Great idea! Testing it on ballistics gel would definitely show its impact power in a fun way. I might just give it a shot! What else would you be curious to see it tested on?
Seems like ballistics gel is a popular choice! It’d definitely be satisfying to see the impact in slow motion. Any other materials or tests you think would show off its power even better?
Great idea! Fruits, veggies, and even pieces of meat would definitely make for some entertaining (and messy) tests. Slow-mo on those impacts could be pretty epic! Any specific type of fruit or veggie you think would be the most satisfying to see get blasted? 🍉🍏
Good idea. In its current form, it doesn't have much power, being so far as I can tell on par with some of the more energetic airsoft replicas. But ATF has a long history of ignoring the minor detail that it's Congress that makes the laws, not the ATF and arbitrarily declaring things to be illegal with no actual authority to do so. I would not be at all surprised if ATF decided that the ice rifle looked scary and people were having too much fun and something had to be done. He might be able to avoid some trouble by not painting it black, though. Black would make it scarier and, therefore, more dangerous. Oh, and not putting a folding stock on it. Folding stocks make things more dangerous too, well known fact.
I'd call it ice gun. And that's a very good question - can this bullet kill a person? And this idea could spark the interest of CIA... Person killed, penetration hole but no bullet... What could it mean? Ice gun!
Also just because it works once, doesn't mean it won't blow apart after repeated stress, and eventually the material strength is compromised. This guy is clearly smart in some areas, and lacking in a few others. Seems like there was some better choices then using pvc. I mean if you get build the end pieces out of metal, why not also make make a metal sleeve inside the pvc pipe, that way you get a doubling of both strengths to ensure it won't even give. Just add a stainless steel cylinder, or a stainless steel sleeve to the pvc pipe. Either is infinitely better than just pvc pipe...
You should consider adding a dehumidifier module to produce water for infinite ammo. And solar inlays to infinitely charge the device. With these enchantments I’d like to name the device “The Icebreaker.”
You might consider reshaping the interior channel where the ice is formed, and rifling the barrel. Since you are making the ice on demand, you can shape it as you wish to make the bullet more aerodynamic and rifle the barrel to impart spin on the projectile. This will keep the projectile stable at longer distances and reshaping the ice to be more shaped like a bullet may increase muzzle velocity and would reduce air resistance by making the projectile more aerodynamic. Source: my first job was as a gunsmith, i grew up in a military family in the southeastern US. Edit: I hope the original creator sees this comment feed. There are some good ideas in my replies
At this rate multiple gov agencies are scanning the comments and the video for ideas. This gun is actually pretty scary looking rn. But it’s not thaaaat deadly. yet
But he can't shape it as he wishes, because the slug needs to be able to slide out of the chamber into the barrel. So no diabolo skirt or any sort of domed head. At best he could boat-tail the rear of the slug. But that would make the CNC more expensive I guess. Now all it needs it a couple holes to be drilled into it and some threads tapped.
@@eugeneng2721 Ice is fragile enough that I think any reasonable amount of pressure would just shear off whatever grooves could form. It might be possible to get the ice pellet spinning but I think you'd have difficulty getting it up to a good velocity without it shattering.
What makes a rifle is the riffling, so arguably most modern pistols are rifles and this gun is not. How many firearm enthusiasts is this going to irritate?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations the cia has an ice pistol that contained shellfish toxin that fades pretty quickly. vrymsmall projectile to basically no wound. practically a modern day poison dart tube.
@@marvinmurphy5523 rifling is only part of the classifications, meaning that you are half correct, most modern pistols are closer to being a rifle than this ice gun would be a more accurate statement
(3:25) Pressure-testing a length of PVC pipe in this manner is the utmost in foolishness. If it bursts, it is likely to send shrapnel flying that could seriously injure or kill someone close by. The test should have been performed with the pipe behind a heavy wood or masonry barrier. For use in the water gun, the entire length of PVC pipe should be enclosed in a braided stainless steel tube, as the plastic housing of the gun is unlikely to safely contain the shrapnel when the pipe eventually bursts.
IT LOOKED scary, but PVC isn’t going to burst from a simple air compressor. Everyone living through cold winters knows: lawn services will blast out your sprinklers using high amounts of 125-150 psi compressed air to prevent the damage that freezing temps will impart on your sprinklers, which are all PVC. The only real concern I had was the plug at the end becoming a projectile, but the o-ring would fail first (as shown) and mitigate the problem. TL;DR: He was safe because the air compressor wasn’t going to make the PVC explode
Holy fucking shit dude. I would not have stood there as your pressure tested that pvc. Pvc shatters when it fails and makes shrapnel. It's incredibly dangerous. I love everything else but I was screaming at that part. Stay safe ❤️
Totally get where you’re coming from! PVC under high pressure is no joke, and it’s definitely a safety risk if it fails. I’ll be extra cautious in the future and maybe switch to safer materials for pressure testing. Appreciate the concern and advice-safety first! ❤️
@ConceptCraftedCreations and as I said in a different comment the shrapnel doesn't show up on x-rays so it is very difficult to get fixed up at the hospital.
"I would like to see if this 3bars rated pvc pipe will explode under 10bars of pressure" * Proceed to put his face at 50cm without any screen protection *
Like many other commenters, I’m gonna have to tell you to not use pvc pipe as pressure vessel. Use steel or at least brass pipe. Also, if not mistaken, you can power the thermoelectric junctions in reverse and thereby get your melting point perfectly in’s sync with your trigger. Make a sequence like this; trigger should have several “points” of action. First part of trigger action=freeze, second level=thaw, final level = activate all valves to release the “bullet”. You can have indicator lights to let you know what exactly you’re doing at any point in the cycle.
Having watched a man run the high pressure air lines in his shop w pvc (not recommended) and seeing what happened after a little over pressure caused them to explode, don't do it. If you want a plastic grenade it's great way to go. I just hope you or your friends aren't around.
Haha, that’s one way to put it! This might be a little overkill for a “water gun,” but sometimes it’s fun to push boundaries. Any ideas for the next “extreme” project?
I remember reading one of those classic "military fiction thriller books written by an ex soldier" type books about 20 years ago about a delta force squad in the arctic that had a type of gun where they put snow in a hopper at the top and it compressed it down into ice balls. the idea of that gun has lived rent free in my mind all that time as "thats such a cool idea" this is basically that.
@@felixkonig7273 it was implied to be Delta IIRC. All I know is that Delta won't be flying planes like on that one chapter that involves assassination of the false leads on who is behind the cover up, the villain, of the story.
Idea Gatling gun style: Each rotating freeze chamber timing based on freezing time of projectile divided by 2, 4, 6, 8 etc. The next round would be ready for firing. Try using a Teflon coating for the freezing chamber and in the rifle barrel. Another idea is to have multiple bullet freezing chambers that ejects the frozen pellet in a "chamber" that has stiff Teflon coated bar it lands on top of with another bar above it. These Teflon bars would be attached a rotating belt that goes downward (or upward depending on freezing chamber placement) in the shape of and extended clip. This clip would contain the frozen pellets and move them to firing chamber(s). Timing would be based on freezing time from each of the chambers. Due to the freezing process, the frozen pellets placement in the belt would skip one or two feeder belt slots but by the time the pellets reach the barrel, all feeder slots would be filled and ready for firing.
It takes about 12-15 minutes to freeze each ice projectile inside the gun. Pre-preparing ice bullets was an option, but I wanted to see if the gun could handle the whole process itself-glad you enjoyed the approach!
Interesting suggestion!🤓 Sawdust could definitely add some structural strength to the ice. Have you experimented with this before, or is this a new idea?
@@AlexanderSverdlov The british tried to build a ship in WW2 with sawdust & Ice mix being cooled by refrigeration lines to save cost of steel. They called the material as PYKRETE.
By adding a small amount of polymer, you might be able to keep water in laminar flow during the entire flight time. This will basically eliminate the need to freeze the water and will increase the speed of the water. You can contact me or someone specializing in non-Newtonian fluid dynamics!
It is not a water gun, it is most definately an ice gun. That said, is it *better* than a water gun? It definately is an impressive feat of engineering that I haven't seen done before! Well done!
@jankauza8694 True, it starts as water but turns into ice just before firing. It’s like the gun has its own mini ice-making factory! What would make it feel like a true “100% ice gun” to you?
True, loading ready-made ice bullets would definitely take away some of the fun! There’s something satisfying about the whole ice-making process happening right inside the gun. Keeps it a bit more “DIY,” don’t you think?
Really cool! Amazing work! But I think this would be more effective without the heating element. The goal of the heating element, as described, is to slightly melt the exterior of the ice pellet so that it doesn’t get stuck in the chamber. But this line of reasoning ignores that the pellet will be forced out by the compressed air regardless of its expansion or adhesion. In the diagram shown the biggest factor holding the pellet in place is not expansion or adhesion, but the connection of the pellet after freezing to the ice in the pressure relief channels off to the side. These solid connections are currently either currently being broken by the air pressure or melted away by the heating. But if you just left the whole pellet after freezing and applied sufficient pressure it would overcome the very low friction between the pellet and the chamber and shear the connections to the pressure relief channels. Additionally, the gun is currently losing a lot of power that could be transferred to the pellet because the pellet is initially incased in water after heating. The benefit of the long barrel is lost if the pellet doesn’t fit tightly into the barrel, because the pressure behind the pellet will displace the liquid water around the pellet faster than the solid pellet itself. The lighter water is being moved out of the way, creating a gap between the pellet and barrel wall that the air will bleed through, which decreases the pressure behind the pellet. This action allows the majority of the pressurized air to escape without transferring its force to the projectile, and because the pellet is loose in the barrel it will hit the sides and be slowed by friction in addition to being less accurate. I’d love to see a version without the heating element. Just size the inner diameter of the barrel a couple millimeters smaller than the chamber (or rifle it with the groove depth a couple millimeters smaller than the chamber if you really want a great seal) and use sufficient pressure to break the pellet free immediately after it finishes freezing through.
I've played enough fallout to know that this is a cryolator with the long barrel conversion 😂 I've read some of the comments and I'd recommend the reverse cone shaped chamber with maybe a slightly larger opening on the ejection port and a riffled barrel that slightly tappers at the beginning to make sure the ice doesn't break apart inside. I'd also recommend reversing the polarity of the Pelztier elements to heat up the block, or having sort of jacketed chamber that you can pass a separately heated liquid (maybe heated using the same Peltzier elements) through quickly just to loosen the ice. Another idea would be to use teflon inside the chamber and remove the need entirely. Last thing I'd recommend would be to use another P element to keep the water reservoir cool. The closer it already is to freezing, the faster it will freeze. Maybe set up a small venturi line that takes in air or some gas that compresses so that when the water freezes it has room to expand. Can't wait to se V2!
I'm thinking the entire thing doesn't need to be ice, just the tip. The laminar air flow around the rest could plausibly keep a pocket of water traveling together. This would also shrink the size of the cooling mechanism required. But beyond this, I would wonder if there is a slight process and/or additive that could be added. Again perhaps just the tip. To gel the tip or a "casing", bringing along the water. Tune thickness for temperature and distance, and I presume you could have fully liquid impact. Not sure what electricity does to the surface tension of water, but maybe something there too. For sure, standard water has a ton of impurities in it. If you could identify and manipulate some, temporarily "magnetizing" etc one end, then conceivably you could change properties there (or process gather from reservoir), inject for the tip etc. But yah, I would think if it's all water on impact, you may have a case for "water gun"
Beautiful and clever build. It doesn't fall within chatGPT's safety definition, so it's not a water gun anymore, but it's definitely an ice gun. Or if you put fruit juice in it instead of water, it's a long range high-velocity popsicles delivery system :-)
Wait, if i read your comment right, if something doesn't fall in a definition made by an AI it's not true anymore??? We're further gone than i thought...
Needs to freeze the water in the shape of a bullet, and add rifling to the barrel. Water should have sawdust mix in before freezing, might cause clogs so you might have to feed it in seperately during the freezing process. Beefing up the materials for higher psi would also increase power. Add a scope
Thanks! This is truly a unique and super cool toy. Maybe in version 2, you could use an electrical motor to spin a cylinder( like spin launch) with centrifugal force to eject the ice. It would get rig of the air compression and you would only be limited by battery. Stay awesome and keep engineering those concepts.👍
I’m really tired of seeing creators say “we need to define this so I asked ChatGPT” like it contains the ultimate answers about the universe. Like literally just use a dictionary. That’s what it’s scraping anyways, and it doesn’t have the noise of incorrect or deceptive definitions from other sources distorting it. “Type in the prompt and push the button”; oh you thought I was referencing ChatGPT, no that’s how google works too (and don’t use google’s AI response either, look one line lower).
as an engineer myself who worked on a project similar to that but for different purposes, you just earned a sub. i used peltier module to cool down water and then pump it through a bag to try and make a cooler. but the thing is that the process was quite slow. so i wonder how much time it took to freeze the water. should be like 20mins+. awesome project mate but you should add some safety valve in case the pressure inside the barrel(pvc tube) exceeds the limit
You would have thought that 3:33 would have put the fear of pipe bomb in him, but nope. This madlad does it again after something already exploded right next to him.
Instead of the pvc pipe you could use a standard metal water pipe. Add a 200-300 bar reservoir, a quick loading valve for an external dive tank and maybe a stainless barrel. Springload a hugh pressure valve to the trigger. Boom, you have a proper NUG.
That sounds intense! Upgrading to metal components with a high-pressure reservoir and dive tank setup would turn this into a serious piece of tech. A stainless steel barrel and spring-loaded high-pressure valve on the trigger would definitely take it to the next level. “NUG” sounds about right-this would be a next-level Nerf upgrade! 😆 Ever built anything like this yourself?
Ya know... That's a lot easier than how I did it as a kid lmao. I'd use my hands to melt and compress the surface until I had a super dense ball of ice. Though I usually didn't throw those at people. I used them to knock down the snow walls we'd make for cover.
Instead of using the heating rods you can just flip the polarity of the current of the thermo block which you used to make ice it will no longer need extra material and also help in making more bullets for the next round faster as the other side will be colder already to exchange heat
So is the CIA part of the title just clickbait then, because there’s no mention of it in the video? Dude, you made a rifle that manufactures its own ammo, you don’t need to lie to sell that..
Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed the concept-and yeah, those Peltier elements really add a unique twist to the design. Ever experimented with them yourself?
@ConceptCraftedCreations yes several times. I remember the first one I ever came across was in a 12 volt cooler. I played with it, and it condensed the water out of the air. After that I went to ebay and bought 10 large ones. I love that you can pull energy from them or supply energy to them. I used a couple in projects. One was as a cold substrate plate in my RfCVD unit. It's also fun to add them to a sterling cycle. Basically, the better the temperature gradient, the more energy you can get from the heat and cold of the environment. They are great for so many reasons. They are used on satellites that use radio isotope telescope to convert the thermal energy from the radioactive source. It's called a telescope because it's really a giant boom to keep the source away from the sensitive equipment. I've layered pyrolitic graphite onto one side with cvd and improved the efficiency 8 percent. If I had used cvd polycrystalline diamond coat, I'm sure it would have been even more impressive. Their nifty little solid state devices and are cheap to make. They could have uses that could generate power in ways that aren't intuitive. 🙂
@ConceptCraftedCreations Yes, I have. I pulled one out of a 12v cooler manny years ago and condensed moisture out of the air. After that, I bought 10 of them off eBay. I've used them as a solid state cold plate for CVD work in my vacuum chamber. They are really effective when the temperature gradient is high. They have been around for a long time. The first time I heard of them was from a friend who worked at JPL. They use them on satellites that use a radio isotope telescope. It generates electricity from the heat of the radioactive source and the cold vacuum of space. They are truly wonderful little device's.
@@friskydingo5370 That’s incredible! It’s amazing to see how versatile Peltier elements can be, especially with applications as advanced as CVD work in a vacuum chamber. Using them in space with a radioisotope power source must be next-level in terms of efficiency. Do you still use them in any of your current projects?
Your invention is incredible! I have dreamed about something like this my whole life, only I never advanced the concept as far as you have making the actual projectile manufacturing in the gun. Pure genius! No wonder the CIA was interested in this, there are applications that we can't even think of. Let's just say it's clearly far beyond playtime. Thanks for the video! Luke
You may be able to avoid the heat cycle if you made the freeze chamber cone shaped with the small end out the back. Anodizing it may also help. I would also water cool the petliers hot side with water from reservoir. Then air cool the water reservoir.
That’s a smart approach! A cone-shaped freeze chamber could make it easier for the ice to pop out without needing to heat it up. And combining water cooling for the Peltier with air cooling for the reservoir sounds like it’d boost efficiency. Have you used this kind of cooling setup before?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations I have not, but CPU water coolers should be easy enough to find. Going back and looking at the design you would also want to put a draft angle in the small water inlet and outlet holes in the direction of flow. You would also want to try and insolate the larger water inlet and outlet holes to try to prevent them from freezing. Maybe cutting a ring around them down far enough so they still have enough support would do the trick.
@@ConceptCraftedCreations My initial thought was to use the TEC waste heat for steam generation, skipping the compressor entirely. I haven't run any feasibility calculations for this, but food for thought. It's simple enough to add a resistive heater to supplement the TEC if needed. Obviously your pressure vessel needs to change if it's holding hot gas, but there should be a lot more space and weight budget without an air compressor.
@@ConceptCraftedCreations unless I don't understand something, the cone would have to be wide front small rear - which is aerodynamically unstable and opposite of what you want.
Very creative. How about, instead of freezing water, you add a gelling-agent, making it a slime-gun :) I wonder if that could keep the water-projectile from splitting up during flight. OR Encapsulate the water-projectile in a miniature water-balloon ... a thin rubber membrane of some sort.
Haha, “Lethal Condom Gun” might just be the funniest twist yet! 😂 It’s amazing how one project can spark so many hilarious ideas. Thanks for the laughs, everyone-who knew tech could be this entertaining? 😆
You could use a teflon layer inside the ice chamber so you dont have to heat it again, or you could let the steel chamber vibrate to make the ice pellet lose.
Just as info for folk who think PVC is a risk for storing air: Have for over a dozen years been using Schedule 40 1/2" PVC pipe as air delivery in my garage, as suggested by the hardware store guy. My compressor keeps the system at about 140 psi. At this size, Schedule 40 has a rated capacity of 600 psi, printed right on the pipe, which at ~15 psi to the bar, I make to be approximately 40 bar. 3/4" can contain 480 psi, and as the size goes up, the pressure contained goes down. The few times I've had failures, it's been separated or broken joints. A crack/break in a joint is, well, a leak. A separated joint COULD result in a length of pipe becoming a projectile, if it was secured only at that joint. Generally, it's secured at an opposite end, and clamped to a surface. The strength of the pipe itself generally doesn't apply to fittings; solvent ball valves, for instance, are rated to about 150 psi. The solvent adhesive, if you have a good joint, is about as strong as the pipe; to get the best joint, you need a good mechanical fit, clean surfaces, primer solvent, and then the glue solvent, joints fully coated and pushed together with a twist. By color, I'd guess the PVC in the video to be the even stronger Schedule 80, although I can't see to be sure. The itty-bitty air pump, if taken from SOME portable emergency tire pumps, MIGHT have a max (advertsed) pressure of 225 psi. Regardless of what projectile you launch with 150 psi (~10 bar) or more behind it, a) it will NOT travel as fast as a bullet, but b) you will NOT want to be hit by it. If sharp, could penetrate too far to be good for you. Ice, properly formed and frozen hard, would make a wonderful projectile. And, of course, leave no significant ballistic evidence. I suppose dry ice would be similar in those ways.
I use PVC as well, but have researched a lot after being told that it's dangerous and came to the same conclusion. I will be replacing my PVC airlines with aluminum tubing. PVC tends to splinter when it cracks, turning it into a pipe bomb. All of my air lines are under 5 years old so they aren't old enough to be a problem yet, but I can no longer trust PVC after what I learned.
@@Broetchen98 Nope, an air gun shoots projectiles propelled by air pressure. Go to any of the sites that sell them and look for an air pressure gun. Search the internet using the term "air pressure gun". Doesn't really matter that much because your original statement was nonsense because using air pressure to shoot water is pretty much the norm for modern water guns.
air rifle with compressed air is kinda popular for hunters outside america or countries that ban firearms for civilian use. the rifle used small pellet as a projectile, just half centimeter in size. the only difference is this guy in the video switched the pellet with ice. so his gun is still classified as homemade air rifle. also i want to share important tips that you should know. you can upgrade this further by switching the pvc pipe with brass or steel and put pressure gauge on it. as a barista i worked with highly pressurized espresso machine for years and our machine never exploded because we don't ignore safety precautions unlike this channel owner.
All water guns are air pressure guns though, you can't compress water for effect. Water bottle rockets are quite simple, ~60% water and 40% air to compress until the seal breaks and the rockets setts off. "Squirt guns" are ofc different and has no practical effect other than children getting tiered from the trigger pump mechanic.
I love the design! Gorgeous and clever. How did this attract CIA, or was that a joke? I don't think of it as a water gun, more of an ice pellet gun, and yes, I know, ice is the solid state of water, but water guns (as playful toys to shoot at people safely) use liquid water (at non dangerous temperatures), not steam or ice. As your chat-AI said "6. Safety: unlike firearms, water guns are meant for innocent, playful interactions, making them popular as toys."
IIRC in 1970s the CIA had built (or pretended to have built) an ice gun for assassinations'. But instead of a complicated custom gun that froze ice on demand, it would be a more or less regular pistol that shot a projectile of a frozen toxin that would induce a heart attack into its target. So a person would be discretely shot, if at all feel an impact below the intensity of a BB gun and shortly suffer a heart attack. The rest of the projectile would quickly melt, leaving next to no trace. Autopsy would have a high chance to miss a tiny bruise and go for a natural cause instead.
Please try this with an air gun tank next!! Like the ones with 3000+ psi, also use a high flow valve, they usually need a high voltage capacitor discharge circuit to trigger, but can dump insane amounts of air very fast, used in airguns
Honestly for custom made one off parts with that level of detail I honestly expected the price to be about 10 times what he actually paid. That's a fantastic deal and if I ever need anything made like that I definitely know where I'm going.
Projectile velocity increase by barrel length is only worth concern in normal combustion weapons. All the pressure is released immediately with an air gun, so all traveling down the barrel does is allow for rotation of the round to occur, improving accuracy.
@@ConceptCraftedCreations DIY ballistic gel is not hard to make, you just need the right proportions of gelatin and water. It's basically an extra-firm jello jiggler. It won't be super clear like the stuff you can buy, but aside from that, it'll work okay.
One of the things I think that might do great for a design update would be a miniature AC compressor, you can get tiny ones that fit in your hand, that way the battery life would be much higher since you're using a 60-70% or so efficient BLDC-driven compressor rather than a 15% efficient Peltier cell. But this is awesome!
Fair point! Frozen water definitely shifts it into a whole different category. Maybe “ice blaster” or “frozen projectile launcher” is more fitting. Got any suggestions for a better name?
4:00 There had better be water in that pipe when testing, tank pressure testing is called hydrostatic testing for a reason. To make a better tank, maybe use tightly wrapped surfboard fiberglass in epoxy around the pipe, especially the ends of the pipe. Then add a spring loaded limit valve to assure a pressure that is low enough.
@@Hurricayne92 When fabricating a pressure vessel, the first time you bring it up to pressure, you do a hydrostatic test with the vessel full of water with air as a source of pressure only at a pressure exceeding the maximum intended pressure substantially. This assures that first test is safe and all fills with air thereafter at the rated pressure are also safe.
I was thinking a carbon fiber sleeve around it. Handling that PVC under pressure while talking about how it was multiples over its safety factor definitely had me cringing.
That definition is censored and doesn't talk about riot water cannons or water cutting machines, all of which are water guns but not pc enough for shat gpt
Thats pretty cool, but knowing the cooling capabilities of such TECs, cycling must take like 15 minutes xD Sadly there is no vapor compression refrigiration on this scale Edit: Hold up! Turns out there is! Rigid HVAC sells some absolutely tiny compressors with brushless motors! You would just need to connect a radiator, an expansion valve and some copper piping and then fill it with refrigirant.
Good catch on the TEC limitations! The cycle time is definitely a challenge. Those Rigid HVAC compressors sound like a next-level solution-imagine the cooling power with a mini vapor compression setup! Might actually cut that cooldown by a huge margin. Ever worked with those tiny compressors before?
@@engineer0239 Haha, Hyperspace Pirate has some great content! Vapor compression on this scale is definitely a big ask. If only we could scale down those systems to fit in a handheld device-imagine the possibilities! Do you think there’s any chance we’ll see tech like that become more accessible?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations You could use Joule Thompson or evaporative cooling with Nitrous oxide. You could also use the same gas reservoir as the propellant. You can also use the same pressure to fill your chamber, close the exit port and pressurise your tank to two atmospheres and it will fill the chamber and compress all the trapped air into the overflow port. All you need is a few valves and a reservoir to store one shot of gas (so it can expand faster than boiling when fired).. I don't think you would need to heat the chamber to release the slug. Having a 1% taper would break it free, once moving it will deform to the size of the barrel easily. Nitrous oxide cylinders come in many sizes these days for restaurant cream whippers and drag racing cars.
Haha, imagine the “ice division” in action! Jokes aside, I’m glad you enjoyed the project! It was a blast to make. Got any ideas on what other crazy “water gun” concepts could be fun to try?
@@robertsmith2956 unless you have large heavily armored water trucks with battleship cannons on top of them with a wide wheelbase that prevents falling over.
Haha, true! It’s like the “heavy weapon” of water fights-high impact but with that strategic cooldown. Just imagine everyone’s reaction when they see it in action! Would you actually bring this beast to a water fight?
I'd argue otherwise. It isn't going to do anything more than bruise someone... unless it hits them in the eye. It's essentially comparable, at close range at least, to an airsoft replica or paintball marker. It would only be safe as long as everyone was wearing face protection. Speaking of which, I'd love to see it chronoed. It's just a top of my head guess but... I'd say somewhere between 250 and 350 fps? Of course, that's a pretty large range and I could be way off in either direction.
This just came into my feed for some reason. Great work. There's a book by Dan Brown called Digital Fortress and guns that shot ice bullets were featured in them (at least in the beginning). Since the bullets were ice, they left nothing behind. No fingerprints or shrapnel that could be traced. It's the first thing I thought of when I saw the thumbnail. Interested in how you update the design.
maybe it would count as an air soft gun, but seems like a fun gadget, get a camel back and a power bank in your back pack and you could have a whole lot of ammo
Humble suggestion: Just slightly freeze the outside so that it holds together and helps prevent air resistance acting on such a large surface area, but melts from friction of air resistance after 10feet - that way it can be a fun toy again - shooting water.
Haha, they'll be looking for a while! This "ice bullet" leaves no trace-just melts away. Perfect stealth mode! Ever thought of other creative uses for something like this?
There's an episode in the "bones" police TV show where someone uses a blood bullet to try to kill someone, and they barely were able to find the criminal that did so
You're absolutely right about that! A better comparison might be the quote I got here locally for the same parts and to my surprise it was almost $200 more expensive there😯
@@ConceptCraftedCreations I am not saying PCB Way isn't offering compelling price models. And you're probably bound to sell it properly, but objectively 200+ is a huge amount of money for presumably most of your viewers. So putting it in context would've been more approachable for most of them.
@@ConceptCraftedCreations I didn't mean to criticise in any way, nor do I want you to answer in a way detrimental to your sponsors. I was merely making a joke.
I love the idea. But you get an F- on execution. You would have a solid A+ but you used PVC as a pressure vessel and showed all the kids that its ok to stand next to a pressure vessel that you're intentionally exceeding the rated max pressure of with ZERO ppe (at least that we could see). I want to like you but this video could legitimately get someone killed. You showed how to create a pressure bomb (against youtube TOS, and possible ITAR regulated so possibly decades in prison) and acted like it was nothing to worry about. Cmon dude. I had a cowoker years ago that had a pvc pipe explode next to him. Lost his left eye and was still having pvc fragments poking up through his skin every couple months even five years later. Did you know the doctors can't help you remove the pvc because it doesn't show on xrays? You currently have 446k views on this. If only one percent try to do this and only one percent of those have a catastrophic failure from intentionally exceeding the rating of a pressure vessel, that's still 44 people that will be put in the hospital with serious injuries. Please heed this warning. I'm all for people making their own things that go boom but at least show safe practices.
I applaud your craftsmanship and am awestruck by just how t how far out of the box you think. This is genius level tinkering. Personally, I would call this the first conceptually practical ice pellet gun. You can shoot at your friends with a water gun, because that’s playful and nobody gets injured. I wouldn’t point this thing at anything I didn’t intend to hurt.
That’s an awesome idea! Using the hot side to create steam pressure could turn this into a steam-powered ice blaster with insane force. A piston-driven mechanism would definitely launch the ice at high speeds. Have you seen this concept used in other projects?
@ConceptCraftedCreations no never seen it done but i thought since you already have waste heat it might be possible to use it somehow if you already have water, steam canons do exist but they fire long rods grapple hooks at around 280 m/s
Interesting thought! Repurposing the waste heat for steam propulsion would be a clever way to increase efficiency. And 280 m/s for grapple hooks is seriously impressive-imagine the speed we could reach with a lightweight ice projectile! Think it’s worth a test run?
@final_catalyst Fascinating idea! Creating an “ice shell” by using the right mineral mix sounds like an intriguing way to boost the projectile’s stability. Do you think this could help maximize the impact or even increase the range?
Good job. In the UK, if it has the energy of more than one joule - looks like it does - that's classed as a firearm. Go directly to Jail, do not pass Go, do not collect £200 (Monopoly joke) :-)
@@padi-instructor At the cost of increased knife & acid attacks. Even pepper spray is illegal. Leaving leaving law abiding citizens defenseless. From what I understand, you can be jailed for having an opinion that could be offensive. Is that the UK you grew up in? I can sympathize. I've had the same "equipment" for 20 years. Purchased legally in NY. Now NY says I'm a criminal for owning it.
You don't need to use pressure. You can(in theory) use a percussion cap to propel a very thin plate that is frozen to an ice bullet, the ice bullet can be pre-made in a cryo-chamber. It might just blow the entire thing apart but if the ice bullet is solid enough it might work.
@@ConceptCraftedCreations No no you fill your reservoir with water and let the compressor pump in his air. If it explodes you only get wet insteat of having to pull out PVC from your chest (and the test is quicker this way). I guess it's irrelevant for this project, but if you like look up how to pressure test a miniature steam boiler or a waterrocket!
Great tip! Using water as a safer way to pressure test makes total sense-definitely less risk of flying PVC pieces if something goes wrong. I’ll look into those methods for future projects. Appreciate the safety advice!
@@ConceptCraftedCreations Ya seriously though, it would have been very easy to stand further away, or behind some barrier. Even though it's compressed air, it can still go boom and ruin your day.
@@Chris-oj7ro and then he puts it next to his eyes in that gun. Would be so easy to make it with propper pressure rating. Steel pipes come to mind, he wouldnt even needed those fancy machined caps. But very cool project otherwise.
Good points! Safety is definitely a priority with compressed air and PVC. Steel pipes would be a much safer choice with the higher pressure rating-probably the way to go if I revisit the design. Appreciate the feedback, and glad you enjoyed the project overall!
I would use the "stuck" ice pellet as a pressure check thing for those vaccum guns. Where you would create a vacuum and then pop the membrane in the front to shoot out the projectile. But this time make it the other way around, create a shit ton of pressure until the pellet breaks free and shoots out!
That’s a solid idea! Using the ice pellet as a sort of “pressure release” would definitely add some extra punch to the shot. Reversing the vacuum gun concept to build up pressure and then release it all at once sounds intense! Ever thought about building something like this yourself?
Pure genius. A clear breakthrough in technology. Lots of uses, peaceful and military. As an example, bigger versions for drone warfare. Obviously this is only the beginning, We will see more sophisticated versions, larger, longer, more powerful propulsion systems, etc. I see this as a more conventional version of the rail guns the Navy has been working for so long. I don't know if practical for long range; but, ammo cost is minimal, nuclear engines could provide whatever electricity needed, and ammo storage means a water tank. How would you defend against a projectile with no magnetic signature, virtually no radar cross section. Amazing.
air rifle with compressed air is kinda popular for hunters outside america or countries that ban firearms for civilian use. the rifle used small pellet as a projectile, just half centimeter in size. the only difference is this guy in the video switched the pellet with ice. so his gun is still classified as homemade air rifle. also i want to share important tips that you should know. you can upgrade this further by switching the pvc pipe with brass or steel and put pressure gauge on it. as a barista i worked with highly pressurized espresso machine for years and our machine never exploded because we don't ignore safety precautions unlike this channel owner.
Possible improvements: multiple barrels (3-6) to cycle through with their own ammo chambers, like a Gatling gun for rapid-ish fire; using the same concept you could theoretically craft a shotgun style blunderbuss model for extra “get off my lawn” effect; ionize the water/ice and use magnetic propulsion in addition to compressed gas for a rail gun effect because why the hell not; making the ice out of a favorite beverage and shooting the pellets into people’s mouths to make their summer vacations even better from afar (because why not?). I am so impressed with what people call “simple ideas” when they literally invent a toy gun from the year 3,091 A.D. just because. Epic!
A practical way to maintain your ice-based concept without unwanted blockages is to exploit the fact that water’s freezing point decreases under higher pressure. By keeping the water in a pressurized, chilled environment, it can remain liquid even at temperatures below its normal freezing point. The moment it exits into lower pressure and warmer conditions, it quickly freezes and delivers the intended icy impact. This tactic solves two opposing needs-liquid flow internally and solid formation upon discharge-without compromise. It’s all about balancing the forces at play: pressure, temperature, and flow work together to ensure fluidity inside the device, followed by a swift transition to ice when released.
I would consider looking into heavy water, and other options that might make ice with higher compression tolerance, and also have an additional heater around the front of the ice cylinder, with a wedge ring shaped conductor to make the tip smaller and tapered, to focus the power of the initial impact. Those two things should drastically improve the performance and range.
This is the most futuristic weapon iv ever seen. Super impressive and yes it’s definitely a water gun. Thinking outside the box and pushing boundaries are how the best inventions are created
if you made the ice chamber conductive, but then isolated that area, you could discharge a capacitor through it to flash melt only the outside ice. This would give you an infinite hold time and very short lock time. It would be difficult to do all of that and ALSO have a short freeze time though. There aren't many materials that conduct heat well, but don't conduct electricity. Looking at the list of available materials that fit the bill, stuff like Boron Nitride and Beryllium Oxide...probably not in your budget range, but that would be a really cool setup. Perhaps a thin teflon coating would work? or a layer of kapton tape?
To reduce wait time, perhaps your water source could be ice water stored in an insulated container like a thermus. To make it more of a water gun, it'd be cool if the ice was only thin enough to coat a pocket of water, but by the time it reaches it target it melts.
You don't need heating elements. Just use h-bridges for the TEJ's and reverse the polarity to heat the water. The heat stored in the sinks, the heat from the power the TEJ's consume, and the massive surface area should make the cycle time faster than with the heating elements.
Building it in a smaller caliber, like .22 or .17 would not only make the recasting process faster, but allow you to use a standard sizes rifled barrel liner. This would make the build lighter, faster and more accurate; all important qualities in a -firearm- icearm.
I have long loved the idea of sci fi weapons or systems that could "microprocess" projectiles in the field. The flash freezing a liquid is a great solution. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Immediately subbed when i realized what was going on
Test it on ballistics gel
Great idea! Testing it on ballistics gel would definitely show its impact power in a fun way. I might just give it a shot! What else would you be curious to see it tested on?
exactly my thought :)
Seems like ballistics gel is a popular choice! It’d definitely be satisfying to see the impact in slow motion. Any other materials or tests you think would show off its power even better?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations Various fruits and vegtables or piece of meat are always entertaining targets. :D
Great idea! Fruits, veggies, and even pieces of meat would definitely make for some entertaining (and messy) tests. Slow-mo on those impacts could be pretty epic! Any specific type of fruit or veggie you think would be the most satisfying to see get blasted? 🍉🍏
To keep this thing off the radar of ATF, I would call it a short-range ice dispenser.
Good idea. In its current form, it doesn't have much power, being so far as I can tell on par with some of the more energetic airsoft replicas. But ATF has a long history of ignoring the minor detail that it's Congress that makes the laws, not the ATF and arbitrarily declaring things to be illegal with no actual authority to do so. I would not be at all surprised if ATF decided that the ice rifle looked scary and people were having too much fun and something had to be done.
He might be able to avoid some trouble by not painting it black, though. Black would make it scarier and, therefore, more dangerous. Oh, and not putting a folding stock on it. Folding stocks make things more dangerous too, well known fact.
I don't think he needs to worry about ATF.
@@ericatkinson5433folding stocks improve the lethality by about 73,82 %, everyone knows that!
@@mobiljobe If he has a dog or children he does. They don't care about things like laws or borders.
The term "Firearms" doesn't apply to a water gun.
I'd call it ice gun. And that's a very good question - can this bullet kill a person? And this idea could spark the interest of CIA... Person killed, penetration hole but no bullet... What could it mean? Ice gun!
The phrase “getting iced” comes to mind. 🥴😬🥶🤯
The CIA thing is just clickbait. Sadly it worked on me. This is less dangerous than frozen paintballs
no it cant kill a person.......... yet, that will come in version 3-5
It's possible, but the problem is the bullet melts from the body heat.
Why? Even a low powered laser beam will do that and it doesn’t need constant refrigeration.
"lets test if the pvc pipe will explode" *stands right next to it*
Same thing I thought. He would of got crazy shrapnel to the gut if that would of exploded.
@@A.Dubski8713 at least it was a high work surface😮😊
That was my favorite part as well . Hey what a few shards of PVC going to harm.
That is a very elegant method of sealing a pipe.
Yeah it seems this guy has the age old genius ideas balanced by no common sense dilemma.
Also just because it works once, doesn't mean it won't blow apart after repeated stress, and eventually the material strength is compromised. This guy is clearly smart in some areas, and lacking in a few others. Seems like there was some better choices then using pvc. I mean if you get build the end pieces out of metal, why not also make make a metal sleeve inside the pvc pipe, that way you get a doubling of both strengths to ensure it won't even give. Just add a stainless steel cylinder, or a stainless steel sleeve to the pvc pipe. Either is infinitely better than just pvc pipe...
Everyone hates when i bring blocks of ice to a water fight
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The equivalent of a rock in a snowball
Like the guys that would dip their snow balls in water and let them freeze. They hurt!
Hahahah
You should consider adding a dehumidifier module to produce water for infinite ammo. And solar inlays to infinitely charge the device. With these enchantments I’d like to name the device “The Icebreaker.”
that seems like it would be slow to reload
@ Oh it would but you’d guarantee unlimited ammo. Plus he already solved the deicing problem so..
That name is already trademark and registered by Bungie in their game Destiny 1 and Destiny 2
Borderlands ass weapon
Watch it be in Borderlands 4@@MrBioWhiz
You might consider reshaping the interior channel where the ice is formed, and rifling the barrel. Since you are making the ice on demand, you can shape it as you wish to make the bullet more aerodynamic and rifle the barrel to impart spin on the projectile. This will keep the projectile stable at longer distances and reshaping the ice to be more shaped like a bullet may increase muzzle velocity and would reduce air resistance by making the projectile more aerodynamic.
Source: my first job was as a gunsmith, i grew up in a military family in the southeastern US.
Edit: I hope the original creator sees this comment feed. There are some good ideas in my replies
At this rate multiple gov agencies are scanning the comments and the video for ideas. This gun is actually pretty scary looking rn. But it’s not thaaaat deadly. yet
But he can't shape it as he wishes, because the slug needs to be able to slide out of the chamber into the barrel. So no diabolo skirt or any sort of domed head. At best he could boat-tail the rear of the slug. But that would make the CNC more expensive I guess. Now all it needs it a couple holes to be drilled into it and some threads tapped.
I am pretty sure that rifling the barrel would just shred the ice pellet.
@@FirstLast-gw5mg I think that may cause helical grooves on the ice to form. It would be a neat thing to try.
@@eugeneng2721 Ice is fragile enough that I think any reasonable amount of pressure would just shear off whatever grooves could form. It might be possible to get the ice pellet spinning but I think you'd have difficulty getting it up to a good velocity without it shattering.
As everyone else have already pointed out, its an ice rifle and it is indeed a perfect assassination tool
But are ice rifles already a thing or would this be the first one in that category?😋
@@ConceptCraftedCreations pretty sure the CIA had one long ago. It could inject poisons with ice projectiles
What makes a rifle is the riffling, so arguably most modern pistols are rifles and this gun is not.
How many firearm enthusiasts is this going to irritate?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations the cia has an ice pistol that contained shellfish toxin that fades pretty quickly. vrymsmall projectile to basically no wound. practically a modern day poison dart tube.
@@marvinmurphy5523 rifling is only part of the classifications, meaning that you are half correct, most modern pistols are closer to being a rifle than this ice gun would be a more accurate statement
(3:25) Pressure-testing a length of PVC pipe in this manner is the utmost in foolishness. If it bursts, it is likely to send shrapnel flying that could seriously injure or kill someone close by. The test should have been performed with the pipe behind a heavy wood or masonry barrier. For use in the water gun, the entire length of PVC pipe should be enclosed in a braided stainless steel tube, as the plastic housing of the gun is unlikely to safely contain the shrapnel when the pipe eventually bursts.
pipe bomb 💀
Or just use a metal pipe 🤷
IT LOOKED scary, but PVC isn’t going to burst from a simple air compressor. Everyone living through cold winters knows: lawn services will blast out your sprinklers using high amounts of 125-150 psi compressed air to prevent the damage that freezing temps will impart on your sprinklers, which are all PVC. The only real concern I had was the plug at the end becoming a projectile, but the o-ring would fail first (as shown) and mitigate the problem.
TL;DR: He was safe because the air compressor wasn’t going to make the PVC explode
Holy fucking shit dude. I would not have stood there as your pressure tested that pvc. Pvc shatters when it fails and makes shrapnel. It's incredibly dangerous. I love everything else but I was screaming at that part. Stay safe ❤️
Totally get where you’re coming from! PVC under high pressure is no joke, and it’s definitely a safety risk if it fails. I’ll be extra cautious in the future and maybe switch to safer materials for pressure testing. Appreciate the concern and advice-safety first! ❤️
Was thinking the same thing, holy shit lol. Could've ended up with shrapnel wounds!
@ConceptCraftedCreations and as I said in a different comment the shrapnel doesn't show up on x-rays so it is very difficult to get fixed up at the hospital.
Is it worth maybe wrapping it in some sort of carbon
@@sheriffoftiltover I was worried the metal parts on either end would fly across the room would fly like bullets from a real gun!
4:04 no pressure gage no safety , you’re a madman 😂
It’s a pipe bomb
"I would like to see if this 3bars rated pvc pipe will explode under 10bars of pressure"
* Proceed to put his face at 50cm without any screen protection *
@@vladidiazkutchov287, he did have a lighted cig prepared though
@@AlexBuznik good point everybody know that if you have a camera or a lit cigarette in your hand you become invincible
lets see if it burst and shot a shard into my gut, thats why it is importent to stand right next to it!
If I were you, Id get in touch with The SlowMo Guys and Demolition Ranch. They might be enthused to help you with some testing and video.
Or Kentucky Ballistics
Like many other commenters, I’m gonna have to tell you to not use pvc pipe as pressure vessel. Use steel or at least brass pipe. Also, if not mistaken, you can power the thermoelectric junctions in reverse and thereby get your melting point perfectly in’s sync with your trigger. Make a sequence like this; trigger should have several “points” of action. First part of trigger action=freeze, second level=thaw, final level = activate all valves to release the “bullet”. You can have indicator lights to let you know what exactly you’re doing at any point in the cycle.
Smart
He didn't even take safety precautions testing the PVC pipe under pressure. I was waiting for it to explode into him.
@@Resist4 He did a test, but he didn't gauge it to know how high the inside pressure got.
Having watched a man run the high pressure air lines in his shop w pvc (not recommended) and seeing what happened after a little over pressure caused them to explode, don't do it. If you want a plastic grenade it's great way to go. I just hope you or your friends aren't around.
A tank from a fire extinguisher is safer for a pressure tank
Calling this a water gun is like calling a nuke a box full of rocks
Haha, that’s one way to put it! This might be a little overkill for a “water gun,” but sometimes it’s fun to push boundaries. Any ideas for the next “extreme” project?
@@ConceptCraftedCreationsIce Trebuchet.
I would call this an "airsoft" gun. It uses air pressure to propel a solid, non-metallic projectile.
It shoots water. You're not bright.
@@vincentrobinette1507air soft??? More like airhard!
10:15 It is an ice-rifle.
ice is just solid water
It's not a rifle because it's not rifled, it's just pressurized and shot
I remember reading one of those classic "military fiction thriller books written by an ex soldier" type books about 20 years ago about a delta force squad in the arctic that had a type of gun where they put snow in a hopper at the top and it compressed it down into ice balls. the idea of that gun has lived rent free in my mind all that time as "thats such a cool idea"
this is basically that.
In "Deception Point" by Dan Brown there is a Delta Force Squad in the arctic which uses this technology.
@@felixkonig7273 it was implied to be Delta IIRC. All I know is that Delta won't be flying planes like on that one chapter that involves assassination of the false leads on who is behind the cover up, the villain, of the story.
also, Dan Brown was never a soldier
@@sliceofbread2611you mean like... Glass bullets?
@sliceofbread2611 so basically a sand blaster?
Did you try reversing the polarity of the Pelztier elements to heat up the block? This would decrease the part count and complexity
No I haven't but will definitely give it a try today to see if it works😯
I love how this comment sounds like classic techno-babble, but it's not lol
did you just combine piezo and peltier elements into one word, or am I overthinking it?
Was about to comment that. It surely seems like it would work and make it simpler.
It should work! Typically reversing the flow of DC current will reverse the flow of heat travel.
Idea Gatling gun style: Each rotating freeze chamber timing based on freezing time of projectile divided by 2, 4, 6, 8 etc. The next round would be ready for firing. Try using a Teflon coating for the freezing chamber and in the rifle barrel. Another idea is to have multiple bullet freezing chambers that ejects the frozen pellet in a "chamber" that has stiff Teflon coated bar it lands on top of with another bar above it. These Teflon bars would be attached a rotating belt that goes downward (or upward depending on freezing chamber placement) in the shape of and extended clip. This clip would contain the frozen pellets and move them to firing chamber(s). Timing would be based on freezing time from each of the chambers. Due to the freezing process, the frozen pellets placement in the belt would skip one or two feeder belt slots but by the time the pellets reach the barrel, all feeder slots would be filled and ready for firing.
Sounds awfully complicated, Just link multiple ice rifles together like on those naval AA gun batteries and have them timed to alternate fire.
How long does it take for the water to freeze? I thought you would pre-prepare the ice bullets but the way you made them inside the gun was genius.
It takes about 12-15 minutes to freeze each ice projectile inside the gun. Pre-preparing ice bullets was an option, but I wanted to see if the gun could handle the whole process itself-glad you enjoyed the approach!
@@ConceptCraftedCreations I'm also curious how you power the gun. A battery pack? A power cord? How much power does it consume?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations thanks for the answer i was wondering how long reload was
@@ConceptCraftedCreations Just increase the cooler size of the hot side. It will be much easier to cool
@@ConceptCraftedCreations it might be more efficient to spray some of the pressurized propellant over a heat exchanger tec are notoriously inefficient
You should add fine sawdust to the ice. This will make the 'bullets' 20x stronger.
Interesting suggestion!🤓 Sawdust could definitely add some structural strength to the ice. Have you experimented with this before, or is this a new idea?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations it is a long known fact about ice and sawdust.
@@AlexanderSverdlov The british tried to build a ship in WW2 with sawdust & Ice mix being cooled by refrigeration lines to save cost of steel. They called the material as PYKRETE.
i bet you would add pebbles to your "snowballs" in a fight too?! -.- shame!
@@ConceptCraftedCreations I'm not saying do this, but what would happen if you replaced the water with mercury or a low temperature alloy? 🤔
By adding a small amount of polymer, you might be able to keep water in laminar flow during the entire flight time. This will basically eliminate the need to freeze the water and will increase the speed of the water. You can contact me or someone specializing in non-Newtonian fluid dynamics!
would it be as effective as using ice as shown in the video?
That'll be amazing on a hot day when a mate needs some ice in his drink. "Can I have a snipe of ice, please?"
I'm reasonably sure the fountain of glass shards would put a damper on his enthusiasm pretty damn quickly.
Were you not looking when the glasses exploded?😊
Goes and sits at the FAR END of the bar from you.
@@geniferteal4178 make a stronger glass then
Sure you can get a snipe of ice *breaks expensive glass*
It is not a water gun, it is most definately an ice gun. That said, is it *better* than a water gun? It definately is an impressive feat of engineering that I haven't seen done before! Well done!
Thanks!😎
you load water ,so it is not 100% ice gun.
@jankauza8694 True, it starts as water but turns into ice just before firing. It’s like the gun has its own mini ice-making factory! What would make it feel like a true “100% ice gun” to you?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations 100% ice gun would be way more boring, where you load ready ice bullets.
True, loading ready-made ice bullets would definitely take away some of the fun! There’s something satisfying about the whole ice-making process happening right inside the gun. Keeps it a bit more “DIY,” don’t you think?
Really cool! Amazing work! But I think this would be more effective without the heating element. The goal of the heating element, as described, is to slightly melt the exterior of the ice pellet so that it doesn’t get stuck in the chamber. But this line of reasoning ignores that the pellet will be forced out by the compressed air regardless of its expansion or adhesion. In the diagram shown the biggest factor holding the pellet in place is not expansion or adhesion, but the connection of the pellet after freezing to the ice in the pressure relief channels off to the side. These solid connections are currently either currently being broken by the air pressure or melted away by the heating. But if you just left the whole pellet after freezing and applied sufficient pressure it would overcome the very low friction between the pellet and the chamber and shear the connections to the pressure relief channels.
Additionally, the gun is currently losing a lot of power that could be transferred to the pellet because the pellet is initially incased in water after heating. The benefit of the long barrel is lost if the pellet doesn’t fit tightly into the barrel, because the pressure behind the pellet will displace the liquid water around the pellet faster than the solid pellet itself. The lighter water is being moved out of the way, creating a gap between the pellet and barrel wall that the air will bleed through, which decreases the pressure behind the pellet. This action allows the majority of the pressurized air to escape without transferring its force to the projectile, and because the pellet is loose in the barrel it will hit the sides and be slowed by friction in addition to being less accurate.
I’d love to see a version without the heating element. Just size the inner diameter of the barrel a couple millimeters smaller than the chamber (or rifle it with the groove depth a couple millimeters smaller than the chamber if you really want a great seal) and use sufficient pressure to break the pellet free immediately after it finishes freezing through.
I've played enough fallout to know that this is a cryolator with the long barrel conversion 😂
I've read some of the comments and I'd recommend the reverse cone shaped chamber with maybe a slightly larger opening on the ejection port and a riffled barrel that slightly tappers at the beginning to make sure the ice doesn't break apart inside.
I'd also recommend reversing the polarity of the Pelztier elements to heat up the block, or having sort of jacketed chamber that you can pass a separately heated liquid (maybe heated using the same Peltzier elements) through quickly just to loosen the ice. Another idea would be to use teflon inside the chamber and remove the need entirely.
Last thing I'd recommend would be to use another P element to keep the water reservoir cool. The closer it already is to freezing, the faster it will freeze. Maybe set up a small venturi line that takes in air or some gas that compresses so that when the water freezes it has room to expand.
Can't wait to se V2!
I'm thinking the entire thing doesn't need to be ice, just the tip. The laminar air flow around the rest could plausibly keep a pocket of water traveling together. This would also shrink the size of the cooling mechanism required.
But beyond this, I would wonder if there is a slight process and/or additive that could be added. Again perhaps just the tip. To gel the tip or a "casing", bringing along the water.
Tune thickness for temperature and distance, and I presume you could have fully liquid impact.
Not sure what electricity does to the surface tension of water, but maybe something there too. For sure, standard water has a ton of impurities in it. If you could identify and manipulate some, temporarily "magnetizing" etc one end, then conceivably you could change properties there (or process gather from reservoir), inject for the tip etc.
But yah, I would think if it's all water on impact, you may have a case for "water gun"
The Cryolator is a mist... Imagine if you used dry ice. I could use it to fight fires.
Beautiful and clever build. It doesn't fall within chatGPT's safety definition, so it's not a water gun anymore, but it's definitely an ice gun. Or if you put fruit juice in it instead of water, it's a long range high-velocity popsicles delivery system :-)
Haha😄 a "long range high-velocity popsicle delivery system" actually makes it sound like something that's pretty safe to use😋 Like it!
Wait, if i read your comment right, if something doesn't fall in a definition made by an AI it's not true anymore??? We're further gone than i thought...
@@DrTheRich My thoughts exactly. I'd say God help us, but I doubt even He could stop this madness. He'd sooner just wipe the slate clean.
@@ConceptCraftedCreations next time built a "long range high-velocity Pawpsicle delivery system" and sell it to Nick Wilde and Finnic
@@DrTheRich well, if people generally agree with the definition yeah. And that definition of pretty agreeable
Needs to freeze the water in the shape of a bullet, and add rifling to the barrel. Water should have sawdust mix in before freezing, might cause clogs so you might have to feed it in seperately during the freezing process. Beefing up the materials for higher psi would also increase power. Add a scope
Thanks! This is truly a unique and super cool toy. Maybe in version 2, you could use an electrical motor to spin a cylinder( like spin launch) with centrifugal force to eject the ice. It would get rig of the air compression and you would only be limited by battery. Stay awesome and keep engineering those concepts.👍
1:37 "Purpose: it's designed to spray water for fun"
Depends on the definition of “fun” I guess 😅
I’m really tired of seeing creators say “we need to define this so I asked ChatGPT” like it contains the ultimate answers about the universe. Like literally just use a dictionary. That’s what it’s scraping anyways, and it doesn’t have the noise of incorrect or deceptive definitions from other sources distorting it. “Type in the prompt and push the button”; oh you thought I was referencing ChatGPT, no that’s how google works too (and don’t use google’s AI response either, look one line lower).
as an engineer myself who worked on a project similar to that but for different purposes, you just earned a sub. i used peltier module to cool down water and then pump it through a bag to try and make a cooler. but the thing is that the process was quite slow. so i wonder how much time it took to freeze the water. should be like 20mins+. awesome project mate but you should add some safety valve in case the pressure inside the barrel(pvc tube) exceeds the limit
You would have thought that 3:33 would have put the fear of pipe bomb in him, but nope. This madlad does it again after something already exploded right next to him.
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The way he just picked up his smoke, man was afraid of nothing. He was cooking an idea to fix the problem soon as he saw it happen.
Instead of the pvc pipe you could use a standard metal water pipe. Add a 200-300 bar reservoir, a quick loading valve for an external dive tank and maybe a stainless barrel. Springload a hugh pressure valve to the trigger. Boom, you have a proper NUG.
That sounds intense! Upgrading to metal components with a high-pressure reservoir and dive tank setup would turn this into a serious piece of tech. A stainless steel barrel and spring-loaded high-pressure valve on the trigger would definitely take it to the next level. “NUG” sounds about right-this would be a next-level Nerf upgrade! 😆 Ever built anything like this yourself?
You ain’t fooling me this is straight up a ChatGPT answer
What is a NUG?
NUG?
@@Th3-WhOwOl3y-TrEeNiT3a An Oh four dubbelya dubbelya nug ;) (MASH quote)
1:03 are clothing irons and steamers considered water guns?
My brother would dip his snow balls in water and let them freeze. He always won the "snow" ball fights.
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bruh, if i had one of those in a fight, i'd get a free ride on an ambulance for mine opponent.
I always pull out my snow balls and dip them in any liquid i see as well
Had same type memory from this, similar principal.
Ya know...
That's a lot easier than how I did it as a kid lmao.
I'd use my hands to melt and compress the surface until I had a super dense ball of ice.
Though I usually didn't throw those at people.
I used them to knock down the snow walls we'd make for cover.
Instead of using the heating rods you can just flip the polarity of the current of the thermo block which you used to make ice it will no longer need extra material and also help in making more bullets for the next round faster as the other side will be colder already to exchange heat
So is the CIA part of the title just clickbait then, because there’s no mention of it in the video? Dude, you made a rifle that manufactures its own ammo, you don’t need to lie to sell that..
11:13 "Armor hit, deflection! Target still standing!" 😅
Thanks! Incredible concept. Amazing creation 👍 Nice use of the pelter genarators. 👌
Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed the concept-and yeah, those Peltier elements really add a unique twist to the design. Ever experimented with them yourself?
@ConceptCraftedCreations yes several times. I remember the first one I ever came across was in a 12 volt cooler. I played with it, and it condensed the water out of the air. After that I went to ebay and bought 10 large ones. I love that you can pull energy from them or supply energy to them. I used a couple in projects. One was as a cold substrate plate in my RfCVD unit. It's also fun to add them to a sterling cycle. Basically, the better the temperature gradient, the more energy you can get from the heat and cold of the environment. They are great for so many reasons. They are used on satellites that use radio isotope telescope to convert the thermal energy from the radioactive source. It's called a telescope because it's really a giant boom to keep the source away from the sensitive equipment. I've layered pyrolitic graphite onto one side with cvd and improved the efficiency 8 percent. If I had used cvd polycrystalline diamond coat, I'm sure it would have been even more impressive. Their nifty little solid state devices and are cheap to make. They could have uses that could generate power in ways that aren't intuitive. 🙂
@ConceptCraftedCreations Yes, I have. I pulled one out of a 12v cooler manny years ago and condensed moisture out of the air. After that, I bought 10 of them off eBay. I've used them as a solid state cold plate for CVD work in my vacuum chamber. They are really effective when the temperature gradient is high. They have been around for a long time. The first time I heard of them was from a friend who worked at JPL. They use them on satellites that use a radio isotope telescope. It generates electricity from the heat of the radioactive source and the cold vacuum of space. They are truly wonderful little device's.
@@friskydingo5370 That’s incredible! It’s amazing to see how versatile Peltier elements can be, especially with applications as advanced as CVD work in a vacuum chamber. Using them in space with a radioisotope power source must be next-level in terms of efficiency. Do you still use them in any of your current projects?
@ConceptCraftedCreations yes my cvd unit had electrical feed through, so it's easy to use it as a heater or cooler by flipping the voltage.
Your invention is incredible! I have dreamed about something like this my whole life, only I never advanced the concept as far as you have making the actual projectile manufacturing in the gun. Pure genius! No wonder the CIA was interested in this, there are applications that we can't even think of. Let's just say it's clearly far beyond playtime. Thanks for the video! Luke
You may be able to avoid the heat cycle if you made the freeze chamber cone shaped with the small end out the back. Anodizing it may also help. I would also water cool the petliers hot side with water from reservoir. Then air cool the water reservoir.
That’s a smart approach! A cone-shaped freeze chamber could make it easier for the ice to pop out without needing to heat it up. And combining water cooling for the Peltier with air cooling for the reservoir sounds like it’d boost efficiency. Have you used this kind of cooling setup before?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations I have not, but CPU water coolers should be easy enough to find. Going back and looking at the design you would also want to put a draft angle in the small water inlet and outlet holes in the direction of flow. You would also want to try and insolate the larger water inlet and outlet holes to try to prevent them from freezing. Maybe cutting a ring around them down far enough so they still have enough support would do the trick.
@@ConceptCraftedCreations My initial thought was to use the TEC waste heat for steam generation, skipping the compressor entirely. I haven't run any feasibility calculations for this, but food for thought. It's simple enough to add a resistive heater to supplement the TEC if needed. Obviously your pressure vessel needs to change if it's holding hot gas, but there should be a lot more space and weight budget without an air compressor.
I don't know how cantered (right word?) you would need the ice freezing chamber to ensure clean emptying, particularly given that it slightly expands.
@@ConceptCraftedCreations unless I don't understand something, the cone would have to be wide front small rear - which is aerodynamically unstable and opposite of what you want.
Very creative.
How about, instead of freezing water, you add a gelling-agent, making it a slime-gun :)
I wonder if that could keep the water-projectile from splitting up during flight.
OR
Encapsulate the water-projectile in a miniature water-balloon ... a thin rubber membrane of some sort.
Thanks! And the Mythbusters tried shooting ice bullets a few years ago en actually ended up using slime instead!🤓
Lethal Condom gun 😂
@@hopefullyhigh This was so funny I couldn't hold in the laughter😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@hopefullyhigh That literally came to my mind and I opened the replies thinking nobody would have typed that! right? but here I am laughing 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Haha, “Lethal Condom Gun” might just be the funniest twist yet! 😂 It’s amazing how one project can spark so many hilarious ideas. Thanks for the laughs, everyone-who knew tech could be this entertaining? 😆
The new water delivery system is looking good, solving heat stroke from a distance with this one
You could use a teflon layer inside the ice chamber so you dont have to heat it again, or you could let the steel chamber vibrate to make the ice pellet lose.
Just as info for folk who think PVC is a risk for storing air:
Have for over a dozen years been using Schedule 40 1/2" PVC pipe as air delivery in my garage, as suggested by the hardware store guy.
My compressor keeps the system at about 140 psi.
At this size, Schedule 40 has a rated capacity of 600 psi, printed right on the pipe, which at ~15 psi to the bar, I make to be approximately 40 bar.
3/4" can contain 480 psi, and as the size goes up, the pressure contained goes down.
The few times I've had failures, it's been separated or broken joints. A crack/break in a joint is, well, a leak. A separated joint COULD result in a length of pipe becoming a projectile, if it was secured only at that joint. Generally, it's secured at an opposite end, and clamped to a surface.
The strength of the pipe itself generally doesn't apply to fittings; solvent ball valves, for instance, are rated to about 150 psi. The solvent adhesive, if you have a good joint, is about as strong as the pipe; to get the best joint, you need a good mechanical fit, clean surfaces, primer solvent, and then the glue solvent, joints fully coated and pushed together with a twist.
By color, I'd guess the PVC in the video to be the even stronger Schedule 80, although I can't see to be sure. The itty-bitty air pump, if taken from SOME portable emergency tire pumps, MIGHT have a max (advertsed) pressure of 225 psi. Regardless of what projectile you launch with 150 psi (~10 bar) or more behind it, a) it will NOT travel as fast as a bullet, but b) you will NOT want to be hit by it. If sharp, could penetrate too far to be good for you. Ice, properly formed and frozen hard, would make a wonderful projectile. And, of course, leave no significant ballistic evidence. I suppose dry ice would be similar in those ways.
*Gray PVC pipe in video appears to be Schedule 80. ASTM D1785 pressure spec for 1" Schedule 80 is 630 PSI.*
Great idea, I'm litterely building a new workshop atm and air delivery has been on my mind....👍👌👍
I use PVC as well, but have researched a lot after being told that it's dangerous and came to the same conclusion. I will be replacing my PVC airlines with aluminum tubing. PVC tends to splinter when it cracks, turning it into a pipe bomb. All of my air lines are under 5 years old so they aren't old enough to be a problem yet, but I can no longer trust PVC after what I learned.
It's pretty safe to say that this is an ok water gun to bring when your kid invites you to a water gun fight next summer.
Ok So you didn't make a water gun you made an air pressure gun.
It doesn't shoot air pressure. It shoots ice propelled by air pressure just like a super soaker shoots water propelled by air pressure.
@meanunclebob1819 an Air pressure gun shoots projectiles propelled by air pressure.
@@Broetchen98 Nope, an air gun shoots projectiles propelled by air pressure. Go to any of the sites that sell them and look for an air pressure gun. Search the internet using the term "air pressure gun". Doesn't really matter that much because your original statement was nonsense because using air pressure to shoot water is pretty much the norm for modern water guns.
air rifle with compressed air is kinda popular for hunters outside america or countries that ban firearms for civilian use. the rifle used small pellet as a projectile, just half centimeter in size. the only difference is this guy in the video switched the pellet with ice. so his gun is still classified as homemade air rifle.
also i want to share important tips that you should know. you can upgrade this further by switching the pvc pipe with brass or steel and put pressure gauge on it. as a barista i worked with highly pressurized espresso machine for years and our machine never exploded because we don't ignore safety precautions unlike this channel owner.
All water guns are air pressure guns though, you can't compress water for effect.
Water bottle rockets are quite simple, ~60% water and 40% air to compress until the seal breaks and the rockets setts off.
"Squirt guns" are ofc different and has no practical effect other than children getting tiered from the trigger pump mechanic.
type: Sniper
Level: Legendary
damage: 999+
Cooldown time: 10-20 sec
no. of bullets: 1 per round
special ability: untraceable bullets
overall rating: 4.5 / 5 😎
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Actually, someone asked how long it takes to freeze the water and it would take up to 15 minutes.
So cooldown time would be 12-15 minutes.
Such cool engeneering! I also like very much that you can percisely see the progress with the leds
I love the design! Gorgeous and clever. How did this attract CIA, or was that a joke? I don't think of it as a water gun, more of an ice pellet gun, and yes, I know, ice is the solid state of water, but water guns (as playful toys to shoot at people safely) use liquid water (at non dangerous temperatures), not steam or ice. As your chat-AI said "6. Safety: unlike firearms, water guns are meant for innocent, playful interactions, making them popular as toys."
IIRC in 1970s the CIA had built (or pretended to have built) an ice gun for assassinations'. But instead of a complicated custom gun that froze ice on demand, it would be a more or less regular pistol that shot a projectile of a frozen toxin that would induce a heart attack into its target. So a person would be discretely shot, if at all feel an impact below the intensity of a BB gun and shortly suffer a heart attack. The rest of the projectile would quickly melt, leaving next to no trace. Autopsy would have a high chance to miss a tiny bruise and go for a natural cause instead.
Please try this with an air gun tank next!! Like the ones with 3000+ psi, also use a high flow valve, they usually need a high voltage capacitor discharge circuit to trigger, but can dump insane amounts of air very fast, used in airguns
I bet the bullet will disintegrate .. Would love to see.. But without a sabot it would be impossible I guess.
Surprisingly fair price from PCBway. Kudos
Honestly for custom made one off parts with that level of detail I honestly expected the price to be about 10 times what he actually paid. That's a fantastic deal and if I ever need anything made like that I definitely know where I'm going.
Welp, at this point its no more a water gun, but more Icicle rifle
Rifle the ice pellet, maybe with rifling along the inner barrel.
You might get something really wicked!!!😮
Projectile velocity increase by barrel length is only worth concern in normal combustion weapons. All the pressure is released immediately with an air gun, so all traveling down the barrel does is allow for rotation of the round to occur, improving accuracy.
10:15 - it's a ballistic. That the bullet is made of ice doesn't alter this.
Would like to see some more thorough testing. Like shooting at plywood and/or ballistics gel.
I'd try to get some ballistics gel but couldn't find anyone who sold it here unfortunately🤔
Puncturing 1-inch plywood is seen as a general stand-in for whether something is lethal or not.
@@ConceptCraftedCreations DIY ballistic gel is not hard to make, you just need the right proportions of gelatin and water. It's basically an extra-firm jello jiggler.
It won't be super clear like the stuff you can buy, but aside from that, it'll work okay.
One of the things I think that might do great for a design update would be a miniature AC compressor, you can get tiny ones that fit in your hand, that way the battery life would be much higher since you're using a 60-70% or so efficient BLDC-driven compressor rather than a 15% efficient Peltier cell. But this is awesome!
Once water is frozen into a solid, it ceases to be a water gun.
Fair point! Frozen water definitely shifts it into a whole different category. Maybe “ice blaster” or “frozen projectile launcher” is more fitting. Got any suggestions for a better name?
@@ConceptCraftedCreationsice AKal
frozen water is still water.
@@ConceptCraftedCreations
1 Frost Blaster
2 Ice Shard Cannon
3 Ice Launcher
We need to make a category of cryo projectile launchers. Because it belongs in that cool category!
This and the tree-power video are the first I'm seeing of you. I cant understand how you aren't more famous already, these are genius designs.
4:00 There had better be water in that pipe when testing, tank pressure testing is called hydrostatic testing for a reason.
To make a better tank, maybe use tightly wrapped surfboard fiberglass in epoxy around the pipe, especially the ends of the pipe. Then add a spring loaded limit valve to assure a pressure that is low enough.
It wont be filled with water its just for pressurised air to propel the ice. Although everything you said is correct otherwise.
@@Hurricayne92 When fabricating a pressure vessel, the first time you bring it up to pressure, you do a hydrostatic test with the vessel full of water with air as a source of pressure only at a pressure exceeding the maximum intended pressure substantially. This assures that first test is safe and all fills with air thereafter at the rated pressure are also safe.
I was thinking a carbon fiber sleeve around it. Handling that PVC under pressure while talking about how it was multiples over its safety factor definitely had me cringing.
That definition is censored and doesn't talk about riot water cannons or water cutting machines, all of which are water guns but not pc enough for shat gpt
You've got a good point! And those are way more powerful than my creation!😯
Water cutting machines rely on an abrasive powder to cut
"shat gpt" too true
@@jangchief water cannons are cannons, not guns. Nobody ever, on either side of a water cannon, called it a gun, ever.
I love how futuristic it seems, like the lights and the model, it's cool!
Thats pretty cool, but knowing the cooling capabilities of such TECs, cycling must take like 15 minutes xD
Sadly there is no vapor compression refrigiration on this scale
Edit: Hold up! Turns out there is! Rigid HVAC sells some absolutely tiny compressors with brushless motors!
You would just need to connect a radiator, an expansion valve and some copper piping and then fill it with refrigirant.
Good catch on the TEC limitations! The cycle time is definitely a challenge. Those Rigid HVAC compressors sound like a next-level solution-imagine the cooling power with a mini vapor compression setup! Might actually cut that cooldown by a huge margin. Ever worked with those tiny compressors before?
@ConceptCraftedCreations Sadly not. Not even with a full sized vapor compression system. I just watch hyperspace Pirate here on TH-cam 😂
@@engineer0239 Haha, Hyperspace Pirate has some great content! Vapor compression on this scale is definitely a big ask. If only we could scale down those systems to fit in a handheld device-imagine the possibilities! Do you think there’s any chance we’ll see tech like that become more accessible?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations Responding to comments is cool, but not when it’s obviously just chatGPT. Really?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations You could use Joule Thompson or evaporative cooling with Nitrous oxide. You could also use the same gas reservoir as the propellant. You can also use the same pressure to fill your chamber, close the exit port and pressurise your tank to two atmospheres and it will fill the chamber and compress all the trapped air into the overflow port.
All you need is a few valves and a reservoir to store one shot of gas (so it can expand faster than boiling when fired)..
I don't think you would need to heat the chamber to release the slug. Having a 1% taper would break it free, once moving it will deform to the size of the barrel easily.
Nitrous oxide cylinders come in many sizes these days for restaurant cream whippers and drag racing cars.
You’re a freaking genius dude, holy crap 🫨
That's a clever idea lightly heating up the ice pellet, good video 😎👍👍
If water guns were used in the military:
Jokes aside- this project was amazing, excellent work!
Haha, imagine the “ice division” in action! Jokes aside, I’m glad you enjoyed the project! It was a blast to make. Got any ideas on what other crazy “water gun” concepts could be fun to try?
It would be a wacky concept to make a gun that uses water balloons for ammo- don't know how it would work but it would be a good video nonetheless!
Ice needs water. Where the soldiers are doesn't have water. We lose.
@@robertsmith2956 unless you have large heavily armored water trucks with battleship cannons on top of them with a wide wheelbase that prevents falling over.
@@jackindustriesanimates Your forgetting the eco nuts want electric tanks. water and electricity don't play well together.
hits hard hits far but has a long cooldown
this is actually balanced enough to bring to a water fight
Haha, true! It’s like the “heavy weapon” of water fights-high impact but with that strategic cooldown. Just imagine everyone’s reaction when they see it in action! Would you actually bring this beast to a water fight?
I'd argue otherwise. It isn't going to do anything more than bruise someone... unless it hits them in the eye. It's essentially comparable, at close range at least, to an airsoft replica or paintball marker. It would only be safe as long as everyone was wearing face protection.
Speaking of which, I'd love to see it chronoed. It's just a top of my head guess but... I'd say somewhere between 250 and 350 fps? Of course, that's a pretty large range and I could be way off in either direction.
@@ericatkinson5433 wimp
This just came into my feed for some reason. Great work. There's a book by Dan Brown called Digital Fortress and guns that shot ice bullets were featured in them (at least in the beginning). Since the bullets were ice, they left nothing behind. No fingerprints or shrapnel that could be traced. It's the first thing I thought of when I saw the thumbnail. Interested in how you update the design.
maybe it would count as an air soft gun, but seems like a fun gadget, get a camel back and a power bank in your back pack and you could have a whole lot of ammo
I guess air soft would be the closest thing to it indeed! And what about free ammo when it rains?😋
5:15 my guess of 40€ was a tad small
Thought it would be 70€
Humble suggestion: Just slightly freeze the outside so that it holds together and helps prevent air resistance acting on such a large surface area, but melts from friction of air resistance after 10feet - that way it can be a fun toy again - shooting water.
Really nice work, looks like it’s straight out of overwatch, it’s got that retro future feel
Thanks! And i kind of went for that future look so i guess it worked out😎
if that’s what you went for, then I would say yeah, you did manage it
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The cop are still searching for the bullet
Haha, they'll be looking for a while! This "ice bullet" leaves no trace-just melts away. Perfect stealth mode! Ever thought of other creative uses for something like this?
There's an episode in the "bones" police TV show where someone uses a blood bullet to try to kill someone, and they barely were able to find the criminal that did so
That is so cool! What a fascinating idea, that thing looks to have almost the same power as a pellet gun which is unreal!
Only 241 moneys! Like that's peanuts lol
Clearly makes a lot of money from TH-cam😂
You're absolutely right about that! A better comparison might be the quote I got here locally for the same parts and to my surprise it was almost $200 more expensive there😯
@@ConceptCraftedCreations I am not saying PCB Way isn't offering compelling price models. And you're probably bound to sell it properly, but objectively 200+ is a huge amount of money for presumably most of your viewers. So putting it in context would've been more approachable for most of them.
@@ConceptCraftedCreations I didn't mean to criticise in any way, nor do I want you to answer in a way detrimental to your sponsors. I was merely making a joke.
For machined aluminium parts, I don't think it's too expensive.
I love the idea. But you get an F- on execution. You would have a solid A+ but you used PVC as a pressure vessel and showed all the kids that its ok to stand next to a pressure vessel that you're intentionally exceeding the rated max pressure of with ZERO ppe (at least that we could see).
I want to like you but this video could legitimately get someone killed. You showed how to create a pressure bomb (against youtube TOS, and possible ITAR regulated so possibly decades in prison) and acted like it was nothing to worry about.
Cmon dude. I had a cowoker years ago that had a pvc pipe explode next to him. Lost his left eye and was still having pvc fragments poking up through his skin every couple months even five years later. Did you know the doctors can't help you remove the pvc because it doesn't show on xrays?
You currently have 446k views on this. If only one percent try to do this and only one percent of those have a catastrophic failure from intentionally exceeding the rating of a pressure vessel, that's still 44 people that will be put in the hospital with serious injuries.
Please heed this warning. I'm all for people making their own things that go boom but at least show safe practices.
I applaud your craftsmanship and am awestruck by just how t how far out of the box you think. This is genius level tinkering.
Personally, I would call this the first conceptually practical ice pellet gun.
You can shoot at your friends with a water gun, because that’s playful and nobody gets injured. I wouldn’t point this thing at anything I didn’t intend to hurt.
why not use the hot side of the peltier module to superheat water into steam to push the ice using a piston at super high velocity
That’s an awesome idea! Using the hot side to create steam pressure could turn this into a steam-powered ice blaster with insane force. A piston-driven mechanism would definitely launch the ice at high speeds. Have you seen this concept used in other projects?
@ConceptCraftedCreations no never seen it done but i thought since you already have waste heat it might be possible to use it somehow if you already have water, steam canons do exist but they fire long rods grapple hooks at around 280 m/s
Interesting thought! Repurposing the waste heat for steam propulsion would be a clever way to increase efficiency. And 280 m/s for grapple hooks is seriously impressive-imagine the speed we could reach with a lightweight ice projectile! Think it’s worth a test run?
@@ConceptCraftedCreations as well if you use "water" with the right mineral mix it will freeze from the outside first and create a "shell"
@final_catalyst Fascinating idea! Creating an “ice shell” by using the right mineral mix sounds like an intriguing way to boost the projectile’s stability. Do you think this could help maximize the impact or even increase the range?
Good job. In the UK, if it has the energy of more than one joule - looks like it does - that's classed as a firearm. Go directly to Jail, do not pass Go, do not collect £200 (Monopoly joke) :-)
Wow. That's pathetic.
@@swahler34 yes and there’s a 5 year prison sentence for anyone that has an illegal firearm. However it does reduce gun crime here.
@@padi-instructor At the cost of increased knife & acid attacks. Even pepper spray is illegal. Leaving leaving law abiding citizens defenseless. From what I understand, you can be jailed for having an opinion that could be offensive.
Is that the UK you grew up in? I can sympathize. I've had the same "equipment" for 20 years. Purchased legally in NY. Now NY says I'm a criminal for owning it.
@@swahler34 All true.
Can’t you have an air gun with 12ft lbs or less energy without FAC in UK?
You don't need to use pressure. You can(in theory) use a percussion cap to propel a very thin plate that is frozen to an ice bullet, the ice bullet can be pre-made in a cryo-chamber. It might just blow the entire thing apart but if the ice bullet is solid enough it might work.
Awesome project but please be careful when pressure testing like that, at least put it it like a box or stand a bit further away 😅
I didn't understand that part of the project, but if he is compressing air, please pressure test it with water.
I got my safety glasses on🤓 Does that count?😋
@daviniusb6798 I know.. but the portable compressor doesn't work with water🤓
@@ConceptCraftedCreations No no you fill your reservoir with water and let the compressor pump in his air. If it explodes you only get wet insteat of having to pull out PVC from your chest (and the test is quicker this way). I guess it's irrelevant for this project, but if you like look up how to pressure test a miniature steam boiler or a waterrocket!
Great tip! Using water as a safer way to pressure test makes total sense-definitely less risk of flying PVC pieces if something goes wrong. I’ll look into those methods for future projects. Appreciate the safety advice!
Pvc shrapnel doesn't show up on xrays😅
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Ya seriously though, it would have been very easy to stand further away, or behind some barrier.
Even though it's compressed air, it can still go boom and ruin your day.
@@Chris-oj7ro and then he puts it next to his eyes in that gun. Would be so easy to make it with propper pressure rating. Steel pipes come to mind, he wouldnt even needed those fancy machined caps. But very cool project otherwise.
Good points! Safety is definitely a priority with compressed air and PVC. Steel pipes would be a much safer choice with the higher pressure rating-probably the way to go if I revisit the design. Appreciate the feedback, and glad you enjoyed the project overall!
What a great project. You did a great job. Keep up the good work.
I would use the "stuck" ice pellet as a pressure check thing for those vaccum guns.
Where you would create a vacuum and then pop the membrane in the front to shoot out the projectile.
But this time make it the other way around, create a shit ton of pressure until the pellet breaks free and shoots out!
That’s a solid idea! Using the ice pellet as a sort of “pressure release” would definitely add some extra punch to the shot. Reversing the vacuum gun concept to build up pressure and then release it all at once sounds intense! Ever thought about building something like this yourself?
I don't see that creating consistent muzzle velocity, and, you wouldn't get an immediate discharge upon pulling the trigger.
Pure genius. A clear breakthrough in technology. Lots of uses, peaceful and military. As an example, bigger versions for drone warfare. Obviously this is only the beginning, We will see more sophisticated versions, larger, longer, more powerful propulsion systems, etc. I see this as a more conventional version of the rail guns the Navy has been working for so long. I don't know if practical for long range; but, ammo cost is minimal, nuclear engines could provide whatever electricity needed, and ammo storage means a water tank. How would you defend against a projectile with no magnetic signature, virtually no radar cross section. Amazing.
air rifle with compressed air is kinda popular for hunters outside america or countries that ban firearms for civilian use. the rifle used small pellet as a projectile, just half centimeter in size. the only difference is this guy in the video switched the pellet with ice. so his gun is still classified as homemade air rifle.
also i want to share important tips that you should know. you can upgrade this further by switching the pvc pipe with brass or steel and put pressure gauge on it. as a barista i worked with highly pressurized espresso machine for years and our machine never exploded because we don't ignore safety precautions unlike this channel owner.
The difference is that a rifle is rifled
That is a pressurized gun
Yes some countries even ban air rifles (non-rifled; stuff like a bee-gun)
Possible improvements: multiple barrels (3-6) to cycle through with their own ammo chambers, like a Gatling gun for rapid-ish fire; using the same concept you could theoretically craft a shotgun style blunderbuss model for extra “get off my lawn” effect; ionize the water/ice and use magnetic propulsion in addition to compressed gas for a rail gun effect because why the hell not; making the ice out of a favorite beverage and shooting the pellets into people’s mouths to make their summer vacations even better from afar (because why not?).
I am so impressed with what people call “simple ideas” when they literally invent a toy gun from the year 3,091 A.D. just because. Epic!
A practical way to maintain your ice-based concept without unwanted blockages is to exploit the fact that water’s freezing point decreases under higher pressure. By keeping the water in a pressurized, chilled environment, it can remain liquid even at temperatures below its normal freezing point. The moment it exits into lower pressure and warmer conditions, it quickly freezes and delivers the intended icy impact.
This tactic solves two opposing needs-liquid flow internally and solid formation upon discharge-without compromise. It’s all about balancing the forces at play: pressure, temperature, and flow work together to ensure fluidity inside the device, followed by a swift transition to ice when released.
I would consider looking into heavy water, and other options that might make ice with higher compression tolerance, and also have an additional heater around the front of the ice cylinder, with a wedge ring shaped conductor to make the tip smaller and tapered, to focus the power of the initial impact.
Those two things should drastically improve the performance and range.
Very innovative with existing technology! Well done!
This is the most futuristic weapon iv ever seen. Super impressive and yes it’s definitely a water gun. Thinking outside the box and pushing boundaries are how the best inventions are created
if you made the ice chamber conductive, but then isolated that area, you could discharge a capacitor through it to flash melt only the outside ice. This would give you an infinite hold time and very short lock time. It would be difficult to do all of that and ALSO have a short freeze time though. There aren't many materials that conduct heat well, but don't conduct electricity. Looking at the list of available materials that fit the bill, stuff like Boron Nitride and Beryllium Oxide...probably not in your budget range, but that would be a really cool setup. Perhaps a thin teflon coating would work? or a layer of kapton tape?
To reduce wait time, perhaps your water source could be ice water stored in an insulated container like a thermus.
To make it more of a water gun, it'd be cool if the ice was only thin enough to coat a pocket of water, but by the time it reaches it target it melts.
Nah, ice gun better
You don't need heating elements. Just use h-bridges for the TEJ's and reverse the polarity to heat the water. The heat stored in the sinks, the heat from the power the TEJ's consume, and the massive surface area should make the cycle time faster than with the heating elements.
Legally speaking, in the USA it is "not a firearm", and in Australia it is a firearm. I think its just a very cool watergun.
Building it in a smaller caliber, like .22 or .17 would not only make the recasting process faster, but allow you to use a standard sizes rifled barrel liner. This would make the build lighter, faster and more accurate; all important qualities in a -firearm- icearm.
dude's chainsmoking ciggies while hes inventing new weapons
you earned my sub lol
I have long loved the idea of sci fi weapons or systems that could "microprocess" projectiles in the field.
The flash freezing a liquid is a great solution.
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Immediately subbed when i realized what was going on
It counts as a water GUN