Still no carbon spokes like we saw on remcos bike at the tour... but a lot of nice add ons to these TEAM edition wheels. If you have any questions about these wheels I would be happy to help you out :)
Carbon is a terrible material to use for spokes, for a few reasons: - Measuring tension accurately isn't easy or practical. - They may handle tension well, but torsion and impact, not so much. Weight saving is marginal and longevity is very poor compared to steel.
When wheels like the CRWs, 9 Velos, Farsports, Light Bicycle, new Elites with the double-sided ratchet, etc, etc, etc exist... there is absolutely ZERO reason to be spending $3,800 on a wheelset. It's over.
It's not over. Specialized has no problem selling these wheels. If you think people who buy cheaper wheels are the same kind of people who buy these, you are just wrong. Plenty of other more expensive wheels exist without having all these extra sinc bearings and free hubs. Take a look at Scope wheels. Also many people prefer other name brand cheaper options than LB and Farsports for whatever reason.
Its like buying a cyber truck. Its not necessary but definitely a flex. For mere mortals like myself, I would be cringing to buy a $1800 complete bike...let alone a $3800 wheelset.
@@cup_and_conehe is saying that’s a big box with a lot of room for other stuff… not that they are within Miami drug dealers price range. Hi, happy to explain the joke whenever I can! Enjoy your Friday!
they will sell, it is a upgrade for the average buyer who wants the name brand or trying for a build, there is still high end demand for these products and people like the crash replacement and warranty
Looks like they made them as light as CLX I. They do look great, if NSW and Princeton’s costs 4k, why not Rovals to cost 4k plus you get an extra set of bearings. I would predict panda podium will be a very successful company as long as US companies make stupid price wheels….
yea I think so too but laso there is still a market for these high end wheels, those companies are in no shortage of sales with those high end prices and people wanting them
Nice presentation, but how many people will see that box since they are probably buying these from the shop and asking the shop to mount the tires and put them on the bike? I hope you sell a lot of these to the Specialized SWorks fashion conscious crowd, I'll be with the poors on my CRW Works.
You’ve got the inertia thing mixed up. What matters is how much the weight is removed from the centre of the wheel. It has nothing to do with the distance to the bottom bracket ;-) solid video though !
I meant the bb is the middle off the bike, and the hweels are on the outside, the weight is removed from the outside of the rim, which is huge, why would weight being removed from the center of hub matter more then outter most part, thats the part it takes the most to spool up, is it harder to roll a 50lb ball? or harderr to have a 50lb weight on a string and wind it around
I like how resolute Specialized are on hookless, from their literature: "We know that hookless wheels don’t perform under our demanding high-pressure testing standards."
At least your box arrived undamaged. The one at my local shop was all beat up, which sadly ruined the nice presentation. First person with some play money is going to buy this, just for the rare factor alone.
Overpriced and no carbon spokes but… most people I ride with have NEVER heard of CRW, Farsports, PandaPodium etc… we are in a niche you guys. Most riders only know the big brands and they won’t realize there are better deals out there and go for the well-known brands ridden by the Pros. So these will sell
I was really looking forward to those, but since they kept the shitty 21mm internal rim width I'll be sticking to my Elitewheels Edge Gravel 45 for road use atm (best value and comfiest option overall atm)
yea I found it weird that they have used the same rim modl size and shape for so long, for a company who lives by "innovate or die" I would expect a little more
Those wheels with the polished silver hubs and valves stems would be right at home on a, I dont know, a 2024 gloss white Specialized Tarmac SL8 w/chrome silver decals but Im not too sure who would have one of those laying around.
GC Performance, can you please do a brutal strength force test on the destroyed specialized but this time with the carbon saddle post please? How durable is a carbon saddle seat tube compared to the top tube you destroyed? We need to test this for science.
Roval still don't believe in interlacing the spokes on their wheels? This is obviously done intentionally on their part but it makes no sense. When spokes are interlaced where they cross at the intersection closest to the rim, they brace against each other. This makes the entire wheel structure more stable and makes for a laterally stiffer, more robust and durable wheel.
@GCPerformance18 yea, more and more you see minimums of safety on tubeless even for hooked. 28 on a hooked is my minimum and even that I am not a fan of. I have been running Pirelli P Zero Race TLRs 30s and they are very good, but have 32 and 35s on other road bikes and have been very happy.
@@NathanDMeyer Well I prefer something a little wider, 30 or above, but more of the safety concerns is due to pressure on the small tire width. Pirelli says not to run tubeless less than 28 on hookless, and while these rims are hooked...I still would not run a 28. The benefit of the wide tire is the ability to get more contact on the imperfect roads at lower pressures. I have several bikes and 28 is the most narrow, and that is only because it is an old bike and a 30 wont fit between the rim brakes. Other wise, I have been very happy on the 32 and even the 35's I am running. Plenty of speed, better grip and handling.
they are being sold no matter what there is still a demand and this wheel will take over the older style rapides and people stil love those believe it or now
Seems like this allows wealthy consumers to 'subsidize'. Essentially price discrimination, which can have some benefits, though admittedly Specialized is running to the bank (and their marketing budget) with the extra profits, not reinvesting in improving products for the rest of us.
2:41 not even that, 28mm Conti GP5000 would still be way faster, even this same tire in 28mm would be faster, there were tests on a perfect tarmac, that proves that. And that humongous valve is pure trolling on their side
Wow i really wanted these, but after watching this video, not so much. Essentially 98% a CLXll, cool white stickers and unpainted hub. Spokes and internals all the same not worth the extra $1k to me.
My Rapide came with my S-works SL-7 they are fantastic. Looked into the Cadex 50 Ultra beautiful wheels but I prefer quiet hubs and heard the carbon spokes offer a rough ride.
Please stop pushing this absolute nonsense about rotating mass and inertia. When accelerating, 130g on the wheel rim has the impact of AT MOST 260g attached to the frame (or your body).This only matters when accelerating, not when climbing or doing anything else. How often do you actually accelerate like that and do you really think you can notice that you're accelerating 0.3% faster? It's all in your head. And 1388 isn't even that light lmao. The mental gymnastics you do to justify pushing the products you push on your channel
Marketing Bullshit is why.. dont need to watch the vid.. id still buy wheels from China (CRWs, 9 Velos, Farsports, Light Bicycle, Elites) for half the price and equal performance.
I mean this is going to sound weird but why is everyone obsessed about weight. OH this is 10g lighter oh this is 130g lighter, dude just go take a nice dump and you should loose about 600-800 grams in a minute.
Still no carbon spokes like we saw on remcos bike at the tour... but a lot of nice add ons to these TEAM edition wheels. If you have any questions about these wheels I would be happy to help you out :)
Syncross Capital SL Aero, 60mm deep front & rear, weighs 1290 grams. I was hoping Specialized could beat that. 😔
@@umah.they did win. They are not hookless and also $1000 less for 100 grams more
It wasn't on the tour because Remco never rode the tour 😅 he will in a few weeks
Carbon is a terrible material to use for spokes, for a few reasons:
- Measuring tension accurately isn't easy or practical.
- They may handle tension well, but torsion and impact, not so much.
Weight saving is marginal and longevity is very poor compared to steel.
@@umah. Aren't those terribly harsh to ride?
When wheels like the CRWs, 9 Velos, Farsports, Light Bicycle, new Elites with the double-sided ratchet, etc, etc, etc exist... there is absolutely ZERO reason to be spending $3,800 on a wheelset. It's over.
It's not over. Specialized has no problem selling these wheels. If you think people who buy cheaper wheels are the same kind of people who buy these, you are just wrong. Plenty of other more expensive wheels exist without having all these extra sinc bearings and free hubs. Take a look at Scope wheels. Also many people prefer other name brand cheaper options than LB and Farsports for whatever reason.
@@王博威-k1z Ok, I'll put a finer point on it: morons are buying these wheels.
People also drive against the traffic on a highway, so these will find their fans too
Its like buying a cyber truck. Its not necessary but definitely a flex. For mere mortals like myself, I would be cringing to buy a $1800 complete bike...let alone a $3800 wheelset.
Drive d50 is around 1000 usd and weight 1300g
Unless there is something "special" in the bottle's. It looks like the $1000 increase came from the fancy box.
The mtb version is like 20 grams lighter cuz they used hubs with less spokes. Absolutely worth the extra $1000 🔥
Its the logistics to assemble all those inhouse products 😂😂
The $1000 increase came from greed!
Now we know what will be on your dentist's Christmas wishlist this year.
hahahah or laweyers
Miami Drug Dealers gotta be buying these.
Ha
Nah, plenty of people in law field, medical, finance, realty, etc.
@@cup_and_conehe is saying that’s a big box with a lot of room for other stuff… not that they are within Miami drug dealers price range.
Hi, happy to explain the joke whenever I can! Enjoy your Friday!
@@clarkebynum4623 well played 👍
Specialized is delusional. $3800?! Not even carbon spokes. You can never justify that price
they will sell, it is a upgrade for the average buyer who wants the name brand or trying for a build, there is still high end demand for these products and people like the crash replacement and warranty
Still riding my 2015 Roval CLX 60s. They have been bulletproof.
clx 60 the goat wheels
Looks like they made them as light as CLX I. They do look great, if NSW and Princeton’s costs 4k, why not Rovals to cost 4k plus you get an extra set of bearings.
I would predict panda podium will be a very successful company as long as US companies make stupid price wheels….
yea I think so too but laso there is still a market for these high end wheels, those companies are in no shortage of sales with those high end prices and people wanting them
Nice presentation, but how many people will see that box since they are probably buying these from the shop and asking the shop to mount the tires and put them on the bike? I hope you sell a lot of these to the Specialized SWorks fashion conscious crowd, I'll be with the poors on my CRW Works.
I have this Roval Rapide since 2022 it's a amazing wheels the best in the market and this one look pretty cool ❤
yea its kind of wild they have had the same depth for so long on the market
I just threw the white decals on my CLIIs and called it a day. 😂
lmao
I can't lie...that box presentation is FIRE.
I can lie…that’s a great deal
😂
Fire sale 😂
yea its pretty cool presentation if you like the mementos for cycling stuff
But the deal overall is this kind of FIRE: th-cam.com/video/xC03hmS1Brk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=HtJS0OZI7-mAmBCO&t=87
But the deal overall is this kind of FIRE: th-cam.com/video/xC03hmS1Brk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=HtJS0OZI7-mAmBCO&t=87
You’ve got the inertia thing mixed up. What matters is how much the weight is removed from the centre of the wheel. It has nothing to do with the distance to the bottom bracket ;-) solid video though !
I meant the bb is the middle off the bike, and the hweels are on the outside, the weight is removed from the outside of the rim, which is huge, why would weight being removed from the center of hub matter more then outter most part, thats the part it takes the most to spool up, is it harder to roll a 50lb ball? or harderr to have a 50lb weight on a string and wind it around
Ow damn now I dropped the ball, I meant away from the centre of the wheel ;-)
I like how resolute Specialized are on hookless, from their literature: "We know that hookless wheels don’t perform under our demanding high-pressure testing standards."
WHY? BECAUSE RIPOFF
🤦♂️
Your local MAMIL group will disagree 😆
@@xd1be9nb7vfantastic use of the term MAMIL, love to see it in the wild
The wheels cost more than a SL7 with 105 lol
Those 26mm tires will measure 28mm on those wheels.
yes especially with the wider external rim widths
At least your box arrived undamaged. The one at my local shop was all beat up, which sadly ruined the nice presentation. First person with some play money is going to buy this, just for the rare factor alone.
these are sold already, the customer is buiolding it up with sram red and sworks bora frame should be a nice build
Overpriced and no carbon spokes but… most people I ride with have NEVER heard of CRW, Farsports, PandaPodium etc… we are in a niche you guys. Most riders only know the big brands and they won’t realize there are better deals out there and go for the well-known brands ridden by the Pros. So these will sell
Got my DT Swiss Arc 1100 50mm set for 1.500€. This is absolutely delusional lmao
I was really looking forward to those, but since they kept the shitty 21mm internal rim width I'll be sticking to my Elitewheels Edge Gravel 45 for road use atm (best value and comfiest option overall atm)
yea I found it weird that they have used the same rim modl size and shape for so long, for a company who lives by "innovate or die" I would expect a little more
Those wheels with the polished silver hubs and valves stems would be right at home on a, I dont know, a 2024 gloss white Specialized Tarmac SL8 w/chrome silver decals but Im not too sure who would have one of those laying around.
GC Performance, can you please do a brutal strength force test on the destroyed specialized but this time with the carbon saddle post please? How durable is a carbon saddle seat tube compared to the top tube you destroyed? We need to test this for science.
lmfao I do not have money fo that
@@GCPerformance18 hahaha :D
Roval still don't believe in interlacing the spokes on their wheels?
This is obviously done intentionally on their part but it makes no sense.
When spokes are interlaced where they cross at the intersection closest to the rim, they brace against each other.
This makes the entire wheel structure more stable and makes for a laterally stiffer, more robust and durable wheel.
5 seconds on Google brings up many silver tubeless valves.
Why so heavy weight !
I sow chanel Twisted Wheels (England) where guys builded Wheelsets 950 g. and less.
yea wheels can be made less heavy
G, what rotor Shimano do you recommend w these & would you put 52T to replace for better sound? Thanks
shimano xtr rotors and also yea go 54t ratchet
Galfer Rotors? Also tubeless or thin tube in 2Bliss?
Could you review the new alloy crux?
if I get one for my store for sure
Farsports hyper 50mm 1218g with tape, I laugh knowing I only paid 800 for them. I'd rather spend that money on a frame.
fair enough, these wheels with this packaging is not looking for price point, they are looking for a specific build
$800?! For what model exactly ?!
mmmmm time to buy some cheap clx ii loser editions that people will get rid of to buy these.
Crw for the win. Save more weight and money!!!
Dentists & lawyers edition. Let’s get real.
the guy who bought these wraps cup cars
Another great video thank you!
My pleasure!
The freeHub sound test was lame...... lol
You do realise that the external width has absolutely no bearing on the tyres final shape and size? All it changes is the transition from tyre to rim.
Nice presentation of Specialized to the new CLX II team. great video GC👍
thank you!!!
Can you choose the tire size at that price...
no they come with 26 becauuse they feel this is optimal
Maybe I just have to wait for the carbon spoke version.
I bought a brand new Specialized Venge with Dura-Ace and Ultegra components and Roval EL 45 wheels in 2012 for about £2800.
Today be like...
wow that is wild
picking up my set today.i cant wait man!!!!!!! hyped
thats awesome!!! what color bike you got? I am building these up on the sworks bora and new sram red
26mm tubeless??????????? Uhhhhhh, pass.
lmao I do not know why they are still pushing this
What do you prefer instead? Or what is faster than this on an average road?
@GCPerformance18 yea, more and more you see minimums of safety on tubeless even for hooked. 28 on a hooked is my minimum and even that I am not a fan of. I have been running Pirelli P Zero Race TLRs 30s and they are very good, but have 32 and 35s on other road bikes and have been very happy.
@@NathanDMeyer Well I prefer something a little wider, 30 or above, but more of the safety concerns is due to pressure on the small tire width. Pirelli says not to run tubeless less than 28 on hookless, and while these rims are hooked...I still would not run a 28. The benefit of the wide tire is the ability to get more contact on the imperfect roads at lower pressures. I have several bikes and 28 is the most narrow, and that is only because it is an old bike and a 30 wont fit between the rim brakes. Other wise, I have been very happy on the 32 and even the 35's I am running. Plenty of speed, better grip and handling.
Nice they give you spare wheel bearings for when the puny 6802's prematurely die ;p
lmfaoo this is true
$1000 for wheel bags, yeah seems fair....
Elite wheels all day
Question? Do those wheels come with a sucky sucky too? Lol
if you buy from me hell yea lol
So… …we got back to CLX v1 weight?
Yea that was the joke
Nice wheels but I prefer my zipp 454nsw
I’ve never been a fan of the staggered wheelset! They just look off. Wish they could have made them equal depth on front and rear!
I like the look but to each there own
$3800. The friggin cycling industry's gone barking mad.
Don't need the extra stuff. Save a thousand dollars?
I mean look at it
tires 200
xdr freehub 150
dynema plug 60-80
xeramic bearings 200-400
and then the added upgrades tot he wheel
I paid $1800 for the Rapide CLII wheelset 1 year ago 😂😂😂😂😂
Wheelie cool video abt wheelie cool wheels
Ummm,.. some effing sweet water bottles right there boy.
fuggin white pro bottles
C'mon, people, wake the f@$& up. Stop being ripped.off by the main companies. $1000 upgrade.
I don’t know man, those Purist water bottles are tempting 😉
they are being sold no matter what there is still a demand and this wheel will take over the older style rapides and people stil love those believe it or now
Seems like this allows wealthy consumers to 'subsidize'. Essentially price discrimination, which can have some benefits, though admittedly Specialized is running to the bank (and their marketing budget) with the extra profits, not reinvesting in improving products for the rest of us.
Bro only clowns get these stuff it’s we’ll known
surprised the box isn't made of gold.
then it would be 50,000
@@GCPerformance18 it already feels like 50k
On Aliexpress they would cost 300 Eur as my CSC. No magic, just the Label.
Because they come with a pair of exlusive 500$ bidons
2:41 not even that, 28mm Conti GP5000 would still be way faster, even this same tire in 28mm would be faster, there were tests on a perfect tarmac, that proves that. And that humongous valve is pure trolling on their side
what tires were fillipo riding on his track tests
@@GCPerformance18 I meant this test, among others. Summary at the end: th-cam.com/video/AK5KLvrzrb4/w-d-xo.html
why the heck paying for a extra freehub that you never gona use☹
Some riders would switch groupsets when they think of the next upgrade and they'll already have the freehub body ready to swap anytime.
I have scram and Shimano bikes.
@@yonglingng5640only if the upcoming 13 speed use the same xdr driver and 12 speed shimano not compatible with sram 12 speed
@@yonglingng5640 if the upcoming 13 speed use the same xdr driver and 12 speed shimano not compatible with sram 12 speed
they usually come wiht shimano but people have sram so this way they provide both so they od not have to shell out 150 right out
Wow i really wanted these, but after watching this video, not so much. Essentially 98% a CLXll, cool white stickers and unpainted hub. Spokes and internals all the same not worth the extra $1k to me.
I love them on the bike and these would be the only rapide I would buy right now but yes there is very little from the clx2
My Rapide came with my S-works SL-7 they are fantastic. Looked into the Cadex 50 Ultra beautiful wheels but I prefer quiet hubs and heard the carbon spokes offer a rough ride.
How can you justify the price increase??? specialized just sells you extra stuff you do not need or want and asks 1000 more.
$1,000.00 more after tax😢..Insane price to do the same thing,riding a bike...👎.
This only means something to riders who compete in races.
I quit.
i got your reboot card, come back in
If a person were interested in purchasing a s works sl8 from you, how would I go about that?
please reach out to me gcperformanceyt@gmail.com we can work something out :)
I would some what understand if it was carbon spoke😢 and weight of 1250...
Wow they charge branded accessories for 1000 more 😂
I don't like that "uhhhh" after the second you ride starts here, on bit
I am sorry
$1000 for a fancy box
lmao and new carbon layup
@@GCPerformance18 thats what they all say, carbon is carbon bro
hooked/hookless?
hooked
@@GCPerformance18 hallelujah!
Please stop pushing this absolute nonsense about rotating mass and inertia. When accelerating, 130g on the wheel rim has the impact of AT MOST 260g attached to the frame (or your body).This only matters when accelerating, not when climbing or doing anything else. How often do you actually accelerate like that and do you really think you can notice that you're accelerating 0.3% faster? It's all in your head. And 1388 isn't even that light lmao. The mental gymnastics you do to justify pushing the products you push on your channel
1360g, that's rookie numbers 😂
gotta bump those numbers up
Mhmm mhmmm 🤜🤛
Because there's always a sucker who pays a thousand more!
Specialized = Apple
HOW MUCH!?!.....They don't even spin that well. NUTS.
3800
Are these coming stock on SWorks SL8s for 2025?
I do not think so, because the new sram red models do not have them
It's "Shits and Giggles"
Lmao no it’s not
130g and *poof* gone just like that AND $1000 and *poof* gone just like that.
hahahhaha
Because someone will think they are 1000 dollars better.
26cc tyres!? Nah
lmao I do not know why for this
Cool ❤
thanks
cheers
thanks!@!
rather get a new midrange bike!!! nothing "within reason" here
waste of money, just buy santa cruz reserve for 1/3 of the price.
nope
Definitely not worth the asking price 😅 💩
overpriced
What a waste of money. So many better choices. Have fun with a fancy box and free tires. LOL
yea there is
Marketing Bullshit is why.. dont need to watch the vid.. id still buy wheels from China (CRWs, 9 Velos, Farsports, Light Bicycle, Elites) for half the price and equal performance.
I mean this is going to sound weird but why is everyone obsessed about weight. OH this is 10g lighter oh this is 130g lighter, dude just go take a nice dump and you should loose about 600-800 grams in a minute.
to rip off.
Carbon wheels with silver hubs? That’s a wheelset from Elite Wheels to me 😂
nice but that's a huge rip off
Because you paid the knowledge tax
😂😂😂😂😂
These are hookless? 🧐
no they are not
This shit makes me not wanna cycle anymore. Its always the same shit with the industry. They claim this and that and ppl actually fall for it.
I mean honestly, its not needed to buy it. not everything they put out is meant for people to buy right away
Some people fall for the marketing :)
I build and sell similar spec wheels, with arguably similar or better quality, for around $1500.
Hmm, lets stop selling $4000 bikes, this is easier dollar $$$