Argenti in #2 is craaaaazy. He's a niche character made to excel in a single gamemode, who still does exxceptionally well in said gamemode. Bro's a free 30k no matter what you do even in non physs weak PF's with no buffs he can abuse.
Yeah, but tbf, when compared to units like Rappa, or Firefly, which can do all 3, argenti can’t really compare… Units who can excel in all 3 current game modes, and have viability in the 2 SU are just better on a viability standpoint. The more broken, simplistic, and breadead a unit is, the more viable they are, b/c it’s less about their best, and more like the generalized potential. I feel ya man, my QQ out damaged my Acheron and firefly, but she can only be used against quantum, so she falls behind hard. We will have our moment one day.
@@heilamwether8911 The problem lies more on the game's ppwercreep. He can still clear all modes, just less effectively than the other newer units. Same goes for jingyuan, seele, blade, and any of the older DPS. As an older unit, argenti being able to score more points than newer units in PF is a big achievement. By the time 4.0 units come out though i suspect firefly, rappa, acheron, feixiao, etc. will be in the same position argenti is currently in rn. Newer gamemodes are being made to cater to newer characters and while older characters are still able to clear all modes, they won't be able to clear faster than newer units.
@@heilamwether8911 ok but he was literally made only for pure fiction, hes not supposed to be meta anywhere else. he was good on release and hes still good - in the mode hes intended for - meaning he didnt fall off hard, so he shouldnt be that high on the list. sure other characters can compete but they didnt push him out of the meta this is a “fall off” list not a “best character in the game” list, we all know theres better characters thats just not what all this is about right now
Yeah i dont understand how people's uninformed hype for him (even though i havent seen that during his release, basically no one carred about him) is the reason for no2. Bro works as intended and exels at it I wont let them tarnish my wife's name 😤
Yo the people that said Boothill fell off never actually played with him or just don't know how to play with him because I literally always manage to do 0-1 cycles in MoC an he slaps in Apoc Shadow.
Fr no RM/only HMC with Blade Lc on him for HP it's weakness broken but yeah I get consistentent 400k -500k Aven for shields and Jq for debuff ir sometimes it's someone else
People talk trash on Boothill just because of the sheer amount of stuff Firefly has in her kit. Everything from Superbreak, ATK->BE scaling, damage reduction, effect RES, self-healing, insane energy regen and AA outside of CC, easy Fire Weakness implants, and even more. Boothill doesn't have much outside of his forced taunt (which is pretty neat) and some pretty solid Crit Rate and Damage buffs (even though most of his damage is still Break damage). I don't even have Robocop but I still know he slaps.
Reminder that meta in HSR isn't for...clearing MoC 12, PF and APOC 4 Its clearing them at 0c, 80k, and 7.5k AV. Yes, that means that for the VAST majority of HSR players, you can simply ignore the meta. Please, do so. Have fun with the game as you please. As long as you build characters well, get the baseline team comps for the characters you like (Or any slightly weaker alternative), you can enjoy the jades very easily. If a character "falls off", that endgame is usually where they fall. (In which case the tryhards simply patch them up with support eidolons, or extremely burnt strategies that can be very cope). Its a single player game. Just cause some of us are masochistic enough to do the high-level nonsense for no reward doesn't mean you all should just copy what we do. Casuals do not need the optimizations from 2p Sprightly Vonwacqs.
If that's the case why do these goombas discount Seele? She's still one of the fastest characters clearing characters in the game and has been since launch even with powercreep. Their rankings don't match up wit what they're saying.
The funny thing about that "Mains" discussion. There is actually a sub reddit of people who main a character for EVERY character. Like there was a Rappa mains sub reddit before she even dropped. Even the 4 Stars have their own Mains sub reddit.
They've been doing this ever since genshin went live. Not all that surprising since a large portion of the playerbase are current/former genshin players.
Tbh, this has been around for years, personally go onto the QQ mains one, since tbh, whenever Jing yuan gets buffed, QQ usually gets buffed. (Currently, My QQ does more damage than my Acheron on ult, and in one move, can do over a million damage outside SU.) Sunday should Increase that damage even more ngl, and I’m just hoping for a day where we got more of a quantum-base meta, b/c when that happens, she will become a god.
i feel like standard banner 5* and 4* in general will never truly lose all their value because they're f2p. sure, they might not be as high in the tier list as before, but in the perspective of players that can't keep up with the meta due to being f2p, they'll always have value. i use gepard to this day, and as long as he keeps my characters alive, he has a great value to me
@@carneiro7237 sure, but when your 5-star sustain is doing worse job at sustaining than a 4-star it means they fell off hard. It's not like f2p players can't save up for better sustains, we get enough free jades to pull for half the characters that get released. The f2p argument is pure copium, just get better at planning your pulls
18:27 This is why direct buffs to old characters would be a great thing to add cause no one likes it when a character they like becomes damn near unusable (I'm a Seele main)
tbf the devs have done good indirect buffs via things like PF for erudition (when they had little use/strength in identity at the time) & we're seeing that jingyuan would highly benefit from sunday (topaz & lingsha to much lesser extents)
@@nilmerg but indirect buffs aren't enough unless they are hyper specific because if they aren't then the next newest character of the same archetype will just use that support
Luocha kinda got replaced by Gallagher and Lingsha, but he's still a good healer given how he enabled double DPS comps. His value was kinda stringent on Blade and Jingliu's value tho, as those were his best teammates. Also, people say Dr. Ratio fell off primarily because March 7th was a more versatile secondary attacker in double DPS comps, particularly when it came to support more recent units like Feixiao and Yunli. His role as a hypercarry was also hindered by the fact that single target was not a great attack type + Acheron functioning better with his same Nihility supports.
this is out of nowhere but please, don't listen to those overreacting comments about you're mains, you know your mains well, they good at what, they bad at what, just play the game man, it's just for fun after all I even play Arlan (?) sometimes man
there's already full vids of leaks with jing yuan and sunday in the same team on reddit...there's still no reason to use them over a follow up or break team unless you really like those 2 characters
The list is viable tho... None of the mention char is best in slot in any team... One or two char sometimes even three outshines them in any team...hence fallen off from meta...Or the team is shit like dot...
@Dead_af_ Look how I don't even talk about weather the list is right or wrong, and instead just point out how Box had a clear concept of his own top 10, changing it and proving his lack of an actual opinion. HSR players reading? Seems like never 🤓👆
@@JoshuaCentral I belive we haven't seen the same video, because here Box *never* defends his own arguments, neither does he try to explain why his previous though processes is now completly wrong based on someone elses opinion. It's not that deep, I was just commenting about his lack of opinion, nothing else.
He got a heavy buff in form of a new planar set and Sunday, so if you really want the best for your general pull for that bird boy and grind divergent universe
He’s getting revived with Sunday. Unironically this time, not just a small cope buff. Funnily, with him moving up and Acheron down, I wouldn’t be surprised to see jungyuan and Acheron on the same tier.
imo regarding Seele, I think the obvious reason why she really fell off was because usually the new meta can do FUA (eg. Feixiao + being the most obvious in The Hunt's units) & Multiple Targets (Break Effect)
IMO It's just because nothing is catered to her right now. Even with HP inflation, E2 Sparkle can help her (Seele's eidolons are pretty dogshit outside of pure fiction) and you can always give her a busted support unit. Her damage ceiling is pretty high. It's just the way things are right now don't benefit her. Like that dinosaur that takes negative damage until you break its weakness? atrocious enemy for Seele
@@ladyhdwastaken The problem is that she doesn't really have a playstyle, she's a generic dps in a game that caters to specific team archetypes. She's one of the most outdated characters in the game.
Not really, Seele fell off cuz she her floor stopped being great so casual players that dont know game mechanics arent able to just click E and get clears as easily. But, her celing qhen optimized and played properly is still second only to Feixiao and arguably Boothill.
@@sct77 She's not outdated at all. Her kit is the reason why she's still to this day one of the fastest clearers in HSR. You dudes just regurgitate what other CCs say. The performance doesn't lie
@@IAmGodHimself777 even if it’s E2 unless it’s IMG weak he’s still not very useful and worse Rappa is a thing and I believe even at E0 Rappa > E2 DHiL against IMG weak opponent.
@@sanytos sure if you gave him E2 he's fine but at E0 bro is struggling, as for PF characters like Himeko and Herta exist. Not trying to downplay him but even in the best situations there's better options so if you have him and use him that's fine if he works it works gg, it's just that people still refuse to believe the Gap between 1.0 and 2.0 isn't massive but if you look into it Acheron, FF and Feixiao at E0 can compete against and sometimes ou performs E2 DHIL that's just the way things go and with 3.0 on the way the same will happen for 2.0 characters.
"Everyone can clear moc 12 at this point" Is that so? Because I'm getting clapped by moc 11 just barely getting a 2 star. Not sure if it's a skill issue or account issue. I am saving for adventurine and the fuge/sunday banners. Don't have ruan mei/fu xuan or any of the broken break units that's probably the issue.
In the standard banner, himeko is still used in endgame and bronya is high level hyper carry. The rest have def fallen off. Blade and Jing Liu have similar play styles that warrant them requiring similar teams. Their kits need improvement which isn't gonna happen.
Fr, since while weakness implant is viable, most units don’t need/already are paired with their best support, so she wasn’t worth it for other units, especially since modern dps aren’t built like like multi tools. (besides Firefly) Now, if we get a quantum 5 star destruction, and it was QQ, I would be pulling like hotcakes, and Silverwolf would be broken AF.
Here's the thing, Sparkle is still great but she's perfect for crit teams and her only competition is Ruan Mei for break and dot and Robin for follow-up, you can still use her with Robin or Ruan Mei for hypercarry. Fu Xuan sadly has to fight with Adventurin but not only that she has to fight with a completely different path having Lingsha, Gallagher, and Huo Huo, when Adventurin replaces her in my mono quantum team you know your falling off.
@@KamelYellow that part is bais though if Robin's brother is better than her of course she'll fall off but she still has the usage to speed up characters turns with extra crit damage and 2 additional skill points and a burst that can give 4 more. If she works she still works for me.
@@jajathenewking6131 she has the same exact niche as him. He has a better action advance, a crit buff and a damage buff and he's also an SP generator. Literally just better Sparkle. All characters "work" in this game. Doesn't change the fact that some are just worse versions of other characters. And there's not a single team that wants both of them at the same time, Robin is better as the second support. Sparkle is getting replaced in her role, as I said
Laughing so hard when seeing Kafka in the number #3 fell off, because Kafka is my number one character to be used in auto material farming (with Black Swan, Ruan Mei, and Huo Huo ofc).
silverwolf is bad when you don't have a good team comp in the first place, but in acheron team comps, she can Excel at reducing enemy defense and adding weakness to enemies if your Acheron is at e0
pela is better cause she has higher debuff frequency, also aoe def down, jaiquio is better limited support so that fills two slot, she is useless pull value wise.
@@kingsimba9513JQ inters the chat… even without the S1 his buff is more impactful then SW in ST situations ( as long as the Res Pen isn’t needed I.E has 40%+ Lightning res ) however at S1 he’s better then her regardless of the situation, this also doesn’t account for the more stack he gives her on top of the damage boost.
@@DILUTED_0 well unless your pulling on a whim it’s not like you’ll not get the character even as a F2P yet alone a low sender you can guarantee a new character every other patch. And even if ya couldn’t get JQ then why pull for SW? not only is she worse but character like BH, FF, Acheron and Feixiao exist who could BF thier way through content regardless of weakness type. So there almost no reason to pull her in the current or foreseeable future.
@@srishtisharma3908 yeah but if you already have gepard by accident (I have e1 or e2 from losing 50/50s) why not run him? He puts up a great shield it’s nowhere near as accessible as Acenturine’s
@@dominickjadon TB can taunt enemies which is consider as a debuff and can give a small shield so allies can tank AOE attacks. So by using TB you can put 2 debuff for Acheron and the topaz lightcone is less RNG
@@caleclown8122 The issue is this basically requires FMC to skill every turn. This is on top of the shield being about eight times worse than Gepard's (and honestly, thats being generous). Gepard also has free aggro draw, making him a great choice for Trend of the Market.
Don't take it seriously, blade works he just needs a dedicated support which we haven't gotten yet. Once he gets one people will start going nuts over him again
honestly just pick up people you like to play. I loved argenti as a character and built a team around him and it is pretty darn good or being a character that ell o really hard
I think he's talking about Bai feng or something The 5th member of Cloud high Quintet He jumped at the opportunity to revive her when dan feng said he could do that but they messed up and now everyone of the quintet is messed up after her death except for Jingyuan he still cruising through life
I will take no Ratio slander. Ratio has been my main dps since his release. Shreds MoC and Apoc Shadow. I will admit I got e1S1 Ratio, but totally worth
Yeah let's get ready for unit that gonna advance that half-of-acheron-damage LL, so he gets up half a tier only cuz full investment Jing Yuan finally will be playable in similar fashion to Seele, just for him to be powercrept in 3.0 by death row of summon units 🤫
@@SenkestI mean it is a big buff however he still needs S1 with a S1 Sunday to honestly show Tier 1 performance in good situations and maybe 0.5 in the best possible match up. But then to be fair if you give any Tier 0.5 and up character an extra 2 cost they go up to tier 0+ So yes this is a massive buff but if you already have a Acheron then she is still better…
Blade was my first limited 5 star and literally used him for everything. Thanks to him I even cleared 3 star MOC 12, PF and AS, but is been getting harder and harder to use him as patchs came out... Still want to use him but Pulled Fexiao and ever since then... He is waiting in the bench now.
12:58 Quick summary of Luocha Whenever anyone gets low on HP he auto heals them and it goes on cooldown Whenever he heals anyone (via skill or auto), or when he ults, he gets a charge When he gets 2 charges, he makes a field that makes allies heal themselves when they hit enemies The reason he fell off is HuoHuo does his job better, Gallagher even without E6 does his job better, and even Lingsha Im pretty sure does his job better
This game is only barely a year and a half old but somehow it feels like double that time when people talk about characters falling off. Probably has to be with the constant stream of new 5 star characters.
Your wrong on a lot here. For example saying Jing yuan was worst than seele while missing the nuance of that being when seele was the best dps and would be for a while at that point. As well as dot teams being bad, they are probably the third or fourth best team type.
@@IDFC99not really the only reason shes good is because shes slightly easier to build, if you compare fully built dan vs jingliu, dan will certainly do more damage.
You were right box meta does not mean #1 meta means what units are still viable options in the hardest content if you dont have fei xiao then ratio is the second best option. Anyone saying Ratio fell off is smoking.
If anything, Yanqing has actually had a glow up, since he now has aventurine to let him keep his VERY IMPORTANT passive. He had Gepard before Aventurine, but Aventurine is so much better than Gepard because he does more to buff the team than Gepard. Providing Yanqing with more Crit Damage is really useful for his kit. Gepard offered him NOTHING. Same with March 7th. Also, they’re both ice preservation units so it worked better for a freeze focused team anyway. Fu Xuan can’t offer Yanqing shield so she didn’t work either. TLDR, aventurine gives him crit damage and a more reliable shield to protect him getting and KEEPING his passive which is vital for his DPS.
12:00 chat is wrong here, Ratio is meta. They defined meta wrong. Meta isn’t specific to one character. By that logic Rappa or Firely aren’t meta because only one of them can be “meta”. But in reality, they both are super break meta characters. In that same vein, Ratio is meta as well as Fei Xiao
ik we're all glazing superbreak but i feel like when summon based characters come out more often the meta will change AGAIN... also wtf is this tier list 😭 ratio is still in the best fua team bruh ok wait jing yuan????? mf gets buffed every patch so that he DOESN'T fall off 💀 he was just never that good. AND HE'S GETTING BUFFED AGAIN BY SUNDAY BRUH. this time he might actually be good because that's sunday's best combo and surely sunday won't be mid also, 21:05 she is but only in mono quantum
For the standard character banners I don't think Bronya fell off. She's a consistent member in my teams, though that's cause I just cycle through the same four DPS, technically five but I switch her out with Ruan Mei for Boothill. I DON'T THINK LUOCHA FELL OFF EITHER, HE'S MY MOST TRUSTED HEALER when I don't wanna use skill points to actually heal
If it's not break team, Luocha is my healer. To this day. He still does great, those heals then puts up that barrier...shoookio Also General got me 3200 pts in the new A.S.
I always laugh at people saying NO ONE IS USING ARGENTI. Shit I've been using bro for both Apoc and PF. He has his niche and he's elite at it. MoC is 1/3 end game modes
3:50 Honestly I would say less Fu Xuan and more Aventurine/HMC. Aventurine is just the best sustain period, and his release coupled with HMC’s release really just nullified any value PMC had at all
I don't care if this makes people mad Acheron fell off id rather use feixiao boothill Firefly heck Rappa too the fact that so many still try to defend her says alot about those simps
After seeing what they're doing with Sunday now I know all it will take is ONE strong Harmony character to bring DoT back, because holy shit Jing Yuan is so back. If they can do that for him they can do it for Kafka and DoT. Please, Hoyo.
Characters fell off ❌️
Investing in victory, means playing the long game ✔️
Bro fell off from his chair and got a brain injury
Argenti in #2 is craaaaazy. He's a niche character made to excel in a single gamemode, who still does exxceptionally well in said gamemode. Bro's a free 30k no matter what you do even in non physs weak PF's with no buffs he can abuse.
Yeah, but tbf, when compared to units like Rappa, or Firefly, which can do all 3, argenti can’t really compare…
Units who can excel in all 3 current game modes, and have viability in the 2 SU are just better on a viability standpoint.
The more broken, simplistic, and breadead a unit is, the more viable they are, b/c it’s less about their best, and more like the generalized potential.
I feel ya man, my QQ out damaged my Acheron and firefly, but she can only be used against quantum, so she falls behind hard.
We will have our moment one day.
@@heilamwether8911 The problem lies more on the game's ppwercreep. He can still clear all modes, just less effectively than the other newer units. Same goes for jingyuan, seele, blade, and any of the older DPS. As an older unit, argenti being able to score more points than newer units in PF is a big achievement.
By the time 4.0 units come out though i suspect firefly, rappa, acheron, feixiao, etc. will be in the same position argenti is currently in rn. Newer gamemodes are being made to cater to newer characters and while older characters are still able to clear all modes, they won't be able to clear faster than newer units.
@@heilamwether8911 f***fly is dogshit in PF lmao. Please stop using her there.
@@heilamwether8911 ok but he was literally made only for pure fiction, hes not supposed to be meta anywhere else. he was good on release and hes still good - in the mode hes intended for - meaning he didnt fall off hard, so he shouldnt be that high on the list. sure other characters can compete but they didnt push him out of the meta
this is a “fall off” list not a “best character in the game” list, we all know theres better characters thats just not what all this is about right now
Yeah i dont understand how people's uninformed hype for him (even though i havent seen that during his release, basically no one carred about him) is the reason for no2. Bro works as intended and exels at it
I wont let them tarnish my wife's name 😤
Yo the people that said Boothill fell off never actually played with him or just don't know how to play with him because I literally always manage to do 0-1 cycles in MoC an he slaps in Apoc Shadow.
Fr! I can still one cycle him with apsolut shit relics
Fr no RM/only HMC with Blade Lc on him for HP it's weakness broken but yeah I get consistentent 400k -500k
Aven for shields and Jq for debuff ir sometimes it's someone else
People talk trash on Boothill just because of the sheer amount of stuff Firefly has in her kit. Everything from Superbreak, ATK->BE scaling, damage reduction, effect RES, self-healing, insane energy regen and AA outside of CC, easy Fire Weakness implants, and even more. Boothill doesn't have much outside of his forced taunt (which is pretty neat) and some pretty solid Crit Rate and Damage buffs (even though most of his damage is still Break damage).
I don't even have Robocop but I still know he slaps.
@@yourmissright7 how does one benefit from a destruction lightcone.
@@claudiomaitano9661 I'm only using on BH for main stat 🥲 it doesn't do anything on him for that
“fu xuan fell off” im going crazy, the day enemies ignore shields theyre gonna crawl back up all over queen fu
FU XUAN HAVERS WILL RISE
insane cope
huo huo still out there
Fu Xuan on top
the day enemies ignore shields is gonna be the same day they ignore damage lmao that makes literally zero sense
Seeing Jing Yuan's placement after Sunday...
Damn. How the turns have tabled.
He's tier 1, almost tier 0.5 now in MoC and tier 0.5 in pure fiction
Dang the Jing Yuan Talk really didn't age well when Sunday Released 💀💀
Reminder that meta in HSR isn't for...clearing MoC 12, PF and APOC 4
Its clearing them at 0c, 80k, and 7.5k AV.
Yes, that means that for the VAST majority of HSR players, you can simply ignore the meta. Please, do so. Have fun with the game as you please. As long as you build characters well, get the baseline team comps for the characters you like (Or any slightly weaker alternative), you can enjoy the jades very easily. If a character "falls off", that endgame is usually where they fall. (In which case the tryhards simply patch them up with support eidolons, or extremely burnt strategies that can be very cope).
Its a single player game. Just cause some of us are masochistic enough to do the high-level nonsense for no reward doesn't mean you all should just copy what we do.
Casuals do not need the optimizations from 2p Sprightly Vonwacqs.
Its more like doing 0 cost, 80k/0 cycling pf, 7.5 AV under the cost system. Cuz every dps can 0c MoC,80k pf and 7.5av, but under different costs.
S5 DDD, 4p Wind set, insane spd tuning
For real, these CC are doomposting monthly about meta its ridiculous 😂
And the sheep just follow what they say.
I don't think this is about 0 cycling but just being good/bad in general
If that's the case why do these goombas discount Seele? She's still one of the fastest characters clearing characters in the game and has been since launch even with powercreep. Their rankings don't match up wit what they're saying.
0:55 my favourite hsr character, loufo
I perfer Penacony ngl
More of a Jarillo VI person honestly.
I like Herta space station more
I enjoy chair a bit more ngl.
I can't believe yall are ignoring Teyvat right now
The funny thing about that "Mains" discussion. There is actually a sub reddit of people who main a character for EVERY character. Like there was a Rappa mains sub reddit before she even dropped. Even the 4 Stars have their own Mains sub reddit.
They've been doing this ever since genshin went live. Not all that surprising since a large portion of the playerbase are current/former genshin players.
Tbh, this has been around for years, personally go onto the QQ mains one, since tbh, whenever Jing yuan gets buffed, QQ usually gets buffed. (Currently, My QQ does more damage than my Acheron on ult, and in one move, can do over a million damage outside SU.)
Sunday should Increase that damage even more ngl, and I’m just hoping for a day where we got more of a quantum-base meta, b/c when that happens, she will become a god.
Now the real question is who uses reddit🫠?
@@Ayush-kc2vxJust cus u dont use it doesn't mean no one does lmao
It’s weird cause for me I don’t have a “main” in this game. You use what you need to use
Let’s be real, Jing Yuan and Argenti are in SSS tier for the sexiest male characters in the game.
sexiest characters that fell off
@ but did they fall off on the sexiest characters list?
@@kbgman01 nah they still sexy as hell 😛🤪
Just wait till sunday arrives and jing yuan’s lightning lord(has the highest multipliers in the game btw) goes 2-3 times per cycle lmao
@@kbgman01yes ratio,aventurine and dan heng il are much hotter
i feel like standard banner 5* and 4* in general will never truly lose all their value because they're f2p. sure, they might not be as high in the tier list as before, but in the perspective of players that can't keep up with the meta due to being f2p, they'll always have value. i use gepard to this day, and as long as he keeps my characters alive, he has a great value to me
Gallagher is a much better sustain than Gepard, so that argument makes no sense
@starwars385 have you ever heard the saying “holy sh*t, two cakes”? i need 2 sustains to clear moc anyway
@@carneiro7237 sure, but when your 5-star sustain is doing worse job at sustaining than a 4-star it means they fell off hard. It's not like f2p players can't save up for better sustains, we get enough free jades to pull for half the characters that get released. The f2p argument is pure copium, just get better at planning your pulls
@starwars385 are you f2p?
@@carneiro7237 yes, I am. In all three main hoyo games. That never stopped me from building a proper roster in any of them
"jing yuan fell off" bro hes getting even better as time goes on, hes getting so many best in slot supports, including sunday in 2.7
"Boothill." BOOTHILL NEVER FELL OFF. HE'S STILL SO GREAT
This is literally why i dont care about powercreep, Whatever was considered "meta" will fall off. So i just use who i like.
18:27 This is why direct buffs to old characters would be a great thing to add cause no one likes it when a character they like becomes damn near unusable (I'm a Seele main)
tbf the devs have done good indirect buffs via things like PF for erudition (when they had little use/strength in identity at the time) & we're seeing that jingyuan would highly benefit from sunday (topaz & lingsha to much lesser extents)
so true (please a new support for blade im a blade main.)
As former seele main and blade main i honestly feels this bro
@@nilmerg but indirect buffs aren't enough unless they are hyper specific because if they aren't then the next newest character of the same archetype will just use that support
Luocha kinda got replaced by Gallagher and Lingsha, but he's still a good healer given how he enabled double DPS comps. His value was kinda stringent on Blade and Jingliu's value tho, as those were his best teammates.
Also, people say Dr. Ratio fell off primarily because March 7th was a more versatile secondary attacker in double DPS comps, particularly when it came to support more recent units like Feixiao and Yunli. His role as a hypercarry was also hindered by the fact that single target was not a great attack type + Acheron functioning better with his same Nihility supports.
this is out of nowhere
but please, don't listen to those overreacting comments about you're mains, you know your mains well, they good at what, they bad at what, just play the game man, it's just for fun after all
I even play Arlan (?) sometimes man
You will be on your goddamn knees apologising bout the jing yuan take the second sunday releases
He still won’t be usable.
there's already full vids of leaks with jing yuan and sunday in the same team on reddit...there's still no reason to use them over a follow up or break team unless you really like those 2 characters
the moment a new summon DPS releases he goes back to the bench
@@LucasGomes-ng2goLingsha is already a better summon dps than him💀
@@TheDay1Haterpfp checks out
Ain't no way that Box is glazing this guy's list, even changing his own opinions. He really had negative will power 💀
The list is viable tho... None of the mention char is best in slot in any team... One or two char sometimes even three outshines them in any team...hence fallen off from meta...Or the team is shit like dot...
@Dead_af_ Look how I don't even talk about weather the list is right or wrong, and instead just point out how Box had a clear concept of his own top 10, changing it and proving his lack of an actual opinion. HSR players reading? Seems like never 🤓👆
Sometimes people get convinced by an argument instead of revolting like a child because their ego got hurt.
@@FichaGrispeople can be persuade, that’s why there are discussions and arguments in the world…
@@JoshuaCentral I belive we haven't seen the same video, because here Box *never* defends his own arguments, neither does he try to explain why his previous though processes is now completly wrong based on someone elses opinion.
It's not that deep, I was just commenting about his lack of opinion, nothing else.
It's sad how Hoyo games refuses to buff old units, you gotta pray that they release something or someone to make them better or even playable.
Luocha is legit the single unit keeping everyone alive on my account lol
that just means you have no other limited sustains (or didn't build them properly). Luocha is a borderline standard character nowadays
@ and that is correct, I have no other limited sustains lol
Except lingsha is better in every fcking way
dawg i gotta start pulling for sustains, i’m still out here using natasha 😂
The character that fell off the hardest is whoever did the audio mixing on Gachasmack’s video jfc
22:28 The only reason toxic seele main is less unheard of is because midyuan mains cries way much louder
18:55 sunday- you sure about that
I live(cope) and die(seethe) for Jing Yuan; been using him since 1.0 and I don't care
He got a heavy buff in form of a new planar set and Sunday, so if you really want the best for your general pull for that bird boy and grind divergent universe
He’s getting revived with Sunday. Unironically this time, not just a small cope buff. Funnily, with him moving up and Acheron down, I wouldn’t be surprised to see jungyuan and Acheron on the same tier.
Sunday saved him 🛐.
We wait for jesus
SAMEEEE and I'm actually pulling Sunday for him even if I don't like the guy lmao! Sparkle will be benched when the wing man comes out! XD
imo regarding Seele, I think the obvious reason why she really fell off was because usually the new meta can do FUA (eg. Feixiao + being the most obvious in The Hunt's units) & Multiple Targets (Break Effect)
IMO It's just because nothing is catered to her right now. Even with HP inflation, E2 Sparkle can help her (Seele's eidolons are pretty dogshit outside of pure fiction) and you can always give her a busted support unit. Her damage ceiling is pretty high. It's just the way things are right now don't benefit her. Like that dinosaur that takes negative damage until you break its weakness? atrocious enemy for Seele
@@ladyhdwastaken The problem is that she doesn't really have a playstyle, she's a generic dps in a game that caters to specific team archetypes. She's one of the most outdated characters in the game.
Not really, Seele fell off cuz she her floor stopped being great so casual players that dont know game mechanics arent able to just click E and get clears as easily. But, her celing qhen optimized and played properly is still second only to Feixiao and arguably Boothill.
@@sct77 She's not outdated at all. Her kit is the reason why she's still to this day one of the fastest clearers in HSR.
You dudes just regurgitate what other CCs say. The performance doesn't lie
She feels off cuz the enemy we have right now aren't good match for her that's all
Bro said my GOAT Dan Heng fell off 🫠
Former DHIL main here… sorry; he did. Unless it’s E2.
@@IAmGodHimself777 even if it’s E2 unless it’s IMG weak he’s still not very useful and worse Rappa is a thing and I believe even at E0 Rappa > E2 DHiL against IMG weak opponent.
@@The_CodFish69for a 1.3 char he is really strong tho, he clutchs all the time at PF and he's pretty good against everything
@@sanytos sure if you gave him E2 he's fine but at E0 bro is struggling, as for PF characters like Himeko and Herta exist.
Not trying to downplay him but even in the best situations there's better options so if you have him and use him that's fine if he works it works gg, it's just that people still refuse to believe the Gap between 1.0 and 2.0 isn't massive but if you look into it Acheron, FF and Feixiao at E0 can compete against and sometimes ou performs E2 DHIL that's just the way things go and with 3.0 on the way the same will happen for 2.0 characters.
@@The_CodFish69 DHIL doesn’t need to be against an IMG weak opponent.
"Everyone can clear moc 12 at this point"
Is that so? Because I'm getting clapped by moc 11 just barely getting a 2 star. Not sure if it's a skill issue or account issue. I am saving for adventurine and the fuge/sunday banners. Don't have ruan mei/fu xuan or any of the broken break units that's probably the issue.
Me too bro me too
😂🫵
Eeeeeek but who cares about mEtA 🤓🤓🤡
In the standard banner, himeko is still used in endgame and bronya is high level hyper carry. The rest have def fallen off. Blade and Jing Liu have similar play styles that warrant them requiring similar teams. Their kits need improvement which isn't gonna happen.
Silverwolf is still my mainstay, but I doubt it's fair when I invested so much into her AND the Acheron I've got to pair together.
Fr, since while weakness implant is viable, most units don’t need/already are paired with their best support, so she wasn’t worth it for other units, especially since modern dps aren’t built like like multi tools. (besides Firefly)
Now, if we get a quantum 5 star destruction, and it was QQ, I would be pulling like hotcakes, and Silverwolf would be broken AF.
yeah lmao silverwolf is so good for any single target team
Here's the thing, Sparkle is still great but she's perfect for crit teams and her only competition is Ruan Mei for break and dot and Robin for follow-up, you can still use her with Robin or Ruan Mei for hypercarry. Fu Xuan sadly has to fight with Adventurin but not only that she has to fight with a completely different path having Lingsha, Gallagher, and Huo Huo, when Adventurin replaces her in my mono quantum team you know your falling off.
Sparkle gets completely replaced by Sunday next patch. He's just straight up better
@starwars385 maybe if I can actually get him. But if not Sparkle all the way.
@@jajathenewking6131 that's what we call bias. A character's strength doesn't depend on whether you own them or not
@@KamelYellow that part is bais though if Robin's brother is better than her of course she'll fall off but she still has the usage to speed up characters turns with extra crit damage and 2 additional skill points and a burst that can give 4 more.
If she works she still works for me.
@@jajathenewking6131 she has the same exact niche as him. He has a better action advance, a crit buff and a damage buff and he's also an SP generator. Literally just better Sparkle. All characters "work" in this game. Doesn't change the fact that some are just worse versions of other characters. And there's not a single team that wants both of them at the same time, Robin is better as the second support. Sparkle is getting replaced in her role, as I said
Laughing so hard when seeing Kafka in the number #3 fell off, because Kafka is my number one character to be used in auto material farming (with Black Swan, Ruan Mei, and Huo Huo ofc).
blud really thinks calyx farming is an indication of a character's power
Its crazy how even box2 made a better list than smack bruh lmaoo
Ain’t no way bro said Argenti fell off💀
Tbf he didn't
Don't remember Argenti ever being on at all
argenti was never meant to be an allrounder in the meta, dude was made for PF just like Jade
Smack also put him on his top ten slept on characters lists so idek lol
yeah that's bollocks lol
26:37 "Oh I think everyone can clear MoC 12" - Bricked2
Blade is my only 5 * i got double in 1 multi and got his lc in 1 multi . So he is still close to my heart !
Never let this dude cook 💀
Fr🙏
"moc 7 destroyed me" never forget
I used argenti to clear the story aventurine boss before it got nerfed 😭
silverwolf is bad when you don't have a good team comp in the first place, but in acheron team comps, she can Excel at reducing enemy defense and adding weakness to enemies if your Acheron is at e0
Yep. Acheron struggles the most against chunky ST enemies (Argenti boss, Aventurine, Hoolay etc.) and SW is still the best ST debuffer in the game.
pela is better cause she has higher debuff frequency, also aoe def down, jaiquio is better limited support so that fills two slot, she is useless pull value wise.
@@kingsimba9513JQ inters the chat… even without the S1 his buff is more impactful then SW in ST situations ( as long as the Res Pen isn’t needed I.E has 40%+ Lightning res ) however at S1 he’s better then her regardless of the situation, this also doesn’t account for the more stack he gives her on top of the damage boost.
I know funny blind foxian is better than silverwolf but she's a pretty good alternative incase you failed 50/50 in his banner but have sw instead
@@DILUTED_0 well unless your pulling on a whim it’s not like you’ll not get the character even as a F2P yet alone a low sender you can guarantee a new character every other patch.
And even if ya couldn’t get JQ then why pull for SW? not only is she worse but character like BH, FF, Acheron and Feixiao exist who could BF thier way through content regardless of weakness type.
So there almost no reason to pull her in the current or foreseeable future.
The only reason (imo) DOT fell off is literally the introduction of superbreak and the amount of break and follow up units we’ve been given.
Yup. DoT hasn't had any support in almost a full world patch. Black Swan was 2.0.
And? Why using dot when break exists?
Gepard still has a use if aventurine is in the fua team and Acheron team needs a preservatiion (topaz lc fire debuff -> gallaghar)
Fire mc gets the job done
@@srishtisharma3908 yeah but if you already have gepard by accident (I have e1 or e2 from losing 50/50s) why not run him? He puts up a great shield it’s nowhere near as accessible as Acenturine’s
Gallagher is better if you play her with Jiaoqiu as you should because trend overlaps with him. And even then, Fu Xuan is better than Gepard.
@@dominickjadon TB can taunt enemies which is consider as a debuff and can give a small shield so allies can tank AOE attacks. So by using TB you can put 2 debuff for Acheron and the topaz lightcone is less RNG
@@caleclown8122 The issue is this basically requires FMC to skill every turn. This is on top of the shield being about eight times worse than Gepard's (and honestly, thats being generous). Gepard also has free aggro draw, making him a great choice for Trend of the Market.
Its said to this day our streamer STILL spells loucha as loufu
As a blade simp i died watching this
Don't take it seriously, blade works he just needs a dedicated support which we haven't gotten yet. Once he gets one people will start going nuts over him again
@@wargodestDelusion.
@@IAmGodHimself777 I'm just optimistic 🤙 blades fun to play I hope he gets a support
@@IAmGodHimself777 Don't be a buzz kill
@@wargodesthe Will be at max a worst jingliu
18:19 aged like fine milk
Broski the type of person to say "ACTUALLY ACHERON IS BETTER EVEN DMG WISE🤓🤓☝️☝️" when ur talkin about ur fav character
no way he’ll bring up topics related to the conversation when talking about the in game strength of characters?! isn’t that crazy!?
34:05 Gacha smacked box2 so hard with that line 😂
honestly just pick up people you like to play. I loved argenti as a character and built a team around him and it is pretty darn good or being a character that ell o really hard
bit sad how your list of fell off is just all old unit, just go to show how bad powercreep in this game is
I think he's talking about Bai feng or something
The 5th member of Cloud high Quintet
He jumped at the opportunity to revive her when dan feng said he could do that but they messed up and now everyone of the quintet is messed up after her death except for Jingyuan he still cruising through life
I will take no Ratio slander. Ratio has been my main dps since his release. Shreds MoC and Apoc Shadow. I will admit I got e1S1 Ratio, but totally worth
In 2 months, be ready JY mains 🤫
Yeah let's get ready for unit that gonna advance that half-of-acheron-damage LL, so he gets up half a tier only cuz full investment Jing Yuan finally will be playable in similar fashion to Seele, just for him to be powercrept in 3.0 by death row of summon units 🤫
@AlcatrazGoat come on, let them have a win lol
@@SenkestI mean it is a big buff however he still needs S1 with a S1 Sunday to honestly show Tier 1 performance in good situations and maybe 0.5 in the best possible match up.
But then to be fair if you give any Tier 0.5 and up character an extra 2 cost they go up to tier 0+
So yes this is a massive buff but if you already have a Acheron then she is still better…
Be ready for depression.
The 3.0 dps is going to be lightning, Jing Yuan will only be decent for 5 seconds lmao.
dude tries to make his own " fell off " list and realizes he knows nothing.
Blade was my first limited 5 star and literally used him for everything. Thanks to him I even cleared 3 star MOC 12, PF and AS, but is been getting harder and harder to use him as patchs came out... Still want to use him but Pulled Fexiao and ever since then... He is waiting in the bench now.
Bricked2 Try Mr Pokke's 0 cycle Apoc Shadow challenge
me watching this after sunday is out - LMFAO jing yuan top 10 best characters of 2.7 with sunday out THINNK AGAIN BUDDY
King Yuan
As someone who started playing Honkai: Star Rail later than other players, I feel like I played at the correct time by only getting the new characters
12:58 Quick summary of Luocha
Whenever anyone gets low on HP he auto heals them and it goes on cooldown
Whenever he heals anyone (via skill or auto), or when he ults, he gets a charge
When he gets 2 charges, he makes a field that makes allies heal themselves when they hit enemies
The reason he fell off is HuoHuo does his job better, Gallagher even without E6 does his job better, and even Lingsha Im pretty sure does his job better
All that new players need to know is that if a character is not break oriented or ultimate dmg oriented, they prolly fell off
Blade was my first limited during his rerun now he just collecting dust. at this point make YingXing Playable ffs 😭😭
Playable Yingxing once we come back to the Luofu near the end of 3.X🙏 He WILL break the meta
@Destined2BeKing I hope 👏
yingxing fire harmony playable in 4.3 🤫🤫 trust
And here I am, being a Jingyuan - Argenti - Blade main 💀.
Stellaron hunters? More like forgotten hunters
No way you said gepard fell off and started ranting while i was looking at mine on a dif screen
i lost every 50/50 to new sustains so luocha has been my only healer since his release 😦
Goddaiumn
Ainnt luocha heal base on his attack , how he fell off.😮
This game is only barely a year and a half old but somehow it feels like double that time when people talk about characters falling off. Probably has to be with the constant stream of new 5 star characters.
Your wrong on a lot here. For example saying Jing yuan was worst than seele while missing the nuance of that being when seele was the best dps and would be for a while at that point. As well as dot teams being bad, they are probably the third or fourth best team type.
if argenti fell off then i’m diving after him
The jing yuan section aged like milk now that sunday exists
Some chat said Acheron, bro drunk
My bro DHIL was ALWAYS better than Jingliu
Unfortunately no
Just after sparkle but before she's stronger . husbando simp as usual
@@IDFC99not really the only reason shes good is because shes slightly easier to build, if you compare fully built dan vs jingliu, dan will certainly do more damage.
Who cares both are outdated trash
The newest set is so good for Sparkle, even though she never really fell off 😼
“He needs his wife” brother said dan feng 😭😭😭
dan feng ice erudition coming in version 4.0 source: uncle M 🤫🤫🤫🤫
The tough sell about argenti is that herta 4 star is often a better choice because she has a follow up attack 😂
You were right box meta does not mean #1 meta means what units are still viable options in the hardest content if you dont have fei xiao then ratio is the second best option. Anyone saying Ratio fell off is smoking.
1:07 no, it's listed alphabetically
What kinda awful audio mixing is wrong with the og video with the music constantly spiking. Ewww
If anything, Yanqing has actually had a glow up, since he now has aventurine to let him keep his VERY IMPORTANT passive. He had Gepard before Aventurine, but Aventurine is so much better than Gepard because he does more to buff the team than Gepard. Providing Yanqing with more Crit Damage is really useful for his kit. Gepard offered him NOTHING. Same with March 7th. Also, they’re both ice preservation units so it worked better for a freeze focused team anyway. Fu Xuan can’t offer Yanqing shield so she didn’t work either.
TLDR, aventurine gives him crit damage and a more reliable shield to protect him getting and KEEPING his passive which is vital for his DPS.
Box2's first list made more sense than Smack's list lmao!
12:00 chat is wrong here, Ratio is meta. They defined meta wrong. Meta isn’t specific to one character. By that logic Rappa or Firely aren’t meta because only one of them can be “meta”. But in reality, they both are super break meta characters. In that same vein, Ratio is meta as well as Fei Xiao
actually sw is really great with bh while facing a boss with no ice weakness, like Hoolay. He can just 1 shot each of his phases
i fr need a dot buff in my life... give me a dot healer and my life is your hsr
ik we're all glazing superbreak but i feel like when summon based characters come out more often the meta will change AGAIN...
also wtf is this tier list 😭 ratio is still in the best fua team bruh
ok wait jing yuan????? mf gets buffed every patch so that he DOESN'T fall off 💀 he was just never that good. AND HE'S GETTING BUFFED AGAIN BY SUNDAY BRUH. this time he might actually be good because that's sunday's best combo and surely sunday won't be mid
also, 21:05 she is but only in mono quantum
For the standard character banners I don't think Bronya fell off. She's a consistent member in my teams, though that's cause I just cycle through the same four DPS, technically five but I switch her out with Ruan Mei for Boothill. I DON'T THINK LUOCHA FELL OFF EITHER, HE'S MY MOST TRUSTED HEALER when I don't wanna use skill points to actually heal
18:35 I wonder if box would say that again after trying JY with Sunday :lul:
man i just came back this week and all my characters are terrible
Sparkle is basically just Bronya but forgotten so it kind of makes sense ig
the argenti slander is so forced
Seeing this after mydei announcement is frying me 😂
I still use my Kafka BS team to this day that team is so fun
Bro is NOT talkin shi bout argenti while lookin like that🙏
Haha 😂
If it's not break team, Luocha is my healer. To this day. He still does great, those heals then puts up that barrier...shoookio
Also General got me 3200 pts in the new A.S.
I always laugh at people saying NO ONE IS USING ARGENTI. Shit I've been using bro for both Apoc and PF. He has his niche and he's elite at it. MoC is 1/3 end game modes
Jing yuan refuses to die bro
Argenti will never fall off(as an argenti main) trust👏👏👏👏👏😭😭😭😭
Nvm…. But I don’t get why cuz I use him in every game mode and he clears it fast as well so I don’t really get how he fell off….
Beloved beauty ❤❤
3:50 Honestly I would say less Fu Xuan and more Aventurine/HMC. Aventurine is just the best sustain period, and his release coupled with HMC’s release really just nullified any value PMC had at all
The “I use yunli “ help 😂😂😂😂
I don't care if this makes people mad Acheron fell off id rather use feixiao boothill Firefly heck Rappa too the fact that so many still try to defend her says alot about those simps
I’m so deep into Jing Yuan and I find out today that everyone’s dogging on him😭
After seeing what they're doing with Sunday now I know all it will take is ONE strong Harmony character to bring DoT back, because holy shit Jing Yuan is so back. If they can do that for him they can do it for Kafka and DoT. Please, Hoyo.
As a Gepard main, I am offended greatly by your claims of him being useless >:( I will stand my ground!