jed Bartlet. It was about the people behind the scenes, who do most of the day to day running of the country, but need somebody to unite around, somebody who appreciates what they're capable of, and will allow them do do it. As the idiots on this board will never do for Sam. They only want to do well. They don't care about good. Somebody has to.
That this senior partner doesn't know what he has in Sam is proof that being smart or good at your job has little to do with why a good many people reach the top of their profession. Trust me, this is especially true at law firms.
It’s true in call centres too. Us agents take the calls, get measured for our stats, Get regular random quality inspections Get paid the least. We deal with the customers which is the main purpose of call centres, we answer their questions, deal with their stupidity, rudeness and selfishness, we give them the bad news and sometimes listen to their abuse. We also work equal or longer hours than managers and definitely harder hours. When we put a customer on hold to ask a manger for help, they make you wait while they finish their social chat, they don’t get up from their desk to look at your computer, they take a long time to give an answer when they give one at all, often they just ask you to ask another manager after minutes of thinking and asking us questions that wouldn’t be necessary if they looked at my screen. Then if their answer is wrong or they fail to do something for a customer that I’ve said they will do because I cannot do it myself because agents aren’t allowed (eg sending out bespoke emails to customers, or listening to calls past recorded to settle a discrepancy between the agent and customer) us agents get the blame because there’s evidence we were on the policy and our calls recorded but no evidenc that a manager and which one told us to do. Today with a call que of 30 customers I saw four managers in a circle chatting socially (these managers can and do take calls like us when it’s busy or when the operations manager is around) and had my hand raised for 3 mins before I had enough and went over to interrupt. And they get paid more than us, get more privileges and trust than us even though some of the managers can’t take calls or answer questions about the product we sell because they were hired externally as managers and not promoted from the agents within. Edit: wow that just went on and on, unintentionally. Didn’t mean to rant, I guess the point I’m making is corporate world is based on survival of the friendliest. People that get emotionally invested in their customers outcome to the point they get angry at their colleagues and managers for not caring enough or working hard enough tend not to be promoted. I understand why…. They’re unpleasant to be around. They care more about the customer than the company. If you’re capable of being mean to your colleagues and mean to your managers because you think you’re right and justified, then it’s fair to assume you’d treat your subordinates in a less than nurturing manner. Which could lead many of them to quit or just dislike you which makes for a bad team dynamic/atmosphere.
Well that works both ways...a double edged sword. There's a maturing and educational process. A mentor relationship. Being young, smart, and talented is not all it takes, especially at the top levels, either in government or in private industry. Unlike the movies or television, people usually don't leap in to senior positions 3 years out of college. The talent makes a commitment and in turn is mentored and seasoned. There's an obligation.
Absolutely true! I'd like to start a planetary campaign to have TWW back! (maybe Sam Seaborn President, Charlie Young Deputy Chief Of Staff, some of the staff from The Newsroom, Josh Lyman Senate Majority Leader... and so on)
@@greenjedi8 The opening 8 minutes of the series "The Newsroom" is pretty dam awesome. It's also written by Aaron Sorkin. If you haven't seen it, it's available on the HBO Max streaming service.
TWW is like Camelot to me. A possibility. An ideal to aspire to. I was watching a movie the other day about the trial of the Chicago 7. I was marveling at the quality of the writing and was pleasantly surprised to see Aaron Sorkin's name come up in the credits!
That senior parter must have spent the next 4 years saying to his buddies: “See that speech the president gave?” “Yeah?” “I had the chance to make the man who wrote that a partner in my firm but I let him go because I wanted to get my client a VLCC but he was worried that the ship wasn’t safe enough and pressured the clients to pay extra for a better safer ship” “Well you had no choice it seems, he was out of his mind” “Yeah” “So the cheaper ship it was….at least it worked out okey for your clients?” *looks awkward*
@@bayareablues2255 No, this was aired in October of 2000 which means it was probably filmed between July and September of 2000. And I say that because Verizon didn't become a thing until June of 2000 and if you assume they rolled out their brand on phone booths IMMEDIATELY, it still would've taken a little time to physically do. But the episode itself is meant to have taken place in 1998, two years BEFORE the events of "What Kind of Day Has It Been?" (the season 1 finale) - when Verizon didn't yet exist (as a name) but was still Bell Atlantic. Yes, I do acknowledge I'm a giant nerd for this entire response.
@@@annoyedbysignups I'm pretty sure I was making a snarky, sarcastic comment on the quality of the video as presented by dpagerboy. It looks like a cellphone recording of a TV screen. But I appreciate your knowledge of phone geekiness! ;-)
I’d say that it is part of the point. Josh was so excited to see the real thing that NOTHING else mattered to him and he wanted nothing more than to go SAVE Sam (who he knew was in exactly the same place as he was “desperate to do something that matter and that he could be proud of)
...and this was in 1999............I remember copying an article that I pulled off the internet in 1998. I still have it actually. "205 arguments and observations in support of naturism". The version that I copied took 46 pages and is still in the 10" x 14" PADDED mailing envelope that I stored it in way back in June of 1998.
A bit more: Sam's law firm was legal counsel to a company buying ocean vessels. The boats (ships :)) were apparently old, subpar and lacking features such as modern navigational equipment, and so the law firm was also creating some kind of legal liability shield so that when the ships hit things or caused damage, the company purchasing them would not be held liable. That strategy was weighing on Sam's conscience; he figured the company could pay more money now, up front, and by better ships, thus avoiding the risks of damage that would have to be paid for later. Sam's boss and the client certainly didn't want to hear that, right on the edge of completing the purchase.
guys opposite Sam were buying oil tankers, Sam's company on his side of the table were the attorneys they hired. Sam did some legal junk to protect them in case the old ships they were buying wrecked and spilled oil. Despite protecting them from legal action, Sam was trying to convince them not to actually buy the old ships, but to buy newer, safer ships. Later on in the series while Sam is working at the white house, one of the ships does wreck.
I vote Republican 75% of the time. And I love this show. And especially nowadays when the Trailer Park is in charge of one side, and the over-Woke Snobs just love losing elections for the other side.....and so many people can't follow a concept beyond "Hmu Netflix and chill" I so badly wish - I even find myself pretending - that Josh and Sam and Toby and CJ and President Bartlett are running the show. I miss the decency. The thoughtfulness. And we're really screwed for the next few election cycles. Imagine: The current environment - is responsible for little things like reforming Medicare and Social Security. Managing A.I and it's effect on workers...... yeah, this is really gonna be good.
Trouble is - the Trans Taliban, the they/them Taliban has taken over the Left and the condescending attitude - turns off voters who would BENEFIT from a Democrat governance. Ok just between us girls...... Governor Breshear, Kentucky. 2024 - if he was nominee, and not owned by the TransTaliban and extremes..... he could not only win, but win a governing mandate. And it would be just in time for social security and medicare reform, and re-tooling the country for an A.I world. from America to London to Paris to Mumbai - you have the same Whole Foods vs Cracker Barrel civil war taking place. What I just proposed.....would constitute a win.
Democrats have done nothing but dominate elections for 18 months. All you wish for is the clowns stop running GOP so you guys can go back to downplaying your racism, homophobia and misogyny because it's now more overt than almost ever
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Sam's 3rd "yeah" might be my favorite moment from the series. The pure belief.
3:27 when you're leaving a job you hate lmao
My favorite part. "Not gonna need that"
I love Josh's little wave at the end to a roomful of people he doesn't even know: "See ya'!"
I love this scene. It’s so underrated.
The last phone booth ever seen in a television show.
not true in 2004 law and order svu had a phone booth
Person of Interest had all types of Phone Booths
Doctor Who? 🥴🥴
@@epicphail2926 I don't even watch Doctor Who and I know that the TARDIS is a police box not a phone booth. Also, for what its worth, The Wire used a lot of phone booths in season 1.
The movie "Phone Booth" literally came out 2 years after this episode.
Normally, I hate flashbacks. They don't usually add anything much, since a well-told story (which this was, for the most part) tells you everything you need to know about the characters without giving you a lot of backstory.
This worked. They started West Wing after Bartlet became President, with all these relationships already established, and it was worth going back to tell us how it all started, and how they came to be so devoted to Jed Bartlet--and to each other. How they became a team. These are talented people who can do very well for themselves. But they want to do better than well. They want to do good. The show was never about Jed Bartlet. It was about the people behind the scenes, who do most of the day to day running of the country, but need somebody to unite around, somebody who appreciates what they're capable of, and will allow them do do it. As the idiots on this board will never do for Sam. They only want to do well. They don't care about good. Somebody has to.
That this senior partner doesn't know what he has in Sam is proof that being smart or good at your job has little to do with why a good many people reach the top of their profession. Trust me, this is especially true at law firms.
It’s true in call centres too.
Us agents take the calls,
get measured for our stats,
Get regular random quality inspections
Get paid the least.
We deal with the customers which is the main purpose of call centres, we answer their questions, deal with their stupidity, rudeness and selfishness, we give them the bad news and sometimes listen to their abuse.
We also work equal or longer hours than managers and definitely harder hours.
When we put a customer on hold to ask a manger for help, they make you wait while they finish their social chat, they don’t get up from their desk to look at your computer, they take a long time to give an answer when they give one at all, often they just ask you to ask another manager after minutes of thinking and asking us questions that wouldn’t be necessary if they looked at my screen.
Then if their answer is wrong or they fail to do something for a customer that I’ve said they will do because I cannot do it myself because agents aren’t allowed (eg sending out bespoke emails to customers, or listening to calls past recorded to settle a discrepancy between the agent and customer) us agents get the blame because there’s evidence we were on the policy and our calls recorded but no evidenc that a manager and which one told us to do.
Today with a call que of 30 customers I saw four managers in a circle chatting socially (these managers can and do take calls like us when it’s busy or when the operations manager is around) and had my hand raised for 3 mins before I had enough and went over to interrupt.
And they get paid more than us, get more privileges and trust than us even though some of the managers can’t take calls or answer questions about the product we sell because they were hired externally as managers and not promoted from the agents within.
Edit: wow that just went on and on, unintentionally.
Didn’t mean to rant, I guess the point I’m making is corporate world is based on survival of the friendliest. People that get emotionally invested in their customers outcome to the point they get angry at their colleagues and managers for not caring enough or working hard enough tend not to be promoted. I understand why….
They’re unpleasant to be around.
They care more about the customer than the company.
If you’re capable of being mean to your colleagues and mean to your managers because you think you’re right and justified, then it’s fair to assume you’d treat your subordinates in a less than nurturing manner. Which could lead many of them to quit or just dislike you which makes for a bad team dynamic/atmosphere.
I don’t know you, how can I trust you? 😉
Well that works both ways...a double edged sword. There's a maturing and educational process. A mentor relationship. Being young, smart, and talented is not all it takes, especially at the top levels, either in government or in private industry. Unlike the movies or television, people usually don't leap in to senior positions 3 years out of college. The talent makes a commitment and in turn is mentored and seasoned. There's an obligation.
And THAT is how you choose to be the greater fool. Those who know Sorkin know what I'm talking about.
The *GREATEST* show in the _HISTORY_ of television.
Absolutely true! I'd like to start a planetary campaign to have TWW back! (maybe Sam Seaborn President, Charlie Young Deputy Chief Of Staff, some of the staff from The Newsroom, Josh Lyman Senate Majority Leader... and so on)
It's not even up for debate
@@greenjedi8 The opening 8 minutes of the series "The Newsroom" is pretty dam awesome. It's also written by Aaron Sorkin. If you haven't seen it, it's available on the HBO Max streaming service.
Easily
Hmmn. The Sopranos might challenge that.
Sam's going to have more pull than anyone in that room
TWW is like Camelot to me. A possibility. An ideal to aspire to. I was watching a movie the other day about the trial of the Chicago 7. I was marveling at the quality of the writing and was pleasantly surprised to see Aaron Sorkin's name come up in the credits!
TWW might as well be Atlantis at this point
Great scene from a great series.
That senior parter must have spent the next 4 years saying to his buddies:
“See that speech the president gave?”
“Yeah?”
“I had the chance to make the man who wrote that a partner in my firm but I let him go because I wanted to get my client a VLCC but he was worried that the ship wasn’t safe enough and pressured the clients to pay extra for a better safer ship”
“Well you had no choice it seems, he was out of his mind”
“Yeah”
“So the cheaper ship it was….at least it worked out okey for your clients?”
*looks awkward*
Probably my favorite scene ever of the West Wing.
The poker face. Magic. Sam as a conscious lawyer. One in a million 😀
I really love Josh and Sam.
That motion enhance shit... remember when every TV had that set as a default? What a weird few years
Am I the only one who loves those dimples? ♥️♥️
His coworkers must have been like "this man is going to get fired".
Damn I miss this show!
Buy a better boat!
Well, at least he didn't say "we're gonna need a bigger boat".😂😂🦈
TV goof: A Verizon payphone in what would've been 1998.
Is that what this was recorded on?
@@bayareablues2255 No, this was aired in October of 2000 which means it was probably filmed between July and September of 2000. And I say that because Verizon didn't become a thing until June of 2000 and if you assume they rolled out their brand on phone booths IMMEDIATELY, it still would've taken a little time to physically do. But the episode itself is meant to have taken place in 1998, two years BEFORE the events of "What Kind of Day Has It Been?" (the season 1 finale) - when Verizon didn't yet exist (as a name) but was still Bell Atlantic. Yes, I do acknowledge I'm a giant nerd for this entire response.
@@@annoyedbysignups I'm pretty sure I was making a snarky, sarcastic comment on the quality of the video as presented by dpagerboy. It looks like a cellphone recording of a TV screen. But I appreciate your knowledge of phone geekiness! ;-)
Sam where you going? off the deep end apparently
"It doesn't feel like I have your full attention." = The Social Network th-cam.com/video/VKnNUYknsuQ/w-d-xo.html Yet another good 'Sorkinism'...
It’s so depressing that this show circles the actual fucking problem soooooo many times yet never actually addresses it.
Josh and Sam have been waiting their whole adult lives for someone to believe in - Sam knows what finding that looks like.
made a silent version??
No matter how Josh Lyman got to NYC, there are many ways to get an umbrella
Airport. Penn Station. Grand Central Station.
I’d say that it is part of the point. Josh was so excited to see the real thing that NOTHING else mattered to him and he wanted nothing more than to go SAVE Sam (who he knew was in exactly the same place as he was “desperate to do something that matter and that he could be proud of)
"I just pulled these off the internet last night" haha so dated.
...and this was in 1999............I remember copying an article that I pulled off the internet in 1998. I still have it actually.
"205 arguments and observations in support of naturism". The version that I copied took 46 pages and is still in the 10" x 14" PADDED mailing envelope that I stored it in way back in June of 1998.
nudist0885, history in an envelope. Don't lose it.
Now it's, "I just found these on my phone while you were talking"
People still have to "pull articles from the Web" in grade school, high school, and sometimes college. It's not as dated as you think.
@@nudist0885 Why am I not surprised that someone with "nudist" in his/her username researched naturism 20+ years ago?
Wheres leo mcgarry?
New Hampshire
so, who wants to explain the scene? what was going on in the meeting? what were they arguing about?
Sam was trying to convince them to buy a better ship. More expensive but much safer.
@@Tazdingo01 Yep, and make sure you remember that, because it comes up later in season 2 during a conversation Sam has with Ainsley.
A bit more: Sam's law firm was legal counsel to a company buying ocean vessels. The boats (ships :)) were apparently old, subpar and lacking features such as modern navigational equipment, and so the law firm was also creating some kind of legal liability shield so that when the ships hit things or caused damage, the company purchasing them would not be held liable. That strategy was weighing on Sam's conscience; he figured the company could pay more money now, up front, and by better ships, thus avoiding the risks of damage that would have to be paid for later. Sam's boss and the client certainly didn't want to hear that, right on the edge of completing the purchase.
@@galileo228 Specifically, they were buying oil tankers
guys opposite Sam were buying oil tankers, Sam's company on his side of the table were the attorneys they hired. Sam did some legal junk to protect them in case the old ships they were buying wrecked and spilled oil. Despite protecting them from legal action, Sam was trying to convince them not to actually buy the old ships, but to buy newer, safer ships. Later on in the series while Sam is working at the white house, one of the ships does wreck.
I vote Republican 75% of the time. And I love this show. And especially nowadays when the Trailer Park is in charge of one side, and the over-Woke Snobs just love losing elections for the other side.....and so many people can't follow a concept beyond "Hmu Netflix and chill" I so badly wish - I even find myself pretending - that Josh and Sam and Toby and CJ and President Bartlett are running the show. I miss the decency. The thoughtfulness. And we're really screwed for the next few election cycles. Imagine: The current environment - is responsible for little things like reforming Medicare and Social Security. Managing A.I and it's effect on workers...... yeah, this is really gonna be good.
You are a principled Republican! I wish the clown car had not taken over your party!
Trouble is - the Trans Taliban, the they/them Taliban has taken over the Left and the condescending attitude - turns off voters who would BENEFIT from a Democrat governance. Ok just between us girls...... Governor Breshear, Kentucky. 2024 - if he was nominee, and not owned by the TransTaliban and extremes..... he could not only win, but win a governing mandate. And it would be just in time for social security and medicare reform, and re-tooling the country for an A.I world. from America to London to Paris to Mumbai - you have the same Whole Foods vs Cracker Barrel civil war taking place. What I just proposed.....would constitute a win.
Anyone under 80 in 2024
Democrats have done nothing but dominate elections for 18 months. All you wish for is the clowns stop running GOP so you guys can go back to downplaying your racism, homophobia and misogyny because it's now more overt than almost ever
@@heyboo4764 yea because GOP was such a stand-up party before 2016...
A liberal snake pit
Sam’s a liberal though.
Liberal snakes are the best snakes