they tried to do this shit when the EU said that every phone has to use USB-C. They were working on proprietary software to only use fast charging with their charges even though it can be done with any cable. The EU said that wasn't allowed.
"Software shall not be used to impede the replacement of a portable battery or LMT battery, or of their key components, with another compatible battery or key components." From text adopted by Parliament
Cant wait to see how the manufacturers work around this. Probably gonna make it so putting a third-party battery in your phone murders it or something.
@@cazek445 They could make it more subtle. Like, limiting the maximum charge because the battery isn't "genuine". Even printers will reject third-party cartridges in today's age. Anything can be programmed to disappoint I'm afraid...
They'll probably do this but then never offer replacement batteries. "Yeah sure we'll make replaceable batteries but have fun with Xiaoing brand if it goes out."
EU made it's way from banning memes to literally uniting smartphone community by making everyone use type C outlet, and coming back to great tradition of swapping batteries What a great character developement
i remember the article 13 thing but apparently it was a bit overblown by the public, that thing seems to not be directed at users or users' content but only some companies
That's a myth. And it's terrifying people believe that. It was literally a joke, that the market decided on the C port all by themselves and the EU came long after, the joke was that after 10 years EU will claim it was thanks to them, it wasn't lmao.
The biggest thing keeping me from keeping a phone for years and years is the fact updates usually stop coming way before the phone hardware is ready to retire
Meh modern phones has peaked since years ago, android 10 to current one are so similar that I don't even know why Google keeps making major releases now instead of just doing rolling releases
This needs to happen! Such a backwards step when phones went to non-removable batteries. It will extend the life of phones by so much. No throwing away after 2 years.
my lgv20 was awesome i had extra removable batteries and instead of charging i would have one charged fully from a dock and just swap it in and bang you got yourself a camping trip without needing the portable batteries
@@AJ12Gamerthere is no such thing as security update😂, they're just adding more and more feature to bloat the device and makes it slower to use, and makes you think you need a new phone
Don't forget how the removable battery and cover act as a crumple zone to relieve shock when you drop the phone. Removable battery phones rarely broke when dropping them. The energy was released by launching the cover and battery across the room. :-)
I have three old Samsung Galaxy phones with removable batteries which I've dropped more times than I can count, and nothing happened to them. So I agree.
Yes!! my first Galaxy Note was dropped from a balcony, about 8 meters on concrete. Inserted the battery, worked as always, screen perfect with no glass protector. 🖤
Personally, I think that in the near future, all tech needs to be as flexible, modular, user serviceable, and non-proprietary as possible. If there are worldwide enforceable regulations it'll mean that manufacturers will need to up their aesthetics/ergonomics game and be as creative as possible in order to make their products unique and appealing to consumers.
@@imstupidbut maybe a decade ago, but nowadays, I wouldn't be too sure. My GPU was low-end when I bought it 4 years ago, but I only had to replace it because AMD cut software support
Modern electronics design is all about short term consumption. They want you to keep buying and incompatibility is one of the most effect way to force it upon you.
@@imstupidbut The only reason I, personally, would buy a new phone is if it stops working. And usually, the first thing that makes it unusable is the battery.
@@youreokayboah2128 Finance, not money. Money is just a tool, like a drill or a weapon. It is the individual who operates the tool or the individuals who are operating the tool who must be examined. These issues cannot be addressed by personifing the tool or a casual reduction fallacy.
Since the beginning they always have been doing that, but yeah there have been recent acts which the end-user immediately notices. They attempt to act in the people's best interest at least. That's not so obvious for smaller parties as governments while they should do the same. I think the large bargaining power is what makes it possible. The US could do the same but they are too ideologically attached to the wild free market and being corrupt in general.
those missing features & "security" updates are nearly meaningless. A working system should run for years. I still have a totally outdated Windows 10 (version 1809)
It's the old environments being torn apart by the updates themselves to their components that get progressively less and less compatible with each other as you update some and leave others behind. Most phones work well when you factory reset them and abstain from updating software wothout total necessity.
As an American, I'm actually very thankful for moves like this from the EU. They affect the world globally, and aid us in addressing many of these issues with privacy practices and electronic waste disposal in the US, too.
@@edelkebaphow so? EU privacy laws is pretty extensive. An easy example would be a citizens ability to block certain Google search results that relates to them. Which is why you see at the bottom a message telling you how many results have been hidden. Another would be cookie laws.
The EU is a very big and very bad organization. They do a lot of surveillance and regulate the shit out of everything. It's not good and this one thing is nothing to be thankful for in this context
I liked it when phones had removable batteries. It gave me a sense of control when the phone would ever act weird. Having a force stop option with a dissuading pop-up every time isn't quite the same.
@@borisso3465yeah when i got my second phone i was so confused what to do if the phone stopped working (happened to my first one a _lot_ ) But thankfully my second phone is still working fine to this day and just restarts itself when there's any trouble. ✓
@@borisso3465there is a hard switch off, i genuinely thought i had to do that too but if you hold the power button long, like really, really long, it does a hard shutoff no matter how frozen it is
One important privacy consideration: You can now actually, definitely disable your phone while still having it on you, even if you didn't go for one with hardware switches. If you don't want big brother to be watching, pop out the battery.
@@fotoschopro1230 while this is true, those batteries have to run out of juice eventually. but the best way to stop big brother from watching is to not bring your phone.
Features removed a decade ago only coming back because manufacturers are forced to by regulation. Thank you EU. May they keep pushing in this directions including right to repair.
Gosh, and the BS reasons they gave for removing these features. The young Zoomers don't understand the glory days of bringing a spare battery on the long field trip bus ride to swap out the battery after yours ran out playing Subway Surfers.
I think apple astroturfed it out of the market. I remember a mocking point for android was "the battery will fall out" or similar. Funny enough it's incredibly useful to be able to remove them.
The back of the case of my phone (s5) was flimsy and often come off. Once it come off and my mini SD card came out too and I never found it. Lost 2 years worth of my pictures including 2 children. So very sad. These days I have auto back up to google photos just incase.
Those power banks kind of existed back in the day. There were extended capacity packs that did alter the shape/size/weight of the phone but would run for several hours or even a day more. I can imagine power bank makers just retooling these into shaped packs to fit mobile phone models.
There are power banks which are made as a case in which you put your own battery cells yourself. These and the "power bank phone-cases" still exist now. The only issue that the battery cells themsevles are extremely hard to ship for a good price, possibly due to lobbied obstructive measures.
But why would you need that if you could just replace your battery whenever needed. What would be useful is a charger for the spare battery, so that the spare can be charged while the other battery is inside your phone.
Small power banks aren't going anywhere unless all smartphone batteries are standardized. If you have multiple battery powered devices, it's much more convenient to have one charging bank for everything rather than carry 5 different batteries for each device.
I don't think we will get a win, the power imbalance between producers and us, the consumers, will always make us lose, so DRM or some other caveat it is
Lets not forget that Galaxy S5 was waterproof, but still had removable battery. Also Samsung still manufactures Xcover models with removable batteries and dirt/water proof.
The S5 felt really cheap compared to other flagships like the Xperia Z3 or the iPhone 6. There was a reason they went for glass backs in the S6. And the waterproofing is only as long as the cover is on, so if the cover pops out on impact the ip rating doesn't matter anymore.
A good method that I found to keeping older phones in a case was to get a more rubber / silicone based one that had some flexibility and put some layers of printing paper in the back for extra padding. Lot less issues that way at least personally. A little DIY can go a long way.
You forgot one important thing: you can be sure your phone it's off when you remove the battery. Also by the battery not being connected to the pins it doesn't drain at all compared to the phone when it's off, for emergency situations
i didn't knew u can't remove batteries on some phones, lol. i would use those only if they were gifted,i would never pay for such things, lol. wonder how companies scammed ppl to pay for that
@@todaybuycheapsellhigh8072I mean....you could just recharge them with batteries charges or just charge your phone > swap batteries > charge again to always have a reserve batterie
@@essef.That makes no sense, you cant power the motherboard without DC power, from the battery. With no battery, the board isnt powered so what are you referring to, a hidden battery?
I used to carry around a stack of 5 batteries in a little plastic case, very similar to those 3DS cartridge cases. Driving through outback Australia without spare batteries was and still is tantamount to suicide.
With regards to water resistance, the Samsung Galaxy S5 had a removable battery, whilst still having an IP67 water resistance rating. It's likely that there won't need to be a trade-off, unless manufacturers purposefully want to make their phones more brittle to regain their lost sales revenue.
@@chumanho IP68 phones are not waterproof either. Yes they can stay underwater for some time but certainly not forever. Waterproof means forever so they are still only water resistant.
@@dayko. I doubt any people need their phones to be able to be immersed in water forever, it's just that IP68 phones can be immersed in a greater depth for a longer period of time than IP67 phones.
Nobody should be scubadiving with their phone. Obviously your phone shouldn't get damaged by exposure to water droplets like when it rains. Maybe if people drop their phones in a lake by accident, it would be nice if they could retrieve them without damage in ~15min or smth. But tbh I would take removable battery over submerged water-resistance anyday. Never dropped my phone in a lake and never will.
@@Anton-rr9kw I live on an island and have to take a ferry every time I need to go to the city. Shipwrecks have happened before, and I definitely want my phone to function when I need it the most. Replaceable battery, to me OTOH, is not a life and death situation.
I like replaceable batteries but adding that mechanism will cost space which could be used for more hardware or a bigger battery. Also with all this different quick charge technologies I'm not sure if you could use any other battery to benefit from them. And if you need to buy a battery from the manufacturer to make use of it, it won't be cheap.
Another pro of having a removable back is that it makes the phone less prone to breaking when dropped. The back case popping off when your phone hits the ground disperses alot of energy and reduces the impact on your screen.
No bro, technology can change over time. Last thing I want is more red tape from the govt when it's not strictly necessary. The battery thing was getting quite wasteful, but 9mm jack is not like a fundamental aspect of audio reproduction
But this is not what EU is going to mandate. They are just going to mandate that batteries are replaceable with off-the-shelf tools available to consumers. I can't believe you people are so gullible, misinformed and just wrong about everything. Do you do no research?
For the very few that have never seen a waterproof watch before that has replaceable batteries, or any older phone that had water resistance. The way you can ensure water resistance is kept was adding a rubber ring around the edges of the back that kept the insides airtight after the back was snapped /screwed on back and it was wonderful.
I used to have a Samsung Galaxy Xcover 4 with a detachable back and battery, it just had a rubber ring on the back plate around the battery and it is still IP67 water resistant
@@dbro1205 I think even IP68, not that sure though, but the newer ones (XCover Pro (5th) and XCover Pro 6) both have IP68 and you can still open the back!
Hope this really does happen, but it feels too good to be true. I feel like there will be some loophole to make it impractical to switch batteries while still making them technically "removable"
EU tends to go pretty hard on corporations. Not because of any heroic virtue or anything, but because they see corporations as a legitimate threat to their power. Corporate lobby just isn't as powerful in EU as it's in US. Consumer benefits are more of a collateral coincidence than EU being actually based. They are senile bureaucrats deadly afraid of corporations taking away their power, and sometimes regular people benefit from this feud.
They better add better warranties on motherboards, modems, camera sensors. Also bring back headphone jack or additional type c port for Audio and Sd Card slot.
There were water resistant phones with removable batteries. Samsung made those sturdy series with button keypads. There were also commercial aimed phones that had removable batteries and water/dust proofing
@@Kacpa2 it actually does, don't forget that your phone has holes in it, so if you do not bring your phone directly to someone who can open it to remove water from the inside, sone of your conponents has a chance do be oxydated after
This is true, but let's be honest, the water resistance sucked on the S5 which was the only Samsung phone that had a removable battery and water resistance. It is undeniable that the water resistance is better with glued phones.
I actually had an old phone that became unusable due to the screen display dying, and I got the same model afterwards. The old one became a glorified charging dock for batteries, and that was perfectly fine by me! 😅
@@meikamandoliini you said "to reduce waste you need to buy a powerbank". But e-waste comes from overconsumption and lack of reusability. So basically buying a new powerbank is anything but reducing e-waste. In that regard replaceable batteries are better solution than having powerbanks.
I'm not european and I def don't live anywhere even close to europe, but still I'm so proud of the EU's latest decisions...first, they make it legally difficult for big data vultures like Meta/Facebook to breach your privacy, now they make the tech market healthier for the consumer. Congrats from Brazil, EU!!
Yeahr .. but now meta has blocked their threads (twitter like) app in europe because of privacy laws. Lots of sites of american newspapers cant be reached from europe because of european laws. What if phone makers say we are not going to export anymore to europe. Like apple needs to add a usb port and removeable battery. And each time i come on a new website i need to click some cookie popups away because of european laws. Also if they cant target ads on people anymore on youtube they might have to show 3 times the number of ads to make the same amount of money to be able to pay for harddisks and servers to store video. Often the people who make these laws seem to be clueless about the subject like with the cookie law, they should have asked do you want to be tracked instead of do you want cookies, as cookies are usefull for things like preferred language or currency. And with the usb port on phones .. they call it a charge port. But on iphone it is really a docking port, as with it you can also connect the phone to a dock with speakers or video and other things. Maybe they should have said a phone needs a usb port OR a wireless charging option .. the coils all phones have in the back now. Which might also make it easier to charge in public places.
@@apsdev What? Manufacturers wont leave the EU because of laws like this or most others. They would lose a substantial chunk of the market if they did. What are you going on about?
@@apsdev I don't know what you're saying, but the EU is the largest importer of apple products and Samsung phones. The goal is not completely focused on the convenience of the consumer or the companies to stop selling their products in Europe but to stop the monopoly, they ensure that the market no longer differs and evolves. The EU wants to stimulate competition and that is only possible if other companies can participate, which will lead to more innovation.
@@Gaming_Stuff this is simply not true, you are only repeating the lies of greedy smartphone makers. The Samsung S5 is water resistant, "With IP67 certification, Samsung claims the Galaxy S5 can withstand being submerged in up to one metre of water for up to 30 minutes."
@@eclipsek0 I'm not exactly sure what you're implying with this comment. As far as I've seen, Valve has been very pro-consumer and pro-right-to-repair with their Steam Deck. You can buy replacement parts for it off the shelf, the board inside has an NVME slot for people who want to upgrade it with more storage space, and they even uploaded a video showing how to take it apart to swap parts.
Im still using this as well. What reason is there to change unless i wanted to game on the phone (i dont)? Didnt even know android doesnt have swappable batteries anymore. If not 3.5mm does that mean you must use wireless buds in modern phones?
My first smartphone was a Samsung Galaxy Mini back in 2013, during my last year of high school. The screen broke after a couple of months, so my dad bought me another Samsung Galaxy Mini. Now I had two batteries. One charge didn't last a day, so I started swapping batteries. I used the broken phone to charge the spare battery, so I didn't even need to charge the good phone. I felt like a tech genius. Last week I was with one of my former school mates and he talked about how I used to swap batteries. They still remember.
I used a Positivo cellphone (cheap Brazilian phone maker) it was my first phone that me and my brother got, the charger port in mine broke because it fell on a toothpick (don't ask me how, I got no idea) and we had to use my old grandma's Android KitKat phone to switch batteries (keep in mind that this was 2016, my family went from Android KitKat to Android 7 very slowly)
I got a dedicated external battery charger and 2 extra batteries for my galaxy s3 back in the day. If you were very quick you could swap the batteries out without the phone turning off. Very rarely did I have to plug the actual phone in
Will manufactures try to get ahead of the game and bring out removable battery phones in near future or hold out until the very last moment? Re upgrading for reasons other than battery, unfortunately they bring out apps which won't run on older android versions.
I think this may actually help the battery bank market. They'll probably begin making replacement rear cases with extended battery life. Of course, Apple and Samsung will probably just move the battery to behind the screen.
Yes the batteries are already behind the screen, but they aren't removable. On devices with removable batteries, typically the back cover comes off to expose the battery. Why? It's the least cost and lowest risk to have an untrained consumer replace a battery. If they break the back cover they can use tape to hold it in. However, if a consumer replaceable battery is located in a way where the consumer must remove remove the screen to replace a battery, this would be a dream for big tech because now they'll sell tons of screens from people breaking them all the time.
This will have the knock on effect of making it easier to get safely into the guts of the phone; and if people get use to that they start pushing for other parts to be more replaceable.
My previous phone was a Samsung Galaxy J3 Prime. Having a replaceable battery was one of the main reasons I bought it. When my phone started having performance issues due to the battery dying, it was $25 for a new battery, and everything worked as intended. It was awesome!
@@infinitieunique The hardware was extremely outdated. I couldn't update most of my apps as they were no longer supported on Android 7. Upgrading Android to a newer version wasn't possible due to the hardware limitations. Plus, I started to run into storage issues as that phone only had 10 GB internal storage. It was finally time for a new phone, albeit without an easily replaceable battery or headphone jack :(
@@infinitieunique "No longer supported" as in apps were no longer going to be receiving security and/or perfomance updates. Some apps flat-out broke (like MS Teams). Some of the apps I needed for work, so I didn't have much of a choice but to upgrade to a newer phone.
Your voice doesn't matter to the EU as an "American". You should spend your time lobbying your own government for change, like every "American" should.
@@bigsmoke4568 Americans in the 50s used to make things like transformers, fridges were you can replace everything, cars, radios, etc. All changed in the 60s when the elite took control of that country killing the president
@@bigsmoke4568 if you want change you should support the companies who go in the direction you want, not go to the government so that they, at the expense of people who might disagree, force everyone to agree with you. That is the easy and immoral way to solve problems, and that mentality will fire back sooner or later.
Headphone jack needs to be next, it's actually ridiculous that you have to pay more for features that were free on older phones. Apple's greed knows no bounds.
"You will include the headphone jack. You will include the expandable storage. You will not lock down the bootloader to prevent the customization. And, you will not keep on adding these silly cameras to the smartphone. You will be allowed to have only 2 cameras. One on the front and one on the back." Strongly agreed.
the EU needs to keep their grubby hands out of our pockets. this literally feels like something out of a dystopian movie. what’s next? phones aren’t allowed to have built in web browsers? magsafe isn’t allowed to exist?
@@imstupidbutthis is literally just "right to repair" and "right to ownership" as for far too long and far too frequently companies have taken the "yours to use, ours to own" BS to the quite extreme (depending on the company) If it settles you, as a european that has grown up in the EU, I highly doubt they'll prohibit built in web browsers and do away with "magsafe" (whatever that is) on the basis that it's just too much hassle to go through with, compared to hardware design and "the right to fully own"
I would rather have like 4 cameras on the back and 0 on the front, honestly. It's nice imo to have a versatile camera in your pocket that has a standard, wide lens, and zoom lens, at least. Selfie cameras are useless to me.
I loved the Xiaomi Mi 2 phone. Came with a 3000 mAh battery but had a replacement shell that allowed putting in a 5500 mAh one. Used the small one for every day use and the big one for traveling. Both versions even came with a fitting protective silicone bumber.
@@bigblockman11imagine being silly enough to think that China having your data is somehow different and more nefarious than Korea or Cupertino, California having your data. I mean, all that info is for sale. If China wanted it, they’d simply pay Google and Apple and Samsung for it. What a dork
If you are not going for top of the line, something like the Galaxy A52 has 3.5 jack, NFC, FM radio, OTG, plenty RAM and storage in different models. Is posible to root it (except in the U.S.), water resistant, and there are 5G models... So, there are still some models out there with all that. I hope that we still have options in the future...
Actually I strongly support this! The only downside: I am a great fan of outdoor/waterproof phones. However, if the phone lid can be completely taken of, that makes it harder to build a phone that's water proof. On the other hand: Since outdoor phone like the Ulefone Armor X10 are physically indistructable, a changable battery is the only thing missing to extend the phone's lifespan to... very long. 10 years?
There is a spray that inexpensively can make a phone waterproof - helping the phone become more waterproof was just a strawman argument that didn't hold water (no pun intended).
No worries, the EU regulation has a lot of exceptions built in, so you probably won't see many phones with removable battery behind a simple cover anyway. It's just all those news outlet parroting each other without actually checking.
It won't be much harder. The lid would have to be designed properly, clamp on firmly and have a simple rubber seal. That's literally it. Just look at any food container with an airtight lid, not complicated at all.
This can still happen. There’s nothing in the legislation about having a secondary low level power source for such a thing. As long as the phones main battery bank is removable. Those “always on” chips in phones are extremely low power so imagine like a tiny 250mah embedded battery JUST for powering those super low power devices. I’m highly expecting there to be strings attached to this change, so to speak.
I'm so furious that this feature went away. On my last phone, I had four batteries, and a charger that would charge them without them being in the phone. It was such a good feeling knowing I actually had enough juice to get me through the whole day, plus enough to last me while the empty ones were charging.
You should take a look at the Samsung xcover 6 pro, fully waterproof with a swappable battery. It takes about 60 seconds to swap to a new battery that you had recharging on a rack, AND it has a microSD card slot AND a headphone jack.
@@heroninja1125 It's disturbing that I'm excited to hear about features that would have been bog standard ten years ago, but I really am. I'm gonna check it out!
they can keep it water resistant by making a battery that can be replaced like a SIM card with the SIM tray. You know, that thing you have to poke with the specific tool they give you to unlock the tray. I think that'd be pretty cool and functional
Was thinking about this as well. Hell, do it with all the components connecting to a central motherboard in sandwich arrangement and you got yourself a completely modular phone
This was there own falt A passed down phone(fully cracked) was about to explode when i found it(only batterys do that) I still have a phone in perfect condition AND i can change the battery on it
I remember back in the mid 2010's when my Samsung Galaxy S3 had a removable battery. Whenever I ran out of battery, I could swap it out with another one or even a bigger one with a larger back panel. It made the phone thicker but it was worth it.
I think that those regulations don't forbid, for example, battery cases that are fixed in place by Phillips screws, or battery cases that require to put a paperclip in the hole to open them much like SIM and SD card slots on most phones. This makes it relatively easy to design water-resistant devices as well as eliminates the risk that battery case will open by itself if the phone will hit the ground
I think there can be a major difference between replaceable batteries and the removable batteries we had in the past. There can still be screws (nonproprietary ones) holding a backplate and ensuring a seal, while remaining user replaceable
@@madbruv Again, it's not that simple. Otherwise we'd have the option, even in most modern budget phones now it's all sealed up. Being THIN with GREAT protection against debris and having a replaceable battery system isn't that simple.
It is that simple, it always has been and lots of devices including modern smart phones have had that feature the same you can have any electrical connector be intrusion safe against liquids. The difference is 0.5€ and 1.50€ per phone in manufacturing costs.
@@sinnwalkerAre you dumb? Are you suggesting cheap phones don't have replaceable batteries because if it was useful, it would exist there? Are you forgetting the Galaxy S5 had a removable battery, removable back cover AND 3.5mm jack WHILE HAVING IP68. Not to mention, even today, NOT A SINGLE COMPANY THAT SELLS WATERPROOF PHONES HONORS THE WARRANTY OF WATER DAMAGED PHONES. What the fk are you even on about?
I remember when phones had removable batteries, I swapped the battery at least 3 times and extended its life for years. I only gave it up when updates had stopped and the OS was too old. I had a friend who did the exact thing you described in the video, he had a case that could fit 4 batteries in it. He used a spare phone to charge them at home then throw them in the case for long trips. He'd have at least 4 days worth of battery life from that case.
This is inexcusable! I have a tablet where the battery began to swell, forcing me to get rid of it. Unfortunately, it was taped and there were apparently wires or something that got ripped out, so basically I have to throw away the whole tablet now.
I know someone that took out the battery and had a special charger to charge it separately without another phone. It was kinds funny how it worked so well. He had 200% battery at all times
I used to work 12-hour shifts as a security guard, if I wasn't able to change the battery on my phone I literally could not call people to let them know I needed to get picked up
@@RomvnlyPlays You shouldn't need to rely on solutions that were created and sold from manufactured problems. Stop willingly allowing corporations and governments take your rights away, man 🤦
@@ConsensusX A manufactured problem is still a problem that needs to be dealt with, it is no excuse. While trying to keep your rights, you need to stay safe. That is the bottom line. EDIT: To be 100% clear, I don't see the OP's comment being a valid example of replaceable batteries, the issue being they weren't prepared.
I feel like there is one major innovation other than cameras. Storage. A decade ago storage was terrible. Yet now you can easily get 1 terabyte of storage on a smartphone.
As a German I have to say, that accent was priceless. I'm not sure whether the batteries are going to be that hot-swappable. There is a chance that they might include a water-seal that breaks on removal. So that you can swap them yourself, but only for a one-time replacement per battery. Let's see what they come up with to separate RAW from RAI this time.
I think that wouldn't work. Like, that's basically needing to break your phone in order to open it, or needing someone specialized to open then close it for you. Maybe the companies could use that for a year or so, but I don't see judges letting that go, at least not in Europe.
"a portable battery or LMT battery shall be considered readily replaceable where, after its removal from an appliance or light means of transport, it can be substituted by another compatible battery without affecting the functioning, the performance or the safety of that appliance or light means of transport." From adopted text
@@spl420 I read this as "you can take the battery out easily and replace it with an equivalent battery." Doesn't specifically say, that you can put the same battery back in. It just says that the appliance is unaffected, not the battery. But I might be off. Portable should mean portable.
Not exactly, for what I read in the proposal, the main difference will be that the batteries may not be glued in place, require custom tools for replacement, or be paired with the rest of the phone in software. So not a thing about quick swapping, but still - small victory.
@@CubicApocalypse128 It's much easier than that if they dare to be so obvious about it: Software pairing for US model batteries, but not for the EU models.
I've been rocking a samsung j3 for well over 5 years now and its so good to get a new battery by like 20€ and change it myself, at this point i've bought like 3 or 4 new batteries but for a 100-something€ phone its still kicking
@@Belojadransky13 I have tried wireless earbuds before and I liked them. But I hated having to charge them constantly, the connection issues i'd have from time to time, not to mention the constant anxiety about their batteries dying on the best part of the song. I went back to wired buds after almost two years and never looked back, I can tolerate untangling the rats nest if it means one less thing with batteries to charge.
@@TheAutisticOwlget some quality ones. Cheap wish buds wont make you happy. Good one have no connectivity issues and battery lasts about 5h. I just take mine out and they instantly connect to my phone and or tablet
What I‘ve seen mentioned around a couple places that I really like is the suggestion of the battery being replaced similar to the SIM card. little tray or something in the side that pops open and allows you to get the battery out through said hole and replace it.
@@kajmak64bit76 I think that might work, newer phones already have a battery divided into parts, but I don't know it if wouldn't be too complicated and hard to achieve
But not for cheaper, otherwise it would already be a thing. And that price has to be paid for every consumer, including those who were not necessarily interested.
This is great, It solves a very annoying issue with batteries warping which can destroy the entire phone. This means you can just swap out the battery when its damaged and not risk your phone blowing up in your face.
but i think The EU did a lot more good than bad and united Europe like never before but of course there is a lot of stuff thats far for perfect and needs improvement. But thats how politics work unfortunatly but if i look accross the world we have it far better than most of the world and the EU cares at least about its people to a certain extent and thats not the norm in most of the world sadly
I might be wrong but when I read the news it said that the battery should be easily user replaceable, so not necessarily pretty much swappable in a matter of seconds, but without the use of any special tools, knowledge and glue. So I believe plain old screws are going to make a comeback. I'm sure we'll still have glass-backed phones, with wireless charging and proper water resistance. It's not impossible to mount the glass to a carrier frame that can be screwed to the main chassis without any visible screws. The engineers just need to be smart about it.
You are right, most people are misinterpreting this new regulation. They will have to be easily replaceable without proprietary tools (unless shipped with the phone) and heat. This is about extending phone longevity so most phones will probably still not feature easily swappable batteries.
Keep in mind, having removable batteries does not mean you will be able to swap them on the go. For what i understand the legislation is focused on ease of repair and recycling; the manufacturers most likely will keep using permanent glue and the sorts for that sweet sweet ipx rating and propietary repair services.
@@burn_out It must not include heat or solvents. However, it doesn't state "commonly", it states "commercially available", "not proprietary" and "not specialized" (unless it comes with the device for free). That means everyone can buy the stuff, but if the manufacturers really want, they could use tools that nobody has instead of basic tools like screwdrivers.
One point you did not mention is that when embedded batteries degrade, they tend to swell and exert force on the internal components. I remember my old phone's screen warping and popping out slowly with the battery expansion. It is a common issue with phones and tablets. I support this regulation by EU. Great video man! Subscribed! ❤
@@sammyd7857 This occurred during the COVID-19 lockdown. I was in quarantine and electronics shops were closed. At that time, Chinese imports were banned in my region. Due to this, costs of all components had more than doubled. Chaos was spreading like wild fire! My business was suffering loss and I had to shut it down. I had no source of income. People had lost jobs and it seemed bad to ask them about a trivial phone battery. Technicians were not able to find a compatible spare battery. I was all alone and there was nobody to help me. The woman who once loved me decided to abandon me. I had outlived my utility and she saw me as disposable now. I was helpless; I was sitting in front of the phone all the time bearing the false hopes that she would change her mind and call me back. I had no option but to keep staring at the phone and watch its battery swell day after day. I had sunk into depression; there were bigger worries in my life and the battery was the least of my worries.
If they could perfect super-caps with more energy density which charges up fully in a few minutes and never degrades due to no chemical reaction (uses static charge), that would be the holy grail of cellphone batteries. they could just seal it in forever and it would outlast the lifetime of the phone. ;)
As the EU mandates this very useful policy I hope they also establish a framework for standardization of all batteries, so that the batteries from different phones can be interchangeable. Edit: After taking into consideration many of the replies here's my reformulated proposal: 1. INCENTIVIZE standardization rather than forcing it, so that companies can either manufacture common products with standardized battery and receive a small tax-cut for it OR produce state-of-the-art high end devices with custom made batteries, but in that case pay higher taxes. 2. OBVIOUSLY with standardization I meant standardized per category (based on capacity/application) i.e. all 4000 mAh batteries would be interchangeable among each other BUT not with 4500 mAh batteries, as those would obviously be bigger in size and would instead be interchangeable among other 4500 mAh batteries. I thought it was clear enough but apparently it's not 😅🤦🏽♂️ Do let me know what you think about this and what else would you add, although I'm no policymaker, just an ordinary EU citizen (Italian)😅😂
Space is so tight in a phone that the battery has to be exactly the right size to fill the space to maximize life while minimising the size of the phone. Standardisation would be great but seems very unlikely.
The #1 problem I've experienced with Android phones in the last 5 years is that the charging port gets extremely loose after a year or so. Then it becomes nearly impossible to charge unless you have the charger shoved in and in some unique position, until the charger just falls out again. The charging ports need to be fixed. There should be an option to click it in and out so it doesn't just fall out.
It's worth mentioning that there will need to be improvements to friction wear on these screens. I don't see many people about it, but my screen is worn in places I swipe the most.
Hopefully if they don't go too crazy against third party batteries, I remember when you could actually get kits where you could get BIGGER batteries with an after market back. It was so cool to flex and say "oh my phone never dies because I just got the BRICK battery.
Waterproofing is trivial, I have had multiple flashlights that you could dive with, and they had replaceable batteries. A simple latch or twist mechanism and an adequate gasket is pretty much all you need.
@@ireallyreallyreallylikethisimg If you need a little extra torque, just add an indent you can fit the edge of a coin in to get better grip and there you go.
@@ajsrf Fair enough, a phone got a few more apps besides the flashlight app. But seriously now; all you need is keep the electrical contacts of the battery away from external moisture, doesn't matter where the contacts lead to, if they're dry they are dry.
Best phone I ever owned was the note 4. Removable battery and storage, touch screen pen, credit card ability, 32 megapixel camera, and IR beam so I could turn it into a universal remote or other custom stuff. Since then every phone on the market has been a downgrade. After I owned it for 7 years it broke when I dropped it and 7 years later I now use the Moto z play because it's modular.
I'd like to see little charging adapters for spare batteries! Like how you get for a camera battery, just plug it in to a little plastic device that connects to a USB port and charges it up while you use your other battery to keep running the thing you want to use. Charge and use at the same time without any tether. I get this "feature" with my actually cheap and old camera, I want it on my phone, too!
Yes. Just commented in response to another post that this would be a useful tool to have on hand. Kinda like the charger that came with my power-drill, which has a swappable battery.
@@wmentzer58 Exactly, and this needs to happen with phones. Drills have it, lawn mowers have it, laptops have it, cameras have it, even scooters have it to a degree, it shouldn't be different for phones and tablets.
@@srsjackson no, it could be commercially available tool(so basically something common you can go now and by in store), or tool specifically for this device. In the latter case you should ship tool with device. And tool can't be proprietary.
@@imstupidbut exactly, i do not understand these clowns who imply that iphones are not repairable. just buy a screwdriver for 60 cents and a new adhesive if you want it to stay waterproof
yeah same maybe this fixed-battery tyranny has brainwashed me and i cannot even fathom the powers i could gain by opening my battery case and my mind but i did use to have removable batteries, and what it meant was i would remove them for hard resets or at the end of their life, never really thinking of juggling batteries so i am constantly powered. it also feels sort of wasteful? unless they were really cheap, i would find it risky and less efficient to buy multiple batteries so they can all be weathered by use and time for a phone that may potentially break
@@aiocafeaman, I basicall used my S5 untill the battery was shot and holy hell do I miss being able to do a hard-reset when my phone now starts acting up.
Yeah, a powerbank is nice because you can charge it separately from the phone, use it to charge anything, it'll still work after buying a new phone or if you lend it to a friend etc. I really don't think hot swappable batteries are more than a gimmick, especially with modern phone battery capabilities. Repairability on the other hand, that I'm excited about!
My prediction: the casing has a proprietary gasket that wears out if you remove the back plate more than a few times, causing damaged phone from tiny amount of water leading to replacing either the gaskets or the entire phone.
1st, more devices can take a little bit of water already. If not, then you didnt seal any of the hardware inside correctly (at the manufacturing level). 2nd, there are ways to make this happen that doesnt expose the insides to the outsides. 3rd gaskets can be solid - right now its double sided tape/glue - just make it part of the repair process.
@@adr2t methinks you missed the point a bit... the point was, engineering it to fail; not describing my brilliant and uniquely wonderful solution to an obviously not impossible problem
Agree completely, except regarding multi-camera arrays! As a photographer, I find my S22 Ultra's 4 cameras to be extremely useful when I don't have my camera or all my lenses with me.
@@Soundwave857 Sure. But when somebody tells me that they are enjoying having a toolset for their PROFESSIONAL career (he's a photographer), I tend to trust them more than just "you'll be fine with a hammer and a screwdriver".
@@PaDamTuts Average Joes don't need a Torx screwdriver in their toolkit. Adding one is an unnecessary cost. Anyone who needs one can buy one. Anyone who doesn't need one should have options to buy a toolkit without it for a lower cost. It's the same with cameras. I don't care what a professional needs for their career - I shouldn't have to buy it if I'm not going to use it. Dedicated professionals carry DSLRs anyway. Multi-lens phone cameras only appeal to amateurs.
It could happen, as products often just adapt their phones for the EU law and then sell them world wide to make the management less complicated. All hail the EU!
Water-resistant devices have existed before all the manufacturers decided to stop batteries from being replaceable, so that won't change, unless it would be their push against the regulation.
I agree that having a lower battery capacity is a acceptable trade off if you can swap out your battery, but I can also see how many people will complain that it's too much effort. While the battery is small you still need to carry it around and some people propably won't care to try and figure out how to replace it.
Macro ones are awful. No one ever used them. If much rather the main camera get an upgrade than have some of the budget squandered on a macro camera that does nothing
@@truth.speakermacro is nice for certain things However i think it's better to make Main camera good and have a Macro camera option which is purely digital... as in it's gonna use the Main camera as a macro camera so focus is set to be really close like it is on Macro camera so you can take focused HD pics of really close up things
I've never bought a phone without a removable battery. I consider phones without removable battery as disposable junk. A 1200 dollar phone is 1100 more than they are worth. Phones are a scam. I have had my current phone going on 8 years now and plan on keeping it for another ten or more.
We all know that Apple is going to try to hardware lock their phones so you can only use batteries they sell for $599.99
At least the bill says they must be easily replaceable - without proprietary tools.
they tried to do this shit when the EU said that every phone has to use USB-C. They were working on proprietary software to only use fast charging with their charges even though it can be done with any cable. The EU said that wasn't allowed.
"Software shall not be used to impede the replacement of a portable battery or LMT battery, or of their key components, with another compatible battery or key components." From text adopted by Parliament
It’s 80$ lol
Don't buy it then, wow I never knew it was that easy
Cant wait to see how the manufacturers work around this. Probably gonna make it so putting a third-party battery in your phone murders it or something.
Pretty sure this is already illegal in EU not sure though
Is only illegal if you get caught, just like Volkswagen.
@@cazek445 They could make it more subtle. Like, limiting the maximum charge because the battery isn't "genuine". Even printers will reject third-party cartridges in today's age. Anything can be programmed to disappoint I'm afraid...
The charging cable regulation specifically prohibits throttling third-party cables and chargers, this one probably has a similar part too.
They'll probably do this but then never offer replacement batteries. "Yeah sure we'll make replaceable batteries but have fun with Xiaoing brand if it goes out."
EU made it's way from banning memes to literally uniting smartphone community by making everyone use type C outlet, and coming back to great tradition of swapping batteries
What a great character developement
Mad respect for EU FOR this because governments of our countries just being bribed by companies and they just shut of
Water proof phones are exempt from the removable battery requirement, so most flagship phones will not have removable batteries
@@samuelcalkin3516even though water proof smartphones can have removable batteries
i remember the article 13 thing but apparently it was a bit overblown by the public, that thing seems to not be directed at users or users' content but only some companies
That's a myth. And it's terrifying people believe that. It was literally a joke, that the market decided on the C port all by themselves and the EU came long after, the joke was that after 10 years EU will claim it was thanks to them, it wasn't lmao.
The biggest thing keeping me from keeping a phone for years and years is the fact updates usually stop coming way before the phone hardware is ready to retire
That will change too.
Nowadays update causes problems than fix them.. aka green line issue after updating.😢
Meh modern phones has peaked since years ago, android 10 to current one are so similar that I don't even know why Google keeps making major releases now instead of just doing rolling releases
Don't need to update anything.
Remember, switching to your secondary battery is always faster than recharging.
😂 cod reference nice one
True that.
Your battery swapping skills are remarkable!
I thought about shield swapping in apex but this reference is better
Yeah back to old days, we can open and change batteries, if phone hang just open the baterry and restart. 😂😂
This needs to happen! Such a backwards step when phones went to non-removable batteries.
It will extend the life of phones by so much. No throwing away after 2 years.
Except that you won't get security updates beyond the end of life of the device.
my lgv20 was awesome i had extra removable batteries and instead of charging i would have one charged fully from a dock and just swap it in and bang you got yourself a camping trip without needing the portable batteries
@@AJ12GamerYou can just install the new OS in that case though
@@AJ12Gamerthere is no such thing as security update😂, they're just adding more and more feature to bloat the device and makes it slower to use, and makes you think you need a new phone
I miss my Asus Zenfone 4 gen 1.
Don't forget how the removable battery and cover act as a crumple zone to relieve shock when you drop the phone. Removable battery phones rarely broke when dropping them. The energy was released by launching the cover and battery across the room. :-)
My tv remote control has this feat and it's incredible how the cover can hide behind the couch in an lapse of second. 😅
I have three old Samsung Galaxy phones with removable batteries which I've dropped more times than I can count, and nothing happened to them. So I agree.
Yes!! my first Galaxy Note was dropped from a balcony, about 8 meters on concrete. Inserted the battery, worked as always, screen perfect with no glass protector. 🖤
if somthing dosent shake it will break
I had an S2 back in the day (my only Android phone btw) and I totally remember that happening to me aswell. It was awesome
The main thing is that you would be able to just swap your battery after 2-3 years instead of needing to get a new phone
Personally, I think that in the near future, all tech needs to be as flexible, modular, user serviceable, and non-proprietary as possible. If there are worldwide enforceable regulations it'll mean that manufacturers will need to up their aesthetics/ergonomics game and be as creative as possible in order to make their products unique and appealing to consumers.
tech becomes obsolete quickly, realistically very few people will repair their phone or replace their battery, just buy a new phone
@@imstupidbut maybe a decade ago, but nowadays, I wouldn't be too sure. My GPU was low-end when I bought it 4 years ago, but I only had to replace it because AMD cut software support
@@imstupidbutit becomes obsolete so quickly because they're not user serviceable
Modern electronics design is all about short term consumption. They want you to keep buying and incompatibility is one of the most effect way to force it upon you.
@@imstupidbut The only reason I, personally, would buy a new phone is if it stops working. And usually, the first thing that makes it unusable is the battery.
Nothing but respect for the eu standing up to big corporations
Indeed
Lol
This isn't standing up. EU is controlled by financial services
@@JL-XrtaMayoNoCheese
Everything is controlled by money buddy.
@@youreokayboah2128
Finance, not money. Money is just a tool, like a drill or a weapon. It is the individual who operates the tool or the individuals who are operating the tool who must be examined.
These issues cannot be addressed by personifing the tool or a casual reduction fallacy.
I love EU's new consumer friendly regulations I wish they push it harder in the future
Since the beginning they always have been doing that, but yeah there have been recent acts which the end-user immediately notices. They attempt to act in the people's best interest at least. That's not so obvious for smaller parties as governments while they should do the same. I think the large bargaining power is what makes it possible. The US could do the same but they are too ideologically attached to the wild free market and being corrupt in general.
dont get fooled by things like that. they are toxic and anti-human or rather anti-individual
@@JacobsKrąnųgHow so? Could you give examples?
@@yohok5robably something on the lines of "mU FrEeDoM tO BeaaR Ar-15"
@@yohok5 Don't expect a rational answer from someone that claims the EU is "anti-human".
Don't forget that smartphone obsolescence mainly stems from the OS not getting updates anymore and therefore missing new features (&security risks)
those missing features & "security" updates are nearly meaningless. A working system should run for years. I still have a totally outdated Windows 10 (version 1809)
It's the old environments being torn apart by the updates themselves to their components that get progressively less and less compatible with each other as you update some and leave others behind. Most phones work well when you factory reset them and abstain from updating software wothout total necessity.
most games require newer versions anymore lol@@rgerber
updates are shit mate
The EU enforced updates for at least 5 years too!
I'm pretty sure that removable batteries have saved someone's life at least once in the past two decades.
From the law too.
@@Thevol40k based
Saved mine a lot of times due to old samsung phones destroying batteries after a few months
@@Thevol40kMy old heroin dealer used to make me take the battery out of my phone for the first month I started buying dope from him 😂
@@speedyd8150 No fed measures, innovative.
As an American, I'm actually very thankful for moves like this from the EU. They affect the world globally, and aid us in addressing many of these issues with privacy practices and electronic waste disposal in the US, too.
@@edelkebaphow so? EU privacy laws is pretty extensive. An easy example would be a citizens ability to block certain Google search results that relates to them. Which is why you see at the bottom a message telling you how many results have been hidden. Another would be cookie laws.
@@edelkebap The EU has some of the best laws around data protection and privacy.
The EU is a very big and very bad organization. They do a lot of surveillance and regulate the shit out of everything. It's not good and this one thing is nothing to be thankful for in this context
@@edelkebap says the guy who works in the CIA
Don’t ever thank the EU.
I liked it when phones had removable batteries. It gave me a sense of control when the phone would ever act weird. Having a force stop option with a dissuading pop-up every time isn't quite the same.
Exactly! My iPhone freezed once and all I could do is to wait until the battery drained, felt really weird.
Over 100 likes? Wow
@@borisso3465it's weird, there was always a way around to restart your phone. For example, holding power button.
@@borisso3465yeah when i got my second phone i was so confused what to do if the phone stopped working (happened to my first one a _lot_ ) But thankfully my second phone is still working fine to this day and just restarts itself when there's any trouble. ✓
@@borisso3465there is a hard switch off, i genuinely thought i had to do that too but if you hold the power button long, like really, really long, it does a hard shutoff no matter how frozen it is
They need to put a stop to being able to not upgrage sowtware also, example ild phones not able to upgrade to lates android version
One important privacy consideration: You can now actually, definitely disable your phone while still having it on you, even if you didn't go for one with hardware switches. If you don't want big brother to be watching, pop out the battery.
They pop in a capacitor or something for that, don't worry.
They have onboard batteries anyways.
@@fotoschopro1230 while this is true, those batteries have to run out of juice eventually. but the best way to stop big brother from watching is to not bring your phone.
@@walkingcontradiction223 A capacitor the size you can easily fit in a phone will only last it for a few seconds, possibly to dump the drive's cache.
But have a faraday cage just in case
Features removed a decade ago only coming back because manufacturers are forced to by regulation. Thank you EU. May they keep pushing in this directions including right to repair.
Right to repair
Sadly the eu word isn't law around the world. They're still the other 85% of the economy.
Gosh, and the BS reasons they gave for removing these features. The young Zoomers don't understand the glory days of bringing a spare battery on the long field trip bus ride to swap out the battery after yours ran out playing Subway Surfers.
I think apple astroturfed it out of the market. I remember a mocking point for android was "the battery will fall out" or similar. Funny enough it's incredibly useful to be able to remove them.
@@TheSpecialJ11 Amusingly they would mock you for having a phone that has a removable battery.
Never forget that the samsung galaxy s5 released in 2014 had a removable battery and was IP67 dust/water resistant.
They still make an XCover to mil spec with a removable battery.
Not to forget the 3.5mm jack and micro sd card slot! That was a nice phone.
The back of the case of my phone (s5) was flimsy and often come off. Once it come off and my mini SD card came out too and I never found it. Lost 2 years worth of my pictures including 2 children. So very sad. These days I have auto back up to google photos just incase.
And it has an IR blaster! I still have mine. Great phone. 👍
It had a flimsy charge port cover that would snap off in most units
Those power banks kind of existed back in the day. There were extended capacity packs that did alter the shape/size/weight of the phone but would run for several hours or even a day more. I can imagine power bank makers just retooling these into shaped packs to fit mobile phone models.
There are power banks which are made as a case in which you put your own battery cells yourself. These and the "power bank phone-cases" still exist now. The only issue that the battery cells themsevles are extremely hard to ship for a good price, possibly due to lobbied obstructive measures.
But why would you need that if you could just replace your battery whenever needed. What would be useful is a charger for the spare battery, so that the spare can be charged while the other battery is inside your phone.
Small power banks aren't going anywhere unless all smartphone batteries are standardized. If you have multiple battery powered devices, it's much more convenient to have one charging bank for everything rather than carry 5 different batteries for each device.
but the point of having removable batteries is to extend the phone's life since batteries are usually the first thing to die in an electronic.
THIS! Huge oversight on the part of the video author there.
Or the powerbank is also used for other devices like my old 3DS.
Dude. That end. 😂. What did you smoke?
charge for time or swap in no time, what is better
I hope we, the consumers, get a win. It'd be a shame if phones implement removable batteries just to have replacements blocked by DRM
I don't think we will get a win, the power imbalance between producers and us, the consumers, will always make us lose, so DRM or some other caveat it is
phone batteries already have DRM, chargers too
And OEM batts cost $700
@@concertmaster says the consumer, holding in his hands a device that 10 years ago would've been black magic.
@@MrTomyCJ at what cost
Lets not forget that Galaxy S5 was waterproof, but still had removable battery. Also Samsung still manufactures Xcover models with removable batteries and dirt/water proof.
Yes
Written on a xcover pro 6
So the only real reason for unremovable batteries is a lie... figures.
The S5 felt really cheap compared to other flagships like the Xperia Z3 or the iPhone 6. There was a reason they went for glass backs in the S6.
And the waterproofing is only as long as the cover is on, so if the cover pops out on impact the ip rating doesn't matter anymore.
@@LarsaXLNope government spying!🕵️♀️ 🕵️♂️ You can't remove the battery. At this point they can remotely power on your phone.
A good method that I found to keeping older phones in a case was to get a more rubber / silicone based one that had some flexibility and put some layers of printing paper in the back for extra padding. Lot less issues that way at least personally. A little DIY can go a long way.
You forgot one important thing: you can be sure your phone it's off when you remove the battery. Also by the battery not being connected to the pins it doesn't drain at all compared to the phone when it's off, for emergency situations
i didn't knew u can't remove batteries on some phones, lol. i would use those only if they were gifted,i would never pay for such things, lol. wonder how companies scammed ppl to pay for that
@@todaybuycheapsellhigh8072I mean....you could just recharge them with batteries charges or just charge your phone > swap batteries > charge again to always have a reserve batterie
thats what i did @@MelVridos
Nope. They can be fully active without a battery but appear inactive.
@@essef.That makes no sense, you cant power the motherboard without DC power, from the battery. With no battery, the board isnt powered so what are you referring to, a hidden battery?
I used to carry around a stack of 5 batteries in a little plastic case, very similar to those 3DS cartridge cases.
Driving through outback Australia without spare batteries was and still is tantamount to suicide.
Don't most roads in the outback have no reception though... unless you're talking about a satellite phone?
@@Curiefeld it's getting pretty good up the middle, there are still times you go for hours without reception
cant you use a solar panel or thermal generator?
@@coler154You can but would you rather be out there for 6 hours if your car breaks down waiting for the solar battery to charge
@@aussiegruber86theres sections on the bruce and peak downs highway that are deadzones for 60%+ of the journey. I swear they are getting worse
With regards to water resistance, the Samsung Galaxy S5 had a removable battery, whilst still having an IP67 water resistance rating. It's likely that there won't need to be a trade-off, unless manufacturers purposefully want to make their phones more brittle to regain their lost sales revenue.
Unlike IP68 phones, the S5 is water resistant, not waterproof. Try googling "The truth about the Galaxy S5 IP67 Water Resistant Certification"
@@chumanho IP68 phones are not waterproof either. Yes they can stay underwater for some time but certainly not forever. Waterproof means forever so they are still only water resistant.
@@dayko. I doubt any people need their phones to be able to be immersed in water forever, it's just that IP68 phones can be immersed in a greater depth for a longer period of time than IP67 phones.
Nobody should be scubadiving with their phone. Obviously your phone shouldn't get damaged by exposure to water droplets like when it rains. Maybe if people drop their phones in a lake by accident, it would be nice if they could retrieve them without damage in ~15min or smth. But tbh I would take removable battery over submerged water-resistance anyday. Never dropped my phone in a lake and never will.
@@Anton-rr9kw I live on an island and have to take a ferry every time I need to go to the city. Shipwrecks have happened before, and I definitely want my phone to function when I need it the most. Replaceable battery, to me OTOH, is not a life and death situation.
I like replaceable batteries but adding that mechanism will cost space which could be used for more hardware or a bigger battery. Also with all this different quick charge technologies I'm not sure if you could use any other battery to benefit from them. And if you need to buy a battery from the manufacturer to make use of it, it won't be cheap.
Another pro of having a removable back is that it makes the phone less prone to breaking when dropped. The back case popping off when your phone hits the ground disperses alot of energy and reduces the impact on your screen.
yup.... i fully believe that is the case
@@kainhallhaha idk if the joke was intentional or not but either way it made me smile :)
@@kainhall ;)
No bro, technology can change over time. Last thing I want is more red tape from the govt when it's not strictly necessary.
The battery thing was getting quite wasteful, but 9mm jack is not like a fundamental aspect of audio reproduction
But this is not what EU is going to mandate. They are just going to mandate that batteries are replaceable with off-the-shelf tools available to consumers. I can't believe you people are so gullible, misinformed and just wrong about everything.
Do you do no research?
For the very few that have never seen a waterproof watch before that has replaceable batteries, or any older phone that had water resistance. The way you can ensure water resistance is kept was adding a rubber ring around the edges of the back that kept the insides airtight after the back was snapped /screwed on back and it was wonderful.
I used to have a low range Motorola that had both a removable battery AND water resistance.
You can also quickly remove your battery and let it dry if it gets wet
I used to have a Samsung Galaxy Xcover 4 with a detachable back and battery, it just had a rubber ring on the back plate around the battery and it is still IP67 water resistant
@@dbro1205 I think even IP68, not that sure though, but the newer ones (XCover Pro (5th) and XCover Pro 6) both have IP68 and you can still open the back!
@@Stridsvagn69420 nice
Hope this really does happen, but it feels too good to be true. I feel like there will be some loophole to make it impractical to switch batteries while still making them technically "removable"
soldered batteries lmao. its "removable", technically.
The batteries will explode after four charges and will cost 20$ each. Why? For the heckin' environment 👉👈
EU tends to go pretty hard on corporations. Not because of any heroic virtue or anything, but because they see corporations as a legitimate threat to their power.
Corporate lobby just isn't as powerful in EU as it's in US. Consumer benefits are more of a collateral coincidence than EU being actually based. They are senile bureaucrats deadly afraid of corporations taking away their power, and sometimes regular people benefit from this feud.
@@MidWitPrideCorrect, it's a weird by-product of the government wanting total control.
They will probably switch to just doing artficial obsolesence by slowing down the phone over the 3 year lifespan
They better add better warranties on motherboards, modems, camera sensors. Also bring back headphone jack or additional type c port for Audio and Sd Card slot.
There were water resistant phones with removable batteries. Samsung made those sturdy series with button keypads. There were also commercial aimed phones that had removable batteries and water/dust proofing
No phone is really waterproof, because if your phone goes into the water, the phone company will never accept to take it as warranty case 😢
@@farounaga6931 It doesnt matter, practical aspect of it matters. So accidental drop into water briefly doesnt ruin it.
my old androids all survived accidentally leaving them out in the rain for hours without any IPS rating.
@@Kacpa2 it actually does, don't forget that your phone has holes in it, so if you do not bring your phone directly to someone who can open it to remove water from the inside, sone of your conponents has a chance do be oxydated after
This is true, but let's be honest, the water resistance sucked on the S5 which was the only Samsung phone that had a removable battery and water resistance. It is undeniable that the water resistance is better with glued phones.
I actually had an old phone that became unusable due to the screen display dying, and I got the same model afterwards. The old one became a glorified charging dock for batteries, and that was perfectly fine by me! 😅
That's pretty cool actually
another reason why removable batteries makes it so there is less ewaste
@@meikamandoliiniyes just make another hugeass powerbank for your demand instead to reuse whatever you had before without introducing more batteries
@@meikamandoliini since you didn't bother thinking about your response to my comment, I'll do the same ;)
@@meikamandoliini you said "to reduce waste you need to buy a powerbank". But e-waste comes from overconsumption and lack of reusability. So basically buying a new powerbank is anything but reducing e-waste. In that regard replaceable batteries are better solution than having powerbanks.
I'm not european and I def don't live anywhere even close to europe, but still I'm so proud of the EU's latest decisions...first, they make it legally difficult for big data vultures like Meta/Facebook to breach your privacy, now they make the tech market healthier for the consumer. Congrats from Brazil, EU!!
no hate but us europeans are scared of brasil
Yeahr .. but now meta has blocked their threads (twitter like) app in europe because of privacy laws. Lots of sites of american newspapers cant be reached from europe because of european laws. What if phone makers say we are not going to export anymore to europe. Like apple needs to add a usb port and removeable battery. And each time i come on a new website i need to click some cookie popups away because of european laws. Also if they cant target ads on people anymore on youtube they might have to show 3 times the number of ads to make the same amount of money to be able to pay for harddisks and servers to store video. Often the people who make these laws seem to be clueless about the subject like with the cookie law, they should have asked do you want to be tracked instead of do you want cookies, as cookies are usefull for things like preferred language or currency. And with the usb port on phones .. they call it a charge port. But on iphone it is really a docking port, as with it you can also connect the phone to a dock with speakers or video and other things. Maybe they should have said a phone needs a usb port OR a wireless charging option .. the coils all phones have in the back now. Which might also make it easier to charge in public places.
@@apsdev What? Manufacturers wont leave the EU because of laws like this or most others. They would lose a substantial chunk of the market if they did. What are you going on about?
@@apsdev I don't know what you're saying, but the EU is the largest importer of apple products and Samsung phones. The goal is not completely focused on the convenience of the consumer or the companies to stop selling their products in Europe but to stop the monopoly, they ensure that the market no longer differs and evolves. The EU wants to stimulate competition and that is only possible if other companies can participate, which will lead to more innovation.
@@cesruhf2605unless youre portuguese
The Samsung Galaxy S5 was waterproof while having a removable battery.
It was possible 10 years ago, but it's supposedly not now?
Yeah you are right. I think it should be possible...
Waterproof is technically not possible
It would be water resistant
@@Gaming_Stuff this is simply not true, you are only repeating the lies of greedy smartphone makers.
The Samsung S5 is water resistant, "With IP67 certification, Samsung claims the Galaxy S5 can withstand being submerged in up to one metre of water for up to 30 minutes."
From what I heard, this also affect handheld consoles like the SteamDeck. A neat reminder that laws really can be made to help the people.
Valve likes to be consumer friendly until they have to be friendly to the consumer
@@eclipsek0 holy shit so true
Its sad that laws rarely help people these days. It is nice to see.
@@eclipsek0
I'm not exactly sure what you're implying with this comment. As far as I've seen, Valve has been very pro-consumer and pro-right-to-repair with their Steam Deck. You can buy replacement parts for it off the shelf, the board inside has an NVME slot for people who want to upgrade it with more storage space, and they even uploaded a video showing how to take it apart to swap parts.
@@eclipsek0 for the steamdeck its not that bad, because the parts arent glued in with gorilla glue, and it supports power delivery so its fine
Still rocking a Galaxy J7 prime with a removable battery,expandable storage and a 3.5mm jack. 2016 was crazy.
Im still using this as well. What reason is there to change unless i wanted to game on the phone (i dont)?
Didnt even know android doesnt have swappable batteries anymore. If not 3.5mm does that mean you must use wireless buds in modern phones?
@@greenfroggood2392 Either that or you buy a doggle for it which means you can't charge the device at the same time.
Exactly, i still have my iphone X, and don't really plan to change or buy new phone, i don't even play on my phone, it's all PC or Nothing at all
me too! Android 8.1 Oreo is very stable, I think this phone might last 2 years. Or more, but battery seems a struggle. I'll replace it, maybe.
My first smartphone was a Samsung Galaxy Mini back in 2013, during my last year of high school. The screen broke after a couple of months, so my dad bought me another Samsung Galaxy Mini. Now I had two batteries. One charge didn't last a day, so I started swapping batteries. I used the broken phone to charge the spare battery, so I didn't even need to charge the good phone. I felt like a tech genius. Last week I was with one of my former school mates and he talked about how I used to swap batteries. They still remember.
I used a Positivo cellphone (cheap Brazilian phone maker) it was my first phone that me and my brother got, the charger port in mine broke because it fell on a toothpick (don't ask me how, I got no idea) and we had to use my old grandma's Android KitKat phone to switch batteries (keep in mind that this was 2016, my family went from Android KitKat to Android 7 very slowly)
I got a dedicated external battery charger and 2 extra batteries for my galaxy s3 back in the day. If you were very quick you could swap the batteries out without the phone turning off.
Very rarely did I have to plug the actual phone in
Will manufactures try to get ahead of the game and bring out removable battery phones in near future or hold out until the very last moment? Re upgrading for reasons other than battery, unfortunately they bring out apps which won't run on older android versions.
As an XCover user, I can confirm that having a removable battery while still passing military standards and IP68 works perfectly fine!
As someone who had an Xcover, that phone was based on the hardware department
IP68? that's pretty sweet, never heard of the Xcover - do they ship in Europe? And their origin?
@@sandwich5344 Samsung Galaxy XCover, and they're available here! (I'm German)
XCover Owner here :P
yeah, walmart uses an XCover pro as their employee work phone, i was surprised when i saw it had a removable back
EU: "YOU WILL HAVE REMOVABLE BATTERIES, YOU WILL HAVE USB-C AS A STANDARD, YOU WILL LET PEOPLE FIX YOUR PHONE."
Yea! Big government is awesome! Let’s give central powers more power!
@@FoxWolfWorldnah
And you vill be happy
@@lv1543 no
@@FoxWolfWorldThese poor mega companies can’t screw over their customers oh no what will we do now
I think this may actually help the battery bank market. They'll probably begin making replacement rear cases with extended battery life. Of course, Apple and Samsung will probably just move the battery to behind the screen.
Or power banks for the replacement batteries. So whenever you change the batteries, you put the older one in a power bank slot that charges it.
The battery is already behind the screen in Apple devices. Through the display is the only entrance.
behind the screen??
....are the batteries not already behind the screen?
Yes the batteries are already behind the screen, but they aren't removable. On devices with removable batteries, typically the back cover comes off to expose the battery. Why? It's the least cost and lowest risk to have an untrained consumer replace a battery. If they break the back cover they can use tape to hold it in. However, if a consumer replaceable battery is located in a way where the consumer must remove remove the screen to replace a battery, this would be a dream for big tech because now they'll sell tons of screens from people breaking them all the time.
This will have the knock on effect of making it easier to get safely into the guts of the phone; and if people get use to that they start pushing for other parts to be more replaceable.
Good.
My previous phone was a Samsung Galaxy J3 Prime. Having a replaceable battery was one of the main reasons I bought it. When my phone started having performance issues due to the battery dying, it was $25 for a new battery, and everything worked as intended. It was awesome!
Fr man
Why did you buy a new one then?
@@infinitieunique The hardware was extremely outdated. I couldn't update most of my apps as they were no longer supported on Android 7. Upgrading Android to a newer version wasn't possible due to the hardware limitations. Plus, I started to run into storage issues as that phone only had 10 GB internal storage. It was finally time for a new phone, albeit without an easily replaceable battery or headphone jack :(
@@tenhundredkills what do you mean by "not supported"? You can still use an old version like you used to when it was 2010 outside
@@infinitieunique "No longer supported" as in apps were no longer going to be receiving security and/or perfomance updates. Some apps flat-out broke (like MS Teams). Some of the apps I needed for work, so I didn't have much of a choice but to upgrade to a newer phone.
as a american i think i am going to start lobying the eu to make more regulations, so that in the us there will be more pro user features
Your voice doesn't matter to the EU as an "American". You should spend your time lobbying your own government for change, like every "American" should.
@@bigsmoke4568 Americans in the 50s used to make things like transformers, fridges were you can replace everything, cars, radios, etc. All changed in the 60s when the elite took control of that country killing the president
It's a shame the EU is probably giving the U.S. more freedom than the U.S. right now.
As a latin american I will have to suck it up and see how phones become even less affordable. Thanks regulators of the first world!
@@bigsmoke4568 if you want change you should support the companies who go in the direction you want, not go to the government so that they, at the expense of people who might disagree, force everyone to agree with you. That is the easy and immoral way to solve problems, and that mentality will fire back sooner or later.
Headphone jack needs to be next, it's actually ridiculous that you have to pay more for features that were free on older phones. Apple's greed knows no bounds.
the way we produce things is based on greed, sadly
Or 2x USB-C ports instead? Could make for interesting new feature range such as dual batteries.
@@connoisseurofcookies2047 Lenovo gaming phone enters the chat
Removable headphone jacks?
Well it's not really needed anymore considering how cheap the wireless headphones have become
Embedded batteries are for Government to track you.
If they become removable again , they will have a third battery.
"You will include the headphone jack. You will include the expandable storage. You will not lock down the bootloader to prevent the customization. And, you will not keep on adding these silly cameras to the smartphone. You will be allowed to have only 2 cameras. One on the front and one on the back."
Strongly agreed.
EXACTLY.
the EU needs to keep their grubby hands out of our pockets. this literally feels like something out of a dystopian movie.
what’s next? phones aren’t allowed to have built in web browsers? magsafe isn’t allowed to exist?
Agree but not on the camera. Having a real zoom camera with seperate lens is really good. digital zoom is not usable at all.
@@imstupidbutthis is literally just "right to repair" and "right to ownership" as for far too long and far too frequently companies have taken the "yours to use, ours to own" BS to the quite extreme (depending on the company)
If it settles you, as a european that has grown up in the EU, I highly doubt they'll prohibit built in web browsers and do away with "magsafe" (whatever that is) on the basis that it's just too much hassle to go through with, compared to hardware design and "the right to fully own"
I would rather have like 4 cameras on the back and 0 on the front, honestly. It's nice imo to have a versatile camera in your pocket that has a standard, wide lens, and zoom lens, at least. Selfie cameras are useless to me.
I loved the Xiaomi Mi 2 phone. Came with a 3000 mAh battery but had a replacement shell that allowed putting in a 5500 mAh one. Used the small one for every day use and the big one for traveling.
Both versions even came with a fitting protective silicone bumber.
You know the CCP be looking at your PP on that ho, bro.
disply 1080p max in 2013 to 1440p nax in 2014, 2160p max in 2016 still 2160p max only in sony Xperia phone
You know that xiaomi is from China right? They love to have your data
@@bigblockman11Xiaomi is a name that screams Chinese.
@@bigblockman11imagine being silly enough to think that China having your data is somehow different and more nefarious than Korea or Cupertino, California having your data. I mean, all that info is for sale. If China wanted it, they’d simply pay Google and Apple and Samsung for it.
What a dork
Maybe in another five years I'll be able to get a phone with a headphone jack!
I'm still pissed off about the headphone jack.
You can keep your Bluetooth, I want hard wires!
If you are not going for top of the line, something like the Galaxy A52 has 3.5 jack, NFC, FM radio, OTG, plenty RAM and storage in different models. Is posible to root it (except in the U.S.), water resistant, and there are 5G models... So, there are still some models out there with all that. I hope that we still have options in the future...
@@GYTCommnts it's a sad reality because flagships DID have 3.5mm jacks. It's not impossible, they just don't want. I can't get over that.
Not a chance they wanna keep charging us for wireless headphones for 5x the price of cheapo wired ones lol
@@GYTCommnts Why is it not possible to root them in the US?
Actually I strongly support this!
The only downside: I am a great fan of outdoor/waterproof phones. However, if the phone lid can be completely taken of, that makes it harder to build a phone that's water proof.
On the other hand: Since outdoor phone like the Ulefone Armor X10 are physically indistructable, a changable battery is the only thing missing to extend the phone's lifespan to... very long. 10 years?
There is a spray that inexpensively can make a phone waterproof - helping the phone become more waterproof was just a strawman argument that didn't hold water (no pun intended).
The Galaxy S5 managed to be waterproof AND have a replaceable battery
It is possibleto have waterproof phones with removable batteries
No worries, the EU regulation has a lot of exceptions built in, so you probably won't see many phones with removable battery behind a simple cover anyway. It's just all those news outlet parroting each other without actually checking.
Wash fully waterproof and disproof @@milkyway5573
It won't be much harder. The lid would have to be designed properly, clamp on firmly and have a simple rubber seal. That's literally it. Just look at any food container with an airtight lid, not complicated at all.
I believe the primary motivator was ensuring the phone could not truly be turned off, and allow unnamed agencies to power it on remotely at will.
That is a great reason by itself!
well said!!!!
This can still happen. There’s nothing in the legislation about having a secondary low level power source for such a thing. As long as the phones main battery bank is removable. Those “always on” chips in phones are extremely low power so imagine like a tiny 250mah embedded battery JUST for powering those super low power devices. I’m highly expecting there to be strings attached to this change, so to speak.
@@acmhfmggrunot from thin air, Snowden talks about it here
th-cam.com/video/VFns39RXPrU/w-d-xo.html
8:30
@@acmhfmggru Not a theory in a world where we know governments spy on us and have multiple ways to do so. You're in denial.
I'm so furious that this feature went away. On my last phone, I had four batteries, and a charger that would charge them without them being in the phone. It was such a good feeling knowing I actually had enough juice to get me through the whole day, plus enough to last me while the empty ones were charging.
Hi. Me too, but I went thru more batteries than 4. LG had charger cradles. Need that to cone back too.
You should take a look at the Samsung xcover 6 pro, fully waterproof with a swappable battery. It takes about 60 seconds to swap to a new battery that you had recharging on a rack, AND it has a microSD card slot AND a headphone jack.
@@heroninja1125 It's disturbing that I'm excited to hear about features that would have been bog standard ten years ago, but I really am. I'm gonna check it out!
they can keep it water resistant by making a battery that can be replaced like a SIM card with the SIM tray. You know, that thing you have to poke with the specific tool they give you to unlock the tray. I think that'd be pretty cool and functional
i too like this idea
Was thinking about this as well. Hell, do it with all the components connecting to a central motherboard in sandwich arrangement and you got yourself a completely modular phone
honestly best idea i've heard so far
good idea
@@pvshka fairphone
This was there own falt
A passed down phone(fully cracked) was about to explode when i found it(only batterys do that)
I still have a phone in perfect condition AND i can change the battery on it
Cant wait for the phone reloading animation joke
And the ammo holder would be battery chargers, and portable chargers connect to them
I remember back in the mid 2010's when my Samsung Galaxy S3 had a removable battery. Whenever I ran out of battery, I could swap it out with another one or even a bigger one with a larger back panel. It made the phone thicker but it was worth it.
I think that those regulations don't forbid, for example, battery cases that are fixed in place by Phillips screws, or battery cases that require to put a paperclip in the hole to open them much like SIM and SD card slots on most phones. This makes it relatively easy to design water-resistant devices as well as eliminates the risk that battery case will open by itself if the phone will hit the ground
Honestly the worst thing to be killed off is expandable storage. I can deal with changing my battery every year or two.
Agreed. My Galaxy Note 20 is my last Samsung phone because of that.
Some new tablets have expandable storage still at least.
Get a Pixel
@@justayoutuber1906 They don't have it, Motorola still offers expandable storage
I won't buy a phone without it.. That and an aux jack. Expandable storage is an absolute must, at least for me.
Smartphone features that need to make a comeback 1)Replaceable battery. 2) SD card slot 3) aux port.
I think there can be a major difference between replaceable batteries and the removable batteries we had in the past. There can still be screws (nonproprietary ones) holding a backplate and ensuring a seal, while remaining user replaceable
Don't think that a ip68 rating will stay after replacing the battery. It's not a simple seal.
@@sinnwalker GASKETS EXIST :o
@@madbruv Again, it's not that simple. Otherwise we'd have the option, even in most modern budget phones now it's all sealed up. Being THIN with GREAT protection against debris and having a replaceable battery system isn't that simple.
It is that simple, it always has been and lots of devices including modern smart phones have had that feature the same you can have any electrical connector be intrusion safe against liquids. The difference is 0.5€ and 1.50€ per phone in manufacturing costs.
@@sinnwalkerAre you dumb? Are you suggesting cheap phones don't have replaceable batteries because if it was useful, it would exist there?
Are you forgetting the Galaxy S5 had a removable battery, removable back cover AND 3.5mm jack WHILE HAVING IP68.
Not to mention, even today, NOT A SINGLE COMPANY THAT SELLS WATERPROOF PHONES HONORS THE WARRANTY OF WATER DAMAGED PHONES.
What the fk are you even on about?
I remember when phones had removable batteries, I swapped the battery at least 3 times and extended its life for years. I only gave it up when updates had stopped and the OS was too old.
I had a friend who did the exact thing you described in the video, he had a case that could fit 4 batteries in it. He used a spare phone to charge them at home then throw them in the case for long trips. He'd have at least 4 days worth of battery life from that case.
This is inexcusable! I have a tablet where the battery began to swell, forcing me to get rid of it. Unfortunately, it was taped and there were apparently wires or something that got ripped out, so basically I have to throw away the whole tablet now.
I know someone that took out the battery and had a special charger to charge it separately without another phone. It was kinds funny how it worked so well. He had 200% battery at all times
@@alter112external charger , separately to charge a backup removable battery. Good old day
Back in the day, you can get an external battery charger too.
@@alter112 If you have 5 batteries, it will be 500% 😁😁
I used to work 12-hour shifts as a security guard, if I wasn't able to change the battery on my phone I literally could not call people to let them know I needed to get picked up
You are resourceful are you not..? Power banks exist for a reason you know.
@@RomvnlyPlays You shouldn't need to rely on solutions that were created and sold from manufactured problems.
Stop willingly allowing corporations and governments take your rights away, man 🤦
@@ConsensusX A manufactured problem is still a problem that needs to be dealt with, it is no excuse. While trying to keep your rights, you need to stay safe. That is the bottom line.
EDIT: To be 100% clear, I don't see the OP's comment being a valid example of replaceable batteries, the issue being they weren't prepared.
@@RomvnlyPlays OP was perfectly prepared every time they brought a second fully charged battery with them at the start of a shift.
@@RomvnlyPlays The virgin power banker vs The Chad one phone 10 batteries
I feel like there is one major innovation other than cameras. Storage. A decade ago storage was terrible. Yet now you can easily get 1 terabyte of storage on a smartphone.
As a German I have to say, that accent was priceless. I'm not sure whether the batteries are going to be that hot-swappable. There is a chance that they might include a water-seal that breaks on removal. So that you can swap them yourself, but only for a one-time replacement per battery. Let's see what they come up with to separate RAW from RAI this time.
I think that wouldn't work. Like, that's basically needing to break your phone in order to open it, or needing someone specialized to open then close it for you.
Maybe the companies could use that for a year or so, but I don't see judges letting that go, at least not in Europe.
"a portable battery or LMT battery shall be considered readily replaceable where, after its removal from an appliance or light means of transport, it can be substituted by another compatible battery without affecting the functioning, the performance or the safety of that appliance or light means of transport." From adopted text
@@spl420 I read this as "you can take the battery out easily and replace it with an equivalent battery." Doesn't specifically say, that you can put the same battery back in. It just says that the appliance is unaffected, not the battery. But I might be off. Portable should mean portable.
@@Cha0sNicr0 well, could work in short run, in long run will only increase usage of cheap Chinese batteries as replacement.
@@Alexander-jr8nw swap while on the charger of a powerbank. i had phones that worked with no battery only with a charger plugged in
I miss the tactical battery reloads. Looking forward to it coming back
Not exactly, for what I read in the proposal, the main difference will be that the batteries may not be glued in place, require custom tools for replacement, or be paired with the rest of the phone in software. So not a thing about quick swapping, but still - small victory.
watch them start filling the entire battery compartment with resin for the non-EU markets
@@CubicApocalypse128 It's much easier than that if they dare to be so obvious about it: Software pairing for US model batteries, but not for the EU models.
@@entcraft44 they should ban software pairing, those iPhone self repair experience look like a torture
@@donnguyen3795 The EU has done that. "Software shall not be used to impede the replacement", if I remember the quote from the regulations correctly.
I've been rocking a samsung j3 for well over 5 years now and its so good to get a new battery by like 20€ and change it myself, at this point i've bought like 3 or 4 new batteries but for a 100-something€ phone its still kicking
Imagine if the EU made the headphone jack mandatory on phones
That would be my dream
Try wireless and u will never go back , but be careful not to lost them around your house 😉
@@Belojadransky13
I have tried wireless earbuds before and I liked them.
But I hated having to charge them constantly, the connection issues i'd have from time to time, not to mention the constant anxiety about their batteries dying on the best part of the song.
I went back to wired buds after almost two years and never looked back, I can tolerate untangling the rats nest if it means one less thing with batteries to charge.
@@TheAutisticOwl With around 5-10 hours of battery life, you should not worry about the battery
@@TheAutisticOwlget some quality ones. Cheap wish buds wont make you happy.
Good one have no connectivity issues and battery lasts about 5h.
I just take mine out and they instantly connect to my phone and or tablet
wired earbuds can provide way better sound for just the fraction of the cost of wireless buds
especially if you invest in a decent pair of $20 IEMs
The crazy part is this has been considered for over a decade at this point ever since they stopped being removable. Took forever.
Lot of lobbying, I suppose.
It is not that easy to convince everyone to go against big corporations
@@whitezombie10 They make offers one... uhm... can't reject...
And they only returned it because their sanctions backfired on them, the timing is almost a coincidence
This is about data security GPS security and knowing your phone is truly off when you turn it off
What I‘ve seen mentioned around a couple places that I really like is the suggestion of the battery being replaced similar to the SIM card. little tray or something in the side that pops open and allows you to get the battery out through said hole and replace it.
that tray would have to be massive or there would have to be multiple ones since batteries are much bigger than sim cards...
HTC desire hd style
@@kora8063what if multiple smaller batteries? Like little french fries
@@kajmak64bit76 I think that might work, newer phones already have a battery divided into parts, but I don't know it if wouldn't be too complicated and hard to achieve
@@kora8063 lg g5 was like that
I bet today's technology would easily allow manufacturers to achieve this while still maintaining the water resistant and slim designs
Old era phones would fall on water and keep working without issues, these motherfuckers are just lazy
It's already been done lmao Kyocera had a whole line of waterproof phones not super long ago. All with removable batteries.
Galaxy S5 did.
@@doctahjonezI believe they still do with their flip phones. What you're referring to is the hydro line.
But not for cheaper, otherwise it would already be a thing. And that price has to be paid for every consumer, including those who were not necessarily interested.
This is great, It solves a very annoying issue with batteries warping which can destroy the entire phone. This means you can just swap out the battery when its damaged and not risk your phone blowing up in your face.
I'm happy that EU is putting a stop to these ridiculous corporate practices that get consumers to purchase more
but i think The EU did a lot more good than bad and united Europe like never before but of course there is a lot of stuff thats far for perfect and needs improvement. But thats how politics work unfortunatly but if i look accross the world we have it far better than most of the world and the EU cares at least about its people to a certain extent and thats not the norm in most of the world sadly
I might be wrong but when I read the news it said that the battery should be easily user replaceable, so not necessarily pretty much swappable in a matter of seconds, but without the use of any special tools, knowledge and glue. So I believe plain old screws are going to make a comeback. I'm sure we'll still have glass-backed phones, with wireless charging and proper water resistance. It's not impossible to mount the glass to a carrier frame that can be screwed to the main chassis without any visible screws. The engineers just need to be smart about it.
You are right, most people are misinterpreting this new regulation. They will have to be easily replaceable without proprietary tools (unless shipped with the phone) and heat.
This is about extending phone longevity so most phones will probably still not feature easily swappable batteries.
Keep in mind, having removable batteries does not mean you will be able to swap them on the go. For what i understand the legislation is focused on ease of repair and recycling; the manufacturers most likely will keep using permanent glue and the sorts for that sweet sweet ipx rating and propietary repair services.
Heck if supercapacitors existed.
The good news is that the EU regulation forbade proprietary repair tools and it must be removable with commonly available tools at least.
@@oliverborromeo8460 as long as they don’t consider a heat gun to be a “commonly available tool”
@@burn_out It must not include heat or solvents. However, it doesn't state "commonly", it states "commercially available", "not proprietary" and "not specialized" (unless it comes with the device for free).
That means everyone can buy the stuff, but if the manufacturers really want, they could use tools that nobody has instead of basic tools like screwdrivers.
@@entcraft44 “not proprietary” means they can’t just use tools no one has.
One point you did not mention is that when embedded batteries degrade, they tend to swell and exert force on the internal components. I remember my old phone's screen warping and popping out slowly with the battery expansion. It is a common issue with phones and tablets.
I support this regulation by EU. Great video man! Subscribed! ❤
So you knew it was wrecking your phone but did nothing about it?
@@sammyd7857 This occurred during the COVID-19 lockdown. I was in quarantine and electronics shops were closed. At that time, Chinese imports were banned in my region. Due to this, costs of all components had more than doubled. Chaos was spreading like wild fire!
My business was suffering loss and I had to shut it down. I had no source of income.
People had lost jobs and it seemed bad to ask them about a trivial phone battery. Technicians were not able to find a compatible spare battery. I was all alone and there was nobody to help me.
The woman who once loved me decided to abandon me. I had outlived my utility and she saw me as disposable now. I was helpless; I was sitting in front of the phone all the time bearing the false hopes that she would change her mind and call me back. I had no option but to keep staring at the phone and watch its battery swell day after day. I had sunk into depression; there were bigger worries in my life and the battery was the least of my worries.
@@nikhil-kulkarnidamn that is sad
@@Engiduck That is how life is. Man blinks his eyes and the scenario changes. Man has to keep himself prepared for the worst.
If they could perfect super-caps with more energy density which charges up fully in a few minutes and never degrades due to no chemical reaction (uses static charge), that would be the holy grail of cellphone batteries. they could just seal it in forever and it would outlast the lifetime of the phone. ;)
This is awesome. No more cautiously using my phone in fear of wrecking the battery long-term.
In 2009 I used to take an extra battery to school with me so I could switch it out on the way home! Felt so cool doing the battery reload
The og quick charger.
me too, i had 3 batteries for when i went away from home
As the EU mandates this very useful policy I hope they also establish a framework for standardization of all batteries, so that the batteries from different phones can be interchangeable.
Edit: After taking into consideration many of the replies here's my reformulated proposal:
1. INCENTIVIZE standardization rather than forcing it, so that companies can either manufacture common products with standardized battery and receive a small tax-cut for it OR produce state-of-the-art high end devices with custom made batteries, but in that case pay higher taxes.
2. OBVIOUSLY with standardization I meant standardized per category (based on capacity/application) i.e. all 4000 mAh batteries would be interchangeable among each other BUT not with 4500 mAh batteries, as those would obviously be bigger in size and would instead be interchangeable among other 4500 mAh batteries. I thought it was clear enough but apparently it's not 😅🤦🏽♂️
Do let me know what you think about this and what else would you add, although I'm no policymaker, just an ordinary EU citizen (Italian)😅😂
Yes that is absolutely too much
Space is so tight in a phone that the battery has to be exactly the right size to fill the space to maximize life while minimising the size of the phone. Standardisation would be great but seems very unlikely.
Dream on 🙄
Its wild. If you bought a car and they said the batrery wasnt changable you probably wouldnt buy it
Bad idea.
The #1 problem I've experienced with Android phones in the last 5 years is that the charging port gets extremely loose after a year or so. Then it becomes nearly impossible to charge unless you have the charger shoved in and in some unique position, until the charger just falls out again. The charging ports need to be fixed. There should be an option to click it in and out so it doesn't just fall out.
Same though lesser with Apple
Type C largely fixes this problem compared to Type B-micro
I usually find cleaning the lint and grime out fixes that problem. I have a samsung s8 from 2017 and it needs a clean every 6 months
@@essef. Exactly, it feels like the port is geting loose, but it's actually just a dust build up.
This is primarily caused by debris buildup in the charging port. I've found that phone cases with charging port covers tend to mitigate this.
It's worth mentioning that there will need to be improvements to friction wear on these screens. I don't see many people about it, but my screen is worn in places I swipe the most.
Hopefully if they don't go too crazy against third party batteries, I remember when you could actually get kits where you could get BIGGER batteries with an after market back. It was so cool to flex and say "oh my phone never dies because I just got the BRICK battery.
Had that on my Galaxy S3 lol, looked goofy as fuck but no one was laughing when others were running out of battery and I was trucking around above 50%
Zerolemon ftw
@@yoyoninjaboy6431 omg I forgot about them. The name alone brings nostalgia.
Waterproofing is trivial, I have had multiple flashlights that you could dive with, and they had replaceable batteries. A simple latch or twist mechanism and an adequate gasket is pretty much all you need.
Let me twist my phone RQ
You’re not comparing a phone to a flashlight right.
@@ireallyreallyreallylikethisimg If you need a little extra torque, just add an indent you can fit the edge of a coin in to get better grip and there you go.
@@ajsrf You never heard of gaskets, right?
@@ajsrf Fair enough, a phone got a few more apps besides the flashlight app.
But seriously now; all you need is keep the electrical contacts of the battery away from external moisture, doesn't matter where the contacts lead to, if they're dry they are dry.
I remember my Galaxy note 3 with removable battery and the after market wireless charging coil. That thing was a beast
Best phone I ever owned was the note 4. Removable battery and storage, touch screen pen, credit card ability, 32 megapixel camera, and IR beam so I could turn it into a universal remote or other custom stuff. Since then every phone on the market has been a downgrade. After I owned it for 7 years it broke when I dropped it and 7 years later I now use the Moto z play because it's modular.
I'd like to see little charging adapters for spare batteries! Like how you get for a camera battery, just plug it in to a little plastic device that connects to a USB port and charges it up while you use your other battery to keep running the thing you want to use. Charge and use at the same time without any tether. I get this "feature" with my actually cheap and old camera, I want it on my phone, too!
Yes. Just commented in response to another post that this would be a useful tool to have on hand. Kinda like the charger that came with my power-drill, which has a swappable battery.
Like you'd have for a camera battery. I have that on my Sony camera. YES...
@@wmentzer58 Exactly, and this needs to happen with phones. Drills have it, lawn mowers have it, laptops have it, cameras have it, even scooters have it to a degree, it shouldn't be different for phones and tablets.
It's not supposed to be removable but rather user replaceable with commonly available sruedrivers or custom tools shipped with the device
I think the EU law specifically states it must be possible without any tools.
@@srsjackson no, it could be commercially available tool(so basically something common you can go now and by in store), or tool specifically for this device. In the latter case you should ship tool with device. And tool can't be proprietary.
@@srsjacksonI think it would be nice to have more water resistance and use a SIM ejector for ejecting both the SIM card and the battery
so the way iphones are now?
@@imstupidbut exactly, i do not understand these clowns who imply that iphones are not repairable. just buy a screwdriver for 60 cents and a new adhesive if you want it to stay waterproof
Is is just me, or do you hear a warm glow and happiness in Kenny's voice any time some bad news for Apple drops.
Hating on apple let’s the other companies off to easy
It's just you
The use cases described in this video are pretty out there. I'd just want to replace my battery when it can't hold a charge anymore
yeah same
maybe this fixed-battery tyranny has brainwashed me and i cannot even fathom the powers i could gain by opening my battery case and my mind
but i did use to have removable batteries, and what it meant was i would remove them for hard resets or at the end of their life, never really thinking of juggling batteries so i am constantly powered. it also feels sort of wasteful? unless they were really cheap, i would find it risky and less efficient to buy multiple batteries so they can all be weathered by use and time for a phone that may potentially break
@@aiocafeaman, I basicall used my S5 untill the battery was shot and holy hell do I miss being able to do a hard-reset when my phone now starts acting up.
Yeah, a powerbank is nice because you can charge it separately from the phone, use it to charge anything, it'll still work after buying a new phone or if you lend it to a friend etc. I really don't think hot swappable batteries are more than a gimmick, especially with modern phone battery capabilities.
Repairability on the other hand, that I'm excited about!
This would be easy to do. Stop gluing everything down. A screw on back with a rubber gasket . Screw in battery. I don't mind if it's a bit thicker.
LG once had a smartphone with a slide-out battery. I believe it was the G5. I think that's a better way than a wobbly plastic backcover.
I would just buy more battery
My prediction: the casing has a proprietary gasket that wears out if you remove the back plate more than a few times, causing damaged phone from tiny amount of water leading to replacing either the gaskets or the entire phone.
1st, more devices can take a little bit of water already. If not, then you didnt seal any of the hardware inside correctly (at the manufacturing level). 2nd, there are ways to make this happen that doesnt expose the insides to the outsides. 3rd gaskets can be solid - right now its double sided tape/glue - just make it part of the repair process.
@@adr2t methinks you missed the point a bit... the point was, engineering it to fail; not describing my brilliant and uniquely wonderful solution to an obviously not impossible problem
Agree completely, except regarding multi-camera arrays! As a photographer, I find my S22 Ultra's 4 cameras to be extremely useful when I don't have my camera or all my lenses with me.
2 back cameras should be plenty. a wide angle 20mm equiv. and a 50-70mm equiv. most ultra wides are useless anyway.
@@Soundwave857 Sure. But when somebody tells me that they are enjoying having a toolset for their PROFESSIONAL career (he's a photographer), I tend to trust them more than just "you'll be fine with a hammer and a screwdriver".
@@PaDamTuts
Average Joes don't need a Torx screwdriver in their toolkit. Adding one is an unnecessary cost. Anyone who needs one can buy one. Anyone who doesn't need one should have options to buy a toolkit without it for a lower cost.
It's the same with cameras. I don't care what a professional needs for their career - I shouldn't have to buy it if I'm not going to use it. Dedicated professionals carry DSLRs anyway. Multi-lens phone cameras only appeal to amateurs.
@@PaDamTuts I'm a photographer myself
I wish they apply this worldwide in every phone ♥️
It could happen, as products often just adapt their phones for the EU law and then sell them world wide to make the management less complicated. All hail the EU!
Water-resistant devices have existed before all the manufacturers decided to stop batteries from being replaceable, so that won't change, unless it would be their push against the regulation.
Samsung S5?
Xcover by Samsung: Ip68 with removable battery
I agree that having a lower battery capacity is a acceptable trade off if you can swap out your battery, but I can also see how many people will complain that it's too much effort. While the battery is small you still need to carry it around and some people propably won't care to try and figure out how to replace it.
I actually like the extra camera's, especially one with an optical zoom lens. I use it to help me read things I otherwise can't.
Macro ones are awful. No one ever used them. If much rather the main camera get an upgrade than have some of the budget squandered on a macro camera that does nothing
@@truth.speakermacro is nice for certain things
However i think it's better to make Main camera good and have a Macro camera option which is purely digital... as in it's gonna use the Main camera as a macro camera so focus is set to be really close like it is on Macro camera so you can take focused HD pics of really close up things
I've never bought a phone without a removable battery. I consider phones without removable battery as disposable junk. A 1200 dollar phone is 1100 more than they are worth. Phones are a scam. I have had my current phone going on 8 years now and plan on keeping it for another ten or more.
I absolutely would love to have a user replacable battery. No good excuse for it to not be the case