Identify where your PC is Bottlenecked
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 มิ.ย. 2024
- Where is your PC being held back? CPU or GPU? I run some simulations and quick tests to find out where the bottleneck may be in the games you're playing.
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PC Specs
Intel 9900K @ 5gHz
32GB G.SKILL Trident RGB RAM
MSI RTX 2080 Gaming X Trio
Samsung M.2 970 EVO Plus M.2
Windows 10 Pro
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Timestamps:
00:00:00 - Intro
00:01:18 - MSI Afterburner Download
00:02:13 - MSI Afterburner Setup
00:05:45 - Test Explanation and Modern Warfare Telemetry
00:08:25 - CPU Bottleneck with "slow" GPU
00:09:29 - CPU Bottleneck with "fast" GPU
00:10:17 - GPU Bottleneck with "slow" GPU
00:11:09 - GPU Bottleneck with "fast" GPU
00:11:38 - Summary and Outro
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dude Imma use this video everytime someone asks me what to upgrade
Glad it will be useful :) if there are other aspects you think would be interesting, let me know and I'll consider making a video on it.
Took a lot of time to understand how bottlenecks work, I finally understood with you video. Big thanks man. Didn't knew your channel, it was a nice find. Appreciate the calmness of the process at all, good to watch at night.
ty so much for the kind words, glad you enjoyed the vid!
Stupendous video…very much thnx….this is the video i was looking for , now all those fancy videos talking theoretically only…u actually simulated all the scenarios and showed us the real time performance difference we can get actually❤❤❤
thanks so much for this vid!! its totally underrated!
helped me a lot !!!
Great vid bro, finally learned something different compared to other you tubers
Good example is Grayzone warfare:
RTX 3070 (3440x1440)
Ryzen 9 3900x (4.2gHz)
low-mid settings = 30-50 fps - stutters and lags. :)
Im gonna have to check the CPU/GPU time soon on this
Thanks for you video it helped a lot !
thank u so much, its really good help for me.
2 years and your video is still the best thing I come close to determine the bottleneck. Also you looked like Avicii withthat ncs running in the background
Thank you so much for the kind words ❤️
Hi, great video. Very well shows the concept of bottlenecking. I was wondering what version of CoD:MW is the one shown in the video? I found multiple MW's: 1, 2, 3..
Finally after dozens of videos you made me understand how this works. Thanks from 2024 🤩
glad I could help!!
Interesting how the CPU usage doesn’t increase when you under clock it. One would think with less cores and clock the CPU would have to work harder to keep up with the GPU but both the CPU and GPU have low utilisation.
Bro, this video is GOLD! Thanks alot mate...
ps: i got a question, sometimes my game and windows get a little slow and freezes and i see my SSD going to 100% and his health is at 65%, its very probably that is SSD problem right?
Very clear and understandable…. For those laymen like me..
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for the very informative video. Too much stuff going on in bottleneck topic. Why i am here is, my 3090FE GPU %80-90 and 3600 CPU are %70 ish. I need to monitor GPU and CPU time. Couldn't find a program to monitor GPU/CPU time beside your method Warzone game, my question is do i need to install warzone just to monitor these parameters?
I have Ryzen 5 3600 and RTX 3070. I heard it bottlenecks on 1080P. It works fine on 1440P? Is it true? I tried in both the resolution with fixed FPS. But both ran fine. Could you explain me if 1080P bottlenecks?
Great video it's not helpful for my current situation but i learned something new, my situation is i have a 3070 ti with Ryzen 7 2700 and 32gb 3600mhz, i want to upgrade my cpu to a high end one am thinking about the 13900kf and don't know if it will be fine with my 3070 ti or will it bottleneck hard.
I cant tell whether it's both, I have an RX 570 and i3 8100 and my gpu usage spikes between 0% - 100% and my cpu is always 70% - 90% so I dont know what to do
Hello sir Carto, i do have a couple of questions. Im planning to upgrade my GPU im currently
running on Geforce RTX 2080 TI (motherboard: Z390 Aorus Master Chipset LGA 1151 Atx), Core i9 -9900k
, 32gb ram Power watts: (1000). 3080 ti or 3090 GPU is on my top list do you think I will be having a bottleneck or any problems if i upgrade the GPU?. what is the 3080 ti or 3090 GPU is compatible to my Motherboard ? Im specifically playing high end game on 4k monitor with high setting all time. Thanks hope someone can help me, i do appreciate 🙏
I can't display gpu time and cpu time on my screen can anybody help
My CPU usage was at 100% percent and my GPU usage was at 38%. I have a Ryzen 3 3200g and my GPU is a RTX 2060, but I will upgrading to a Ryzen 5 2600 so I believe it was my cpu holding back my GPU right? I’m using a 166 refresh rate monitor but my performance is so bad at times. Also my GPU time was 5-13 and my CPU time 9-20
not only bottlenecks come from gpu and cpu though. they can also come from poor ram
Just ran Returnal with an 8500+1070ti+16G Ram at 1440P all medium settings except texture quality at high. Frames around 52 average, GPU at 100 all the way while the CPU bounced between 40 and 88 usage. Not much hope throwing a 3070ti in there as was planned, lol.
Good video
how do you test the gpu/cpu times withput using modern warfare
hey great video, you explain things really clearly. i am just installing afterburner and rivatuner but i cant seem to open rivatuner like you have to be able to make the same adjustments. any ideas?
Eyyy tyty! When you mention you can't seem to open riva-tuner like I have, are you speaking to the program itself? If so, it will auto-minimize to your system tray, so you've got to open it by double clicking it from there. Trying to open from anywhere else will just send it to the tray as it runs in the background.
@@gamedevcarto ah ok I shall have a look. Thanks for getting back to me as well, new to pc and so much has changed since I last used them ha.
I have CPU bottleneck how can I fix this in laptop?
DETAIL- GTX 1650 Ti + RYZEN 5 4600h
PLEASE HELP ME 😊
Thankyou....
Hey, I'm having a really obscure problem, and its been well into half a year without me figuring it out. I have a severely bottlenecked system. 5900x 3080Ti 850W Corsair power supply 32GB DDR4 3600Mhz and B550 Asus Plus AC HES Mobo. I have 8 fans in the system, temps are good, bios is updated, drivers are updated, gaming at 1080p alright highs and horrible lows. Any suggestions? GPU usuage is okay, CPU usuage is there too but im not understanding why the system isnt doing its normal numbers, runs very unstable with bad stutters.
I would also like to mention that I cant even lock the system into 144 fps in minecraft even with crompromises, same thing with Hitman 3 on Ultra settings, cant even lock it to 60 or 100 without it becoming super unstable and stuttering everywhere.
So my PC build is cobbled together with parts given to me by a couple friends.
I have a i9-9900K CPU
32 GBs of RAM
I am currently using this with my previous graphics card GTX 1060 6GB
When I load up Tarkov my GPU usage is 98% but CPU is only running at 30%
I get around 60 FPS but I have a lot of stuttering and screen tearing. Do I have to upgrade my GPU? I see set up with the same graphics card get much better performance with the same game.
Sorry for the wicked delay on my end :(
If your CPU is at 30% but your GPU is at 98% it means your CPU is doing what it needs to, to feed the GPU information. What I would do is use a performance monitor like what is built into Afterburner and watch the graphs they have. When you're getting stuttering if you're noticing a huge spike in CPU usage, then it's a CPU problem, but if you're noticing extra stress on the GPU then you could just be running into a limitation of your GPU. A GPU can be at 100% usage but still come across scenarios that cause 1% lows to drop which you will feel in gameplay.
@@gamedevcarto wow I had totally forgotten about this comment! No worries I appreciate that you took the time to go back and reply! I have since upgraded some hardware including a new GPU and power supply and I am getting a lot better performance! Still definitely worth doing some research with afterburner use if your advice here because I still have some of these issues on rare occasions. Thank you for the reply!
sometimes i get 95% gpu usage and 70% cpu usage but other times its the other way around and my cpu temp is always at 100 degrees Celsius can anyone help me understand whats going on
Hey, i just downloaded RivaTuner statistics, but i can't open it or delete it. How can i fix this?
My gpu and cpu both never get above 50% but my game still caps at like 200 fps, why can’t I get my gpu or cpu to a higher percentage to boost my fps?
What if I have a 1660 super at 20% and a i5 9400f at 11%
this is after I put a core clock of +150 and a memory clock of +850,
Not sure if I'm bottlenecked or there is just something wrong in general. I'm so lost not sure what I should be doing.
my specs are
Z390 Aorus Ultra
16gb (2x8) @ 3600
1660 super overclocked +150 core +850 memory
i5 9400f (Locked processer)
Did you find what's wrong?
I am not sure if I have a ram bottleneck and Am not equipped to check.
Updated bios 2903
Looked at CPUZ - as with Alex video but not sure what to look for in JEDEC
Taskman shows Ram never exceed 8 GB
Do not have an XMP or DCOP option, only Manual or Auto.
I have an asus z790m Plus 1150, 2 hyperx Fury 1866
Jedec shows 837 and 888 888 888 on the CPU z - not sure if an issue
Recommendation: Most bottleneck videos talk about GPU and CPU but not how to identify if ram is DEFINITIVELY bottlenecked by BIOS and Windows Checks. Create a video focused solely on RAM bottleneck diagnostics
Hi Carto, watched your video great tips. I'm using a rtx 2060 with a i5 9400f which from what ive learnt the cpu is massively bottlenecks my gpu with my gpu using only 38% anytime I'm on a game. What would be the best upgrade for this graphics card under £300.00. Many Thanks!
You should be fine if you lower the cpu a singular generation, like an i5 8400 should be ok
I'm not 100% where prices are at these days, but if you could find a 9900K on the second hand market, it may be the way to go. I paired one with a 2080 a while ago and they worked really well together. If the 9900K is too much, dropping down to an 8700K will get you hyperthreading and about 600mhz of additional boost on the top end.
Then whats the perfect "time" and usage for zero bottleneck???
my gpu usage usage is rly unstable, it drops from 80 to 10 to 98....
how can i solve this?
hi Carto!
i' ve been using i5 4690k and Gtx 970 , used to get around 45-65 fps on any game and recently i upgraded my Cpu i bought i5 9600k so i was getting 10/20Fps more than what i getting earlier , but after using it for 2-3 months the fps dropped drastically , it would give me maximum 45-55 fps, what do you think is it bottlenecking???
If your performance has suddenly dropped lower than it used to be, it's probably not a bottleneck. It's a temp throttle, most likely. Check your cpu temperatures and replace the thermal paste.
@@Euronius Bro the same case is for me
I have been Using GTX 960 with a intel Xeon E3 1271.Earlier the gaming on my pc was smooth but after 6 to 7 months it has started to stutter very badly...is it a bottle neck or temp issue with my CPU?
@@ahmedmirza9403 100% temp issue or a bad driver update. Revert back to an older gpu driver and clean out your cpu/gpu and replace thermal pastes. If it was a bottleneck, it should’ve always been there. Performance shouldn’t drop that drastically over time
The gpu…
How do you determine sub qualities?
IE how do you determine, with RAM, if it's amount, or speed?
I get, somewhat, downgrading your cpu various ways in Bios to determine if this speed or cores or threads, even if messing with any setting in Bios gives me hives at the idea of destroying the machine somehow.
And with video cards, how might one determine if its clock speed, or vram amount, or even vram clock speed, responsible for a bottle neck?
For amount, it will come down to your usage. You can check RAM utilization via the task manager to see if you're constantly running near your capacity. For speed, it's best to check benchmarks in general. From the best of my knowledge, current CPUs on both Intel and AMD seem to prefer RAM around the 3200-3600 range for best performance. Going above that will net some gains, but at serious diminishing returns when it comes to cost vs performance.
would a 2400g bottleneck a 1070ti?
cant unlock those measures, gpu time, cpu time, latency etc
so i tried this and both times were the exact same, so I am CPU bottleneck right?
i reallyyy need an upgrade but not sure where i should start, any ideas?
specs:
i5 3570k 3.40 Ghz
8GB DDR3......
GTX 750 Ti
thanks bro!!
So I have a 3060 ti with a i7-9700f and get only around 100-110 FPS on all low settings on Warzone. Does anyone know if the cpu is a bottleneck and if I would need to consider upgrading it?
defo CPU bound. upgrade cpu
@@bawling2010 ok thanks
my cpu utilization is always higher than the gpu why? in all games
TBH, i'm more hyped for the amd cards because from what i've heared they have a card on the same level as a 3080 for a lower price.
It's a good time to be a consumer :)
only a few ms will give a bottleneck?
First game I booted after setting up as in the video, light usage: GPU usage 73%, CPU 38%. I lol'd.
I undeclocked my gpu to 1447 on core clock and 8999 on memory, then I underclocked my Xeon e5 2696v3 to 4 cores at 3ghz. I had 100% usage on cpu and a gram time of 7-8 and the gpu 6-7
Getting 137 fps
i went from 850m to 3060 ti and a i7 10700, and the fps from fortnite got better, but got less stable a lot less stable, and my friend with a 1660 15 10500f has more fps then me so idk wtf is happening
My ram and cpu percentage is more then gpu soo i need to upgrade my cpu or gpu?
At lot can also depend on the game you're playing. I'd fire up a GPU benchmark, like 3DMark, and see if your GPU still isn't at 100%. If it isn't then a CPU upgrade is in order.
what should the CPU and GPU times be?
close to each other as possible but you never want to be cpu bottlenecked. but every system is bottlenecked to an extent. you just need to minimise it as possible. u always want 95-100% on ur gpu or your not getting the power you paid for it
I got 13500 with rtx 3060ti…is this a good combo? Kingly let me know gamers ty
i have no bottleneck but my 2060 + I5 9400F are still slow!!! I can't even run roblox max graphics when the map is loaded in with 30 FPS someone help
I got an i7 11700f, Asus Rog strix 3060, 32gb 3600mhz,750 watt power supply and it’s underperforming in alot of games. I was thinking about upgrading my motherboard and buying the i9 11900k
i7 11700f and 3600mhz ram wont even bottleneck a 3080 mate.
@@OhKyro yea i was using the second pcie slot the whole time and that was the cause of my gpu underperforming. I’m very stupid 💀I’m always learning something new so.
@@iSprayPlayZg Damn 😂 im glad u figured it out. Nice Specs
hey guys , i found out my cpu is bottlenecking, in warzone. do you guys think if i overclock the cpu will it fix it?
how about in game cpu and gpu usage is equivalent? means cpu 100% and gpu 100% too
is it bootleneck for both or this scenario is balance?
@@miar-ridho3614 that's most definitely a cpu bottleneck. Your cpu should never hit 100% on any game.
Why is my gpu and cpu only running like 35% how do I boost it to at least 80% or something
Honestly, depending on the game, sometimes you can't. I run into this issue with Tarkov all the time. The PC has resources to spare and the game just isn't using them. It can come down to the engine and the game itself.
While playing world of tanks, mu CPU is at 40-50% but my GPU is only at 50-52%? I am playing with high settings. What is my bottleneck?
Cpu
so my gpu being at 7ms and cpu at 4 is technically not ideal/"bad" *rtx 3050, i512400f*
This is for NVIDIA GPUs. What about AMD?
Asking for those who use AMD Radeon GPUs, as I’m pretty sure that they aren’t compatible.
Same theory applies. If your GPU is getting absolutely hammered and in game where you can see it your CPU is nice and low, than you're GPU bound. GPU usage and GPU/CPU time are not a function of nVidia but are statistics used in rendering in general.
RivaTuner doesn't work. open the exe and click yes to admin permission... then nothing.
MSI RTX 3070 + Ryzen 7 5800X3D and I have 100% GPU vs 47% CPU in Dying Light 2 - how can I unbottleneck my GPU? It has OC + Undervoltage already...
When you have 100% GPU usage it means you're using all of the processing power your video card has to offer. That card is running at capacity so there really isn't a way to "unbottleneck" it, your system is running optimally. You should be concerned if your CPU is at 100% but your GPU is not. This means your CPU is holding your GPU back. The scenario you currently have where your GPU is running at full tilt, is ideal.
@@gamedevcartoooooohhh so my case is 100% normal as it shpuld be, that's great :D thank ypu
@@n8n8n8n yep! 100% GPU is what you want :)
So you won’t ever getting out of these “bottle neck” cycles since CPU and GPU advancing at different rates
Yep, something will always hold you back. It's all about balancing your upgrades to make the right move. In some scenarios your PC can even be more powerful than what a game engine can handle and your CPU and GPU will both be starved of information because the engine itself is the bottleneck (Tarkov is a good example of this)
How do you tell if ur motherboard is good enough or not? What if my bottleneck is my motherboard
The motherboard itself is rarely the issue, to be honest. In a way you could consider the motherboard a bottleneck when you can no longer upgrade the other components due to lack of support.
@@gamedevcarto THANK YOU
@@MrLeva115 Most welcome! Sorry for the wicked delay in replying, I completely dropped the ball. Thanks for checking out the channel!
@@gamedevcarto it’s all good! It’s much appreciated that you got back with me! ❤️
I HAVE I3 9100F + MSI GAMING X RX5700XT LMAO IT STUTTER SO BADDD BUT ILL UPGRADE TO I5-I7 9TH GEN SOON!!!
Where do we download riva from
It comes with MSI Afterburner. I did a video a long time ago on it, need to do a new one but this should still be pretty on point.
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I have CPU bottleneck how can I fix this in laptop?
DETAIL- GTX 1650 Ti + RYZEN 5 4600h
PLEASE HELP ME 😊
Thankyou....
my thing only shows my frames nothing else
nevermind fixed it but my cpu usage is around 60% and my gou usage 20% from what i watched the video its bad so should i upgrade my gpu or cpu
@@ooomatz If your CPU is at 60% and your GPU is at 20% it could also be an app/game issue. What game are you using for your tests?
Can you please talk louder
Lol. Put the volume up
Lol
Well i can almost see same CPU and GPU time at 1080p with Ryzen 5 5600X 4.6Ghz + 3070..