Glad matrix skates finally get mentioned in a video somewhere. Just recently got the Mach line of matrix skates for almost 30% off brand new and the value for it is insane
Appears that Bauer have made there power range of skate have more agility. Looks like they have taken inspiration from the hyperlite and made it like a hybrid between the Mach and the hyperlite
@@senkotwo8198 can’t see it because the type of skate you purchased was based upon your foot shape not its boots characteristics. Back then a wide or high volume skate profile user would have had to use a nexus because they had zero chance of squeezing in a vapour even if it was double EE widths
I saw these the other day at Pure Hockey and they are pretty sick, would be nice if the prices stopped creeping up $150 with each new skate tho. I get it that its the top line skate.
As you said in a previous video, a lot of elite top skates are reviewed here but not enough of the lower price range categories. I am glad to see a video of the Bauer Shadow but from the previous video on the CCM XF Pro I was expecting more videos on the other new models or the Tacks line with a video on the XF (that you said being enough for some players) or even the XF 90. So please, can you make studio videos and detailed presentations of the features from these skates ? 😁 A video on the Bauer Matrix would be appreciated too to understand what features are behind this hybrid pair of skates ! 🤩 And continue mate, like your videos ! 👍🏻
I never said we would stop doing elite first. We need to (bread and butter content). Those videos are coming but you'll see the difference in views and comments vs a video like this. Once all the new elite level skates are done. I will do a series on the lower price point skates. One more new elite skate to be uploaded... Then we can start on True, CCM and lower price point skates. Matrix is the only Bauer one we have, so we won't be looking at the other models below the Shadow. The other 2 brands, we will !
I really wanna hear some feedback on the new toe cap. The new design eliminates a set of eyelets thus forcing the start of the laces back up on the instep further. In theory that reduces ability to tie them for preference at the lower part of the foot. So if you have a weird foot or two different size feet like most, that could be a poor fit in that area of the boot.
I just got fit into Shadows and I'm in the both 'weird foot' and 'two sizes' categories. Born with a clubbed right foot and it's 2+ sizes different. Haven't felt any worry about not having enough eyelets down low, even with the smaller foot. I think if you're fit into the skate properly, you should be fine. Though, I'll see as I really test these over the next few weeks.
I like the Mach skates a bit more. Another thing i wish Bauer would do is put a more durrable material between the toe box and the quarter package. I wish they would use vulcanized rubber. That is one of the first areas to get trashed on skates and honestly whatever material bauer is using in that zone looks cheap.
I don’t understand why every reviewer is calling the Shadow Tongue new. My pair of Machs also has the PowerCoil Tongue, it looks exactly the same as the Shadow Tongue, and in all of Bauer’s literature they don’t say it’s a new tongue. From my understanding, the Tongue, boot construction, liner, and tendon guard are all the same. Can you clarify?
I love my Mach’s but have to say these are really nice. Not a fan of the Fly holder but I believe these are lighter than the Machs. They look even better in person.
Lets be honest. Every skater is different every foot is different. Every persons stride is different. Thats why you have to try them on. I live in Michigan which is hockey mecca between here and Minnesota. We have so many different stores to purchase skates but i see so many people just purchase skates online without trying anything on. Feeling the toecap feeling the comfort lacing them up and walking around. I love these skates but the majority of people would not need these skates they would be fine with the M 30 or M 40 step downs etc. they would probably not even know the difference. Someone above made a comment about only elite players recognizing a difference in performance of the shadows vs machs vs any of ccms line or true etc. and that is true I've been with hockey for over 20 years at varying levels from varsity level to junior and amateur and above. Hockey tech has come a long way since the 90s but one thing that will never change is that you can purchase the most expensive gear you want it wont change how you play if you aren't at that level already. The tech just makes it easier to accomplish and more comfortable to do it. Btw if you are an adult beginner i would suggest getting a mid tier skate and a 13' profile. Youll definitely thank me.
The rivet bulge has ruined the last generation of skates for me. I went to my closest shop last week and tried on the XF Pros and felt no discomfort despite them only having the Regular fit (I need Wide). They offered to order some Wide fits for me to try on, and I decided to try the Shadows on first because the rivet bulge was supposedly corrected. It's definitely better, but the bulge is still there, just in a different spot. Waiting on my Wide XFs to come in, Bauers just don't fit me anymore. Two sets of Bauer Bladetech runners to replace now :(
all these are super excellent materials, but there are shortcomings because they did not solve the problem with the connection of the cap and the shoe. Let's take a look at the knife holder, which is lighter and looks great, but the downside is that the plastic in the middle breaks after a while. I don't understand why they changed the design of the knife, i.e. its grooves so that the old knives don't fit on the new skate!
Two questions for y'all: 1) has anyone tried those blades they're advertising half way through and can you notice any "pop" from the toe blade as claimed? 2) Has anyone tried switching out the tongue for a softer kinda more old school white felt one? I despised the carbon tongue on the machs the last two seasons, could never get used to them; love em one day, felt weird the next if I didnt tie em the exact same...I ended up re tieing them on the bench between every shift... Thanks in advance!
I tried the shadows… went with Machs for half the price…. I think one thing about the reflex tongue is that if you are a tucker I don’t think it feels quite right almost too stiff cause it can’t move. Feels a lot better if you flop and the can feel that flex in the stride.
Totally fair. For half the price I would do the same. Mach were a great skate for sure. These just have some nice upgrades (I sound like a Bauer fan boy now)
@@HockeyTutorialOfficial no doubt the shadow skates do feel even better molded then machs. Not sure I am sold on power fly holder… almost too stiff for me…. And well does any of this make me a better skater ? At this point probably not….. my fear for these skates is people buy them cause they are top end but they are really quite stiff. Matrix seem like a nice compromise.
I recently picked up a pair of Machs as well on sale. I bought some mid level vapors a couple years agin, but couldn’t pass up the Machs at the sale price. So far, after skating on them a couple times, they are fantastic.
@jasonmitchell6105 People need to understand that the top end skates like the Shadow, Hyperlite 2, FT6 Pro, XF Pro are meant for those who are top-level hockey players. They're gonna be stiffer, which makes them tougher to use for newer players, but also allows pros to make powerful and precise movements.
@@Pokemonmaster150b I’ve said the same thing to a number of people. I have the Machs, but I’m 38 years old and have been skating since I was 5. I’ve played with guys in beer league who clearly are newer skaters who are using hyperlites or Machs or the comparable CCMs. The skate is far too technical for them and they would probably be better off with a softer more forgiving skate.
Help me understand this. Generally the more stiff a skate the higher end it is. That’s been the philosophy for a long time now. Lighter and ridged=higher end skates. It makes sense the way it’s explained. Energy out from the foot should be close to the same energy out through the blade and onto the ice that way there is as little energy lost through dampening of less ridged materials. Energy in=energy out. So about this blade you market, in the toe it has give and dampens both the step onto the ice as well as the push off as the skate leaves the ice, would this dampening effect create a loss of energy? Wouldn’t the blade take away from all the high end qualities the skate is designed with? Reminds me of the marsblade. Seems like a flexible blade would have the same effect of a cheap flexible boot material
Is there a reson for not mentioning the forward pitch when doing the videos on skates? As I understand it, True skates are pitched more forward than other manufacturers skatelines, but there could even be a difference in pitch between lines from an individual manufacturer. Though Tia might be a matter of the design of the holder, I still think it is an important area that should not be overlooked. Especially when talking about comfort in skating position and responsiveness on the ice.
I just got these a few days ago and I have used them once and they feel so much different then the m5 pros and machs when I went to get skates I was going to get the Mach’s but didn’t have any in my size so tryed these and so far don’t like them but I haven’t used them much yet but so far I would say the m5 pros and machs from last year are better but this is my take and having the shadows for not even a week yet I’ll be on the ice more in a week so I’ll see if I change my mind on these. They look cool tho
These are nice but the ft6 pro is next level good, it’s definitely the biggest skate improvement. The ft4 pros were nowhere near as good as the ft2s but the ft6 pros are leaps and bounds better then bith
They’re different skates meant for different skaters. I bought a pair of vapor 3x about 2;years ago after skating in grafs for a couple decades. Recently went to the Bauer Machs. While the vapors fit my foot fine, the Mach is better for my skating style. I started the rip the tendon guard at the base on the vapor where the Machs have a flexible tendon guard. Basically, I was extending out to far in my strides for the vapors.
@hockeytutorialofficial Why is nobody commenting on Bauer (and CCM), the whole company, being for sale right now (was leaked a month ago that they are for sale, CCM process started a while ago)? These private equity investors are ruining all the great companies and makes me wonder if Bauer is going to be another casualty. Lot's of questions lately on stick breakage, skate features breaking, etc. Is Bauer going to stand behind all these newer, higher-priced products under new ownership?
I don't know if this is a subject people want to hear about ? Plus there's a lot of uncertainty! I have a lot of thoughts but I need to be careful about what I say :p There's a lot about how brands have changed and how they interact online that I don't like. But I don't want to moan or help to divide people. Not sure what to do here..
I normally prefer to leave that out and let stores that sell the skates do that. It’s subjective. What blade is on the skate ? What insole ? What size is the boot ? These are 871grams with bladetech DLC. Skate box size 7.5. Hope that helps 🤷🏾♂️
@@HockeyTutorialOfficial Thx, exactly what I’m curious about. I’m more comparing them with the CCMs that came out. The weight isn’t as important as the comparison against other top end models.
Yes but not exactly the same. it was constructed from black felt and didn’t feel anywhere near as “springy” as the new one. Better look and felts better on ice.
Yet another pair of expensive skates from Bauer which are essentially the same as the old but with hyped features and a new colour scheme. Plus they have almost zero mouldability, so if you have Bauer shaped feet, they’re great, otherwise nope. If anyone thinks these so called features are important, ask yourself why so many top level players stick with their old skates. In my opinion what matters most is comfort and fit. When I went from Bauer Custom to True TF9, my skating improved dramatically. I could suddenly do drills I had been practicing for years, and failed to master. Perhaps the Trues are superior. but I suspect it’s because the TF9 are much more comfortable and a much better fit. The Bauers hurt my toes as they were too narrow, and there was no support round the ankles. Choose skates that fit you, whatever the brand, ignore the hype.
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Glad matrix skates finally get mentioned in a video somewhere. Just recently got the Mach line of matrix skates for almost 30% off brand new and the value for it is insane
Unreal value !
When is your review of the Matrix skates coming out?@@HockeyTutorialOfficial
Hey could you make XF Pros vs Shadows?
The prices are absolutely getting outta hand!
Absolutely!
I love my matrix skates, so I'm glad to see you checking em out finally.
Appears that Bauer have made there power range of skate have more agility. Looks like they have taken inspiration from the hyperlite and made it like a hybrid between the Mach and the hyperlite
Apparently the Shadows are a mix between the Machs and the discontinued Nexus line of skates
@@senkotwo8198 can’t see it because the type of skate you purchased was based upon your foot shape not its boots characteristics. Back then a wide or high volume skate profile user would have had to use a nexus because they had zero chance of squeezing in a vapour even if it was double EE widths
@@harrisonlillis9377 that’s what my local pro shop said. Bauer told them to when they delivered the new skates that they’re a mix of Machs and nexus
I saw these the other day at Pure Hockey and they are pretty sick, would be nice if the prices stopped creeping up $150 with each new skate tho. I get it that its the top line skate.
Another Great Video !
Cheers !!
🏒🏒😎👍🌴☀️🏒🏒
I’ve been using these for few weeks. Absolutely worth the money if you’re a high level skater and have means to buy these I would recommend them.
Bauer Shadow vs CCM XF Pro , I'm a Bauer fan, but CCM wins this time.
Oooooo on ice ? Or studio or both!
Both please
Both
Wait why
for the look, not sure on ice
As you said in a previous video, a lot of elite top skates are reviewed here but not enough of the lower price range categories. I am glad to see a video of the Bauer Shadow but from the previous video on the CCM XF Pro I was expecting more videos on the other new models or the Tacks line with a video on the XF (that you said being enough for some players) or even the XF 90. So please, can you make studio videos and detailed presentations of the features from these skates ? 😁 A video on the Bauer Matrix would be appreciated too to understand what features are behind this hybrid pair of skates ! 🤩 And continue mate, like your videos ! 👍🏻
I never said we would stop doing elite first. We need to (bread and butter content). Those videos are coming but you'll see the difference in views and comments vs a video like this. Once all the new elite level skates are done. I will do a series on the lower price point skates. One more new elite skate to be uploaded... Then we can start on True, CCM and lower price point skates. Matrix is the only Bauer one we have, so we won't be looking at the other models below the Shadow. The other 2 brands, we will !
I really wanna hear some feedback on the new toe cap. The new design eliminates a set of eyelets thus forcing the start of the laces back up on the instep further. In theory that reduces ability to tie them for preference at the lower part of the foot. So if you have a weird foot or two different size feet like most, that could be a poor fit in that area of the boot.
I just got fit into Shadows and I'm in the both 'weird foot' and 'two sizes' categories. Born with a clubbed right foot and it's 2+ sizes different. Haven't felt any worry about not having enough eyelets down low, even with the smaller foot. I think if you're fit into the skate properly, you should be fine. Though, I'll see as I really test these over the next few weeks.
I like the Mach skates a bit more. Another thing i wish Bauer would do is put a more durrable material between the toe box and the quarter package. I wish they would use vulcanized rubber. That is one of the first areas to get trashed on skates and honestly whatever material bauer is using in that zone looks cheap.
I don’t understand why every reviewer is calling the Shadow Tongue new. My pair of Machs also has the PowerCoil Tongue, it looks exactly the same as the Shadow Tongue, and in all of Bauer’s literature they don’t say it’s a new tongue. From my understanding, the Tongue, boot construction, liner, and tendon guard are all the same. Can you clarify?
Couldn't agree more regarding blade tech
I love the blacked out look for sure. But the yellow in my M5 pros is just right and better imo.
I love my Mach’s but have to say these are really nice. Not a fan of the Fly holder but I believe these are lighter than the Machs. They look even better in person.
Lets be honest. Every skater is different every foot is different. Every persons stride is different. Thats why you have to try them on. I live in Michigan which is hockey mecca between here and Minnesota. We have so many different stores to purchase skates but i see so many people just purchase skates online without trying anything on. Feeling the toecap feeling the comfort lacing them up and walking around. I love these skates but the majority of people would not need these skates they would be fine with the M 30 or M 40 step downs etc. they would probably not even know the difference. Someone above made a comment about only elite players recognizing a difference in performance of the shadows vs machs vs any of ccms line or true etc. and that is true I've been with hockey for over 20 years at varying levels from varsity level to junior and amateur and above. Hockey tech has come a long way since the 90s but one thing that will never change is that you can purchase the most expensive gear you want it wont change how you play if you aren't at that level already. The tech just makes it easier to accomplish and more comfortable to do it. Btw if you are an adult beginner i would suggest getting a mid tier skate and a 13' profile. Youll definitely thank me.
The rivet bulge has ruined the last generation of skates for me. I went to my closest shop last week and tried on the XF Pros and felt no discomfort despite them only having the Regular fit (I need Wide). They offered to order some Wide fits for me to try on, and I decided to try the Shadows on first because the rivet bulge was supposedly corrected. It's definitely better, but the bulge is still there, just in a different spot. Waiting on my Wide XFs to come in, Bauers just don't fit me anymore. Two sets of Bauer Bladetech runners to replace now :(
all these are super excellent materials, but there are shortcomings because they did not solve the problem with the connection of the cap and the shoe. Let's take a look at the knife holder, which is lighter and looks great, but the downside is that the plastic in the middle breaks after a while. I don't understand why they changed the design of the knife, i.e. its grooves so that the old knives don't fit on the new skate!
I'm into the black/yellow color scheme of the Supremes. 😉
Black and yellow
Black and yellow
Black and yellow
You know what it is..
@@HockeyTutorialOfficial Borussia Dortmund? 🤷♂️
Shadow looks cool but aesthetically I still think the Mach looks way better ha.
Two questions for y'all:
1) has anyone tried those blades they're advertising half way through and can you notice any "pop" from the toe blade as claimed?
2) Has anyone tried switching out the tongue for a softer kinda more old school white felt one? I despised the carbon tongue on the machs the last two seasons, could never get used to them; love em one day, felt weird the next if I didnt tie em the exact same...I ended up re tieing them on the bench between every shift...
Thanks in advance!
True, deciding between XF pros and shadow skates
Va video is coming
I tried the shadows… went with Machs for half the price…. I think one thing about the reflex tongue is that if you are a tucker I don’t think it feels quite right almost too stiff cause it can’t move. Feels a lot better if you flop and the can feel that flex in the stride.
Totally fair. For half the price I would do the same. Mach were a great skate for sure. These just have some nice upgrades (I sound like a Bauer fan boy now)
@@HockeyTutorialOfficial no doubt the shadow skates do feel even better molded then machs. Not sure I am sold on power fly holder… almost too stiff for me…. And well does any of this make me a better skater ? At this point probably not….. my fear for these skates is people buy them cause they are top end but they are really quite stiff. Matrix seem like a nice compromise.
I recently picked up a pair of Machs as well on sale. I bought some mid level vapors a couple years agin, but couldn’t pass up the Machs at the sale price. So far, after skating on them a couple times, they are fantastic.
@jasonmitchell6105 People need to understand that the top end skates like the Shadow, Hyperlite 2, FT6 Pro, XF Pro are meant for those who are top-level hockey players. They're gonna be stiffer, which makes them tougher to use for newer players, but also allows pros to make powerful and precise movements.
@@Pokemonmaster150b I’ve said the same thing to a number of people. I have the Machs, but I’m 38 years old and have been skating since I was 5. I’ve played with guys in beer league who clearly are newer skaters who are using hyperlites or Machs or the comparable CCMs. The skate is far too technical for them and they would probably be better off with a softer more forgiving skate.
Help me understand this. Generally the more stiff a skate the higher end it is. That’s been the philosophy for a long time now. Lighter and ridged=higher end skates. It makes sense the way it’s explained. Energy out from the foot should be close to the same energy out through the blade and onto the ice that way there is as little energy lost through dampening of less ridged materials. Energy in=energy out. So about this blade you market, in the toe it has give and dampens both the step onto the ice as well as the push off as the skate leaves the ice, would this dampening effect create a loss of energy? Wouldn’t the blade take away from all the high end qualities the skate is designed with? Reminds me of the marsblade. Seems like a flexible blade would have the same effect of a cheap flexible boot material
Is there a reson for not mentioning the forward pitch when doing the videos on skates? As I understand it, True skates are pitched more forward than other manufacturers skatelines, but there could even be a difference in pitch between lines from an individual manufacturer. Though Tia might be a matter of the design of the holder, I still think it is an important area that should not be overlooked. Especially when talking about comfort in skating position and responsiveness on the ice.
I just got these a few days ago and I have used them once and they feel so much different then the m5 pros and machs when I went to get skates I was going to get the Mach’s but didn’t have any in my size so tryed these and so far don’t like them but I haven’t used them much yet but so far I would say the m5 pros and machs from last year are better but this is my take and having the shadows for not even a week yet I’ll be on the ice more in a week so I’ll see if I change my mind on these. They look cool tho
On ice video is coming.. I have a lot to share on this.
These are nice but the ft6 pro is next level good, it’s definitely the biggest skate improvement. The ft4 pros were nowhere near as good as the ft2s but the ft6 pros are leaps and bounds better then bith
What is the weight difference between these and Mach's
Do you know the weight vs Mach's?
These are amazing skates
Can you do a hyperlite 2 skate review please?
It's too late into the release to make a video on them. We'll get the next Vapor skate and review that.
I have a question, is 14 to old to start hockey and will it be harder to learn?
Started in my 20s bud. Never too late
CCM XF pro VS Bauer Shadow
Review the new bauer nexus tracer
We will get on that next
Are the hyperlite 2's better than the shadows
I'm a true svh user
Not even close! More tech, more performance and better comfort with Shadow (in my opinion)
They’re different skates meant for different skaters. I bought a pair of vapor 3x about 2;years ago after skating in grafs for a couple decades. Recently went to the Bauer Machs. While the vapors fit my foot fine, the Mach is better for my skating style. I started the rip the tendon guard at the base on the vapor where the Machs have a flexible tendon guard. Basically, I was extending out to far in my strides for the vapors.
When do the Nikes drop! 🏒⛸️🥅
I predict an improved power wrap comes back in two years.
Catalyst 5X4 Senior Player Hockey Skates ???????
@hockeytutorialofficial Why is nobody commenting on Bauer (and CCM), the whole company, being for sale right now (was leaked a month ago that they are for sale, CCM process started a while ago)? These private equity investors are ruining all the great companies and makes me wonder if Bauer is going to be another casualty. Lot's of questions lately on stick breakage, skate features breaking, etc. Is Bauer going to stand behind all these newer, higher-priced products under new ownership?
I don't know if this is a subject people want to hear about ? Plus there's a lot of uncertainty! I have a lot of thoughts but I need to be careful about what I say :p There's a lot about how brands have changed and how they interact online that I don't like. But I don't want to moan or help to divide people. Not sure what to do here..
catalyst video pls
1000000% they are in the studio 👀 once we have the green light. The video will be posted
Can’t give a flying fck what skates look better.. the shadows are just UNBELIEVABLE
Hype 2 skates next
Weight?
I normally prefer to leave that out and let stores that sell the skates do that. It’s subjective. What blade is on the skate ? What insole ? What size is the boot ?
These are 871grams with bladetech DLC. Skate box size 7.5. Hope that helps 🤷🏾♂️
@@HockeyTutorialOfficial Thx, exactly what I’m curious about. I’m more comparing them with the CCMs that came out. The weight isn’t as important as the comparison against other top end models.
Didn’t then machs have the same tounge
Yes but not exactly the same. it was constructed from black felt and didn’t feel anywhere near as “springy” as the new one. Better look and felts better on ice.
Thanks might go with shadows over machs on sale
Yet another pair of expensive skates from Bauer which are essentially the same as the old but with hyped features and a new colour scheme. Plus they have almost zero mouldability, so if you have Bauer shaped feet, they’re great, otherwise nope. If anyone thinks these so called features are important, ask yourself why so many top level players stick with their old skates. In my opinion what matters most is comfort and fit. When I went from Bauer Custom to True TF9, my skating improved dramatically. I could suddenly do drills I had been practicing for years, and failed to master. Perhaps the Trues are superior. but I suspect it’s because the TF9 are much more comfortable and a much better fit. The Bauers hurt my toes as they were too narrow, and there was no support round the ankles. Choose skates that fit you, whatever the brand, ignore the hype.
yh I'll keep my mach's lol
Bauer "Let's add the new holder, put "different" tongue on Mach and charge more money.
Frankinskates
I like the blade holder but this boot looks ugly