I'd love the RDNA4 product stack to be varied and interesting like RDNA2. Rx 6000 series was so awesome to me, that's when I started first learning about PC gaming: I'd love, in terms of performance, this: -Rx 8500 = rx 6600 xt-rx 6650xt /rtx 3060 12gb - Rx 8600 = Rx 6700 10gb -Rx 8700= Rx 6750 xt - Rx 8700 xt = Rx 7700xt/rx 6800 -Rx 8800 = Rx 7800xt -Rx 8800 xt = Rx 7900gre. And the pricing should be around the CURRENT pricing, as off November 2024. Max GPU cost of £700 for highest RDNA4 sku. Imagine if AMD did that. With better production features , more fleshed out AV1 codec, power efficiency of Rtx 40 series. Even if the ray-tracing is say, 80%-90% as good as 40 series ray-tracing. That'll be quite nice. And please, at least FSR 3.1 in dozens to dozens more games please (minimum 3.0).
$250, 12GB Vram and they claim 10% better performance than the 4060 at 1440p. If the drivers are good and if they’re honest about the performance metrics - this could be a good card. I’m hopeful.
The RT performance is a moot point because RT is so bad even on the 4060 that it's pretty useless. I'd rather increase the graphics settings and have decent FPS than use RT with these low end GPUs. For a decent RT experience you need a 4070ti at least. So the battle mage card is pretty appealing to gamers at this price range.
That's a big IF. Even though Intel has released so many updates, Arc drivers were consistently shit. So the best advice is to wait and let other people be their beta testers.
@@cloudboogie Definitely a big IF. But it’s the best chance we got at having good mid-low end cards again. Nvidia and AMD have been both giving us 8GB and 128-bit bus width slop for generations now.
I might buy a couple b580's for some budget builds to support this intel market. The less we buy the expensive crap, the more we will get better pricing.
@@hilihkintil6789the gtx1660ti draws 120w max(according to google search) and the arc b580 will draw a max of 190w(according to google search) im 99% positive your power supply is enough. I can read what my entire gaming setup draws in watts because i have a UPS battery that tells me that i draw just over 500W (im playing BeamNG right now with 16 ai cars at 4k resolution. Drawing maximum 512W from the wall) from the wall while gaming, and thats with my RTX3070ti, ryzen 7 5800x, 3 gaming monitors and a pair of speakers. If my entire 1440p gaming setup draws less wattage than your PSU can supply, then theres no reason it won't work out for you.
i... don't think it is. Nvidea isn't selling $1000+ graphics cards to people that can't afford them you know? People that buy budget gpu's were never in the market for a 4080 or 90. Sad reality, but it is what it is. I'm not saying it is a good thing, so don't @ me.
Most will still get whatever slop Nvidia produces, because it says "RTX" on it. RTX must mean good, right? I am not joking, most of my friends only know Intel Core i3 bad, i5 good, i7 baller, i9 bonkers. Ryzen good. Nvidia GTX and RTX good. I could sell them an e-waste computer from 2011 just telling them the specs and they would go home thinking they got an amazing deal. This is the average "consumer". I thought it was a stupid word, but no, really it is genius. 99% of people just mindlessly consume whatever you give them, so long as you have enough marketing fluff to shove down their throats.
*bae has a big question, bae uses the intel iris Xe dg {asus} card to install on the celeron PC on bae channel,bae download the graphic card driver on the shengqi page. When only that card is plugged in, the screen is black. But when plugged in with Arc a750 (only plug the riser into the pcie with the auxiliary power cord, not plugging in the display output) plug in the display output by display port of the iris vga, the pc can be used and it is still receiving iris. The graphic Xe can use so much %, i also tested the card loading 100%, and the arc does not plug in the display output so in gpu 2 it says 0%. That means my celeron PC is definitely using the iris card. But bae does not understand that since til now,i still cannot let the machine run on only the iris card every time i remove the arc, the screen is black even though it is clearly not plugging in any kind of display and using display by Asus iris dg. Bae asked a lot of people in Vietnam but it seems like only I have encountered this situation in my country. I hope someone has an answer to help me because since then I have tried many ways like changing the pcie slot or trying to insert a different card with iris but nothing is working. If you knows the sistuation or anyone who capable of dealing with this, please contact f.b bae bê*
everyone saying they want more competition, yet they arent buying the competition, instead just wanting the prices of their favourite brand to go down due to competition so they could buy them
Problem with AMD is that they never really release anything amazing when it comes at price to performance, they always try to undercut Nvidia by the smallest margin so people are not really incetivised to switch. The reality is that AMD graphics architecture sucks right now and they don't even beat Nvidia in rasterization nevermind the ray tracing gimmick and on top of that, AMD is not even selling their product cheap either.
Id happily buy any brand that has features comparable to nvidia, DLSS alone will keep me buying nvidia cards, I’ll always wait for discounts or buy second hand though
The Battlemage B580 represents the best value GPU I've seen in 12 years of PC gaming. A huge reason some of my friends don't play on PC is because they say it's too expensive. This will change that.
@@allxtend4005 You'll never find an RTX 3060TI used or new for 150-200$ in my country. This is an ignorant comment. Also used will not have any warranty.
Even if their performance up to their benchmark, you're still paying for new technology price. Unlike their competitor Intel GPU won't support most program or if they support it. It will be slightly later than AMD or NVIDIA. You can think it like Window phone and iOS phone in early 2010s era. Similar performance with slightly better price but no developer try to develop Window app.
@@miraichan5292 ohhh so you're saying to NEVER buy an arc GPU? Ahh okay boss, no problem, i guess ill never buy one because "miraichan5292" from youtube comments said so with zero real reasons to actually listen to the advice. Weeaboos dude....i swear. Always acting like they know more than they do.
@@slamkam07 If all you can understand is sarcasm, it up to you but this is what AMD had to face when they try to participate CPU market in mid 2010s and chinese GPU fail to do after U.S. ban chip import. Or maybe history class might be too much for you.
@@miraichan5292 AMD has been i the CPU market since the 70s. I assume you're referencing the Bulldozer CPUs as the Phenom series had excellent bang for the buck into the 2010s. The problem with bulldozer is it came out before multi threading became a mainstream thing. So AMD dun goofed by slashing single core IPC for the sake of better parallel processing. Single threaded games and programs kept the phenom competitive since it had superior single thread capability. So really you could view the bulldozer fiasco as AMD's version of the Pentium 4. Then in 2017 AMD released the Zen architecture which straight up made engineers at Intel crap themselves. The whole history of CPUs has such wild swings over the decades.
There is 0 real need for $250 GPU, without AI capabilities... by the way Nvidia DLSS constantly gets better, so I use it all the time on my RTX 3060, at 1080p it gives great performance. DLSS was hardly usable just one year ago, now I don't play games without it... I think the picture it gives is actually "better than native" for some strange and uncanny reason.
@@thepeasant269 I think the AI peasantry is referring to the lack of marketing and cost involved in the product. These are Apple/Nvidia customers we're talking about, if it doesn't come with an absurd price tag, they won't consider it even if they could afford to-- and then later complain about the abusive ecosystem they buy into.
I don't think scalping will work here. Even Intel seems to think that people will only buy it if it's cheaper than similar cards. More than 8GB might help, but we don't know what AMD and Nvidia will put in that price class.
This is how you do it. Sell products cheap, more sales cause more people can afford it, more money for you. Sell products expensively, less sales, less money for you.
Instead of competition is more like territories. And NVidia still takes the mid-range for any up-coming professional wanting CUDA, they could take it all if they stopped trying to inflate the high end with VRAM gap, but they don't have to as it makes them more money. They purposefully give up ground on the mid to get more profit on the high. NVidia will keep having a monopoly until someone forces them to share CUDA, or someone can get an open-source alternative adopted by most software (doesn't matter if there are alternatives, what matters is the adoption).
Can't believe this was announced 1-2 days after Intel's CEO, Pat Gelsinger, was laid off because the board was getting impatient that the long-term plans weren't paying off quick enough. Crazy.
New CEO needs to show Commitment. Intel can design CPUs, self manufactured said CPUs and now GPUs, so that level of capability can be huge. Plus US made and for USA in this day and age, these chips can be seen as a strategic resource. AMD and Nvidia have waaaaaaaay less overhead to worry about.
I have an 6900 xt and I was thinking to take an a750 or one of thes new b series but I don't know how compatible is with my dual-boot win+Linux system is. I mainly use Linux but I have Windows as a game alternative.
@@glordium1951 Nvidia: "I'm sorry, who are you? I'm on the phone with the prime minister of India, he wants to buy 2 billion dollars worth of AI servers."
I would not be rushing to get one of these before knowing what RDNA4 is capable of. From nVidia I don't expect anything, it's clear they are price gouging everything abusing their market position.
@@Benito650 what? RDNA 3 is capable of AI and FSR 4 is AI based, so RDNA 3 and RDNA 4 will have FSR 4 to use also A770 is 400mm^2 of silicon, it's direct competitor in gaming is 176mm^2 of older node.... A770 was sold at loss as it would be priced at $600 if gaming performance allowed it to
@@Benito650 tbh, i think those frame gen and upscaling technique will be not considered as good thing. Start seeing many people complaing how those make game looks too blurry. But hey, maybe they are just loud minority, who knows..
The thing is Intel doesn't want to compete with Nvidia, if they wanted, they would have put AI in their consumer GPUs... but they don't... they just want to get some scraps at the low end, without actually competing with Nvidia... Intel is basically doing nothing. I don't even think they want to compete with Nvidia... I don't know what they are trying to do... I'm not "exited" about a mediocre Intel "good for nothing" GPU...
Thats Ray Tracing and AI bs for you. Ever since the first generation of RTX cards, nothing looks good anymore in my market, unless I'm buying used and let me tell you, thats a pain in the butt with GPUs.
Yup. Amd, please pick up your shit and actually start inventing something original instead of copying the same exact thing and stripping 50 dollars off. They'll never get their market share if they never try to create their own identity
@@Abhishek__Parihar 1. nice profile pic 2. US calculates tax differently for each state so they actually pay more than that but it varies for each state
Not sure AMD and Nvidia were even listening. They won't, and they shouldn't. Not unless Intel has secured at least 10% of the market share. But good to see Intel still giving it all despite being a flop against Ryzen in the consumer market.
Honestly if you want that Black Friday price just but the parts on eBay. You have to do a little research and ask questions but you will find people selling great cards for a decent price. But like I said you have to do research and make sure they weren't used to mine crypto
@@icegun784 Haha, that's a great reply. 😂 But yeah, GPU prices have risen a lot, there are probably a lot of people, especially teenagers, who would like a decent GPU they can play with for around $200, like it used to be in the past.. Intel could actually deliver that, if you're not playing a lot of old games. Excited to see some benches & tests and what RDNA 4 has to offer!
@@dennisjungbauer4467 absolutely, my gf is one of them. she needs the pc for work related stuff first and foremost, but wants to play stuff like sims for an hour or two sometimes and she simply doesnt care for 144hz and all that jazz.
They should mention with asterisk * that all these prices are specially for USA only, for other countries you have to pay a tiny tax of 100$ on top of the 250$
then buy Chinese cheap products made by slaves, f you. Everything has a price, you will get the same salary as a Chinese worker if you want to have cheap products like them
0:15 Nvidia GTX 1060 0% Ray Tracing, sure the 3GB version didn't support Ray Tracing, but the 6GB version did, I mean compare it to the 6GB at least, I'm sure the Intel Arc B580 doesn't look like a slideshow using it.
They could, its just it was software rendering instead of hardware rendering. Most games have an artificial lock on the RT options for it. Take quake rtx, it could run on the 10 series, very slowly but it ran. A few other games also allowed it.
@Slav4o911 or most people are blind and/or brand loyalist fanboys that can't recognize when one company is offering (pending 3rd-party reviews) actually compelling products at a price point that is actually for the masses. They're not even in the same performance class, which is part of the joke.
@@YRO. The "Finally" implies it's something he's been waiting on. You generally don't go around waiting for things that you don't think are a big deal.
I remember when the GTX x60 were considered mid range and gave you about 60% of the full performance of a gen, for about 200€. Something needs to change and I hope that Intel can start a price undercutting war.
@@xXYannuschXx honestly i don't know about that. The last 2 quarter intel rather stop making their Arc and lose market share rather than sell them cheap to gain market share. With Pat no longer being the CEO intel disrete gpu future will be uncertain. So far intel discrete gpu effort did not bring in any profit to the company.
@@Dan-zm5ik It's like that for the whole of EU, which automatically makes it not a great deal, because for $220-$230 locally I can get second hand RX 6700 XT. Heck I got lucky few weeks back and got 4060 ti for $230 with a year and a half of warranty left. It's DOA at this prices in my opinion, UNLESS their drivers have absolutely no issues. Then I can see agree that the price is decent. That said we all know that Intel will have driver issues and will continue to have driver issues for at least a couple more generations. It's innevitable. I hope that they will prove me wrong, but I'm not holding my breath.
@@ActuallyNotARobotpeople want to run those old game with not just high FPS but also rock solid stability. This is one thing that contribute to nvidia domination. Even if they are a bit slower on newer games but they are the most stable accross various of games not just some new or triple A games.
250$ for a 12gb vram gpu is really not bad; and as long as performance is close to the competition or slightly better at lower price, that s a W for consumers
this is entry level, intel doesnt know what they are doing or how to do it tbh, they fired their ceo last night, company is falling apart and product is not selling, or this works or is cancelled in like 6 months, tbh is a miracle they came with a new set of gpus
@@DenshinIshin It's still very capable card for older games and new more casual games... unlike Intel, which is strong, where it doesn't need to be strong... I mean if you want to play the most demanding games you get Nvidia or AMD... not a GPU with broken drivers... that can play just a few new games, that has problems with almost all old games, that gives worse performance and artifacts when it goes out of the "bench stack"...
@@Slav4o911 See, I never said it wasn't. But my point still stand. The fact that it's 8 year old means, that if you bought it all that time ago, you'd still be playing with that "just fine" now. But getting a card that barely compete with it now, even at that low price point, you know you're not going to get the same value out of it and drag it until 2032. See the issue with that? That's a hard pass for many. I'd rather grab a 5060 whenever they release that and pay maybe an extra 100 bucks (the 4060 were 299 msrp as a point of reference, and they obliterate the 1060 6GB models on all points, we're talking way more than double the performance here) and push that for years, than this obsolete DOA piece of e-waste. I wish Intel or anybody else was part of the competition, because it's way more sane for the consumers. But competing with a 8 year old product in the IT industry is not competing at all.
Yeah, low cost is nice and all and I'm sure there's a market for it, but I'm certainly not going to buy a graphics card that has to compete with the likes of gtx 1060 or 1070.
There needs to be more competition and if Intel are bringing in lower end cards at a good price point, then it's a win for the consumer. They'll get better and improve, hopefully muscle in on AMD and Nvidia in the mid and high end at some point.
I think people told them to put AI and put a lot of VRAM in their gaming cards, then if compatibility with Stable Diffusion is done, they might had had a chance, but Intel said no... so they won't sell any GPUs. I mean techies are leading the pack... when people ask me "what to buy", I tell them Nvidia, because I use Nvidia... I can't use Intel at present... I tinker with AI of course. I have no use for Intel "good for nothing" GPU. There are a lot of people like me, and we all use Nvidia... we don't have data centers at our disposal to tinker with AI, so we do what we do with what we have... but people asks us, because they know we're "techies" we know a lot about PCs and so on.
there's multiple ways to to raytracing. Path tracing is extremely expensive, but some games will only do ray traced shadows, or reflections, and also the "resolution" of ray tracing can be changed to impact performance. Another thing that I really want to see devs experiment with that should be less expensive but could provide amazing results is ray traced sounds. So maybe in the future we could have a decent market for lower end ray tracing? probably not considering how lazy game devs are.
@@pinkchckn Audio propagation and ray traced audio has been around since the early 2000s. It's been used in games before, but I don't think it's something many studios worry about.
@blacky5778 if they release b770 16gb vram with same rx 7700xt performance for 330$ that will be fire 🔥 + I hope drivers become stable so people don't be scared
Please wait a couple of months first. Their Arc drivers were truly unstable and even though they have improved now, last gen cards are far from being market ready. Some explained it by issues on hardware side, thus no fix. So please, wait for more reviews and wait for people to beta test those cards. Before buying do a search in complaints on crushes, issues with sleep, issues with multi-monitor setups, extra low performance in some gaming titles.
They are targeting their market that can't afford or won't afford to upgrade from their old 1060 or 1660 card. Nvidia's overpriced 4060 cards have less cores and VRAM than the 3060 12GB with barely any performance uplift from clock speed. What most people want is the B770 which will be around 4070 Super w/ 16GB. And it will own Nvidia low end on productivity. The A770 was stepping on the shoes of the 3080 and beating it in certain applications.
There's nothing to be optimistic about. Intel's graphics card business has failed. They will not continue wasting money developing arc GPUs and selling them at a 40$ loss when they're on the verge of going out of business. Battlemage is the death rattle of arc, they are only selling these cards to try to get atleast something back for the development cost (again, likely at a $40 loss). That, and they already have a contract with TSMC to make chips. They're selling them because they're stuck with them.
@@indrahaseo id rather they just improve raster and vram while keeping the price around the same i dont think fake frames are what people are wanting especially with the added latency
You're talking about a failed product line that will see no more development, battlemage is Arc's death rattle. They are likely selling these cards at a loss of around $40. Having hope in Arc is delusional.
I don't get why your just trusting first party performance claims, this is the same Intel that said the 285k was on par with a 14900k in gaming, and we all know that was a lie.
Talk about hardware all you want, how do we know the drivers work? Happy to see the competition continue though, would be great if this is the one that gets them going.
I guess for people still using the older cards and not feeling a need to upgrade when higher end cards are as expensive as they are, they're saying "Ey, for a lot less you can smoke your old card with ours and get the bells and whistles of the modern models"
I love how Intel is following AMD perfectly. This is the exact same timeline AMD followed with the RX480 8gb card, and it drove up their stock massively, allowing them capital to compete on the enthusiast level. Having similar or better performance than the competing card for slightly less price with double the ram (NVIDIA was still on 3,5 and 4gb back then) for 250 USD. Literally 1:1 strat coy.
Unless they deliver exceptional drivers it's DOA at $250. On the second hand market most people in most countries(sure not all, but most) can find better GPU's for cheaper(RX 6700 XT for example). Also this $250 is for the US. Everyone else will get different prices. EU for example instantly gets 20% VAT(so now it's $300) and then it's up to the local market to fit it where they deem it's the "right" place for that card. For the price I expect it to sell locally for me in the EU, I'm pretty sure I can get a used RX 6800 or it might be slighly more expensive, but vastly better and that's considerng that prices for the 6800/XT went up for me locally in the past 3-4 months or I can get a vastly cheaper RX 6700 XT for roughly $220-$230 that's still better.
if it does a good job for $250, it's hard to argue against that. For a long time consumers have had to wait for sales from AMD to get that and usually still stuck with 8GB
The RX480 destroyed the 1060 in value, while being as fast as the 980. The B580 destroys... WAIT A SECOND, um, MATCHES the 4 year old 3060ti in performance, while being $50 more expensive than the average 3060ti on ebay. So the "RX480 of 2024" is literally *stagnation fighting stagnation*, this is how PC gaming slowly bleeding out.
The 1060 achieve 1080p 60fps in all AAA games for literally years? GPU standards are literally so fucked that we are looking at the B580 as if it is a 1030 class GPU
Are you excited for the new Intel Battlemage GPUs?
Sure, the more choices there are the better is for consumers.
Let's wait for some testing, hoping they are good.
Intel graphics department are really wizards to pull this off
hell no
No! Not at all
I'd love the RDNA4 product stack to be varied and interesting like RDNA2. Rx 6000 series was so awesome to me, that's when I started first learning about PC gaming:
I'd love, in terms of performance, this:
-Rx 8500 = rx 6600 xt-rx 6650xt /rtx 3060 12gb
- Rx 8600 = Rx 6700 10gb
-Rx 8700= Rx 6750 xt
- Rx 8700 xt = Rx 7700xt/rx 6800
-Rx 8800 = Rx 7800xt
-Rx 8800 xt = Rx 7900gre.
And the pricing should be around the CURRENT pricing, as off November 2024. Max GPU cost of £700 for highest RDNA4 sku.
Imagine if AMD did that. With better production features , more fleshed out AV1 codec, power efficiency of Rtx 40 series.
Even if the ray-tracing is say, 80%-90% as good as 40 series ray-tracing. That'll be quite nice. And please, at least FSR 3.1 in dozens to dozens more games please (minimum 3.0).
At least someone is picking up the slack on the low end.
AMD and Nvidia have low-key been treating low-end GPUs horribly
@@NikTek Rtx 3050🤡
I wouldn't call it low key though 😅
@@NikTek Nvidia have been VERY HIGH KEY doing exactly just this.
@@NikTek actually nope. amd is treating the low end gpus horribly. nvidia isn't even treating the low end gpus.💀💀
$250, 12GB Vram and they claim 10% better performance than the 4060 at 1440p. If the drivers are good and if they’re honest about the performance metrics - this could be a good card. I’m hopeful.
The RT performance is a moot point because RT is so bad even on the 4060 that it's pretty useless. I'd rather increase the graphics settings and have decent FPS than use RT with these low end GPUs. For a decent RT experience you need a 4070ti at least.
So the battle mage card is pretty appealing to gamers at this price range.
That's a big IF. Even though Intel has released so many updates, Arc drivers were consistently shit. So the best advice is to wait and let other people be their beta testers.
"10% better performance than the 4060 at 1440p" means 1.1 fps, cus 4060 at 1440p =1 fps
If if if
@@cloudboogie Definitely a big IF. But it’s the best chance we got at having good mid-low end cards again. Nvidia and AMD have been both giving us 8GB and 128-bit bus width slop for generations now.
Ah yes my favorite graph representation
0% = no feature
100% = Feature is available
Real
I mean, it works...
Maybe the difference between not having it and having it is exagerated by the 0% - 100%
I might buy a couple b580's for some budget builds to support this intel market.
The less we buy the expensive crap, the more we will get better pricing.
o7
Carefully, he's a hero
I haven't seen the full sytem requirements, but if it fits my 650W Budget build, i might update my GTX 1660 Ti with this one
I might buy one of these new cards and finally build and set up a media PC in the living room that can also play games when needed.
@@hilihkintil6789the gtx1660ti draws 120w max(according to google search) and the arc b580 will draw a max of 190w(according to google search) im 99% positive your power supply is enough. I can read what my entire gaming setup draws in watts because i have a UPS battery that tells me that i draw just over 500W (im playing BeamNG right now with 16 ai cars at 4k resolution. Drawing maximum 512W from the wall) from the wall while gaming, and thats with my RTX3070ti, ryzen 7 5800x, 3 gaming monitors and a pair of speakers. If my entire 1440p gaming setup draws less wattage than your PSU can supply, then theres no reason it won't work out for you.
Good. GPU prices have been so stupid for 4 years I'm still using a 1070Ti.
Rtx 2000 series also had good price
2060 here, shit's ridiculous, raw performance in rasterised games is about as good as a the 1070ti actually probably slightly worse.
3070 and I still feel ashamed for what I paid.
Get a job
I hope this is a wake up call for the competition.
Not everyone is interested in (or can even afford) obscenely priced $1000+ graphics cards.
i... don't think it is. Nvidea isn't selling $1000+ graphics cards to people that can't afford them you know? People that buy budget gpu's were never in the market for a 4080 or 90. Sad reality, but it is what it is. I'm not saying it is a good thing, so don't @ me.
Yooo scattervolt , I really hope you will drop a review vid of battlemage gpu when it drops in market
4090 for American gamer 🙃
@@nazul9502well, people buying the 8800XT, are in the market for a 4080, but at the price of a 4060TI....Soooo 🤷♂️
Most will still get whatever slop Nvidia produces, because it says "RTX" on it. RTX must mean good, right?
I am not joking, most of my friends only know Intel Core i3 bad, i5 good, i7 baller, i9 bonkers. Ryzen good. Nvidia GTX and RTX good. I could sell them an e-waste computer from 2011 just telling them the specs and they would go home thinking they got an amazing deal.
This is the average "consumer". I thought it was a stupid word, but no, really it is genius. 99% of people just mindlessly consume whatever you give them, so long as you have enough marketing fluff to shove down their throats.
I just want more competition 😅
Ppl just say that, so they can hopefully buy Nvidia at lower prices.
I hope😂 you mean it. Lol
@@chrissimao14 well offcourse it makes it better for consumers when there isnt only 1 brand. But i got myself amd gpu and its great, really happy.
Me too
no competition if no one buys.
*bae has a big question, bae uses the intel iris Xe dg {asus} card to install on the celeron PC on bae channel,bae download the graphic card driver on the shengqi page. When only that card is plugged in, the screen is black. But when plugged in with Arc a750 (only plug the riser into the pcie with the auxiliary power cord, not plugging in the display output) plug in the display output by display port of the iris vga, the pc can be used and it is still receiving iris. The graphic Xe can use so much %, i also tested the card loading 100%, and the arc does not plug in the display output so in gpu 2 it says 0%. That means my celeron PC is definitely using the iris card. But bae does not understand that since til now,i still cannot let the machine run on only the iris card every time i remove the arc, the screen is black even though it is clearly not plugging in any kind of display and using display by Asus iris dg. Bae asked a lot of people in Vietnam but it seems like only I have encountered this situation in my country. I hope someone has an answer to help me because since then I have tried many ways like changing the pcie slot or trying to insert a different card with iris but nothing is working. If you knows the sistuation or anyone who capable of dealing with this, please contact f.b bae bê*
everyone saying they want more competition, yet they arent buying the competition, instead just wanting the prices of their favourite brand to go down due to competition so they could buy them
Exactly ! 🤣👍
Problem with AMD is that they never really release anything amazing when it comes at price to performance, they always try to undercut Nvidia by the smallest margin so people are not really incetivised to switch.
The reality is that AMD graphics architecture sucks right now and they don't even beat Nvidia in rasterization nevermind the ray tracing gimmick and on top of that, AMD is not even selling their product cheap either.
P
Of course
Id happily buy any brand that has features comparable to nvidia, DLSS alone will keep me buying nvidia cards, I’ll always wait for discounts or buy second hand though
Facts Buddy
The Battlemage B580 represents the best value GPU I've seen in 12 years of PC gaming. A huge reason some of my friends don't play on PC is because they say it's too expensive. This will change that.
then tell your friend to get a RTX 3060ti for around 150-200$ will have same performance as the B580, where is the problem ? do not cope too hard.
@@allxtend4005 yeah everyones comfortable buying a 2nd/3rd/Xrd hand card and feels no fear in perusing that market.
Rtx 3060ti will have substantially worse performance bruv@@allxtend4005
@@allxtend4005 You'll never find an RTX 3060TI used or new for 150-200$ in my country. This is an ignorant comment. Also used will not have any warranty.
PC is more than a toybox. If you want to play only games and prefer consoles, who gives a fuck
User benchmarks came out, Intel was not lying
Even if their performance up to their benchmark, you're still paying for new technology price. Unlike their competitor Intel GPU won't support most program or if they support it. It will be slightly later than AMD or NVIDIA. You can think it like Window phone and iOS phone in early 2010s era. Similar performance with slightly better price but no developer try to develop Window app.
@@miraichan5292 ohhh so you're saying to NEVER buy an arc GPU? Ahh okay boss, no problem, i guess ill never buy one because "miraichan5292" from youtube comments said so with zero real reasons to actually listen to the advice. Weeaboos dude....i swear. Always acting like they know more than they do.
@@slamkam07 If all you can understand is sarcasm, it up to you but this is what AMD had to face when they try to participate CPU market in mid 2010s and chinese GPU fail to do after U.S. ban chip import. Or maybe history class might be too much for you.
@@miraichan5292 ok weeaboo
@@miraichan5292 AMD has been i the CPU market since the 70s. I assume you're referencing the Bulldozer CPUs as the Phenom series had excellent bang for the buck into the 2010s. The problem with bulldozer is it came out before multi threading became a mainstream thing. So AMD dun goofed by slashing single core IPC for the sake of better parallel processing. Single threaded games and programs kept the phenom competitive since it had superior single thread capability. So really you could view the bulldozer fiasco as AMD's version of the Pentium 4.
Then in 2017 AMD released the Zen architecture which straight up made engineers at Intel crap themselves.
The whole history of CPUs has such wild swings over the decades.
I never thought Intel would be the price to performance hero we needed.
They better sell well since Intel is in a very bad position right now.
I guess they dropped the ceo and just decided to continue with dropping other stuff... 🙈
Is world ending?
Hopefully they won’t start melting by next year
Arc alchemist's been good so far
Don't underestimate the NEED for a sub-$250 graphics card.
I for one am awaiting the benchmarks.
There is 0 real need for $250 GPU, without AI capabilities... by the way Nvidia DLSS constantly gets better, so I use it all the time on my RTX 3060, at 1080p it gives great performance. DLSS was hardly usable just one year ago, now I don't play games without it... I think the picture it gives is actually "better than native" for some strange and uncanny reason.
@@Slav4o911 Dude, Arc GPU has AI capabilities.
@@Slav4o911 It has every single AI gimmick that AMD and Nvidia have
@@thepeasant269 I think the AI peasantry is referring to the lack of marketing and cost involved in the product. These are Apple/Nvidia customers we're talking about, if it doesn't come with an absurd price tag, they won't consider it even if they could afford to-- and then later complain about the abusive ecosystem they buy into.
@@Slav4o911are you daft?
249.99 retail.
699.99 from your local scalper.
"Go bye a PS5 PRO bro"
Even scalpers wont touch this. At scalper prices, you could get 4070.
Scalp scalpers 🗣🔥
Who would scalp intel GPUs lol... if they happen to have driver issues as before the scalpers will choke on their battlemage GPUs
I don't think scalping will work here. Even Intel seems to think that people will only buy it if it's cheaper than similar cards. More than 8GB might help, but we don't know what AMD and Nvidia will put in that price class.
Hell yeah, more competition. Keep it up.
This is how you do it. Sell products cheap, more sales cause more people can afford it, more money for you.
Sell products expensively, less sales, less money for you.
Nvidia: high-end competition
AMD: mid-range competition
INTEL: low-end competition
👍🏻
Except that there isn't really much competition in each tier
Absolutely
Calling nvidia competition is a bit illegal. High end lubeless buttfucking is more on par
Instead of competition is more like territories. And NVidia still takes the mid-range for any up-coming professional wanting CUDA, they could take it all if they stopped trying to inflate the high end with VRAM gap, but they don't have to as it makes them more money. They purposefully give up ground on the mid to get more profit on the high.
NVidia will keep having a monopoly until someone forces them to share CUDA, or someone can get an open-source alternative adopted by most software (doesn't matter if there are alternatives, what matters is the adoption).
Can't believe this was announced 1-2 days after Intel's CEO, Pat Gelsinger, was laid off because the board was getting impatient that the long-term plans weren't paying off quick enough. Crazy.
Soon: discrete gpu on the chopping block.
100% pivot to AI
New CEO needs to show
Commitment.
Intel can design CPUs, self manufactured said CPUs and now GPUs, so that level of capability can be huge. Plus US made and for USA in this day and age, these chips can be seen as a strategic resource. AMD and Nvidia have waaaaaaaay less overhead to worry about.
Their chip has been in the making long before Gelsinger took position, this isn't her work
Old Intel CEO was a joke, a relic of a different time long past. Thank goodness
Someone needs to knock AMD and Nvidia off their price pedestal.
Nvidia amd is a team player
AMD barely sells anything though...
I have an 6900 xt and I was thinking to take an a750 or one of thes new b series but I don't know how compatible is with my dual-boot win+Linux system is. I mainly use Linux but I have Windows as a game alternative.
@@MEMETIZER AMD hasnt been around for like 55 years and they definitely dont make new CPUs and GPUs with competitive performance.
@@MEMETIZERwhich is stupid as they have excellent products, its is an apple to android type of situation.
Imagine if big farma had competition. Anthony from LTT would be doing insulin reviews and benchmarks
They do, its called buying from underground labs/legit chineese/indian labs
@ThePowerOfSAM you're telling me pepsi has competition because some 12 year old girl has a lemonade stand in the middle of Ohio
Is this going to break down like their cpu after a year?
Intel cpu's are superior. Amd lasts a year or 3. I'm still rocking 15 year old intel cpu's in 2 of my machines
@@Feral_Sage I have a AMD APU 4000 and I've been using it for 11 years now, still working.
It's on my list now. Let's see AMD.
AMD : Let's see Nvidia
@@fajaradi1223 Nvidia: let's see ur pocket
@@glordium1951 Your pocket: let's see your kidneys
@@glordium1951 Nvidia: "I'm sorry, who are you? I'm on the phone with the prime minister of India, he wants to buy 2 billion dollars worth of AI servers."
Impressive. Very nice.
Let's see AMD's card.
I would not be rushing to get one of these before knowing what RDNA4 is capable of.
From nVidia I don't expect anything, it's clear they are price gouging everything abusing their market position.
amd doesn't have ai cores, so their fsr and frame gen is mediocre compared to intel and nvidia also for productivity tasks like blender it struggles.
Let´s wait and see what happens to their drivers, there is hope but Intel is still green in this game.
@@Benito650 they have in the 7000 series, it's just that they're still dormant because AMD doesn't want to rush out AI-powered FSR.
@@Benito650 what? RDNA 3 is capable of AI and FSR 4 is AI based, so RDNA 3 and RDNA 4 will have FSR 4 to use
also A770 is 400mm^2 of silicon, it's direct competitor in gaming is 176mm^2 of older node.... A770 was sold at loss as it would be priced at $600 if gaming performance allowed it to
@@Benito650 tbh, i think those frame gen and upscaling technique will be not considered as good thing. Start seeing many people complaing how those make game looks too blurry.
But hey, maybe they are just loud minority, who knows..
Good. Can’t wait to see the actual benchmarks.
hey, I'm willing to try anything at this point. I'm so tired of GPU prices $800-$900 every year
yeah, i remember my eintire first pc costing that much and having decent performance...
I'm kinda curious how this card would perform using the upcoming steam OS update
The more competition, the better.
GPU prices have been ridiculously inflated for way too many generations.
The thing is Intel doesn't want to compete with Nvidia, if they wanted, they would have put AI in their consumer GPUs... but they don't... they just want to get some scraps at the low end, without actually competing with Nvidia... Intel is basically doing nothing. I don't even think they want to compete with Nvidia... I don't know what they are trying to do... I'm not "exited" about a mediocre Intel "good for nothing" GPU...
Thats Ray Tracing and AI bs for you. Ever since the first generation of RTX cards, nothing looks good anymore in my market, unless I'm buying used and let me tell you, thats a pain in the butt with GPUs.
its not competition if you can't make enough cards to actually compete.
I am sitting here rooting for intel to be successful because we want more affordable products, what a time to be alive.
The thumnail is masterful. The AMD guy peeking at the Nvidia guy to see how he acts and then follow.
Yup. Amd, please pick up your shit and actually start inventing something original instead of copying the same exact thing and stripping 50 dollars off.
They'll never get their market share if they never try to create their own identity
@@abyssmage6979 Their recent cpus destroyed intel. Dunno what your talking about. But their gpu side is weak.
US: 250$
the rest of the world: 300$-400$
The US price is without tax, the rest of the world price is with the import fees and the tax included.
@@Megalomaniakaal why is it without tax for US ? US is also gonna import this from china or intel started local manufacturing ?
@@Abhishek__Parihar 1. nice profile pic
2. US calculates tax differently for each state so they actually pay more than that but it varies for each state
@DaybreakPT it's like 10-20% so still pretty good. Not for them though since minimum wage is terrible compared to other countries
in brazil shit costs thrice or even more
Not sure AMD and Nvidia were even listening. They won't, and they shouldn't. Not unless Intel has secured at least 10% of the market share. But good to see Intel still giving it all despite being a flop against Ryzen in the consumer market.
I really do hope this is the start of cheaper GPU options. The Black Friday Sale was horrible.
Black Friday sales have been a scam for a while now.
In my country it was allways a scam.
@@connorjohn5013 Yeah I've heard in some places they'd secretly raise the price of items months before hand so the "sales" look better lol
Honestly if you want that Black Friday price just but the parts on eBay. You have to do a little research and ask questions but you will find people selling great cards for a decent price. But like I said you have to do research and make sure they weren't used to mine crypto
Gosh I miss Top Gear. The real Top Gear.
That was a Grand Tour clip, but yeah I miss them too
Have you watched Jeremy's farming show? It's actually really good 👍
@queueeeee9000 It's such a great show!
The only Top Gear.
Overrated show but pretty ok
Rooting for Intel need some good low budget GPUs.. I can't afford to buy a GPU that costs me more than my pc
Wish granted. GPU price stays the same, but the rest of the PC costs more
@@icegun784 monkeys paw
@@icegun784 Haha, that's a great reply. 😂
But yeah, GPU prices have risen a lot, there are probably a lot of people, especially teenagers, who would like a decent GPU they can play with for around $200, like it used to be in the past..
Intel could actually deliver that, if you're not playing a lot of old games. Excited to see some benches & tests and what RDNA 4 has to offer!
@@dennisjungbauer4467 Used 3080s are around $300 now. Still a dam good card as well. Though people are afraid of "used cards".
@@dennisjungbauer4467 absolutely, my gf is one of them. she needs the pc for work related stuff first and foremost, but wants to play stuff like sims for an hour or two sometimes and she simply doesnt care for 144hz and all that jazz.
Not enough competition, we need more! more!!!
I never thought I'd be rooting for Intel. 2024 has been a wild year.
They likely will not pull this off
@@CovenantAgentLazarus It's already a success, sold out pretty much every restock and way beyond what the intel team were expecting to sell.
They should mention with asterisk * that all these prices are specially for USA only, for other countries you have to pay a tiny tax of 100$ on top of the 250$
Same thing generally applies to prices of all other cards, so if they are showing 250 vs 300 usd , will be be 350 vs 400 eu for europe etc.
Also applies to US since the VAT is calculated per state so all product prices are pre tax anyway...
Afortunadamente tengo familia en EUA que me puede traer el paquete
Also they are made outside of the US so if Trump puts tarrifs on there's that too for US buyers.
America, fuck yeah!
Intel fanboys 🤡
Amd fanboys 🤡
Nvidia fanboys 🤡
People who wants competition 🗿🗿
moral of the story: don't buy the brand, buy the product.
@@Benito650 Amen!
@@Benito650 I'd buy the brand but I'm missing few billions of $.
then buy Chinese cheap products made by slaves, f you. Everything has a price, you will get the same salary as a Chinese worker if you want to have cheap products like them
People who keep spamming competition : 🤡
We know we get it
0:15 Nvidia GTX 1060 0% Ray Tracing, sure the 3GB version didn't support Ray Tracing, but the 6GB version did, I mean compare it to the 6GB at least, I'm sure the Intel Arc B580 doesn't look like a slideshow using it.
Bro what are you even talking about? Even the GTX 1080 Ti cant do Ray-Tracing
They could, its just it was software rendering instead of hardware rendering. Most games have an artificial lock on the RT options for it. Take quake rtx, it could run on the 10 series, very slowly but it ran. A few other games also allowed it.
@@kelvinminnaar9385software rendering uses the CPU, the graph is talking about hardware rendering
troll
@@4maticeperformance4doorcoupe I was able to run the Quake 2 RTX demo on my 1660; it was an unplayable slideshow but it was sure neat to look at
This is amazing. I genuinely love this video haha
So glad someone is actually making GPU's that people can afford
RTX 5090: I am inevitable.
ARC B580: I am in stock.
You should do a follow-up to that old (and missing?) Snotty Boy Glow Up GPU edition with these.
Yeah, wonder why 5090 will be out of stock, but B580 will be in stock, maybe because one is good and the other is... 🤡
@Slav4o911 or most people are blind and/or brand loyalist fanboys that can't recognize when one company is offering (pending 3rd-party reviews) actually compelling products at a price point that is actually for the masses.
They're not even in the same performance class, which is part of the joke.
@@Slav4o911 the 5090 mines crypto. The other plays games.
@@lanceislateagain that guy is just an Nvidia fanboy lmfao
@@lanceislateagain that guy is just an Nvidia fanboy lmfao
Finally a card with a badass model name. Maybe we can go back to putting wizards and hot chicks on boxes.
OMG, the last GPU that i know off having a hot chicks in the box is GT 240 and Ati Radeon 4850
How is that a big deal to you?
@Linesweeper Cool things are cool, hot women are hot. If you don't like them you're verifiably lame and gay.
@@LinesweeperWhat makes you think it's a big deal to them? Simply commenting on it doesn't mean it matters that much.
@@YRO. The "Finally" implies it's something he's been waiting on. You generally don't go around waiting for things that you don't think are a big deal.
I remember when the GTX x60 were considered mid range and gave you about 60% of the full performance of a gen, for about 200€. Something needs to change and I hope that Intel can start a price undercutting war.
They still give you about that, but we should exclude 4090, it's not a typical consumer card. 4090 is more like the old Titan class.
@@Slav4o911 Titan was still close to the XX80 TI. 4090 is twice as many cores as the 4080
@@xXYannuschXx honestly i don't know about that. The last 2 quarter intel rather stop making their Arc and lose market share rather than sell them cheap to gain market share. With Pat no longer being the CEO intel disrete gpu future will be uncertain. So far intel discrete gpu effort did not bring in any profit to the company.
@@Slav4o911 Yes it is a regular consumer card. Nvidia shifted the entire GPU range up two times. What was once the x80 is now the x90.
Glad to see more competition on the market
It’s about time they get some competition for pricing.
At $249 is crazy !
🤡
@@brazilpaes dont be a fool
In my country, that will be like $50 to $100 more due to taxes.
@@Dan-zm5ik same goes for mine, sad
@@Dan-zm5ik It's like that for the whole of EU, which automatically makes it not a great deal, because for $220-$230 locally I can get second hand RX 6700 XT. Heck I got lucky few weeks back and got 4060 ti for $230 with a year and a half of warranty left.
It's DOA at this prices in my opinion, UNLESS their drivers have absolutely no issues. Then I can see agree that the price is decent. That said we all know that Intel will have driver issues and will continue to have driver issues for at least a couple more generations. It's innevitable. I hope that they will prove me wrong, but I'm not holding my breath.
Intel claims 24% over the A750 on average.
I said earlier the B580 is gonna be around a 3060 12GB so... I'm going to eat my hat now.
Dont do anything yet, wait for real unpaid reviews first
Now let's compare them in old games, I'm sure RTX 3060 12GB is going to beat any Intel card.
@@Slav4o911Old games ain't no benchmark bruh. Literally everything can run with old games.
@@ActuallyNotARobot Unless it wasn't updated to function at all. xD
@@ActuallyNotARobotpeople want to run those old game with not just high FPS but also rock solid stability. This is one thing that contribute to nvidia domination. Even if they are a bit slower on newer games but they are the most stable accross various of games not just some new or triple A games.
It's not the card that is bad , it's the price of the card .
I hope fanboys understand this
If the drivers are decent and the charts shown unbiased then 250 is a pretty good price for the card.
250$ is a good price for all that
250$ for a 12gb vram gpu is really not bad; and as long as performance is close to the competition or slightly better at lower price, that s a W for consumers
Of course, if you live in a country where they give you everything on a silver platter, in Latin America there is not much advantage. 😂
@@prehistorymysterycorporations taking advantage of countries with weaker currency.
Competition truly is amazing.
How do you find videos that fit the GPU videos so good?
This is actually a hilarious U turn i'm curious to see where it will end up in real life perfs
Everybody wants intel to succeed and more competition but how are they going to compare it to a 1060 and 1660super😂
this is entry level, intel doesnt know what they are doing or how to do it tbh, they fired their ceo last night, company is falling apart and product is not selling, or this works or is cancelled in like 6 months, tbh is a miracle they came with a new set of gpus
The GTX 1060 is 8 year old at this point. It's pretty sad to see.
@@DenshinIshin It's still very capable card for older games and new more casual games... unlike Intel, which is strong, where it doesn't need to be strong... I mean if you want to play the most demanding games you get Nvidia or AMD... not a GPU with broken drivers... that can play just a few new games, that has problems with almost all old games, that gives worse performance and artifacts when it goes out of the "bench stack"...
@@Slav4o911 See, I never said it wasn't. But my point still stand. The fact that it's 8 year old means, that if you bought it all that time ago, you'd still be playing with that "just fine" now. But getting a card that barely compete with it now, even at that low price point, you know you're not going to get the same value out of it and drag it until 2032.
See the issue with that? That's a hard pass for many. I'd rather grab a 5060 whenever they release that and pay maybe an extra 100 bucks (the 4060 were 299 msrp as a point of reference, and they obliterate the 1060 6GB models on all points, we're talking way more than double the performance here) and push that for years, than this obsolete DOA piece of e-waste.
I wish Intel or anybody else was part of the competition, because it's way more sane for the consumers. But competing with a 8 year old product in the IT industry is not competing at all.
Yeah! more competition baby🥳
Nice. Let's see Paul Allen's graphics card.
I love how the performance slide shows comparison with a 1060, and the price slide comparison with a 4060 :D
Yeah, low cost is nice and all and I'm sure there's a market for it, but I'm certainly not going to buy a graphics card that has to compete with the likes of gtx 1060 or 1070.
S/O RDC!!! I one even know what this video about but I seen my boys in the thumbnail 🙌🏾
There needs to be more competition and if Intel are bringing in lower end cards at a good price point, then it's a win for the consumer. They'll get better and improve, hopefully muscle in on AMD and Nvidia in the mid and high end at some point.
I''ll wait for a GN's review on actual performance and see driver stability but im optimisitc. Intel really needs a win after getting L after L
I think people told them to put AI and put a lot of VRAM in their gaming cards, then if compatibility with Stable Diffusion is done, they might had had a chance, but Intel said no... so they won't sell any GPUs. I mean techies are leading the pack... when people ask me "what to buy", I tell them Nvidia, because I use Nvidia... I can't use Intel at present... I tinker with AI of course. I have no use for Intel "good for nothing" GPU. There are a lot of people like me, and we all use Nvidia... we don't have data centers at our disposal to tinker with AI, so we do what we do with what we have... but people asks us, because they know we're "techies" we know a lot about PCs and so on.
@@Slav4o911 Holy shit no one cares about AI. stop spamming replies about it
Damn that sounds like the beginning of something good
About fucking time that a new competitor jumps into the ring
Intel CPUs: We overheat and are just 14nm but with extra steps
Intel GPU: Did someone say low end
14nm+++++++++++++++++++++++++
never forget Intel would still be selling quadcores if they could. Nvidia is doing the equivalent with VRAM now.
What is your definition of "low end" ??
I hope they make i10 cpus
@@naipigidi low specs
ray tracing and low end GPU really doesnt go hand in hand.
Well Nvidia isn't doing any better in that segment🙏😭
@@GustaviustwinkelberryExactly. If a 4090 drops a bunch of frames because of ray tracing, then a low end card will barley function.
there's multiple ways to to raytracing. Path tracing is extremely expensive, but some games will only do ray traced shadows, or reflections, and also the "resolution" of ray tracing can be changed to impact performance. Another thing that I really want to see devs experiment with that should be less expensive but could provide amazing results is ray traced sounds.
So maybe in the future we could have a decent market for lower end ray tracing? probably not considering how lazy game devs are.
12gb VRAM and local AI go very well together, though. 🔥
@@pinkchckn Audio propagation and ray traced audio has been around since the early 2000s.
It's been used in games before, but I don't think it's something many studios worry about.
What about drivers? Still bad?
And is b580 the best one?
Or b770 coming?
that's possible bad one
According to gamers nexus Drivers have improved substantially and there is no news regarding b770 or 750 yet.
@blacky5778 if they release b770 16gb vram with same rx 7700xt performance for 330$ that will be fire 🔥 + I hope drivers become stable so people don't be scared
@@blacky5778it's probably going to be around Q2 2025
Still garbage. They only fixed the complete hangs, but performance is still trash and games are full of glitches.
Love it, bring more competition to the market, that's how u get new and better shit !!!!!!
This looks like a win for budget gamers *IF* the performance actually matches their pitch.
budget segment is important too.
more competition is better for everyone
Never expected that Nvidia and AMD are sitting in the same Room 😂😂
Ceo of both company's are related.
Did you notice the side eye AMD gave Nvidia? lol
I will be getting that B580. It's crazy how much value that card has at an affordable price. The low end market seriously needs more cards.
I would wait for independent reviews, not Intel PR before deciding.
@@simonwatkins999 You're right
Please wait a couple of months first. Their Arc drivers were truly unstable and even though they have improved now, last gen cards are far from being market ready. Some explained it by issues on hardware side, thus no fix. So please, wait for more reviews and wait for people to beta test those cards. Before buying do a search in complaints on crushes, issues with sleep, issues with multi-monitor setups, extra low performance in some gaming titles.
Its not low end its midrange
I'll wait for some reviews, but I'm kinda excited for the B570 and think I'll be picking one up in January.
wish this came out like a week ago, this is exactly what i was looking for
When gpu from 2024 is being compared to gtx1060. You already know enough.
They are targeting their market that can't afford or won't afford to upgrade from their old 1060 or 1660 card. Nvidia's overpriced 4060 cards have less cores and VRAM than the 3060 12GB with barely any performance uplift from clock speed.
What most people want is the B770 which will be around 4070 Super w/ 16GB. And it will own Nvidia low end on productivity. The A770 was stepping on the shoes of the 3080 and beating it in certain applications.
@@NoSpamForYou if you want something like 1070 for the price of 1070 just buy 1070 🙃
@@NoSpamForYou Yeah but price wise it looks comparable to the rtx 3060 but they didn't even compare them
Cautious optimism
There's nothing to be optimistic about. Intel's graphics card business has failed. They will not continue wasting money developing arc GPUs and selling them at a 40$ loss when they're on the verge of going out of business. Battlemage is the death rattle of arc, they are only selling these cards to try to get atleast something back for the development cost (again, likely at a $40 loss). That, and they already have a contract with TSMC to make chips. They're selling them because they're stuck with them.
AMD need to take some market share in GPU, so Nvidia need to rethink
AMD need to adopt AI-accelerated gaming into RX 8000-9000 series like Nvidia RTX 40 series with DLSS
or intel which alredy has better feature set than AMD
@@indrahaseo id rather they just improve raster and vram while keeping the price around the same i dont think fake frames are what people are wanting especially with the added latency
@@benpeters-brown5317 AI is not only about "fake frames".
Here we go bois. Another competitor.
This is awesome. I hope it lives up to the promises since GPU prices have gone crazy in the last few years.
I hope their drivers have improved 10x since the last gen...
We need Intel to slamdunk the competition at this price point.. and hopefully higher.
at least on linux the drivers are good, but ive heard on windows that intel arc drivers suck.
The drivers are much, much better than they were at launch. Far less crashing and bugyness. They still feel bloated, though.
You're talking about a failed product line that will see no more development, battlemage is Arc's death rattle. They are likely selling these cards at a loss of around $40. Having hope in Arc is delusional.
I don't get why your just trusting first party performance claims, this is the same Intel that said the 285k was on par with a 14900k in gaming, and we all know that was a lie.
Welp, this aged like milk
It did not?
Talk about hardware all you want, how do we know the drivers work?
Happy to see the competition continue though, would be great if this is the one that gets them going.
It is a good day to be a budget baller
But it actually can do RT at 1440p playable.
"Starting from 249" watch them fuck up the pricing so the cards will be ass again.
Bruh my geriatric 1660ti laptop from 2020 is the competition????????!?
Edit: ive been humbled
🤣🤣🤣
outperforms 4060 according to Intel
@@KaoPii-Dingus the fact that they even included it in the graph
2020 geriatric... you don't want to see my gaming potato
I guess for people still using the older cards and not feeling a need to upgrade when higher end cards are as expensive as they are, they're saying "Ey, for a lot less you can smoke your old card with ours and get the bells and whistles of the modern models"
If the drivers work this time I’ll give it a shot. We desperately need a 3rd player in the GPU market, especially one that focuses on the budget tier.
If that thing can outperform the 4060 at $50 less, then we got some pretty good competition on our hands
Actually that's not good at all...
I love how Intel is following AMD perfectly.
This is the exact same timeline AMD followed with the RX480 8gb card, and it drove up their stock massively, allowing them capital to compete on the enthusiast level.
Having similar or better performance than the competing card for slightly less price with double the ram (NVIDIA was still on 3,5 and 4gb back then) for 250 USD.
Literally 1:1 strat coy.
Unless they deliver exceptional drivers it's DOA at $250. On the second hand market most people in most countries(sure not all, but most) can find better GPU's for cheaper(RX 6700 XT for example). Also this $250 is for the US. Everyone else will get different prices. EU for example instantly gets 20% VAT(so now it's $300) and then it's up to the local market to fit it where they deem it's the "right" place for that card. For the price I expect it to sell locally for me in the EU, I'm pretty sure I can get a used RX 6800 or it might be slighly more expensive, but vastly better and that's considerng that prices for the 6800/XT went up for me locally in the past 3-4 months or I can get a vastly cheaper RX 6700 XT for roughly $220-$230 that's still better.
I mean all of this is pre tax in US also. So 250 is just MSRP. Depending on state it could be just as high or higher than EU prices.
DOA?
if it does a good job for $250, it's hard to argue against that. For a long time consumers have had to wait for sales from AMD to get that and usually still stuck with 8GB
For real if these cards are good it will be a win for so many people!
And for an extra $200 you can now get a RTX5070 which aparantly has 4090 performance. NVidia did them dirty on pricing!
RTX 5070* and yes you're right
"4090 performance"
Intel is just lying on those high end specs. Blatantly lying.
Let's see what userbenchmark has to say about this
I hope these specs are accurate and they have no degradation in their chips like before. If so this is a good course forward for Intel.
Top Gear and RDCWorld references?
Man, you're an absolute human being
The RX480 destroyed the 1060 in value, while being as fast as the 980.
The B580 destroys... WAIT A SECOND, um, MATCHES the 4 year old 3060ti in performance, while being $50 more expensive than the average 3060ti on ebay.
So the "RX480 of 2024" is literally *stagnation fighting stagnation*, this is how PC gaming slowly bleeding out.
Looking at benchmarks, the B580'd barely hit 60FPS on current gen AAA games using the high preset (Wukong).
@@humanbeing9079 Why would an entry-level card be perfomant with Wukong? I don't feel like this is a fair comparison.
The 3060ti has 8gb of vram 💀
The 1060 achieve 1080p 60fps in all AAA games for literally years?
GPU standards are literally so fucked that we are looking at the B580 as if it is a 1030 class GPU
4 years for the same performance and 4 GB of VRAM?
GDDR6 literally costs $2.3 per GB.
😭😭😭😭😭
Damnit Intel, just make a high performance card
imagine comparing your brand new range to a 1060 ahahahhahah, that line is going to be a dumpster fire
This is the 580 refresh we deserved 4 years ago.
Hopefully they can give us some competition on the high end because that shit needs to be reigned back down under $1k for top end cards.
Praying these cards stick around and Intel won't go under
nah dude
the stock is not arround
i cant even get one
and i dont even know where i can get one
and i dont even know how to buy it one now :(
so sad