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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ก.ย. 2024
- This week we take a look at a profession very underrepresented in Starbase, Asteroid Haulers! Watch along to see some of the reasoning why you should seriously consider storing your mining ship for an extended period, or opt to get an asteroid hauler over your next mining ahip upgrade!
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the ore market is crashing , asteroids are dissapearing, and im still just trying to upgrade my laborer
The issue mainly is finding large asteroids in the safe zone. I don't see how that is any different taking the full asteroid vs mining. The upside of mining is you can have a station in the belt that you can bring the ore back to closer, then haul back to a station once you want to sell.
We been grabbing roids since day 3. For eg. 1 char stack goes for around 4k. That same roid sold as full untouched will go for 25k... Selling stacks is a waste of time.. big roids of basic ore can get 200-600k for 1 roid... Mine it sell in stacks and be lucky to get 60k
Ore prices plummeting, murder your local miner to restore the market
Yes everyone start doing this so my ore prices go up!!
Let’s hope so! I want a reason to go outside of the safezone
should just let the dev increase the demand of the ore
It’s supply and demand, like any market it will stabilize.
I had a spare hour went around the safe zone got a cargo hold of 160 filled up
Easy half a million credits
It'll never stabilize, the more players that join the game, the more people there are to under cut auction house prices. RN selling most ore on the AH nets you less than selling to the ore towers, this wont change, the majority of people that play games like this aren't too bright and will often sell stuff for "less than it's value". It happens in almost every game with a player driven economy. The only thing you can potentially make more money on is the high tier ores that tend to be out of the reach of the "bobs". Zone 1 and 2 ores will always be cheaper than they should be because the vast majority of people don't assign real value to their time spent in a video game, and they don't think about things like AH taxes that reduce their profit margin. It's why you can sell your ore to the ore tower and make about 10% than the chumps selling their ore on the AH.
@@ArmitageShanksMC when the price tanks, less people will farm or sell
Putting the price back up
Making more people farm and sell
Putting the price back down
@@adamdadds4566 No, that's not at all how it works.
@@ArmitageShanksMC explain you’re thinking ?
I have stopped farming in the safe zones due to this reason and am making about the same as I was farming the safe zone materials 6 months ago
I haven’t gone farming for a while maiming due to time but also I have a large bank account so i don’t need to atm
i had this ship... but might just as well mine the ore and just sell it into the NPC shop... asteroid are fun, but if you thinking for the money, mining was faster for it
While that way may be more cost efficient in terms cost of the ship itself, it's not as cost efficient if you have decent mining ship with 4+ lasers. Remember, that if you mine it manually you are getting mostly only the more valuable stuff, which, even tho takes more time to do, is by far going to be faster money, since you can bring far more actual ore in one trip, so the more scarce asteroids (and in particular big ones) become, the more manual mining would make sense financially. Plus, if you sell it to the terminal, you are just converting it into credits without contributing to the economy, further hurting the prices. I really hope that developers will get rid of the current "infinite drain" system, since it's the only thing that keeps the economy from working properly. I do realize that there is going to be a wipe in near future and it doesn't matter in the end, but if the same attitude towards selling ore for quick cash into an endless nothing after the wipe will continue, it will really hurt the game in the long run.
When did they say anything about a wipe? Last track I had, they had no planned wipes.
thank you for explaining everything and not just one thing!
How big are those cargo lock frames im trying to build a ship for catching asteroids myself and just need to know how big my frame needs to be to fit a tier 10
the thing is about the masterdon, it runs out of total batteres way to quickly by using the thrusters alot, idk if im using it wrong or something but thats annoying XD stoping for a while WHILE it charges, yeah, but it does payalot if your careful i guess
i would haul the asteroids into the safezone of my station have a generator ship and some handheld mining lasers and mine them down you can then put the refined ore into the cargo lock frame as well since one block of refined or is a bit smaller then a ore crate you can get a lot of matierieals from thet and since the shell material is worth about nothing you can just keep it for station expension and sell the core mats on the AH
You get payed stupid high prices for full roids. I already tried moving roids into my safe zone.. they vanish if U fly out.. was going to herd a heap but does not work.
You should work with cop puncher on TH-cam. Your ship his targeting. Go mining!
OKI ships are designed to be affordable as secondary starter ships as the first upgrade from the EZBuild ships. The Magnus / Marmot lines are very durable and worth the investment.
I suspect the weird price difference is because one is trading with other players and the other is selling to NPCs, i.e. one is subject to supply and demand and the other is based on how the developers programmed it. Since it is early access and the devs have other priorities there could be a serious balance problem.
The "Asteroid Mining" feature video from 2019 mentions the same idea, dragging asteroids directly to station, to the receptacles you mentioned. I have a few ideas for such asteroid haulers. It occurs to me that a tractor beam turret could be used to re-arrange objects inside your massive cargo lock frame to fit better. It would take more time but allow you to use the space more efficiently. For the technique you show in the video I think cargo lock beams would work better.
Tractor beams are super inaccurate though, the beams "flex" based on the weight of what they are moving, so they can be unpredictable. And I believe cargo lock beams are a lot harder to plan power requirements for, as they consume power based on the weight they are holding, where the lock frames just use a fixed amount of power based on the overall volume of the frame. I mean, you could just go overkill on generators and batteries to accommodate for the cargo lock beams, but that would seriously eat into your ship budget and might never be efficient.
there are still plenty to go around in the safe zone. head into clouds, that's where i find my big bois
It was to my understanding that hauling asteroids back didn't net you as much $ as actually mining and selling it yourself.
Which, considering that I've read in multiple places that asteroids were supposed to be finite, would be a waste to just haul a bunch of asteroids for less credits and not even keeping the ore in the economy.
the rocks are finite but they're also in the order of billions if not trillions in the eos belt alone. even if every person in the world was playing this game they still wouldnt run out.
There’s a lot of things that happen that don’t keep the ore in the economy. I’ve probably put a million charodium into basic craft benches and selling them to the NPC shop.
Well thats wrong. You get 1.6x the value of the total ore in the asteroid if you bring it in intact to the sell place in Origin stations, compared to if you mined the minerals normally. Thats in the latest version of the game at least.
It pays to stay up to date with your information instead of just assuming things =)
So yes, you do gain MORE money if you bring intact asteroids.
The problem is a lot of these ship designs are poorly thought out, so they cant function efficently or reliably.
But if you can, hauling asteroids is more profitable per time, because you dont need to spend time mining, you just grab it and haul straight back to station, faster turnaround time, plus that +60% profit bonus.
The only downside is that you wont get any materials, you just get the money.
But, you could arguably use said +60% profit to simply buy the materials you need on the AH.
@@TheFloorface Thats not entirely true. The devs confirmed there are a few billions of rocks in each belt.
If 1 million players played the game 3 hours every day and mined 1 rock per minute, then we'd mine out about 1 billion rocks in a few months. Do the math, its quite surprising.
@@skroll82 wait you can sell more than just ore??? where and how? i assume its not the same as where you sell ore at the refueling towers? i love this game but damn if they dont skimp on the explanations. theres so much stuff that just not even mentioned anywhere.
been using the very tiny pincer to do this same thing! Very cheap to begin with transporting asteroids...Colossus? Same three lock bays....curious
what is the most efficient way to find large asteroids
Cool idea
Where do these mega asteroids show up? Do we need to leave the sz to get them?
Thats cool I should design one of these. Also what happens when an asteroid hits one of the stasis walls. Does it cause damage to it? Does it glitch through very often?
So I’ve only used this in the safezone but if you are going too fast and a rock hits one of those walls before stasis, it will collide and make a ton of scary noises before eventually just glitching through the wall. It won’t go very far most of the time, so you can just spin around and try again. Sometimes though, the rock may despawn if you really took a smack to it
@@Bobkabob hmmm, cool. Well good to know. I'll have to try some things at some point. See how they work. Though I seem to do so much experimental stuff in the game I don't make much money or get many resources maybe I should focus on mining for a bit
Thanks, now rare ore will just disappeared from the game and never be used....... To some point you can't just build several components.
with isan code the more receivers you have the better you can gps and position locations
Nope, ISAN only uses 4 receivers at once. You can set up a redundancy system with "spare" receivers for when your active receivers get damaged, but having more than 4 receivers does nothing for ISAN.
Mmm can't wait till the SafeZone is a barren wasteland, so many tasty miners to pop when you have to leave 😈
You have to find us first.
Not sorry to burst your bubble but the devs have said when the safe zone is depleted/ near depleted they will refill it for new players. Asteroids in the PVP zone are finite though
It is important to note that safezone ores are the new player experience. I think they are making a mistake letting it deplete as much as they have been. Particularly with their (IMHO bizarre) decision to have the base laborer set the generator up to 100 and not tell you how to lower it or something or just not have it default to 100.
@@Thk10188965 That is indeed an important note to make. My initial comment was a statement upon the excessive strip mining of the SafeZone by no longer new players. People playing for "maximum income" instead of continuing out past the SafeZone is exactly why the new player experience is quickly becoming terrible. Frostbyte needs to address the potential income charodium strip mining offers or people will never leave the SafeZone because it's become clear all they care about is income per hour.
@@sdhority Yea something where the safe zone ores are much more focused on being used rather than sold. I feel a 'medium safe zone' where you don't have to fear other players, only collisions with rocks you or your group are hosting (because otherwise people would weaponize rocks and the point of the zone be defeated) with some more valuable resources might help. The 150m/s speed cap really hurts though; stuff has to become magnitudes more valuable to offset travel time. A big part of this is the SAFE part of the safe zone. Ships are large investments, putting them at risk jeopardizes return on that investment, so why do it when you can just not.
The safe zone ores are just too valuable.
Thanx for the info.
but just some constructive criticism: this video would benefit allot by decent editing. cutting out low points and double takes( 15:40 ) would be a great start.
@Bobkabob How buy this Ship plz ?
Could you share how large one box needs to be to fit a t10?
Don’t want to give false info but if you measure the height of the cargo bay for the mastodon, you can make that distance the same for the width to fit a t10. If it can clear the height for the mastodon, you know for certain it probably has the same width/depth! Good luck!
Count the thrusters in the video. That will give you a good idea.
where and how do i find these "mega asteroids" you speak off? can i find then in the safezone? i have done quite a bit of mining now but i havent seen any asteroid that i would call "mega"
Instead of heading "out" into the belt, fly on a tangent from the origin ring. You can get 100km+ from origin stations this way, and not a lot of people bother to make trips that long (or quite frankly don't have the ship to do it).
hey tell me I bought the ship, but what I don't quite understand how many ateroids are allowed to transport (capture) is there an advertisement for?
Trying this in the Mastodon and the rocks keep glitching out the back. How many rocks is this thing supposed to hold, or how do you get that to stop?
Do you seriously fly the roids back? We built small ships that can hook 4 roids and be towed back for a low price.. normally 2-4k leaving heaps of profit in half the time.. we been doing it since day 3. Ps unsure if Insurance trans then towing roids in small cheap ships is bannable
It certainly feels like an exploit right? I have no idea haha
@@Bobkabob I may ask the admin about it. But yeah small ship = small tow fee. Roid come with it free lol
@@MrMadmazz 100% an exploit
@@ArmitageShanksMC yeah I was thinking that.
but there are no T10 Asteroids out there yet? are they? i was Zone 4 and i only found 1 big asteroids. i mean 1 Tier thats significant bigger then the others. im still doing 3 mill in 2h. so 20 mill i can do in half a day. with mining in Zone 3.
have you tried using the cargo lock beams?
It's much harder to plan your power requirements around cargo lock beams, as they use variable amounts of power based on the weight they're holding. The frame uses a fixed amount of power based on it's total volume, so you can easily know how much power is required to keep them running safely.
can you please check the discord link. i tried to go and i get an invalid link message. thank you. please put out more videos like this one.
you can not move one ship inside another in game yet just so you know
Not if the ship is a valid ship frame. You can haul wrecks that aren't considered "functioning" ships (ie. they have no thrusters).
I've been living a lie there's nothing inside
empyrion?
if only the ships in this game didnt randomly get durability errors. i cant fathom wasting weeks to grind a ship just to lose it out of your control within hours..
Its not random, its because the weight of the object / cargo you carry now affects your ship as well. You need to factor that in when you design the ship.
@@Baleur it was a pre built buzzard. One if the high end ships in the vintage shop. But I came to figure all the pre built are dog shit
Shouldn't take weeks to grind a ship. Spent about 8 million on ships this weekend. All made rock hauling.
Another box.
u ppl cannot hide for ever in pve area :D. there will come a point where u have to organise urselfs and came out for the good stuff.
And that will be the same moment when the number of players will drop significantly.
Because most players who play games like Starbase have exactly zero desire to be targets for the PewPew faction in their scarce free time.
@@kitsunesenpai441 its not a pve game.ppl that are afraid of PewPew factions can talk to other factions and pay them for protection.
like in other games.
@@StackOverFlow87 That would A:require talking to people, and B: Isn't particularly viable with how fragile ships tend to be, if you shoot first you probably also win, (so just shoot the miner first, day ruined successfully, the escort is bonus targets) so many critical components explode.
This doesn't even get into how ships for attackers are almost certainty designed to be cheap and disposable while the miner's ships will tend toward large and expensive investments. What would be needed is some sort of insurance system, so what is at stake isn't the ship itself but rather the cargo. This of course would basically require salvage not to be a thing or insurance would just be a money printer.
Now if time to kill goes up significantly this might give potential escorts the chance to be effective. What also might help would be some sort of proximity detector so your potential pirate's first notice of existing isn't their bullets.
However I do not think I can sufficiently stress the massive hurdle 'talking to people' is. (I am aware this is an MMO, it doesn't matter, getting people to talk to strangers is hard, let alone trust them.) For many, anyone outside their friend group practically don't exist and or are not seen as 'people'.
Awsome
That's Dan crazy bro
the ship is terrible,dont even get close to it