How Do Fighter Pilots Train For Emergencies?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ย. 2024
- Discussing UPT Standup, Emergency Procedures Evaluations, Boldface, and also how training for emergencies in fighters is similar to training for emergencies in the airline industry.
Mondays with Mover - Episode 42
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I was one of the Fire/Rescue guys and I was always impressed with how well pilots were trained to handle emergencies - you guys are the best
The memory capacity you have to fly all of these different types of aircraft is astounding. I really enjoy listening to your videos, they're so detail oriented. It really does take a lot to be a fighter pilot or a airline pilot. It's great explaining the differences between operation between the two. Thank you for all you do and all that you have done. Such a fantastic life you have had, and it's because of your desire to acomplish all and everything you wanted to do.
I remember a Growler pilot telling me “If you ever find yourself in a shitty situation and you can’t fly in a fighter, fly Martin baker”. Amazing video as always.
Carter Lulay what’s that
@@collinallison283 The ejection seats are made by the Martin Baker company.
I work as a navigation officer for a cruise line, we have very similar procedures when we have issues such as rudder failure, Control of ship, Safety of navigation, Communicate. Very similar principles except we travel at 22 knots not 1000 haha
look out for icebergs
True enough, but you are handling a LOT more mass even with relative speeds computed! An aluminium and composite 30-ton fighter can make a good sized hole in the ground. You are riding anywhere from 3,000 to 135,000 tons of steel PLUS cargo and can make a MUCH bigger hole in any of a number of things, docks, wharves and other ships spring to mind, for starters.
Levels of responsibility and all. Fair winds and the sea at your back, matey!
So can you take your time to go thru the procedures? Like 50x slower?
Not all fighters are rated MACH 2
Great video as usual Mover. Your incident with the landing gear reminded me of an incident we had many years ago. As the full time Electric/Environmental shop chief in the Mass Air Guard for 31 years, we had some interesting calls, one of which was hard to believe and one we had never seen before. I was called to maintenance control to talk to one of our pilots who was having issues with his F-106 landing gear and declared an IFE (in-flight-emergency). He told me when he was on final and lowered the landing gear handle, the nose gear went down and locked ok, but the mains would go half way down, then back up, then back down, then back up......WITH THE GEAR HANDLE STILL IN THE DOWN POSITION!! His wing man joined up and verified it and said it looked like a bird flapping it's wings! I advised him to raise the handle and see if all three would go up and locked and stay there which they did. The "Six" had an emergency system for the landing gear that if they wouldn't go down and locked hydraulically, you could "Blow" them down pneumatically. Fortunately this worked and he landed safely. After towing the aircraft into the hangar, jacking it up, applying the hydraulic "Mule", APU, and performing an op's check, the gear did exactly as the pilot described - up down, up down, with the handle in the down position. The plane was shaking and almost fell off the jack stands. After some troubleshooting, I found a wire bundle near the top of the main gear that was chaffed, and a couple of bare hot wires were sending power to the "up" side of the landing gear hydraulic control valve every time the gear came half-way down. We were happy the pilot landed safely of course, but it was kinda funny to see the gear flapping up and down! (Bill from Slidell)
I’m a USAF maintainer and have worked F-15’s and F-16’s and have seen many IFE’s it’s interesting to hear from your (the pilots) point of view how they are handled. I know what goes on on the ground for us responding to IFE’s but nice to hear a different side of it!
By the way I love your videos and am gonna start reading your books, suggestions on which I should read first?
Spectre Rising is the first in the series. 👍🇺🇸
The fighter community is an awesome group. In an airliner, we have two pilots. When things go bad, usually one guy is given the jet and the radios. The other guy works the problem. In a fighter, one guy has to do it all. Fly the jet, communicate, and work the problem. There is no second opinion as a backup. They are generally an outstanding group of pilots.
I was taught Aviate, Navigate, Checklist, Communicate.
I was taught that by a former naval aviator, and now I teach it to my students as well.
Thank you for the video Mover!
I agree with you and your Bold Face Writing/Stand-up training. Bottom line is you respond the way you train! Thank you for your time & the videos!! I look forward to them & really enjoy them! Stay Safe!!
OMG. Must have photographed hundreds of awards at Wing/Group commander "stand up". Now I know why it is called that!!!
Thanks for sharing. Great with the landing gear effort.
Crap, was looking at the performance numbers of the HUD vid. Scary.
Old saying: A wingman is allowed to say 3 things.
1. "Two".2. "Bingo fuel".3. "Lead!!!! You're on fire !!!"
I was a Naval aircrewman(AW) and while I went through the dilbert dunker and ejection training in P'Cola, for P3 guys it was find a parachute in the parachute storage rack as you didn't normally wear them and open the port side door(only door, except port and starboard over the wing hatch's that you pulled in and discarded) and hope you didn't hit the horizontal stab on the way down... You got GOOD at putting a chute on QUICK!!!!!!! Other than that if you were the junior guy on the crew to set condition of flight after take off, you had to look at Doppler height finding radar well(at rear of AC) and circuit breakers(Starboard side over the wing, over starboard wing) behind SS1 and SS2 flight stations and behind SS3 then report to flight station... the big prob was the UHF and VHF radio racks which had a tendency to kinda spark so to speak... Several times we had UHF radio fires in flight...
In his great book 'Chickenhawk' Robert Mason wrote about how during flight training in helicopters with the Army IP's would mercilessly chop power to simulate a power loss and always did it during the worst possible moments like trying to squeeze into a training LZ with power lines on the upwind side close by. By the book you'd autorotate into the wind but the IP's always created scenarios specifically NOT covered in the book. This training saved the author's life multiple times on combat missions in Vietnam.
I really enjoy your channel. I'm a low hour pilot that had been grounded due to Congestive heart failure. You really have done a lot that most of us dream of. your training is amazing. Keep up the great videos and have a great day, year and of course your life
Before my dad passed away him and I built a Glasair III with the IO-540. Fun times!
Just finished I am the sheepdog on audiobook Loved it thank you
I usually just hold CTRL+ALT+E and let the ground take care of the rest.
Definitely a lot more to deal with in a single seat. Helo crews are very similar to commercial airlines in that you have multiple people engaged to deal with the problems. As a CH-46 crewchief, my NATOPS check ride was 95% emergency proceedure and we had tondeal with a real situation as well.
Thank you for all the "behind the scene" things with fighter pilots. It is very fascinating and makes you appreciate even more of what you guys do.
I've been enjoying your books. I'm on Executive Reaction. I finally understand what a jinx is thanks to your books! Looking forward to ther next book already! Add always thank you for sharing what you do and thank you for your service to this country, but fot what you did to protect my family.
I dont know if you read old post but I just want to say I love your videos. I was a crew chief on f16 I spent most of my career at Luke afb. I'm a Louisiana boy I loved the f16 and no matter what anybody says I know it is an amazing aircraft. Just wanted to say thank you Sir for what you do. Emerald knights.
Awesome video! Very informative and helps us have a greater appreciation for how much training is involved!
Dad told a story about Vietnam. He was on radio listening to a pair of A-10's. Dad was on the USS Morton, a destroyer. I remember how he always felt guilty because he couldn't help as he heard one disappear off of the map of the area he was patrolling.
Think you got your planes mixed up. Probably OV-10 Bronco. Used a lot in Vietnam. A-10 was not in service during the Vietnam War.
Calm minds always prevail! Thank you for sharing.
I'd like to hear about your SERE training if possible. Get to eat any bugs Mover?
not likely
I'd love to see a video on this as well. I'm sure he can make one, just probably won't have many specific details.
Hiking, camping, and ants taste like lemon drops👍🏼
Rabbits I think
Thanks for this, very informative and helps to understand "the World" of pilots. Keep flying, I enjoy your videos!
A perfect description of Dunning-Kruger.
Very worthy tale.
Jumper here. We do similar emergency procedure training, where there are rote responses you must go through (of course, jumping at 1000 or 1500 feet, one way or the other, it's going to be over in 90 seconds, unless you're being towed).
Yeah, you can train through the startle factor. I had a zebra malfunction on my second jump - applied my training without thinking, had my best landing of the whole week, didn't have time to freak until after I was on the ground. And I've seen the same from the jumpers I've been instructing when they have had problems.
Good stuff! Thanks for the knowledge and wisdom share. Good stuff.
Thank you MOVER. And like you said i will use this in my life. I work on cell sites. And i am in training for a new software load i will be doing. So i really like your VLOGS.
I wish my local airport had a Glasair 1RG! Looks cool to train/prepare with!
It was a home built. I owned it.
@@CWLemoine Noice
The first firefights I was in were like out of body experiences. I made no conscious decisions but instead performed every action through pure muscle memory due to the way we train to fight in the military. I really felt like I was outside myself watching me do things with no thought.
What aircraft did you end up flying? I'm considering joining the Air Force myself to become a pilot because I want to do something that I can be genuinely proud of looking back on it. And also because I know that I wouldn't be a very good front lines soldier by comparison.
great as always, looking 4ward to Mondays now...ha ha
They did a study and..typical change what works. Like now at school they don’t recite the times tables because of some study but without thinking I can do 7x8 or 12x6. It’s just there. How do you think slash could play all those songs when being a heroin addict? Memory! He’d done it a thousand times, didn’t need to think about. It was there inside his head and coupled with muscle memory. I agree with you, somethings you need to recite and do over and over so when it’s required it’s in you, don’t have to think you know the steps, do A, if A doesn’t work go to step C, and so on. How they think in an emergency where time is so critical you’re going then go look up what to do?? In some emergencies time is vital, it has to be almost instinctual, there’s no time to go to page 32 and read through then apply a checklist. Pilots have nearly crashed or crashed within seconds of a failure, not minutes but a few seconds. In those instances training can literally save lives, sadly sometimes even the best training and the crew doing everything right isn’t enough but by giving them the best training you’re giving them the best chance of survival. I bet if you asked pilots who’ve had emergencies what helped them the most I’d bet the overwhelming majority would say the training, they’d practiced it in the sim, they’d read about it, so when it happened it was still oh Sh1t but ok I know I’ve got to do X, then Y etc.
Just did my multi flying recently. I had 3h in the airplane before my flight test and the examiner pulled the engine on me at different times than I expected and MUCH quick than I had trained. The many hours in the ground running drills kicked in and I was surprised at how well things went. He was a good examiner and Im lucky I also had a great instructor
Great video mover, love listening to this stuff.
I really like to listen to your videos. You are a professional fighter pilot
Great video, thanks so much for sharing your experiences.
Great info!
Great video man. I hope to fly for the Air Force one day. And I’ve gotta check out some of those books.
Good one.
I worked with a retired B-52 pilot who flew the chrome dome missions during the cold war. He said one of his trainers was curtis lemays son. while in trying on the BUFF lemay would start pulling out fuses mid-flight!!!
I prefered the days when airlines had a flight engineer as standard
Oh boy, memories.
Wow...
I had nose wheel problems on a Piper Malibu. Got 2 out of 3 lights and then after the 8th time cycling the landing gear got 3 lights.. Put her down easy at San Martin in California with fire department standing by. Luckily no problem landing.. Just a loose leaking hydraulic line from some AP mechanic 2 weeks prior.......................................................
NASA Apollo and Space Shuttle training was very good. I have read those things many times.
I don't fly real planes but enjoy what your content for gaming. Can you elaborate terminate or knock-it-off? also what was R in FEVER? Engine idle vs throttle off and reasoning why you idle first then throttle off second (assuming fuel flow...?)
I have two questions: 1. when are you actually ready to transition from a sim to real flying and 2. Do airline pilots do check rides on their airplanes like the 737?
CW have you seen the swedish pilot that had his f16 landing gear break and he had to eject? 20 mins or so . very sobering. On the upside after hospital visit he was hoisting beers with his squadron mates that night.
I’m thinking of reading one of your books for school
I'd be interested to see how your F-18 checklist and procedures transfer over to the DCS F-18
Section III of the Dash 1 ..... Emergency Procedures. Just before going out to the airplane, Use to have to answer Bold Face written exam in Squadron Operations. Then when we went to fly after that, a no notice check ride !
Hello Mover!
Can you do a video if you have done air to air refueling and if you have what the procedure is?
if you let say go expired on instrument check ride for some reason and you don't have SEFE available, and you are in a combat they need you to fly, are they just going to ground you or what
GreaT Insight ✌
This is good stuff
Great video mover, I was wondering what your thoughts or experiences are with the large joint military exercises like the upcoming PACAF, did you ever participate in something like this? Whats it like as a fighter pilot to participate?
Dude it worked on here for 35 years every day is a school day and I have 45 hours f104
GREAT info.... thanks. "Stand Up" sounds like a good thing, stressful tho it may be.
I believe that every aspiring Fighter Pilot should come to Love this, because first off all it might on one fine day save your Butt and second it is among the first steps you take toward understanding your workplace and becoming a Fighter Pilot. My husband is a firefighter, He would say routine can be a killer, but it also helps you to stay calm if in distress.
I hope your answer is not classified. How does a fighter pilot deal with a nearby radioactive combat environment when nukes are used?
high and fast
Or just go around it too
You bend over and kiss your ass goodbye. That was the euphemism from the 60's when I was a kid at the height of the cold war.
Aim ass of your bird at the centre of the cloud and hit afterburner till your twitter ring lets go of the seat cushion button. Then resume breathing ;>{)
Most Air Force guys that flew the T37 can recite the Single Spin Recovery many years later.
Balls to the wall!
It is my ultimate wish to have ago in one of those.
No way. I live right down the road from Ama in Luling.
Do you practice emergency procedures in the cockpit of a real jet?
No. Simulators. Although we do practice flameout landings (F16/T6) and simulated single engine approaches in multi engine fighters.
I see Deuce at 5:33 :D
Do you have any combat hours?
Yup.
I have my own opinions when it comes to the "why" memory items are no longer focused on. It's the same opinions I have when talking about the lack of rote memory necessary in modern Freemasonry. It's difficult and takes time. Neither of which seem to be en vogue in today's "but there's a "quicker" and easier way to do it...just read it off a cheat sheet". The actual knowledge wasn't as important as it showed the willingness to work hard at MEMORIZING and the ability to RECITE as an individual under duress. To some, memory checklist items, obligations, scripts etc...are slow to develop but if they REALLY "want it" they'll buckle down and power through it. EVERYONE can read with little effort and much less time in simply remembering which list to grab and which tab should be flipped. Also, with practice comes proficiency. I think it takes MUCH less practice to simply always "refer" than execute under pressure.
Yes ... and college students think they can just google it when they need it. Same mentality. 😏
CW, have you ever had to eject?
Awesome video. Thank you.
Makes you think, we should only allow ex fighter pilots to fly passengers around. I'm against this whole x amount of hours to any tom dick and Harry and bam! You're now an airline pilot. With respect to good old school pilots out there.
Is it possible for me to be a fighter pilot if I have ADHD?
There is a waiver for practically everything.
In my experience if you just ignore emergencies long enough the situation will resolve itself.
Ya boi 1st
Why is concrete better than a grass field?
Less chance of digging in and cartwheeling
@@CWLemoine Thanks. I thought that since fighter jets are relatively heavy that grass fields were less of a factor.
The aircraft I was referring to was a light homebuilt piston single (in the video). General aviation not military.
@@CWLemoine Roger that.
you should be an astronaut
The picture accompanying this post is a photoshop fake. Jet engines do not have large voluminous flaming exhausts. Other than afterburner mode, there are no flames exiting the engine. During AB, there is a flame that is conical, distinct and confined.
False. Real picture.
@@CWLemoine If you say so.
I do. Because this was a real emergency with a real Hornet.
@@CWLemoine So, was this an extra-ordinary event in which the engines malfunctioned? I certainly would like to know what caused such an extra-ordinary exhaust flame, as shown. Quite unusual and problematic.
@@Tsamokie it was a compressor stall caused by engine damage.