Glad you caught the size difference! & you are correct about drilling or reaming the adapter out, the more metal would take out; could compromise the integrity of the metal! My advise would be to contact the suppressor company & see if they have an appropriate adapter, if not contact a local machine shop & see if they could custom build an adapter. I have experience as an electrician, plumber, welder and a retired firefighter- E.M.T. and fire & explosion investigator; so I may not be the smartest guy in the world, but I am glad that you didn't try to shoot the rifle without checking your equipment first! That is a sign of well trained shooter & gun enthusiasts! Keep up the great work & videos!!!
Good catch!!! It pays to double check your gear. I was impressed with the gun smith who built a muzzle brake for me on my 7mag. When he measured it for me when I picked it up. I had no issues squeezing the trigger for the first time. So glad you checked it out first . And you are Ok.! Cheers
I know Who T knows what he is doing but I do not understand why he measured the inside diameter with the outside of the caliper jaws. Please explain. Thanks.
That would actually require a lathe. I've made adapters before in mine. If you find someone to make it, make sure they use the right material, too. Brass and aluminum adapters can stretch when used, causing misalignment between your bore and can. That can cause a baffle strike. Stainless steel is best, but is much harder to machine. Any questions, just ask.
That was a good catch to what would have been a good mess. You would think firearm companies could keep a standard thread for each calibre range to make it safer.
I'm not really into cans,but considering that the the diameter of the bullet is .429-.430,I would think that you would want an inside diameter of NO LESS than .430. Good catch,it always pays to double check.Keep up the good work.
Good catch. Since it screws into the suppressor, it's supported and enforced by the suppressor, so I would think it would be safe to drill it out to .450. The wall SHOULD be thick enough to hold up just fine. But that's only me thinking. Don't do it just because I think it'll work. Sometimes my thinker doesn't work quite right, or at least that's what I've been told. Thanks for the heads up.
In the excitement of a new gun it's easy to miss really important things. Good catch. Utlimately you'd have certainly destroyed the muzzle device, and probably the barrel as it would have extruded the boolat through the hole. The back pressure would have been ungodly.
Good video, I had the same issue with the CVA Scout Pistol chambered in 44 Magnum. I purchased a muzzle brake with the same thread pattern, attached it to the barrel and prepared to go to the range. However I started looking at the brake and got an uneasy feeling about diameter of the neck of the brake. Did a quick fit check with a 44 Magnum round and sure enough it was too large for the muzzle break. Avoided a real disaster...
most 30 caliber is the 5/8 thread. when you get into the big bores it jumps up to 11/16 or 18mm, so its strong enough. my 458 socom barrel from Wilson combat is 11/16 thread by some fine thread that I can't remember right now. if you bore that adapter, it may not be strong enough for full power rounds.
Adam, call Gavintoobe and have him turn you an end cap on his lathe for your can. That intermediate adapter is a mickey mouse bad idea. You might have to send him one of your end caps off the can and the muzzle brake with it's metric thread so he can match the thread on the can and the thread on the barrel. The less threaded joints you have on your rig, the less possibility of one of them getting loose and there goes accuracy (missed deer), screwed up can ($$$) or muzzle or worse like what could have happened with swaging an angry .429 bullet down to .396!
Take the can to a machine shop and have them make a new end cap with the 18m internal thread and the external to fit the can. Cost will be minimal and it will be right and much stronger in the event that you accidently knock it out of the tree stand. DOO DOO HAPENS.
Silencerco or Silencershop should have a cap with that thread pitch. It might be a tad pricey, but you only need 1 & it's much cheaper than buying a new rifle, and much more common than buying a new hand or eye to replace the ones destroyed in the explosion. It pays to be extra careful and to double check your equipment before sending rounds through it. Glad to hear you spotted the issue before a disaster occurred. Be blessed, brother.
Good video. Really good information to let people know to make sure and throughly check all of your equipment before you use it. At first, I thought it might be sized for something like an AK, but I'm not sure that the inside diameter is big enough for that either. I am also glad that you caught it before something bad happened.
Most jacketed bullets are .429 or .430 for the 444 and 44 mag. If you ever want to try a cast bulet and get good accuracy you may need a bullet of .432 or even larger to work well. Your can adapter needs a hole about .002 or larger than bullet diameter to give clearance for the bullet. More wont hurt.
As others have stated the 444 is the same diameter as the 44magnum. In fact, there was a lot of issues that if you use the pistol bullets that they were too lightly constructed.
Buy the smallest thread adapter for that can and have a reputable smith cut and thread it for M18. Less chance of tolerance stacking and alignment issues than using an additional thread adapter…not to mention the Elmer Fudd potential.
You've always got to be careful when swapping cans to new and different applications. I would be leery of using an adaptor, but would much rather see you get the properly threaded component for your suppressor. Even better would be to go to a good gunsmith or machine shop and have your barrel rethreaded to a more standard 5/8-24 or 11/16-24. Im glad you caught it when you did and that you made this video to help enlighten others to the potential hazard.
Yup The 444 uses a .429 bullet same as the 44 Spl and Magnum NO DONT USE A DRILL PRESS!! Threads need be concentric with bore unless its well oversized. Making it well oversized may make it too weak/ thin.
That's why the 444 has the big thread... to leave enough metal. Any friend with a lathe could turn it out for you, but the wall would be pretty thin and could break if you subjected it to any large side forces.... If you had fired that rifle with the adapter on, it couldhave got "interesting. Keep safe buddy... 🙂
I had a choice to either buy a 22 semi-automatic or a 50 cal single shot CVA and I chose the CBA and I remember many years ago I made a comment why don't you make some muzzleloading content and you actually ended up doing it a couple years later or I'm not sure of the dates but I love this channel and I love the people behind it 1:09
I'm sure you have a machine shop locally that could safely drill the adapter out to a safe clearance since those threads are ultimately supported by the can
Well ya answered your question as to why they didn't thread it 5/8-24. There isn't enough metal to thread it that small and it be safe. Those step down adapters are just a bad idea anyways..
It's not the manufacturer fault they made a adapter that was safe. Exactly why cva didn't thread the barrel 5/8-24 it wouldn't leave enough thickness and be safe!!
I have a crap load of adapters for my Rugged suppressors. I'm awaiting my tri lug adapter which is backordered. Good thing is, I live less than 5 mi from there facility
Good thing you were paying attention!🇺🇲✝️🇺🇲 Revelation 1:8 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Praise God you checked. Definitely a profession where you need to double & triple check for safety.
Just an FYI, a jacketed 444 like a 44 is a .429. Really glad you didn't have a major problem.
Yeah good call, he measured the bullet on the canalure
Glad you caught the size difference! & you are correct about drilling or reaming the adapter out, the more metal would take out; could compromise the integrity of the metal! My advise would be to contact the suppressor company & see if they have an appropriate adapter, if not contact a local machine shop & see if they could custom build an adapter. I have experience as an electrician, plumber, welder and a retired firefighter- E.M.T. and fire & explosion investigator; so I may not be the smartest guy in the world, but I am glad that you didn't try to shoot the rifle without checking your equipment first! That is a sign of well trained shooter & gun enthusiasts! Keep up the great work & videos!!!
Good catch, Adam. That might have gotten ugly.
That would've been catastrophic! Uggh! Thank God you checked that. Whew!
Reason 6,274 that we NEVER have a quick beer before the range. Gotta have full wits about us because of things like this. Good catch brotha!!
With cans becoming the norm, I get the feeling we will be hearing more on the subject. Tanks
Hallelujah ! That could have been just abit uncomfortable. Very very happy it wasn't...
Good catch!!!
It pays to double check your gear.
I was impressed with the gun smith who built a muzzle brake for me on my 7mag.
When he measured it for me when I picked it up.
I had no issues squeezing the trigger for the first time.
So glad you checked it out first .
And you are Ok.!
Cheers
The flat parts of the jaws on the caliper are where you should measure the circumference of your round. The skinnier tips can be more deceiving.
I know Who T knows what he is doing but I do not understand why he measured the inside diameter with the outside of the caliper jaws. Please explain. Thanks.
That would actually require a lathe. I've made adapters before in mine.
If you find someone to make it, make sure they use the right material, too. Brass and aluminum adapters can stretch when used, causing misalignment between your bore and can. That can cause a baffle strike.
Stainless steel is best, but is much harder to machine.
Any questions, just ask.
That was a good catch to what would have been a good mess.
You would think firearm companies could keep a standard thread for each calibre range to make it safer.
Im glad you caught that my brother. God was watching out for you!!! Keep up the great content.
CVA needs to address this. Crazy threads.
Good catch.... after seeing the wall thickness of that adapter I would NOT drill it out either. Not enough material there for that.
I'm not really into cans,but considering that the the diameter of the bullet is .429-.430,I would think that you would want an inside diameter of NO LESS than .430. Good catch,it always pays to double check.Keep up the good work.
I'm certainly glad you caught this. Wow, that could have been disastrous.
The lord was watching out for you on this one. Good catch!
Phew, thank the Lord you checked before you fired. Some of us may admittedly have not checked (myself included). Good lesson.
Good catch Jethro
Good catch. Since it screws into the suppressor, it's supported and enforced by the suppressor, so I would think it would be safe to drill it out to .450. The wall SHOULD be thick enough to hold up just fine. But that's only me thinking. Don't do it just because I think it'll work. Sometimes my thinker doesn't work quite right, or at least that's what I've been told. Thanks for the heads up.
In the excitement of a new gun it's easy to miss really important things. Good catch. Utlimately you'd have certainly destroyed the muzzle device, and probably the barrel as it would have extruded the boolat through the hole. The back pressure would have been ungodly.
I’m sure happy you caught that WTW . Guns can be replaced people can’t . Cheers 🇨🇦
🙏Thank the Lord you checked that. DEFINITELY need to inform the folks where you got that thing!!!!
Good video, I had the same issue with the CVA Scout Pistol chambered in 44 Magnum. I purchased a muzzle brake with the same thread pattern, attached it to the barrel and prepared to go to the range. However I started looking at the brake and got an uneasy feeling about diameter of the neck of the brake. Did a quick fit check with a 44 Magnum round and sure enough it was too large for the muzzle break. Avoided a real disaster...
BTW do you shoot 44 Special in this firearm as well?
most 30 caliber is the 5/8 thread. when you get into the big bores it jumps up to 11/16 or 18mm, so its strong enough. my 458 socom barrel from Wilson combat is 11/16 thread by some fine thread that I can't remember right now. if you bore that adapter, it may not be strong enough for full power rounds.
That could've been a bad day. Glad you checked.
Nice catch buddy. We are glad you checked first
Adam, call Gavintoobe and have him turn you an end cap on his lathe for your can. That intermediate adapter is a mickey mouse bad idea. You might have to send him one of your end caps off the can and the muzzle brake with it's metric thread so he can match the thread on the can and the thread on the barrel.
The less threaded joints you have on your rig, the less possibility of one of them getting loose and there goes accuracy (missed deer), screwed up can ($$$) or muzzle or worse like what could have happened with swaging an angry .429 bullet down to .396!
Take the can to a machine shop and have them make a new end cap with the 18m internal thread and the external to fit the can. Cost will be minimal and it will be right and much stronger in the event that you accidently knock it out of the tree stand. DOO DOO HAPENS.
God was definitely with you my friend always with reloading and anything else to deal with bing bangs check and recheck good eye pays to be safe
Silencerco or Silencershop should have a cap with that thread pitch. It might be a tad pricey, but you only need 1 & it's much cheaper than buying a new rifle, and much more common than buying a new hand or eye to replace the ones destroyed in the explosion.
It pays to be extra careful and to double check your equipment before sending rounds through it. Glad to hear you spotted the issue before a disaster occurred. Be blessed, brother.
I'm really happy that you are safe, and caught this possible hazard.
Good video. Really good information to let people know to make sure and throughly check all of your equipment before you use it.
At first, I thought it might be sized for something like an AK, but I'm not sure that the inside diameter is big enough for that either. I am also glad that you caught it before something bad happened.
Thanks Who T for this important info. Very thankfull you are safe and glad to have you looking out for other shooters.
Thanks for watching
So glad you checked!! You might have had to stick your thumb in your neck!! Glad you’re safe!!
Glad you checked someone else's work before a serious accident occurred!👍
Well done top job, from Australia...
Most jacketed bullets are .429 or .430 for the 444 and 44 mag. If you ever want to try a cast bulet and get good accuracy you may need a bullet of .432 or even larger to work well. Your can adapter needs a hole about .002 or larger than bullet diameter to give clearance for the bullet. More wont hurt.
Good job! Whenever you are dealing with firearms it's always good to double check your equipment!...
Nice catch, and great explanation, that could have turned catastrophic sharing information like that serves us all, Thank You
You would’ve had to change your short pants if you had fired that with this adapter. Glad you checked.
Really glad you caught that , that could hv gotten dangerous!
Get it milled out to .435" bore on a precision lathe?
So glad you caught that. Also a good illustration that just because they call a bullet something doesn't mean that it is.
This was a good video, because you didn’t get hurt. Good information!
As others have stated the 444 is the same diameter as the 44magnum. In fact, there was a lot of issues that if you use the pistol bullets that they were too lightly constructed.
Buy the smallest thread adapter for that can and have a reputable smith cut and thread it for M18. Less chance of tolerance stacking and alignment issues than using an additional thread adapter…not to mention the Elmer Fudd potential.
Tolerance stacking? I think you missed an internet engineering class.
Good thing you checked out the adapter!
Great video. Information like this is priceless. You probably save lives by posting this. Stay safe and vigilant.
You've always got to be careful when swapping cans to new and different applications. I would be leery of using an adaptor, but would much rather see you get the properly threaded component for your suppressor. Even better would be to go to a good gunsmith or machine shop and have your barrel rethreaded to a more standard 5/8-24 or 11/16-24. Im glad you caught it when you did and that you made this video to help enlighten others to the potential hazard.
Rethreading the barrel is not likely an option. Would require removing too much material most likely.
Yup The 444 uses a .429 bullet same as the 44 Spl and Magnum
NO DONT USE A DRILL PRESS!! Threads need be concentric with bore unless its well oversized. Making it well oversized may make it too weak/ thin.
Because there is already a hole it will self center.
Glad you caught that. I guess you COULD drill it out if there's enough meat on the adaptor.
Good thing you measured it first!
Glad you checked. Not a lesson anyone would want to learn the hard way.
Good catch WTW! I’m glad you didn’t get caught up in the haste to try a new thing! 👍🏻
Good catch Who Tee Who. Good information to pass along. Thanks. 👍👍
Good observation, obviously something a guy should always check carefully before flinging bullets through the adapter, yikes.
That's why the 444 has the big thread... to leave enough metal. Any friend with a lathe could turn it out for you, but the wall would be pretty thin and could break if you subjected it to any large side forces.... If you had fired that rifle with the adapter on, it couldhave got "interesting. Keep safe buddy... 🙂
Glad you checked. Can you get an end cap in the right size like your others?
Greetings from Australia...good catch there mate - would have made a VERY lively session at the range!
It sure makes you wonder .happy birthday.great show thanks.
Very good spotto there mate, could of ended nasty, love ya work, cheers Yogi ✌️🤙
Ecco machine has m18 hub pattern direct thread adapters. I got one from them for 5/8-32 for my 450 and it is very nice.
I had a choice to either buy a 22 semi-automatic or a 50 cal single shot CVA and I chose the CBA and I remember many years ago I made a comment why don't you make some muzzleloading content and you actually ended up doing it a couple years later or I'm not sure of the dates but I love this channel and I love the people behind it 1:09
Appreciate you watching
Good man you saved your face and your new birthday present 👍🏻👍🏻
Glad you checked!
As mentioned 444 projectiles are .429 to .430. Have the adapter drilled to 1/2" you will be good to go. Minimum is .470"
Happy birthday buddy!
I'm sure you have a machine shop locally that could safely drill the adapter out to a safe clearance since those threads are ultimately supported by the can
Glad you checked that buddy
Nice catch! someone could get severely hurt...
Seemingly minor little thing could have been a major problem.
Glad you caught it.
Well ya answered your question as to why they didn't thread it 5/8-24. There isn't enough metal to thread it that small and it be safe. Those step down adapters are just a bad idea anyways..
Bro happy belated birthday!!!
So glad you checked this, seems manufacturer should have caveat. Great catch. Please be safe y'all
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It's not the manufacturer fault they made a adapter that was safe. Exactly why cva didn't thread the barrel 5/8-24 it wouldn't leave enough thickness and be safe!!
I am glad we did not see that can explosively enlarged.
yep....could have made for a bad day at the range!!!! safety first!!!!
Great catch, thank you
Excellent catch there! Woah😳
Good lesson to learn before actually learning it 👍
KABOOM! Good catch sir
Glad you caught that
Adam no no modifying to fit get the right one. Damn man glad ya checked 1st. 👍🏻🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲
Glad you didn't have a bad day with that.
You may be able to drill the adapter out to 15/32 or 1/2 inch.
Great lesson!
Good catch......😳
Not into suppressors, if you have good ear pro what advantage does a can offer? I only see cons.
$$$
I have a crap load of adapters for my Rugged suppressors. I'm awaiting my tri lug adapter which is backordered. Good thing is, I live less than 5 mi from there facility
Like a pup passing a peach seed.
Good thing you were paying attention!🇺🇲✝️🇺🇲
Revelation 1:8
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
That would have turned ugly fast!
Dam good thing you checked that that would have sucked
Good catch...that coulda been bad! 😎👍
Super cool catch. Gonna save somebody somewhere
Very glad to u had checked the DIA of the adapter and the bullet/444.
the barrel and rifling crushes bullet down smaller then caliber it says it is. not sure how smaller but paul harrel has a good thing on calibers
Do you like your CVA 35 whelen or your CVA 444 better for deer hunting?
I took a buffalo with my 35 in a video. Haven't hunted with the 444 yet. If you made me pick I'd pick 35
What's the 411 on .396 ? Catastrophic swage ! 👍🇺🇸