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If in the future an alien is able to retrieve one of voyager's golden record, how much would it be worth on his planet in American dollars? (with inflation)
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We know , it it connects with the other and becomes Nomad Then it wanders through the universe seeking to sterilize imperfect life forms Then Kirk uses trecky logic and it blows itself up never to be heard from again Until the many episodes and movies later then it returns as V-GER
@@Solnoric Just imagine, in the far distant future, an alien civilisation intercepts Voyager ... A relic from a long-dead civilisation ... A "pale blue dot," called "Earth." 😭
We all know the answer to this…. Voyager will fall into a black hole and emerge on the far side of the galaxy where it will meet a very advanced race of machines. They will give Voyager an immense cloud vessel and send it back across the galaxy to find its creator.
My father worked at the Cornell University Theory Center alongside Carl Sagan on the Voyager projects. He was one of many on Sagan's team. Cornell's Theory Center is where the gold records were created. At the time, the center had one of the world's largest super computers. My dad passed in 2012 and it makes me proud to know that he was apart of something like this.
@@Space_Rebel Thanks bro. I've thought about that too. My dad had his hands on the only man-made object to leave our solar system. Somehow it feels, in a weird way, like he'll live on forever.
Its mind boggling to me how we managed to get so far and so fast in the 60s and 70s. We went in the 1800s from no trains, no cars, no flight, could not even mass produce various metals.. to building space craft and slingshoting around planets. Madness, what a species we are.
Eh, the industrial revolution took place during the 1800's... there were cars, trains, and the introduction of mass production of multiple products, including metals. And hot air balloons were first flown in the late 1700's...AKA flight.
I believe that was a reference to The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, which described our location in the galaxy as the unfashionable end of a spiral arm.
How is it that the Democrats (ie: the Clintons) can create hurricanes in Florida but can’t master travel at the speed of light (or slightly below it)? This all smells of BS to me. They can reach Alpha Centauri but are clearly choosing not to. Lock her up!
Many million years from now one of the Voyagers will be in a science museum on some planet unspeakably far away from here. There will be a sign in front of the display in a language we can't interpret that translates to "This object was found adrift in space and recovered. It is our best evidence for existence of alien civilizations".
I hope he's not sleeping, that would be a terrible waste. I hope he's hitchhiking his way around the galaxy before going on an intergalactic cruise in his office.
It's so infuriating they cut out missions that were only possible ONCE every 175 years because some politicans didn't want to sign away a few billion dollars, even if the Voyagers later more or less accomplished the original goals.
I wonder what cost so much in the early 1970's that the US did not want to spend billions of extra dollars for a extra space probes. Cough Vietnam war Cough.
You do realize that’s an incredible amount of money, tax payer money, to spend on something with little tangible return on investment right? Their reticence is completely understandable.
People are forced to pay for these junklets for state employed engineers. It is fundementally immoral. Why don't you start a private space explorationcompany so that enthusiasts like you can pay for it out of your own pockets?
The planets are all still accessible, but not in one mission. Space probes are routinely launched by various countries. Also, with better technology, they can reach those places faster.
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In my opinion and simple calculation (with some assumptions of course), *HUMAN TRAVEL TO PLANETS IN PROXIMA IS IMPOSSIBLE* .... Because: 1. Voyager 1 and 2 need to carry 22 kg of PLUTONIUM 238. While to get to Proxima requires *50 TONS of PLUTONIUM 238* .... 2. With current technology, Voyager 1 and 2 are capable of traveling at a speed of 20km per second. Suppose there is Voyager 3, carrying humans traveling at a speed of 25km per second, *IT WILL ARRIVE AT PROXIMA AFTER 50 THOUSAND YEARS!* 3. If the speed is increased to *250 km per second* , it will arrive there in *5000 YEARS* ... The fastest spacecraft speed today is *SOLAR PROBE = 195 km per second.* 4. If the speed is 9500 km per second* , then it will take *2500 years* and if the plane is at a speed of *1000 km per second* , it will still take *1200 years!* .... 5. WARP speed is fiction, because *THERE ARE NOTHING FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT* (speed of light = 300 thousand km per second). So, 1200 years is need *TENS OF HUMAN GENERATIONS* .... Not to mention the provision of food, clothing, etc. There needs to be a factory, school, hospital in the plane that humans board to go to Proxima. *THAT IS THE REASON OF MY THINKING WHY IMPOSSIBLE FOR HUMANS TO GO TO PROXIMA* ....
If we invented spacecraft that could travel far, far faster than them I wonder if it'd be worth it to go get at least one of them, say Pioneer 11, to study the effects of however long it had been out there. Also nice _Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy_ reference. :)
We think that we live for a long time, marvelling at our average lifespan of 78 years. Yet, it eventually becomes clear that we are just blips on a tiny scale, compared with the age of the universe.
At $1 billion the Grand Tour would have been peanuts compared to the money America threw at the Vietnam War which is around $120 billion over eight years.
Now calculate the cost of the welfare state. Then add the cost of illegal immigrants. Add institutional government corruption. If that won't buy a gold plated Mars colony then I a monkey's uncle.
It is estimated America is spending 12 billion a month to house and feed the 10 million illegal aliens the Biden /Harris administration has let into this once great country. Think about it come November 5th.
@@rubiks6 Same question about the Vietnam War. At least space techs make their way back to earth, think survival blankets, disposable diapers, moon boots, and the list goes on and on.
I've been a passionate amateur astronomer since the age of 12...and I'll never forget the first color photos of Jupiter (my favorite planet telescopically) returned by the Pioneer probes. That little ovoid disk I'd always seen through the eyepiece...with it's bands of clouds and storms and the GRS just visible...was suddenly revealed as such a huge, colorful and dynamic place. I thought it was fantastic...and it was. And we have now visited every planet in the solar system...have probes orbiting planets even now; and rovers driving over the landscape of Mars. We've visited comets and landed on asteroids. It's a privilege to be alive to see this.
"And we have now visited every planet in the solar system...have probes orbiting planets even now; and rovers driving over the landscape of Mars." And we found they are all just dead and cold, with nothing but rocks and sand as far are the eye can see, uninhabitable, and in the case of the gas giants- they don't have a surface like we know, and their atmosphere is nothing but deadly gas and life destroying radiation.
"Stars occupy minute amounts of space. They huddle together a few million here, a few million there, as if seeking security in numbers." -- From "The Black Corridor" by Hawkwind.
Look up some of the scale versions models of the solar system and universe. There is a zoom out that illustrates this vastness demonstrably and wow. Btw way you must be British bc you said chemist 😅is that your word for “pharmacist”?
Once we crack superluminal flight, someone will crowdfund a reclamation project to bring them all home. And if you're reading this in the year 2245, I called it first!
I was hoping to hear what shape the Voyagers will be in after billions of years. It's fascinating to imagine that they'll outlast the Sun, but I always wonder if they'll be intact by then. We can't really know, but I'd love it if someone looked into the chemistry, physics, and space science to speculate. What effect will the few atoms in the interstellar medium have? Are there enough micrometeorites to eat away at it after 5 billion years? How long will the golden record be playable?
I've wondered about the same thing for a long time. Interstellar space is mostly empty - but not completely empty and the odd hydrogen molecule, to say nothing of the rarer larger molecules, will hit the craft at incredible velocities. I know the bulk will remain intact until it hits something larger, but what about the spindly arms? How long until they're sufficiently eroded to separate?
Me too. After a period of time (millions of years) whatever atoms, photons, molecules, etc., that have hit it may have worn down its surfaces. The golden record may also have been worn down to a point that it's no longer playable. That shouldn't be an issue, since the folks at NASA didn't provide a golden record player on board. The space aliens will look at the record, then look for the record player. When they don't find one, they'll then forget about even trying to play it since they don't have a Best Buy nearby to buy a record player.
Nothing will happen to them over that time, there's meteorites circulating around for millions, billions of years. I own a couple of pieces of the Arizona meteorite that hit about 50,000 years ago, so pieces of that laid intact that long before being found. And when you think the iron meteorite itself was originally the center of a planet until something happened like a collision between two planets- were talking about billions of years there!
lol yeah I know. Alpha Canis Major or just plain Sirius. Maybe there's a constellation called Sirius that we don't know about, and for some reason it's brightest star got the forth designation, delta?!
@ximalas yeah maybe, though he did say "the brightest star in the night sky", so he was most probably talking about Sirius - just not sure why that delta was slipped in there!
I like the nod to the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. "Far out in the uncharted regions of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the galaxy lies a small, unregarded yellow sun . . ."
Really interesting video, the size of even our own galaxy is just mind blowing. It’s really amazing to think that at some point in the distant future some other life form may come across these earth probes. Our ʻOumuamua perhaps?
I like to imagine that in a trillion years, the aliens will find a peculiar debris in their otherwise tidy cosmic backyard. They'll look at the golden record and be amazed by how ancient it is.
That's nice, but I'm looking for the time code for when the actual answer is provided. Seriously, almost 18 minutes for what should take 18 seconds? Cringe level click bait.
In the far future? I'm guessing our ideas of far future are different. In my far future, all their power sources will have dropped to zero and they'll continue on course until finally striking some particle large enough to do damage.
LOL... I can imagine in the far off future, where all of our "space junk" and "probes" starts raining down on some planet, the inhabitants are going to being say "Who in the hell is flinging this crap at us??!!"
Hi i'm a History buff. I live in the Carina Sag arm of MW. Some of my neighbor's travel the Galaxy and they are antique archeologist's. They bring back antiques alot. I have a busy job so can't travel as much as they do. But I got to see one of antique probes they brought back. It was really old and seemed hilariously Nuclear powered. It's a total centerpiece of their home because of how it used radio waves to communicate. My wife almost spilled tea on it as they use it as a table, the gold record is cool. We are immortal so travel times are insignificant but I prefer to stay home with my mortal friends and because i'm a business manager I cant' travel as much as my neighbors.
Brilliant video. I remember seeing those animations on tv as a kid in the 70's, I thought they were so cool because they easily showed how the probes would slingshot from one planet to another.
Incredible video as always! Thank you Mr. Curious Droid! This put a little bit of perspective into how small we are in the big picture. Mind boggling mind exercise!
Star Trek V showed us that a bored out of his mind Klingon Captain blew it up, even though 300 years into the future it would still be less than a light year from Earth.
We need a video about the pioneer space probes , I know that it’s logical that the voyager space probes overshadowed them but it’s shocking how little they’re known about
I'm not going anywhere. I've got my Linus Pauling vitamin regimen and my giant supply of freeze dried foods to last me that long and longer. I can't wait for that phonograph record from Voyager to come back!
Well think about how many times already in just about 80 years we've ALMOST had WWIII with nukes! so many accidents, including a missile silo with a loaded titan missile in it that exploded because some idiot dropped a wrench off the catwalk and it fell down and damaged a pipe that released the rocket fuel or oxydizer, and they scrambled to try and fix it, managed to lock themselves out of the control room too! Then there's the training plane that accidentally dropped an armed nuke missile I think it was in Georgia, then the Russian computer that had a glitch in the electronics which caused an alert to appear to show incoming US warheads! They were about to launch a counter attack when the glitch was discovered. The US army has dumped many thousands of TONS of deadly sarin gas, mustard gas, missiles, deadly chemicals, grenades and explosives in drums out in the Atlantic off shore, and they admit they dont know where many of those dump sites are located any more! Dumped in the ocean that's still there; The U.S. military dumped chemical weapons, including nerve gas, off the coast of South Carolina in the 1970s: The U.S. dumped chemical weapons, including: 8,050 tons of poisonous gas bombs and mines 1,507 1-ton containers of lewisite, an arsenic compound similar to mustard gas 63, 1-ton containers of nitrogen mustard More than 20 tons of mustard gas bombs, projectiles, mines, and bulk containers The LeBaron Russell Briggs In 1970, the U.S. sunk the LeBaron Russell Briggs, a Liberty ship carrying 12,540 rockets of sarin nerve gas and one container of VX nerve gas, 283 miles off Cape Canaveral From 1964 to the early 1970s, the U.S. Department of Defense's Operation CHASE involved loading munitions onto ships and scuttling them 250 miles offshore." All that stuff is STILL sitting in containers that are rotting away after the now 50+ years in the ocean. It's only a matter of time before ONE person makes a mistake, one renegade nut, or ONE serious glitch happens in the US or Russian or some other country's devices or control systems, and there will be a major launch of nuke weapons, it's virtually guaranteed.
Excellent episode! I don't think I'll ever be able to comprehend the size of our galaxy, let alone the universe. It's no surprise we've developed ego's to compensate for our diminutive status.
I feel like with the voyager probes humanity has achieved immortality cause no matter what happens in this solar system they'll be some little piece of us out there floating around in deep space.
I have been fascinated by the Voyager units from day one….they never stop surprising us. I have a weird sense of outlook I guess because I do truly believe that when our sorry azzes cease to exist, Voyager II will struggle on and be snatched out of the Heavens by the hand of God Himself who will offer a smile and maybe the words “welcome home little tired and worthy traveler”.
I wonder if after all these years, how the finish and appearance of the probes has , does space dust and radiation make it fade, like a 1997 Ford Probe that has seen better days, with faded and rusted paint, and worn emblems? I know rust isnt an issue in space, but that's a thought which intrigues me. I wonder how many years will elapse to were the probes are all fractured and unrecognizable from strut, screw, and structure failure... any guesses? 100 years, 1,000??
@@Chris-hx3om, The fact that there are so different many "Gods" believed by one species on one planet is an indication to how many "Gods" that there actually is.
I suppose if there is any life out there, at some point in the very distant future they might come across one of our probes and wonder where it came from. But it will prob be an Omuamua situation where they will say "what was that ?...ah crap we missed it"
Another brilliant video once again, bravo! You can really see that you take your time for thorough research and top-notch narration/presentation! I was wondering whether you would ever be part of Nebula? Your content would really fit right in there and I'd absolutely love a collab video/project with yourself and Scott Manleh as that would be content we'll worth signing up for!
It’s simply fascinating to think that about the time I was graduating high school in 1979, humans had the technology to develop probes with such endurance. Conceivably, the existence of humankind will have vanished into mass extinction and earth reduced to a cloudless, lifeless rock before perhaps some distant sentient civilization finds the probes and captures a glimpse of our greatness.
Sobering supposition--our technology in deep space will be the only legacy of our species. Puts day to day worries into crisp contrast. Brilliantly done!
Are the stars moving away faster than the voyagers can travel, in others are they destined to travel forever whilst getting farther away from everything?
Depends on the star. The stars in the Milky Way, and the Local Group of galaxies to which Milky Way belongs, aren't expanding as they are bound by gravitational forces. If Voyager were to exit the Local Group as soon as possible, it would take 680 billion years. And yes, at it's speed it would never catch up with any other star or galaxy. It will be like a snail trying to catch up with a speeding train.
I would think in several centuries our technology will evolve so that we can just retrieve these probes and maybe put them in a space museum rather than have them go on indefinitely.
Thank you for a very informative program. I have followed the Voyager spacecraft for years. Never thought anything about the Pioneer space craft and all other. I will be doing some research.
Thank you for this one. Everytime I think about these probes I wondered. Especially after the Star Trek Motion Picture starring V-Ger. Maybe one day they'll make a show starring "Pio" for Pioneer.
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If in the future an alien is able to retrieve one of voyager's golden record, how much would it be worth on his planet in American dollars? (with inflation)
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Awaiting for the return of V-GER.
Well, we got the bald but not the hot girl.😁
We know , it it connects with the other and becomes
Nomad Then it wanders through the universe seeking to
sterilize imperfect life forms Then Kirk uses trecky logic
and it blows itself up never to be heard from again
Until the many episodes and movies later then it returns as V-GER
@@BLD426 haha--ouch!
What about V-GINY?
You'll be waiting a long time.
Well, in 100 billion years from now, there's one thing for sure, the Voyager spacecraft definitely WON'T get any more software updates!
Voyager got more updates than any of my cell phones, ever, combined....
Someone's not watched Star Trek. Voyager comes back in 100 odd years and becomes a pretty hot women
Well, updates from US, at any rate.
Like windows 7 lol
@@Solnoric Just imagine, in the far distant future, an alien civilisation intercepts Voyager ... A relic from a long-dead civilisation ... A "pale blue dot," called "Earth." 😭
We all know the answer to this…. Voyager will fall into a black hole and emerge on the far side of the galaxy where it will meet a very advanced race of machines. They will give Voyager an immense cloud vessel and send it back across the galaxy to find its creator.
V-Ger returns!
I hate to be that guy that was/will be Voyager 6.
And one of the Pioneer probes will be destroyed by a Klingon Bird of Prey
I knew it would be here. Anything Voyager and you get this customary Star Trek comment.
You skimmed past the wormhole part, but I get it.
Unfashionable part of the western spiral arm? Someone bough stock in the eastern spiral arm and want to manipulate prices, I see......
That's a Scooby Doo plot. You plagarist. 😁
@@BLD426 A Scooby Doo plot on a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy quote is not plagiarism. It's meme culture :P
@@andersjjensen You got me. I stand corrected.😁
Douglas Adams’ - Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy
Harmless... until the reality of their littering changed that to "mostly harmless"... 🙂
My father worked at the Cornell University Theory Center alongside Carl Sagan on the Voyager projects. He was one of many on Sagan's team. Cornell's Theory Center is where the gold records were created. At the time, the center had one of the world's largest super computers. My dad passed in 2012 and it makes me proud to know that he was apart of something like this.
cool.
Wow. Your Dad’s work is part of a legacy that will outlast our star.
@@Space_Rebel Thanks bro. I've thought about that too. My dad had his hands on the only man-made object to leave our solar system. Somehow it feels, in a weird way, like he'll live on forever.
Worked alongside, who I think is the greatest man who ever lived, the one and only Carl Sagan.
what did you do with your life? except yap about daddy?
Its mind boggling to me how we managed to get so far and so fast in the 60s and 70s. We went in the 1800s from no trains, no cars, no flight, could not even mass produce various metals.. to building space craft and slingshoting around planets. Madness, what a species we are.
The intelligence focused build of humans is truly overpowered and amazing
That was before the results of the 'dumbing-down' of America (and the rest of the world).
And now we have TikTok!
Eh, the industrial revolution took place during the 1800's... there were cars, trains, and the introduction of mass production of multiple products, including metals.
And hot air balloons were first flown in the late 1700's...AKA flight.
But we can't eradicate malaria, HIV, Cancer types etc.
Being old enough to recall the launches of these marvels, it makes me smile to think they are still out there. Another cracking shirt, sir!
Your shirts prove that our Spiral arm will always be fashionable 😅
I believe that was a reference to The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, which described our location in the galaxy as the unfashionable end of a spiral arm.
the grand tour is simply the MOST IMPRESSIVE
mission NASA ever came up with. I'm a huge fan
I remember waiting for the arrival of voyager at Uranus and Neptune as a little kid
Flandro , an absolute hero and genius:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Flandro
Then why don't you sit in voyager 2 and enjoy the view?
How is it that the Democrats (ie: the Clintons) can create hurricanes in Florida but can’t master travel at the speed of light (or slightly below it)? This all smells of BS to me. They can reach Alpha Centauri but are clearly choosing not to. Lock her up!
Being a huge fan, you must be really cool! yik.
Many million years from now one of the Voyagers will be in a science museum on some planet unspeakably far away from here. There will be a sign in front of the display in a language we can't interpret that translates to "This object was found adrift in space and recovered. It is our best evidence for existence of alien civilizations".
It just blows my mind when I think about the distance these things have travelled.
I love how Hitchhikers just keeps making cameos across the astrophysics and astronomy scene. Sleep well Doug.
I hope he's not sleeping, that would be a terrible waste. I hope he's hitchhiking his way around the galaxy before going on an intergalactic cruise in his office.
Eating at a restaurant at the end of the universe 🙏
It's so infuriating they cut out missions that were only possible ONCE every 175 years because some politicans didn't want to sign away a few billion dollars, even if the Voyagers later more or less accomplished the original goals.
I wonder what cost so much in the early 1970's that the US did not want to spend billions of extra dollars for a extra space probes. Cough Vietnam war Cough.
You do realize that’s an incredible amount of money, tax payer money, to spend on something with little tangible return on investment right?
Their reticence is completely understandable.
@@clydemarshall8095 Little hint: You don't send the money to space. It's used to pay the people who build & launch the craft and the company.
People are forced to pay for these junklets for state employed engineers. It is fundementally immoral. Why don't you start a private space explorationcompany so that enthusiasts like you can pay for it out of your own pockets?
The planets are all still accessible, but not in one mission. Space probes are routinely launched by various countries. Also, with better technology, they can reach those places faster.
Poor Voyager 1. One really is the loneliest number.
But 2 can be as bad as one because it's the loneliest number since the number 1
That was bad. 😁
Not as lonly as me...
The creator is lonely and waiting for rescue. When he wakes up everything will be gone.
Companionship is overrated 🤓
Nice nod to Douglas Adams.
Have towel will travel 😁
The vastness of space always inspires me and at the same time fills me with dread.
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That's completely subjective as this is something that I go to sleep to not something that I watch to get entertained so therefore the algorithm recommended me the wrong video.
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@@Only_Some I know how it works. All that TL:DR is common knowledge. Every time I make a similar comment, someone like you always disregards the fact that TH-cam has control over what they want to say is trending. You're welcome.
I love that you threw in that line from the Hitch Hikers Guide at the end!
I got that HHGTTG reference!
Who gaf
"Everything" is succinctly put into perspective when distance and especially time is the common denominator. How humbling!😮
I always appreciate your straightforward commentary on the subjects you cover. Thanks. - Todd in Rochester, NY.
In my opinion and simple calculation (with some assumptions of course), *HUMAN TRAVEL TO PLANETS IN PROXIMA IS IMPOSSIBLE* ....
Because:
1. Voyager 1 and 2 need to carry 22 kg of PLUTONIUM 238. While to get to Proxima requires *50 TONS of PLUTONIUM 238* ....
2. With current technology, Voyager 1 and 2 are capable of traveling at a speed of 20km per second. Suppose there is Voyager 3, carrying humans traveling at a speed of 25km per second, *IT WILL ARRIVE AT PROXIMA AFTER 50 THOUSAND YEARS!*
3. If the speed is increased to *250 km per second* , it will arrive there in *5000 YEARS* ... The fastest spacecraft speed today is *SOLAR PROBE = 195 km per second.*
4. If the speed is 9500 km per second* , then it will take *2500 years* and if the plane is at a speed of *1000 km per second* , it will still take *1200 years!* ....
5. WARP speed is fiction, because *THERE ARE NOTHING FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT* (speed of light = 300 thousand km per second).
So, 1200 years is need *TENS OF HUMAN GENERATIONS* ....
Not to mention the provision of food, clothing, etc. There needs to be a factory, school, hospital in the plane that humans board to go to Proxima.
*THAT IS THE REASON OF MY THINKING WHY IMPOSSIBLE FOR HUMANS TO GO TO PROXIMA* ....
If we invented spacecraft that could travel far, far faster than them I wonder if it'd be worth it to go get at least one of them, say Pioneer 11, to study the effects of however long it had been out there.
Also nice _Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy_ reference. :)
Only have to wait until April 2151 for the launch of the NX-01.
Damn, what a way to make one feel small and meaningless with the closing remark.
(In a humbling not a derogatory way)
We think that we live for a long time, marvelling at our average lifespan of 78 years. Yet, it eventually becomes clear that we are just blips on a tiny scale, compared with the age of the universe.
VERY insignificant compared to time like 5 BILLION years...
Wow, nobody ever mentions the spin weights! Nice work.
At $1 billion the Grand Tour would have been peanuts compared to the money America threw at the Vietnam War which is around $120 billion over eight years.
Now calculate the cost of the welfare state. Then add the cost of illegal immigrants. Add institutional government corruption. If that won't buy a gold plated Mars colony then I a monkey's uncle.
It is estimated America is spending 12 billion a month to house and feed the 10 million illegal aliens the Biden /Harris administration has let into this once great country. Think about it come November 5th.
But then again, what would it have really accomplished? Would it have brought world peace or ended hunger or cured cancer?
@@rubiks6 Same question about the Vietnam War. At least space techs make their way back to earth, think survival blankets, disposable diapers, moon boots, and the list goes on and on.
@@BioFake1and they dont kill hundreds of housands of people...
I've been a passionate amateur astronomer since the age of 12...and I'll never forget the first color photos of Jupiter (my favorite planet telescopically) returned by the Pioneer probes.
That little ovoid disk I'd always seen through the eyepiece...with it's bands of clouds and storms and the GRS just visible...was suddenly revealed as such a huge, colorful and dynamic place.
I thought it was fantastic...and it was.
And we have now visited every planet in the solar system...have probes orbiting planets even now; and rovers driving over the landscape of Mars.
We've visited comets and landed on asteroids.
It's a privilege to be alive to see this.
"And we have now visited every planet in the solar system...have probes orbiting planets even now; and rovers driving over the landscape of Mars."
And we found they are all just dead and cold, with nothing but rocks and sand as far are the eye can see, uninhabitable, and in the case of the gas giants- they don't have a surface like we know, and their atmosphere is nothing but deadly gas and life destroying radiation.
Space is big.. very big... you might think its a long way to the chemist, but this is nothing comapired to the size of space.... :)
You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is
"Stars occupy minute amounts of space. They huddle together a few million here, a few million there, as if seeking security in numbers."
-- From "The Black Corridor" by Hawkwind.
Look up some of the scale versions models of the solar system and universe. There is a zoom out that illustrates this vastness demonstrably and wow.
Btw way you must be British bc you said chemist 😅is that your word for “pharmacist”?
@@wailingalen 'Chemist' , that was a quote from a book, and yes the author was English
Once we crack superluminal flight, someone will crowdfund a reclamation project to bring them all home. And if you're reading this in the year 2245, I called it first!
Yup, nip out there after breakfast, 'Bye honey' see ya this evening. Might be late, another scrap pick-up.
@@Mrbobinge
Ok dear........
See you at the second hand record shop.
The Grand Tour became an online show about some random three middle-aged men buggering about in cars and boats.
I love it.
I was hoping to hear what shape the Voyagers will be in after billions of years. It's fascinating to imagine that they'll outlast the Sun, but I always wonder if they'll be intact by then. We can't really know, but I'd love it if someone looked into the chemistry, physics, and space science to speculate. What effect will the few atoms in the interstellar medium have? Are there enough micrometeorites to eat away at it after 5 billion years? How long will the golden record be playable?
I've wondered about the same thing for a long time. Interstellar space is mostly empty - but not completely empty and the odd hydrogen molecule, to say nothing of the rarer larger molecules, will hit the craft at incredible velocities.
I know the bulk will remain intact until it hits something larger, but what about the spindly arms? How long until they're sufficiently eroded to separate?
It would be remarkable if we were to have an incounter of a space probe launch 100 million years ago from a plant millions miles away.
Me too. After a period of time (millions of years) whatever atoms, photons, molecules, etc., that have hit it may have worn down its surfaces. The golden record may also have been worn down to a point that it's no longer playable. That shouldn't be an issue, since the folks at NASA didn't provide a golden record player on board. The space aliens will look at the record, then look for the record player. When they don't find one, they'll then forget about even trying to play it since they don't have a Best Buy nearby to buy a record player.
Be funny if the first alien to obtain the golden record thinks it is a frisbee instead of a data storage device.
Nothing will happen to them over that time, there's meteorites circulating around for millions, billions of years.
I own a couple of pieces of the Arizona meteorite that hit about 50,000 years ago, so pieces of that laid intact that long before being found.
And when you think the iron meteorite itself was originally the center of a planet until something happened like a collision between two planets- were talking about billions of years there!
I love thinking about this idea.
Only some old space probes, and some patterned shirts worn by CD will outlive us to bear witness to humankind's existence.
Also, pure gold bars in underground bank vaults and some objects on the Moon.
And Kieth Richards
12:00 I've never heard of Sirius being called Delta Sirius before.
lol yeah I know. Alpha Canis Major or just plain Sirius. Maybe there's a constellation called Sirius that we don't know about, and for some reason it's brightest star got the forth designation, delta?!
Maybe he meant δ Canis Majoris, at RA 07h 08m 23.48608s, dec −26° 23′ 35.5474″.
@ximalas yeah maybe, though he did say "the brightest star in the night sky", so he was most probably talking about Sirius - just not sure why that delta was slipped in there!
I like the nod to the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
"Far out in the uncharted regions of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the galaxy lies a small, unregarded yellow sun . . ."
Really interesting video, the size of even our own galaxy is just mind blowing. It’s really amazing to think that at some point in the distant future some other life form may come across these earth probes. Our ʻOumuamua perhaps?
I like to imagine that in a trillion years, the aliens will find a peculiar debris in their otherwise tidy cosmic backyard. They'll look at the golden record and be amazed by how ancient it is.
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That's nice, but I'm looking for the time code for when the actual answer is provided. Seriously, almost 18 minutes for what should take 18 seconds? Cringe level click bait.
In the far future? I'm guessing our ideas of far future are different. In my far future, all their power sources will have dropped to zero and they'll continue on course until finally striking some particle large enough to do damage.
Actually dust sized particles will erode the probe away far before it hits any larger object by chance.
Now way of knowing when it could hit something substantial.......by chance.
I see/hear a Hitchhiker's Guide quote and I press like.
Very nice and informative video again, by the way. Thank you!
This is why I'm a subscriber, Mr Droid! Loving your content
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So stoked you made this video. The first time I learned about voyager 2 in middle school it absolutely blew mind wide open.
They will probably be eaten by the Mutant Stargoat.
OR land alongside the "B" ark
LOL... I can imagine in the far off future, where all of our "space junk" and "probes" starts raining down on some planet, the inhabitants are going to being say "Who in the hell is flinging this crap at us??!!"
Hi i'm a History buff. I live in the Carina Sag arm of MW. Some of my neighbor's travel the Galaxy and they are antique archeologist's. They bring back antiques alot. I have a busy job so can't travel as much as they do. But I got to see one of antique probes they brought back. It was really old and seemed hilariously Nuclear powered. It's a total centerpiece of their home because of how it used radio waves to communicate. My wife almost spilled tea on it as they use it as a table, the gold record is cool. We are immortal so travel times are insignificant but I prefer to stay home with my mortal friends and because i'm a business manager I cant' travel as much as my neighbors.
Haha, love your humour, loony as mine.
No matter how unpleasant, we must probe Uranus.
2:16 I absolutely love that picture
Brilliant video. I remember seeing those animations on tv as a kid in the 70's, I thought they were so cool because they easily showed how the probes would slingshot from one planet to another.
17:18 ...Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha :)
7:57 I guess Pioneer 10 will the first to taste Aldebaran Whiskey...
this is definition of content with a long shelf life! fantastic ode to this topic and delightfully comprehensive as always
Wow! Truly mind blowing. Still getting my head around the amount of years these machines have been travelling.
Incredible video as always! Thank you Mr. Curious Droid! This put a little bit of perspective into how small we are in the big picture. Mind boggling mind exercise!
Star Trek V showed us that a bored out of his mind Klingon Captain blew it up, even though 300 years into the future it would still be less than a light year from Earth.
It's always good to watch a video where I learn new things. Even better one like this where I learned many many things I didn't know I didn't know.
I trust they've all got 'Don't panic!' stenciled on them...
More like "Passing side" "Suicide" on respective corners.
I loved that tiny little Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy reference at the end.
We need a video about the pioneer space probes , I know that it’s logical that the voyager space probes overshadowed them but it’s shocking how little they’re known about
You truly believe that humans will be long gone in the next 40000 years? That's depressing.
I'm not going anywhere. I've got my Linus Pauling vitamin regimen and my giant supply of freeze dried foods to last me that long and longer. I can't wait for that phonograph record from Voyager to come back!
Maybe even within the next few decades
If we keep going the way we are now, I'd only give us another 100yrs. And that's being VERY generous.
@@batshtcrazy5293 I agree
Well think about how many times already in just about 80 years we've ALMOST had WWIII with nukes! so many accidents, including a missile silo with a loaded titan missile in it that exploded because some idiot dropped a wrench off the catwalk and it fell down and damaged a pipe that released the rocket fuel or oxydizer, and they scrambled to try and fix it, managed to lock themselves out of the control room too!
Then there's the training plane that accidentally dropped an armed nuke missile I think it was in Georgia, then the Russian computer that had a glitch in the electronics which caused an alert to appear to show incoming US warheads! They were about to launch a counter attack when the glitch was discovered.
The US army has dumped many thousands of TONS of deadly sarin gas, mustard gas, missiles, deadly chemicals, grenades and explosives in drums out in the Atlantic off shore, and they admit they dont know where many of those dump sites are located any more!
Dumped in the ocean that's still there;
The U.S. military dumped chemical weapons, including nerve gas, off the coast of South Carolina in the 1970s:
The U.S. dumped chemical weapons, including:
8,050 tons of poisonous gas bombs and mines
1,507 1-ton containers of lewisite, an arsenic compound similar to mustard gas
63, 1-ton containers of nitrogen mustard
More than 20 tons of mustard gas bombs, projectiles, mines, and bulk containers
The LeBaron Russell Briggs
In 1970, the U.S. sunk the LeBaron Russell Briggs, a Liberty ship carrying 12,540 rockets of sarin nerve gas and one container of VX nerve gas, 283 miles off Cape Canaveral
From 1964 to the early 1970s, the U.S. Department of Defense's Operation CHASE involved loading munitions onto ships and scuttling them 250 miles offshore."
All that stuff is STILL sitting in containers that are rotting away after the now 50+ years in the ocean.
It's only a matter of time before ONE person makes a mistake, one renegade nut, or ONE serious glitch happens in the US or Russian or some other country's devices or control systems, and there will be a major launch of nuke weapons, it's virtually guaranteed.
Really glad to see you back in my feed! Thank you.
TWTA = Travelling Wave Tube Amplifier.
Keepin' the downlink alive!
Driod - I think you've posted this before but where do you get your shirts? Your style is as amazing as your content!
Excellent episode! I don't think I'll ever be able to comprehend the size of our galaxy, let alone the universe. It's no surprise we've developed ego's to compensate for our diminutive status.
I feel like with the voyager probes humanity has achieved immortality cause no matter what happens in this solar system they'll be some little piece of us out there floating around in deep space.
Our legacy could just boil down to these probes…or if we’re lucky, we could pick them up and place them in museums on Earth or other planets…
I have been fascinated by the Voyager units from day one….they never stop surprising us. I have a weird sense of outlook I guess because I do truly believe that when our sorry azzes cease to exist, Voyager II will struggle on and be snatched out of the Heavens by the hand of God Himself who will offer a smile and maybe the words “welcome home little tired and worthy traveler”.
I wonder if after all these years, how the finish and appearance of the probes has , does space dust and radiation make it fade, like a 1997 Ford Probe that has seen better days, with faded and rusted paint, and worn emblems? I know rust isnt an issue in space, but that's a thought which intrigues me. I wonder how many years will elapse to were the probes are all fractured and unrecognizable from strut, screw, and structure failure... any guesses? 100 years, 1,000??
The hand of which god?
@@Chris-hx3om, The fact that there are so different many "Gods" believed by one species on one planet is an indication to how many "Gods" that there actually is.
@@gregedwards1087 No, it just means they are ALL made up.
@@gregedwards1087 That would be zero. Just saying.
If you ever played Super Mario 64, there's a rabbit in the basement of the castle. That rabbit is named Mips after that processor company.
Stories like these really help putting things into perspective …
Loved the writing. Thanks for all your effort!
A video actually narrated by a real human being. So refreshing..
I suppose if there is any life out there, at some point in the very distant future they might come across one of our probes and wonder where it came from. But it will prob be an Omuamua situation where they will say "what was that ?...ah crap we missed it"
13:21 “near the speed of light”? Radio signals ALWAYS travel at the speed of light
They won't drop Voyager back until they detect a warp drive signature.
Thank you for your detailed breakdown of some of my favorite space explorers.
Very nice video. Thanks a lot for sharing.
Always a pleasure mr Droid. Thank you
Another brilliant video once again, bravo!
You can really see that you take your time for thorough research and top-notch narration/presentation!
I was wondering whether you would ever be part of Nebula?
Your content would really fit right in there and I'd absolutely love a collab video/project with yourself and Scott Manleh as that would be content we'll worth signing up for!
Excellent Video! The Voyager Space Probes are my favorite subject.👍🏻
Distances between stars are so vast I can't comprehend
It’s simply fascinating to think that about the time I was graduating high school in 1979, humans had the technology to develop probes with such endurance.
Conceivably, the existence of humankind will have vanished into mass extinction and earth reduced to a cloudless, lifeless rock before perhaps some distant sentient civilization finds the probes and captures a glimpse of our greatness.
These artifacts will survive Earth and even the Sun. Amazing.
Sobering supposition--our technology in deep space will be the only legacy of our species. Puts day to day worries into crisp contrast. Brilliantly done!
Excellent video and gentle enough for us non aerospace engineers🚀
Short answer, we may never know what happens to them once their power dies.
That was well researched and Comprehensive.
Thanks!
This is covered in Star Trek the Motion picture already
I’m 60 this year and these cosmic distances and time aren’t getting any easier to comprehend.
Very engaging and educational.
It seems that Mr Paul Shillito is a HHGTTG fan, nice. :)
I most certainly am, so long... and thanks for all the fish :-)
Like me and Arthur Dent he’s British and probably grew up watching the BBC series in the early eighties 👍😃
@@CuriousDroid, and another one, love it, lol.
Are the stars moving away faster than the voyagers can travel, in others are they destined to travel forever whilst getting farther away from everything?
Depends on the star. The stars in the Milky Way, and the Local Group of galaxies to which Milky Way belongs, aren't expanding as they are bound by gravitational forces. If Voyager were to exit the Local Group as soon as possible, it would take 680 billion years. And yes, at it's speed it would never catch up with any other star or galaxy. It will be like a snail trying to catch up with a speeding train.
@@thebluelunarmonkey thank you for that explanation, yes I understand that now.
You know it was just the other day I was idlely wondering how far out new horizons was at this point and you drop this video tonight.
17:18 Like the Hitch-Hikers Guide To The Galaxy reference!
I would think in several centuries our technology will evolve so that we can just retrieve these probes and maybe put them in a space museum rather than have them go on indefinitely.
Thank you for a very informative program. I have followed the Voyager spacecraft for years. Never thought anything about the Pioneer space craft and all other. I will be doing some research.
I always get a warm feeling when someone quotes Douglas Adams.
I had this question yesterday, thank you!
25 million man hours to make that probe? If the average man made $100 per hour, that’s 2.5 billion for just labor. Wow
The ending was a startling perspective on ... us. Whoa.
Thank you for this one. Everytime I think about these probes I wondered. Especially after the Star Trek Motion Picture starring V-Ger. Maybe one day they'll make a show starring "Pio" for Pioneer.