Technical pens VS Fineliners
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 มิ.ย. 2024
- Technical pens ( like the Rotring Isograph) VS fineliners ( like the Sukura pigma micron, but in this case the Uni-ball Uni-pin fine line)
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Tech pens are basically essential for any kind of drafting or technical illustration...but the fineliners are far more versatile for an artist. When running a tech pen against guides, such as rulers / masks / french curves / etc., you won't get ink residue on the guides which can transfer to your work. Fineliners, the nib will come in contact with the guide, and leave the undesired residual ink. Also...there is no flex in the tech pen "nib", so the line variance tends to be more uniform.
Completely agree.
It's contrary to my experience, fineliners don't "smudge" as much as compared to tech pens when using t-square/triangles. Probably due to the ink difference between the pens. I was using a Staedtler set for drafting then. The trick was to use the "inking" edge of your triangle so the ink won't smudge your drawing.
@@deathsbane0 staedtler bleeds more than rotring.
@@ordinary7sasha You mean the staedtler ink? Yea those are horrible ink, its not even marker-proof (which i need since i mostly work with alcohol markers), and they cost a little less than rotring ink.
Technical pens introduced me to fountain pens during college, maintaining both types of pens over the years are the reason why I have been entrusted with some of the oldest family heirlooms I never would've thought my grandfather owned, the integrity of technical pens is serious. Grandkids can and will be able to use them if you cherish them, being the grandkid referred to the video myself haha. Thanks for uploading this.
Heirloom? An antique fountain pen?
how?? technical pens wouldn’t last a year for me i need to buy a new one every few months
Yeah, Dexter. I agree with you. I bought a couple of different thickness technical pens and was shocked just how much maintenance, babying, messes, and ruined artwork. Those pens have since sat in a drawer unused for years. I prefer fountain pens to technical pens for overall quality of a refillable pen. And fine liners have them all beat with simple ease of use. You can always tell a technical & fountain user by their inky fingers.
That heart stopping moment when putting back that fine filament
I’m not sure what made it this way, but this is the first video comparing fineliners and technical pens that didn’t leave me with more questions than answers, so thank you very much for your wonderful explanation! I think you just saved me a lot of money! :P
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The comments on the mechanic are perfect. Every time I clean one of these pens, I think, never again! And then find myself trying to get them working again. Thanks for the video.
Excellent thank you. Has convinced me, that with my level of general clumsiness, I'm better of sticking with fine liners.
Thanks a lot for all these precious explanations and tips and tricks. I recently got 3 "family heirloom" technical pens : Staedtler Mars-500 0.3mm, Faber-Castell TG 405 0.6mm & Rotring Variant 0.2mm. All of them clogged with fossilized ink I was able to clean. Only the Staedtler came with all parts, so I inked it, tried it and loved it. Up to now I'm more in fountain pens and calligraphy, but I think I'll add a "technical and doodling pens" section to my non-collection of pens I use as often as I can.
1:01 This diagram is so cool, I knew about the small pin in the nib being pushed upwards but I didn't know it was held down by a weight. That is so neat to see what is ACTUALLY going on inside.
Uni pin has only around 1.7 ml of ink, and it's one of the longer lasting fine liners out there.
That's good to know. Thanks
the staedtler mars matic technical pens i use have a ink reservoir capacity of 1.0mL, however the instruction manual says to fill it up to a certain line, which causes its capacity to drop to 0.9mL
The feel of finelines is very different from a technical pen, I like both, but one is good for crisp lines, the other is good for soft transitions.
I am using my Faber-Castell technical pens mainly for writing now as I moved on from ink drawings to watercolor. I leave ink in them, and barely ever had problems with them drying out. If they do, I’m lucky enough to have access to an ultrasound bath that gets ink out if them in minutes. They do leak all over your fingers, though.
The only thing about technical pens that's better than a fine liner (for general art), is the fact that almost all of them (every one that I've seen or had) are refillable. What I would give to be able to refill Microns.
You can. There are videos all over the internet about that. However, the nibs on a fineliner do wear out rather quickly, so you will still have to throw Microns away quite often. I find that cheap India ink works just fine in fineliners.
P.S. Technical pens have more consistent line widths, and work better with rulers. Sometimes, that is extremely valuable in art.
I remember when I used to draw with Rotring pens on tracing paper using a blade to scrape off drops or mistakes...years of painful cleaning the nib
I have a love/hate relationship with my technical pens. ITA when they're working they're magic. When they aren't they're maddening
I am using the Rotring isograph pens, circa 1976, that were used by both my grandfather and my father and then handed down to me along with Grandpa's Tintinkuli, circa 1930. The barrels were cracked on one or two pens near the nib end, but judicious use of washi tape fixed the further spread of cracks. The newer ones that I bought for my son are more scratchy than mine. I think over time, the outside diameter of the tiny tubes have smoothed out with use for a smoother ride on the paper. However, for portable drawing out and about, I love fine-liners! I don't want to risk dropping the good ones and causing microfractures to the barrels or causing a bend to the regulator wire. For sketching, fine-liners are better for me in general because of the wee variations in line width, and for technical work, the Rotring does what it is designed for perfectly.
I use the Koh-I-Noor Rapidograph technical pens that I bought in college in the 80's. I use the cleaner made for them, by them, that is available at my local art store. The cleaner works excellent for normal maintenance and for when I forget to clean out a pen before storage. I do wish they worked better on rough/cold pressed watercolor paper, so for that, I'm using the Sakura Micron's for my ink work, or a fountain pen/dip pen. Thanks for the video.
Thanks, I wanted to learn some considerations and best practices when using my fine-liner 0.5. I found good advice in the first 5 min. It was insightful to learn how the pen's design influences the lines drawn on the paper too
I think the rotring is the winner here more crisp detail I would say and the cleaning procedures make u appreciate them more
Worked with technical pens for over 40 years, he pretty much nailed it. Haven’t fired up one of my technical pens in years and probably never will.
I will remember your cautionary words if anyone offers me a try of a technical pen.
You are doing a great job with your videos. Very funny and interesting, even for a person who has trouble drawing stick figures.
The nibs will not clog if you start using the grey pen holder in your rotring-set. First, you need to soak the sponge properly inside by turning it upside down and add water. Not dripping wet but almost. Then you have the most perfect place to store your technical pencils without dry tips. The tips are not wet in the penholder only never have dry ink. I never use the hats other than when I transport the pens, all other times they are in the moist pen holder on my desktop ready to be used. Perfect!
Good to know about the drawing angle, I favour such a low angle I doubt I'd along with a technical pen. Great freehand skills, by the way
Thanks for this excellent comparison. Art tool maintenance is a big pain in the neck for me. I must have convenience, so I’m going to stick with my fineliners for now.
Wow, nice drawing👍👍
I have a few rotrings got them a few years ago. Need to go check on them it’s been a while. Been using sharpie pen to doodle crap on paper. ROtring are a bit of a mess to deal with but it’s still feels good drawing lines with. Great breakdown on the rOtring isograph
Thank you! It good to know how they compare. I was eyeing a tech pen at one point but since it was going to be lightly used, I talked myself out of it and went for a fine liner. My pen tinkering is saved for fountain pens.
The ink of technical pens is much deeper black than any of the fineliners, I've noticed. The drawback with technical pens, if filled with waterproof ink, is that the nib/point gets clogged if not used for a couple of weeks, and then one has to clean it all the time.
Thanks for making this direct comparison. I'm currently looking to get a technical pen for highlights on my drawings. I've tried so many other ways, but nothing will give the effect I want. Charcoal, gelly roll pens, brush pens, paint markers, chalk, coloring pencils, and gouache all pick up the pencil, charcoal, or watercolor underneath and end up making the highlights darker than the pencil around it Erasers and white out work for pencil and charcoal, but it doesn't look right and it's hard to get small spots without messing up the whole area around it. The best solution I have right now is a squeeze bottle with a needle applicator, but it's impossible to get a straight, consistent line and it often pools in the groove of my pencil lines. What I want is to go back to stark white without having to plan my highlights ahead of everything else and to be able to draw over it if I need to. Fine lines with clean edges would be nice as well. I'm hoping that a technical pen with white India ink will get the look I really want for my style. If this doesn't work, I'll probably try either a ruling pen or a fluid writer
Micron fineliners out of Japan are my most favorite fine liner pens. I use them for all kinds of drawing and even everyday document work. Best part is, I can color over the ink lines with Prismacolor inks with zero runs or marker contamination. I used to have a huge set of technical pens from Rotoring and Fibre Castell in ruby and tungsten tips from my drafting tech illustration days but now they get used for fine lining, panel work and detail painting on scale models.
excellent video - thank you for putting it together
my takeaway - technical pens are fantastic, except when they aren't
So mine haven't been touched in 3 months. I stored them full.
No problems at all. Screwed on somewhat tighter than usual, but otherwise fine. I find putting a drop of distilled water or two on the ink of you don't use them much helps.
Also I switched to hot pressed watercolor paper. That helped with smoothness.
But I pulled out the needle on my 0.2 and am panicking now, lol.
I don't know if I'll ever get it back in.
Also I have some refillable copics. I like them too.
Going to try micro tip uniball visions.
I do urban sketching mixed media with watercolor
You need to look at Koh I Noor's range of technical pen inks, they do colours that no one else does and they're mixable so you can create virtually any shade you like
All in on the Artline pens. Also, I just got a Black Forest fountain pen. I love dip pens too.
Using a throw away pen on paint will sometimes damage the felt tip and ruin it, where as the tech pen has never been damaged from writing on paint.
That's interesting. Mentally filing that one away for later
I wish somebody would design a modern technical pen that could be reliably used at 'natural' drawing angles rather than perpendicular to the paper. I believe Rotring's 'Rapidosketch' was an attempt at this but its rarity suggests it wasn't very successful. It's possible the tube/needle concept may simply be incapable of a more relaxed operation, I don't know.
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Have you heard about the Copic Multiliner? Rotrings still are my favorites but the best value for modern lineart pens are the Copics. They are refillable, and while the felt nib erodes with time, you can buy new ink cartridges and new nibs. In short, they have the convenience of the fineliner without being disposable. Sadly their black is not black black like the Rotring india ink, but still waterproof.
Very interesting. Does the ink and the nibs last longer than the ones in disposable fineliners? Because according to the prices I'm looking at they better last at least twice as long. A replacement nib seems to cost as much a one disposable fineliner, and then you need to buy ink as well.
Anyway they're probably better for the environment, less waste etc.
Thanks for the tip :)
The Sakura Micron pens that I like the most are the 003 inch/ 0.15 mm fine liner. I use them for the finest lightest shading. They dry out very fast. I tried the smallest dip pen nib and it wasn't small enough. I got a 0.13 mm Koh-in-oor Rapidograph technical pen and absolutely love it! All one has to do is clean it once a week with water or Rapido-eze pen cleaner.
I've been lookin for a pen to replace my fineliner (uni, same as in the video). The reason I am looking for a replacement is because the nibs wear out WAY before the ink, even when I apply little pressure. I need it to operate similar to the fineliner i.e. great ink flow and little pressure required to get solid lines. I've tried hybrid ballpoints, gel pens rollerball pens and fountain pens. All of them require much more pressure than the fineliner to get the ink flow to be consistent. I was hopefull with the fountain pen, but it requires about the same amount of downward force to get consistent ink flow as the rollerball. I don't know if this unicorn pen exists- I mean the fineliner is it, but the unicorn pen would be a fineliner with a nib that doesn't wear out. Any suggestions?
I've found that being very aware of how much pressure you're applying on them helps me make them last, but if you're already applying as little as possible I wouldn't be able to say.
If a fountain pen can't write under it's own weight then it's not properly tuned. It shouldn't really require any pressure to lay down ink. I can lay one of my fountain pens in the crook of my hand and just let it drag over the paper and it'll make a line without me putting any pressure on it at all. What fountain pen(s) did you try? Different brands can have very different QC. It should also be noted that some fountain pens, especially very fine nibs, can be really finicky about the angle you hold them at, and you also have to be careful to not rotate the nib much, or at all, to make sure the nib is making contact with the paper in the right spot to allow ink to flow. This is less of a problem with larger nib sizes as the contact point with the paper is larger.
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i cleaned my 3 isograph clogged nip for a year with hot water and ultra sonic cleaner. it work as good as new now. also i heard that platinum's carbon ink is less clogging because they have smaller pigment particles. if you hesitated to buy technical pen for ended up clogged ink, consider buying these products with it.
Great video! What fine liner pens would you recommend that have waterproof ink (pens you can do an ink drawing with and then water color over the top of it after it dried without the black ink bleeding?)
You need a fine liner that contains pigmented ink. Many good brands available. But my favorite are the Uni pin Fineliners
I used tech pens for a long time. what I don't like about them is: they clog to frequently, they leak and they're too dry. I switched to fountain pens and brush pens and never been happier
If I understood correctly, technical pens are like fountain-pens, but designed for drawing instead of writing.
Also, that kind of tip is clearly made to be used with rulers, just like draft-pencils (technical mechanical pencils).
I use Noodler's X-Feather Black and Lexington Grey in my Isographs, no clogging or flow issues in the last couple of years at least.
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Rotring ink gets as well as possible when It's warm try using quite hot water bath. Don't reach boiling point but go as close as you manage.
Have you tried the Liquidraw tech pens? Very rotringesque. I've not tried them yet but they're on my wishlist lol Oh and they're a fraction of the price of rotring or staedtler.
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I can't use anything besides my Rapidographs for ink work. There is just a reliability that can't be beat.
If rotring tech pen does not have air intake, why does it leaks from aside. My rotring tech have less ink flow, can i fic it.
Amazing review, Thanks a lot! Anyway I was wondering if is it possible to use Indian ink (winsor & newton for example) with the Isograph? I really want to give it a shot!
In a resent video I made I tried putting Sumi ink in it. Worked quite well. I've heard of other people putting many different inks in a tech pen with good results. Including India ink. Just be careful with those really fine nibs, sometimes they clog as soon as you divert your attention.
I wouldn't. India ink has lacquer in it and isn't intended for technical pens.
I really like the technical pens, except you have to use special paper to draw with them especially with the 0.01 one, it was almost impossible to use it on any paper I tried as it would catch and tear it
With the exception of using a pen with a ruler, a dip pen, or very fine line fountain pen are way better for drawing.
Yes I have also come to know the joys of a fine fountain pen.
You would be the best person to answer this : for a Pen Plotter, which of those pens is able to draw at the fastest speed?
I am searching for a fineliner with white ink, but I discovered that doesn’t exist. I usually draw with my Micron 005 fineliner, and if I want to use white, I have to pick a white gelpen. But just like ballpoint pens, they aren’t always that smooth, and much thicker than my 005 microns. Besides, I had to buy tons of gelpens, because they’re always dried out for some reason. Do you think buying a technical pen is worth my money? Are there good a little cheaper alternative brands for the rotring isograph? I hope you can help me with this, because I don’t want to but expensive stuff and then figure out it’s not the right tool for me. I’m mostly gonna use this with white ink, and for stippling and small details.
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As I've discovered recently, the design of a technical pen is not very forgiving when it comes to loose tolerances. If your going to buy one make sure that it is a good quality one. Otherwise you will hate it immediately.
I've tried both Rotring and Staedtler technical pens and I can recommend them. I've heard some good reports about the Koh-i-noor ones as well. None of those brands are really that much cheaper though.
Just don't let them dry out like your white gel pens. It will be bad times. Be prepared for maintenance. Especially if you are going to be needing a really fine nib. For example I have a bunch of ancient 0.18mm nibs which so far I have failed to get working. But I've had success with other larger nib sizes.
Although my motivation to get a 0.18mm one working is low because anything below 0.25mm only feels OK on the smoothest of paper.
If you are prepared to sacrifice portability for something cheaper then maybe you could consider a fine nib dip pen. Or maybe even a size 0 ( or even smaller) round brush and some white gouache paint?
Anyway I don't know if that is helpful at all.
Also your videos look very good. Keep up the good work!
@@Ashsibe Thank you very much!! That helped a lot, also thanks for checking out my channel!
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Thanks. I know understand why our drafting teacher said not to cheapen-out on good branded technical pens (my gear was all Rotring coz' the triangles have a gap and are anti smudge but Faber may be a bit more stylish with it's translucent pen tip indicator) and not buy a fineliner which won't have the line consistency (not to mention it'll add to plastic pollution). X-D
But it's very expensive to break a .1 tip as a student (classmates even fought about it, coz' we borrow stuff sometimes). X-D
These were preceded by the stylographic pens or "stylos" (considered a fountain pen which is the pinnacle of writing instruments today; much like the ballpoint which was considered a fountain pen before but not anymore).
God bless.
Yup expensive AF to break, and the mini heart attack you get when you're not drawing on a drafting table and the 0.1 pen starts rolling down the table/desk.
@@deathsbane0 yup, so true + the arguments w/ the classmate who lent it (coz' rarely is the 0.1 used unless you forgot to bring your 0.2), who whole class considers the meanest in a very subtle way (emotionally the meanest, not physical), if you just borrowed it (seen this argument before, it'll last a lifetime until old age, God forbids. I hope they're good now but I doubt it.)
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"maybe your grandchildren will be using it, well if theres any trees left to make paper" < i enjoyed this haha
What? What do you mean "if there's any trees left? You realize that "deforestation" is a myth. In fact, every tree that loggers cut down, they plant another. And they plant saplings. Not seeds. So they are already growing.
And man-made climate change is a Boogeyman hoax. The climate is changing, but he only thing that would change in regards to trees would be the growing of different kinds in new places.
Don't be afraid of climate change. It's all mainstream media lies. Like how they all went after Trump for things he didn't do, or for saying something like "there were good people on both sides. I'm not talking about racists. I'm talking about the people that just came out." Yet, Biden admits to MASSIVE lies, is on tape doing what they impeached Trump for (even though he literally never did it) and the fact that he's objectively mentally unfit for office. Trump was one of the best presidents in world history. That's just reality. Biden beats Obama for the worst US president. Objectively.
Stop listening to people that know nothing about the climate. Bill Nye calls himself a scientist..... he's not.
im refilling my uni pin with rotring ink removing the tip using pliers and syringe.
And here I was removing the base of the uni-pin. Removing the plastic part of the tip is so much easier! Thank you.
I like both. I prefer the Rotring when using white or gold ink and a 0.2 or finer line. I have yet to find any reliable substitutions. For black ink I use Copic Multiliners. More expensive than the Uni Pin, but the nibs and ink cartridges are replaceable. I’ve had my original set for 9 years. Just my 2 cents…
Hi, what brand/kind of white and gold ink do you use with rotring?
For white I use original Rotring ink. For gold I use Dr. Marin's
@@jenniferheelan3682 ty so much
Curious if the drawing was of that particular point in the future when there are no longer any trees left to make paper with???
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I don't remember it being intentional... but I guess it was
The technical pen was primarily used for Architectural drawing. Also, the tips do wear down over time--if you look at them under a magnifying glass you will see there are variations according to how the pen was used on the paper.
Oh dear. Did I forget to mention that the tips slowly wear down over the years? Unless you get one of those jewel nib ones. I think those last forever. Rare I think.
@@Ashsibe they do. The jewel tips are very hard to find...very expensive.
@@dillardparker7546 yes very true... Pen fantasies...
@@Ashsibe before this art store closed I was able to get a set of 4 mars Steadlter Jewel tip technical pens for a song.
My teacher has recommend the rotring pens ....but they are too costly for me.... So can I use this refillable ones .... Are same ? Well I need for geography mapping and all
Not sure what you mean. Did your teacher recommended Rotring tikky fineliners or maybe Rotring Isographs (a technical pen) ? A tech pen is far more expensive but might be worth it if your using up a GREAT MANY fine liners.
The Technical pens I'm using in this video (Rotring Micronorms) have been out of production for many decades. But in usage they preform the same as the Rotring Isographs.
There I probably didn't answer your question any better than my video did Lol
@@Ashsibe sir can you sponser me the rotring pen of 0.1, 0.2, 0.3, 0.4 and 0.5 . I am a geography student , my parents could not afford me such pens. It will a great help for a student like me.
😂 the ramble of a guy too far gone with technical pens at the end was hilarious
Brilliant video. It's such a shame that the vast majority of people call fineliners "technical pens" and vice versa nowadays.
I have an architect friend who's like seventy, and he doesn't have a single technical pen in his study. He does have various fineliners that he just calls "microns."
There is a fineliner called Sakura Micron
Good vid! I would say DO NOT put just any ink in tech pens. Tech pen ink (eg. rotring, rapidograph) or fountain pen ink ONLY. Any other ink (usually with often more binder and larger particle size) will, speaking from experience, FUCK them.
There are lots of different brands of fineliners I have used that don't work well at an angle, it's not just technical pens. Uni Pins aren't too bad but pilot drawing pens for example need the correct angle for some sizes. Others do this too. For me fineliners are a convenience but their lines have no soul, they're just not as strong and definite as those from a tech pen. And the plastic waste from disposables isn't ideal. Copic has the right idea with their SP line but the prices often don't compete with disposables when you factor in replacement tips and ink. And to think technical pens are dying out because of these... it sucks. Convenience at the cost of our planet yet again. Call me preachy but it's true.
Did I say put any ink you like in them? I think I might have... oh dear. I have some regrets.
I think you're right but I think the binders in different inks would be the main problem. I think the ink particle size in rotring ink must be massive as it will clog a fountain pen in no time.
Trying to keep corse language out of the comments of my videos btw. But the advice in this one is really good....
@@Ashsibe I think you might be right, rotring ink seems to be semi-soluble over time or at least softens more than most so it can be cleaned out.
Since you left a nice reply I made my comment family friendly.
@@CustardBustard Thank you :)
Which refilling pen is best for doodling?
Any refillable pen that doesn't distract you from what you're drawing. I currently prefer fountain pens for doodling because you can hold them at a steeper angle as well as other subjective reasons that have no influence on the end result.
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Does expired rotring ink affect the pen or drawing?
I tired to use really old roting ink once. It was so old that a lump of pigment had formed at the bottom of the bottle. Not only was the ink not as black ( more like gray) because the pigment had settled out of it, it was also running the risk of clogging the pen. As it had large particles in it.
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1:15 in instant like.. youtubers still put effort in videos
i grw up with a set my mother had of koh-noor. eventualy i hunted ebay for my own sadly screwed up my set opps least the set only cost me 20 bucks but still sad they are nice pens doh
At about 9:40 I tried to blow that little bug away. LOL
Use a vibrating jewelry cleaner for the technical pens.
Copic multi liners are really nice to use. Uni pin don't feel as nice.
I've recently used the Copic multi liner SP and I have to agree. So smooth.
Ultrasonic cleaners work nicely.
...interesting
A USB ultrasonic cleaner Is 50 bucks and changes the game totally. Designed to clean your razor or glasses or jewellery. Used technical pens are available as people move to the disposables that work like a charm without a thought for their cost to earth systems. I have been using a .45 Staedtler Mars 700 as a pen since 1979. Should have lost it by now.
Thos is 20th artist I came a cross. I am interested in writing.
There this technical pen called Isomars technoart technical drawing pen worth 2.7334 AUD and it comes with a 25 ml ink refill!
For that price they look like a very interesting Rotring Isograph clone. But I can't find any for that price unfortunately. Cheapest I could find them was over $10 each if you buy them in a set of 8.
@@Ashsibe it's available in Flipkart india... Idk about its availability in Australia tho... And yes it's build quality lacks far behind than Rotring but with some efforts good results can be obtained
@@hithashetty916 Ah I see. Postage to Australia at least doubles the price of these. Interesting thing to keep on my pen radar though thank you.
If there is any trees left to make paper with... Sadly true!
Ah “The moment of terror”, that’s how i ruined mine 😢
Hey man buy a non iso technical pen. For example, staedtler marsmatic 700 .3mm is not ISO rated. What makes this important is that the tip is actually round and so you can write with an angle.
Are you nzer or ausie
Now I have 2 technical pens....
I got Staedtler one. Old stock new pen. I accidentally got 2.0mm one, so I went back to the store and get one in 0.3. I am using it for writing with home made FP ink and it's fantastic. probably will be close to zero maintenance, love it
Now I am looking to buy a technical pen and stop buying disposable plastic thingies
Nice cartoon.. bye'eeee..
guess i'm not buying a technical pen.
no way i'm wasting time cleaning and maintaining
Isographs are a pain to maintain over the years… but they are soo good… after using them there is no way to go back to fineliners
You wouldn't do well in architecture or engineering if you think maintaining a drafting pen is such a burden
Be careful with Amazon and eBay. Knock offs/fakes.
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What. Do. You. Mean. ?
i throw my Rotring pen in trash, after first use!, Uni-Pin is king for me...
Let's all have a moments silence for the Rotring that was thrown in the trash............ good now we can draw.
@@Ashsibe haha xD thats true! i even break it , so that noone can use it again, if they find it in garbage,, it was like 10 years ago! its not even made for drawing or artist i think it was made for technical drawing! like blueprints and architects! i learned that
Technical pens destroy the paper as there is not ball or felt tip. The steel rips the paper, so it is not an enjoyable experience and you need to be careful
You're doing it wrong, you need a hard smooth paper and then the pen glides across the paper without a problem