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I'm 69 years and never have I watched or listened to golf instruction with this kind of clarity in relating theory to practical application...brilliant job
Truly a secret for most sunday golfers…..dan alton, steve pratt, eric corgono talked about it….they all have different names, folding point, releasing early, throwing the club, etc. No one can explain it well and that is probably the number 1 reason you dont see it much on youtube. Golf coaches probably has an easier time to talk about p6, p7, p8 then talking about release early or flip early. Ever wonder how all the LPGA have the effortless swings? This is it….release at the top, its like you nudging a toy car down a roller coaster track. Your center have to be very still to generate speed. And you have to point your right arm to the target, the elusive p8 that most sunday golfers cannot get too. Well done! Liked the video very much.
I’m trying to do two things at once, this video has so many nuggets I had to stop working and watch this video. It’s a 16 minute video you’d be more willing to pay for. Some of your best work
Hi Chuck, I think that there’s no doubt that rotation of the forearms occurs. The question or debate is about rate of closure. Those that have a more stable clubface are only more stable through impact but they obviously still rotate but after impact. I think that might be worth some discussion. Thanks, Alan
I improved my swing when I stopped concentrating on starting the downswing with my lower body. When I concentrated on turning feeling the weight of the club in my hands set the top of the backswing, I felt my body activated to release the the clubhead from the top and thru the ball to finish the swing.
As you promised, this answers all my questions about the wrists. Thanks for this clarification. It's not the wrists, its the forearms and wrist from what you are suggesting
Sheer brilliance here, Chuck. You are unlocking the real secrets. I have been working at this and it's paying off. It's pretty counter-intuitive, but quieting down the body and making the hit and release happen earlier is making me more consistent. Keep up this whole process. It's fantastic. And by the way, it's way easier on the body of a late 50's guy.
Wow, I tried to match Tiger, and failed badly. I turned my club upside down, and was able to match the speed. It'll take some time (if ever) to get my speed to Tiger's. But I did make a great observation, that my back swing was much longer than Tiger's. After I shortened my back swing (like Tiger), I got much closer to Tiger's speed. Took a few videos of myself and also noticed that my shoulder turn is not as far (deep?) as Tiger's. With the huge extension (as far as possible), the correct shoulder turn, the back swing shortens itself. Still working ... Great vid!
Gyroscopic precession… helicopter pilots know this concept… the effect of an input in rotation actually occurs 90 degrees later in the direction of rotation. So… if you want the release of the club head to occur at the bottom of your swing, you must actually attempt to release it 90 degrees earlier during the down/forward swing!
thanks for this. Im 55yo and play off 4 and I dont have much wrist cock in either the backswing and downswing. I hit the ball a decent distance for my height (5'5") and have been wondering if I should try an incorporate more wrist hinge. Good to see many of the best ball strikers dont use much wrist hinge
hi great instruction, isnt one of the main issues is that 'we' average mid to high handicap weekend golfers have been told to be 'slow and steady' since the year dot inspite of the fact that the pro's may be steady (balanced) but they are fooking fast !
Great video, as usual. Steve Pratt and others endorse this turning over of the clubface. Look at Jon Rahm. If he doesn't turn his right wrist over his left, that ball will be going into someone's kitchen.
So overall, the greatest key is Clubhead speed and the most direct way that most humans can produce any decent clubhead speed is through the wrists and forearms. Correct?
I am agreeing with you, but isn't it really is a moot point as the actual amount of cocking that the left wrist can do, without cupping, is less than 45 degrees. It looks or feels to be more and you can move it nearly 90 degrees, but you can only use less than half that from set up to the top and back to impact. From your set up position you can see this if you cock your left wrist and see it is around 45 degrees from the ball, it is 90 degrees from your feet and that is what makes us think it can cock 90 degrees. You do not talk much about the right wrist. Tell me if I am wrong, but it cups at the top and is the source of most of the power in the wrists. The left wrist's job is to not breakdown and to help stop a early flip. Most of the players you show visually increase the wrist cock slightly in transition. Probably from the momentum of the club head still moving back as the hands start forward. It is a very small increase and is lost quickly. Some commentators suggest it is a source of lag, but is it irrelevant?
Actually they didn't rotate over it appeared that way. The right hand/wrist moved to the left and the left wrist is totally cupped in most all good players. Scott, Hoosthuisen, and a list of others. Tiger more aggressively rolled the right forearm over the left but most others do not. That rotation is a byproduct of the right wrist extension ad left wrist collapsing. Jones right wrist moved to the left, literally. Mike Austin may the best example of hands working this way, not rolling over. Roll over is a byproduct not the cause.
I agree with you to a degree, but there is zero doubt the arms are not "appearing" to rollover, they simply do rollover. In order for a golfer to understand what they must do you need to be able to quantify it in a useful way and rotation is part of that way to of quantifying things. The great thing about the Hackmotion is it shows both the rotation and the breakdown of the lead wrist - which is only about 14 degrees which isn't much in the case of Olesen. And since the GOAT Code is largely based on Tiger, well, ya, you said it yourself, he rolls his forearms over.
There is so much confusion on what the release is. Is it releasing the wrist cock? Yeah, a little. Or, Is it forearm rotation? Yes! Much more than just the wrist cock. If you watch any good player, the trail forearm is under the lead arm. But, just before impact, those forearms change places in a split second! You don't have to be as fast as a tour pro to get some extra speed. But, you must rotate those forearms! Just don't rotate the club face open on the back swing. It will open enough if you take the club back correctly.
You’re incorrect about what happens on the way down. Both Homa and Schauffle increase their wrist cock as they start down. Width going back, yes. But they narrow on the way down.
Watch my video talking about tiger liking max homas cast. It’s generally a shallowing of the club that creates the look of lag increasing but 3d motion capture shows that’s not what’s happening at all. Watch amg video on the right arm
Almost loved this video. - Its all about angles, but none are defined!!!! eg Is "Rotation" ......of the forearm? .....of the right or left forearm? .....or of the left arm (or hand) relative to the right? Is the "wrist cock angle" .....the deviation from a straight line of the arm and club shaft? ...the deviation from setup? ....or any of a multitude of other possibilities? For an attempted technical video, it loses any ability to technically interpret. Without a clearly defined basis the graphs are pretty, but pretty useless. Schaun
Watch the Member Video - The Rahmbo Drill and learn how to create speed like the pros here: rotaryswing.com/c4/112553-rahmbo-drill
You can save $50 off the Hackmotion Pro here: hackmotion.com/rotaryswing
I'm 69 years and never have I watched or listened to golf instruction with this kind of clarity in relating theory to practical application...brilliant job
Finally a TH-cam coach telling the truth about hand/wrist action in the swing!! Get that release down and you can play great golf for a long time.
Truly a secret for most sunday golfers…..dan alton, steve pratt, eric corgono talked about it….they all have different names, folding point, releasing early, throwing the club, etc. No one can explain it well and that is probably the number 1 reason you dont see it much on youtube. Golf coaches probably has an easier time to talk about p6, p7, p8 then talking about release early or flip early. Ever wonder how all the LPGA have the effortless swings? This is it….release at the top, its like you nudging a toy car down a roller coaster track. Your center have to be very still to generate speed. And you have to point your right arm to the target, the elusive p8 that most sunday golfers cannot get too. Well done! Liked the video very much.
Glad you enjoyed it thanks!
Excellent video thanks for all the tips. Definitely things to work on tomorrow morning
I’m trying to do two things at once, this video has so many nuggets I had to stop working and watch this video. It’s a 16 minute video you’d be more willing to pay for.
Some of your best work
Haha! Well the member video is where the payoff is. This is just what they do. The member video is how to do it
Timing of getting body and hands to link up and get that rotation of the hands going at right time answered right there end of story
Hi Chuck,
I think that there’s no doubt that rotation of the forearms occurs. The question or debate is about rate of closure. Those that have a more stable clubface are only more stable through impact but they obviously still rotate but after impact. I think that might be worth some discussion.
Thanks, Alan
I improved my swing when I stopped concentrating on starting the downswing with my lower body. When I concentrated on turning feeling the weight of the club in my hands set the top of the backswing, I felt my body activated to release the the clubhead from the top and thru the ball to finish the swing.
As you promised, this answers all my questions about the wrists. Thanks for this clarification. It's not the wrists, its the forearms and wrist from what you are suggesting
Cool! Let me know if you have any other questions
Sheer brilliance here, Chuck. You are unlocking the real secrets. I have been working at this and it's paying off. It's pretty counter-intuitive, but quieting down the body and making the hit and release happen earlier is making me more consistent. Keep up this whole process. It's fantastic. And by the way, it's way easier on the body of a late 50's guy.
Thank you! Glad it's helping!
Excellent information. Thanks.
You’re welcome!
Wow, I tried to match Tiger, and failed badly. I turned my club upside down, and was able to match the speed. It'll take some time (if ever) to get my speed to Tiger's. But I did make a great observation, that my back swing was much longer than Tiger's. After I shortened my back swing (like Tiger), I got much closer to Tiger's speed. Took a few videos of myself and also noticed that my shoulder turn is not as far (deep?) as Tiger's. With the huge extension (as far as possible), the correct shoulder turn, the back swing shortens itself. Still working ... Great vid!
Yes! Backswing needs to be quick and the hands need to be firm
Gyroscopic precession… helicopter pilots know this concept… the effect of an input in rotation actually occurs 90 degrees later in the direction of rotation. So… if you want the release of the club head to occur at the bottom of your swing, you must actually attempt to release it 90 degrees earlier during the down/forward swing!
Thanks a lot
So lead hand dominant, and pulling. I discovered this then saw that RotarySwing talk about it.
thanks for this. Im 55yo and play off 4 and I dont have much wrist cock in either the backswing and downswing. I hit the ball a decent distance for my height (5'5") and have been wondering if I should try an incorporate more wrist hinge. Good to see many of the best ball strikers dont use much wrist hinge
You're welcome!
hi great instruction, isnt one of the main issues is that 'we' average mid to high handicap weekend golfers have been told to be 'slow and steady' since the year dot inspite of the fact that the pro's may be steady (balanced) but they are fooking fast !
that's absolutely a problem. I want my students to move faster and faster, never slow and steady.
That’s how to ensure the mass market remains as amateurs 😂
Great video, as usual. Steve Pratt and others endorse this turning over of the clubface. Look at Jon Rahm. If he doesn't turn his right wrist over his left, that ball will be going into someone's kitchen.
Nice video.
So overall, the greatest key is Clubhead speed and the most direct way that most humans can produce any decent clubhead speed is through the wrists and forearms.
Correct?
I am agreeing with you, but isn't it really is a moot point as the actual amount of cocking that the left wrist can do, without cupping, is less than 45 degrees. It looks or feels to be more and you can move it nearly 90 degrees, but you can only use less than half that from set up to the top and back to impact. From your set up position you can see this if you cock your left wrist and see it is around 45 degrees from the ball, it is 90 degrees from your feet and that is what makes us think it can cock 90 degrees.
You do not talk much about the right wrist. Tell me if I am wrong, but it cups at the top and is the source of most of the power in the wrists. The left wrist's job is to not breakdown and to help stop a early flip.
Most of the players you show visually increase the wrist cock slightly in transition. Probably from the momentum of the club head still moving back as the hands start forward. It is a very small increase and is lost quickly. Some commentators suggest it is a source of lag, but is it irrelevant?
Here's the secret! - The key is keeping the trail forearm even with or above the lead arm throughout the backswing!
Greatttttt! Video!
Why does Pete Cowen look pissed off in every video
Agreed... This really is a question that merits a follow up video.
😄
sour mofo. be serious. but don't take yourself too seriously....
I want to reduce wrist cock but it’s very hard as I feel like I wouldn’t have any lever to use in the downswing. Any drills to practice?
Yes that is exactly what the video is for in the pinned comment and description
Doesn't an early release result in "casting"?
Watch the other videos in the series to understand this further
Not as long as the body keeps moving :)
Btw…..that’s not Trevor it’s his brother Mark Immelman.
That's where the speed of the goats come from.
This reminds me the flipping point Dan ALTON Golf is talking about on his TH-cam channel
Actually they didn't rotate over it appeared that way. The right hand/wrist moved to the left and the left wrist is totally cupped in most all good players. Scott, Hoosthuisen, and a list of others. Tiger more aggressively rolled the right forearm over the left but most others do not. That rotation is a byproduct of the right wrist extension ad left wrist collapsing. Jones right wrist moved to the left, literally. Mike Austin may the best example of hands working this way, not rolling over. Roll over is a byproduct not the cause.
I agree with you to a degree, but there is zero doubt the arms are not "appearing" to rollover, they simply do rollover. In order for a golfer to understand what they must do you need to be able to quantify it in a useful way and rotation is part of that way to of quantifying things. The great thing about the Hackmotion is it shows both the rotation and the breakdown of the lead wrist - which is only about 14 degrees which isn't much in the case of Olesen. And since the GOAT Code is largely based on Tiger, well, ya, you said it yourself, he rolls his forearms over.
There is so much confusion on what the release is. Is it releasing the wrist cock? Yeah, a little. Or, Is it forearm rotation? Yes! Much more than just the wrist cock. If you watch any good player, the trail forearm is under the lead arm. But, just before impact, those forearms change places in a split second! You don't have to be as fast as a tour pro to get some extra speed. But, you must rotate those forearms! Just don't rotate the club face open on the back swing. It will open enough if you take the club back correctly.
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You’re incorrect about what happens on the way down. Both Homa and Schauffle increase their wrist cock as they start down. Width going back, yes. But they narrow on the way down.
Watch my video talking about tiger liking max homas cast. It’s generally a shallowing of the club that creates the look of lag increasing but 3d motion capture shows that’s not what’s happening at all. Watch amg video on the right arm
Almost loved this video. - Its all about angles, but none are defined!!!!
eg Is "Rotation" ......of the forearm? .....of the right or left forearm? .....or of the left arm (or hand) relative to the right?
Is the "wrist cock angle" .....the deviation from a straight line of the arm and club shaft? ...the deviation from setup? ....or any of a multitude of other possibilities?
For an attempted technical video, it loses any ability to technically interpret. Without a clearly defined basis the graphs are pretty, but pretty useless.
Schaun
It’s all clearly defined in the member video