Thing is, you can't. It's incomparably easier to get to Viper's APM than to get to Viper's level of decision making. You can get really fast in a year but getting the game knowledge requires you play and review an insane amount of games.
@@termint2113as much as this is true, learning better decision making makes for a much stronger base than just fast APM. Although developing both is ideal.
Those are usually one-trick ponies. They will get far with that. But at some point when they first encounter people that can deal with their strategy and know what to do, they will completely fail. When I first learned how to deal with fast imp Turks I never had problems again. Most will just succumb to siege push.
@@teliph3U Thats not my point. I played a lot of AOE2 HD back then, not so much since DE come out. You we're free win if I played vs you. In fact you were so bad I did not even want to play vs 1400-1500 rated cause its smurfing. Granted I think most of the better ppl did not play AOE2 HD and still played on voobly. ...And im not good at AOE2 HD. I can play okay, but Id loose any against any better players always.
to be fair, completely memorizing how to fast imp by following a spreadsheet plus playing 3000+ ranked games and still being stuck at 1300 is nothing to be bragged about. it implies they are trying to get better, but can't. they do not have enough planning or decision making to even be considered as good. the old 1300 players you are stating were far more creative and better. outmetaing the opponent wasn't even a thing, especially at 1300 elo. it was a "play anything" territory.
@@wemijei After about 350 team games I am at 1050 elo, so I am still a terrible player. But I did this while playing fully random and never using a fixed build order. I think it is important to get a general intuition of the game. At the same time, I see people that have thousands of games that are still failing against the most basic strategies. Or arriving at imp as pocket with 0 units while the enemy pocket basically swarms us.
@@wemijei Mate back in 2014-2015 1300 rated players didnt even know what hotkeys were and did 22 mins fueldal age. I know this because thats when I played the most. People have gotten waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better now a days. Granted I still think the good ppl just didnt use aoe2 hd and played on voobly. I would prolly also only be 1300 rated by the looks of it then. I did hit 1850 or so my max in aoe2 hd but that would prolly max had been 1600 on voobly i think.
i love how we can see the sheer hate and disappointment on your face when you lost that gate and couldn't even try quickwalling simply because you had to actions left :D
@@bsn_cs People clicking a video and immediately scrolling down to the comments where spoilers will undoubtedly be so they can yell "SPOILER!!!!" is something that I'll never understand
Very impressive what you can do with so little. I also agree that 2k is probably unachievable though. I'm 1800 and I would be confident at being able to beat limited viper, mostly because of the inability to macro well :)
Although you won and it was very impressive and entertaining, it was extremely frustrating to watch. Is there a way to slightly adjust the rules that change what’s considered to be an action?
I think it would be more enjoyable if it only limited eAPM. It's a bit frustrating to see all the actions disappear even if he hasn't done much of anything.
Not to demerit vipers win or anything, but the oponent also made a bit of a missplay here. This strat must aim for military production buildings first, not the TC
ofc he misplayed. this is extremely low elo where people memorize some spreadsheets like viper memes about. no real strat or gameplan exists here. he was so focused on microing 2 bombard cannons to the point where he probably forgot to queue up enough military or manage vills or prepare any kind of tech switch
I love your content Viper, but honestly, constantly referring to opponents as "he" has me fed up. Im not TRYING to be pc, but it just rubs me the wrong way. 2 cents
Statistically, based on polls in various aoe2 websites, over 99% of the people playing ranked are male, so there's a very good chance his opponent is male.
Insane. That means I can go up so much ELO without the fast APM and just good decision making.
Thing is, you can't. It's incomparably easier to get to Viper's APM than to get to Viper's level of decision making. You can get really fast in a year but getting the game knowledge requires you play and review an insane amount of games.
@@termint2113 that's definitely true. He just knows exactly what to do in every situation
@@termint2113as much as this is true, learning better decision making makes for a much stronger base than just fast APM. Although developing both is ideal.
@@kirtanamrita2302 Never listen to these naysayers. You definitely can do it!
You’re right, for us mid ELO, panicking and poor decisions under pressure is an area of opportunity, not godly micro.
Finally more limitedviper. Waited weeks for this
Man, you make it look easier, i thinked i could beat limited viper but then i remember im stuck at 1100 elo
If the handicap become too significant I think you could reasonably keep the spirit of the challenge at 100 APM.
this series actually really helps me to not stress out so much with my own gameplay
Limited viper is so fun to watch.
"Wait, I still have the monk!" XD
bro ppl to good these days...Back in AOE2 HD 1300 rated ppl were clickers with no hotkeys, now they doing 21 imperial age...
Those are usually one-trick ponies. They will get far with that. But at some point when they first encounter people that can deal with their strategy and know what to do, they will completely fail. When I first learned how to deal with fast imp Turks I never had problems again. Most will just succumb to siege push.
@@teliph3U Thats not my point. I played a lot of AOE2 HD back then, not so much since DE come out. You we're free win if I played vs you. In fact you were so bad I did not even want to play vs 1400-1500 rated cause its smurfing. Granted I think most of the better ppl did not play AOE2 HD and still played on voobly.
...And im not good at AOE2 HD. I can play okay, but Id loose any against any better players always.
to be fair, completely memorizing how to fast imp by following a spreadsheet plus playing 3000+ ranked games and still being stuck at 1300 is nothing to be bragged about. it implies they are trying to get better, but can't. they do not have enough planning or decision making to even be considered as good.
the old 1300 players you are stating were far more creative and better. outmetaing the opponent wasn't even a thing, especially at 1300 elo. it was a "play anything" territory.
@@wemijei After about 350 team games I am at 1050 elo, so I am still a terrible player. But I did this while playing fully random and never using a fixed build order. I think it is important to get a general intuition of the game.
At the same time, I see people that have thousands of games that are still failing against the most basic strategies. Or arriving at imp as pocket with 0 units while the enemy pocket basically swarms us.
@@wemijei Mate back in 2014-2015 1300 rated players didnt even know what hotkeys were and did 22 mins fueldal age. I know this because thats when I played the most. People have gotten waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better now a days. Granted I still think the good ppl just didnt use aoe2 hd and played on voobly. I would prolly also only be 1300 rated by the looks of it then. I did hit 1850 or so my max in aoe2 hd but that would prolly max had been 1600 on voobly i think.
Need more
Wrong vod link?
14:04 that's what they do all games.
Auto Farm Placement will be OP for limited Viper 11
Doesn't he have to click still for each farm placed so doesn't help him in this situation?
Love the series! where can I see the full matches?
He always has the date of the stream on the top slightly left to the civ symbol / tech tree so you can rewatch the stream on twitch
@@Schulzenberger thanks mate
How about he is allowed + 5 apm per 100 elo
so this is the Dautsimulator?
Love limited viper! 🙂
i love how we can see the sheer hate and disappointment on your face when you lost that gate and couldn't even try quickwalling simply because you had to actions left :D
how about limited viper being forbidden to enter imperial age_??
I'm waiting for am LimitedViper vs ControllerPlayer game! :D
You winning this game is really impressive btw
SPOILER!!!!
@@anewftw3354 you're right my bad. Should I delete comment or no ?
@@bsn_cs it's no longer at the top so it's fine.
@@bsn_cs People clicking a video and immediately scrolling down to the comments where spoilers will undoubtedly be so they can yell "SPOILER!!!!" is something that I'll never understand
Limited viper is the best
LimitedViper gives me hope that I can go above 1000 ELO :D with my average 24 eAPM I am around 870 now.
why if he had 60 limited apm at the end in the apm statistics show that he have a maximum of 20??
Because that graph shows eAPM (Effective APM) which is how many effective actions that affect the game you are doing, not each individual click
It's why I don't play arena
Wp snake wp!
Still I think it’s gonna be so hard to win against 15-16++ with this limit APM…. Time will tell
Mr slow made it to 2k, what's so different
@@johncohnor9655 Didn't Mr.Slow take into account eapm? 10 apm is way worse to play than 15 eapm.
castles are the better houses :D
yea clown maps are prob the best ones for limitedviper
Very impressive what you can do with so little. I also agree that 2k is probably unachievable though. I'm 1800 and I would be confident at being able to beat limited viper, mostly because of the inability to macro well :)
He won't get above 1600
No views in no minutes... washed
Same joke over and over.. so funny 😒
@@Dawoud_Shirina que se refiere? No entendí
@@facu2702 es q vemos el mismo chiste una y otra vez y ya dejó de dar risa
En casi todos los últimos videos hay un comentario así
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Did viper play it on a stream? I want to snipe him since we now have the same elo 11
Booo, no one likes a stream sniper.
Although you won and it was very impressive and entertaining, it was extremely frustrating to watch. Is there a way to slightly adjust the rules that change what’s considered to be an action?
I think it would be more enjoyable if it only limited eAPM. It's a bit frustrating to see all the actions disappear even if he hasn't done much of anything.
Not to demerit vipers win or anything, but the oponent also made a bit of a missplay here. This strat must aim for military production buildings first, not the TC
That's why he's 1300 ELO
ofc he misplayed. this is extremely low elo where people memorize some spreadsheets like viper memes about. no real strat or gameplan exists here. he was so focused on microing 2 bombard cannons to the point where he probably forgot to queue up enough military or manage vills or prepare any kind of tech switch
Honestly the one thing that surprised me is that Viper build his production forward, since I know he knows that's risky
@@slungellife that was probably to save clics on bringing units to fight
zooming in way too much, so annoying
This is smurfing Viper ! , this must be banned !
Severely handicapped Viper so not smurf
I love your content Viper, but honestly, constantly referring to opponents as "he" has me fed up. Im not TRYING to be pc, but it just rubs me the wrong way. 2 cents
99% the opponent is a he..
Statistically, based on polls in various aoe2 websites, over 99% of the people playing ranked are male, so there's a very good chance his opponent is male.
You know what sounds weird? Calling one person "they" the whole time.
Didnt know the pc director from south park watches aoe2
They have male names