Keeping the hobby alive
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ต.ค. 2024
- Today I'm sharing a small moment where I make my plan to bring my kids into the hobby, and do my part to bridge the generational handoff. Have you brought a friend into magic? Tips would be appreciated!
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I'm Mike, the Alpha Hoarder, and I'm sharing/documenting my wild collection here on YT. Join me while I ramble about old cards and MTG finance, and look at cool stuff.
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Mike the AlphaHoarder @ 375 Carlls Path #73, Deer Park NY 11729
I swung into a small collection obsession about 2 years ago (which is when I found you!) and showed my then 4yo all the stuff I was compiling and putting them into binders and such. I talked a lot about how much it meant to me, and how much fun I had playing when I was a kid, and how cool I thought all the cards were. He didnt pick up interest in, but he was excited to see me excited, and regularly now brings me cards he finds around the house and asks if I like them, or to talk about it.
He doesnt like MtG, but he likes that I like it, and its something we can talk about together. Maybe he'll get into it, maybe he wont! What he knows is that his dad has/had a hobby, and gets excited about it, and having hobbies is cool, and being excited about other peoples hobbies is cool. Juggling screens with kids is of course a challenge, and you of course cant control what your kids are interested in, but you can show them how fun *being interested* in things can be.
Did you ever read the old MtG books? Arena, Whispering Woods, etc? Those were a lot of fun.
Separately, I really agree that the game got super complicated. Back in the Horsemen phase, it was a more simple product, with more thematic vibes to the game play, and matches were longer slug matches. Today it feels like if you havent won by turn 4-5, youve lost. I think youre right to try and get started on fifth edition. Generally speaking though, I think the latest core sets are pretty good and balanced. Theyre complex for sure, but theyre pretty solid.
That's a great point, there's value just in teaching that having an interest and a passion is its own virtue. I didn't read the books back then, although I've heard the magic historian talk about them, and it sounds like they had better storylines. Glad you and your son can bond over the hobby, even if he isn't into the cards personally. Sounds like a win anyway!
Investing in family beats out any other investment. Once someone has kids, they'll get it. Great video bro and good luck with your endeavor
Appreciate that!
I started playing when revised was out. A few years back I made a mono color deck in each color, from only revised cards, to teach people interested in learning. The mono color theme really allows them to understand the role each color plays in the game
That's a good idea. I was already thinking I would probably tell him to limit it to one or two colors 🤔
*opens the seal, inside all gi joes* "welp, a new hobby it is"
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I love every part of this video. I played revised when I was 12 and left the game until two years ago. I’m back now, and I love it.
Funny how many of us leave for years only to come back! Appreciate the comment.
Really cool that you got that box to play with your son, I hope he loves the game. My daughter is only 2 1/2 but she already loves cards. She likes pokemon cards and foil magic cards with neat art. My son is too young for anything yet! I've taught a lot of people to play magic in my life. They make some decent starter products now, but I think playing with bare bones old cards is the best way for the first few games, especially for little kids. I will build decks from bulk with just vanilla creatures, flying creatures, sorcery speed removal, and aura removal (pacifism, etc.). It's much easier for them to focus without worrying about triggers, activated abilities, instants, timing. Just focus on getting through paying mana, the phases of each turn, and combat, until that clicks. Then, you can start introducing the more interactive cards. -Joe
Great advice, really appreciate it!
I feel you on the complication of today's modern MTG. I quit playing in '02, and didn't get back into it until '21. I tried to get into modern, but quickly lost interest, and reverted back to just collecting and playing cards from the early sets. There's something magical (pardon the pun) about 93/94 through premodern.
Back in the day, I had a beautifully janky Phyrexian Dreadnought deck that featured Pandemonium, Fling, and all the burn. Before the ETB errata hit, it was a powerhouse.
Oh man, I had a dreadnought deck as well! I can't remember the card I used… Stifle maybe? Or else, no, some shapeshifter maybe? I can't remember, but there was some combo that would let me play it on turn 2 or 3 without sacrificing anything.
@@AlphaHoarder Yep, Stifle. It nullifies the ETB trigger.
good and interesting video, mike! i like the commitment, symbolicly removing the seal! 🙏🏻
good rant at the end and good comparison to nintendo (you know my history and current involvement there, and they are indeed doing everything right).
i recently tought my son, who is 11. easiest and most fun way was using a box of the first jumpstart. i laid out the decks on the table with the top card on top, so he just could chose two themes he likes. decks are (fairly) simple. not too many cards. some heavy hitters in there like dragons and behemoths, he enjoyed. themed decks seem to make it easier to understand wnat’s going in. matches are quick. different decks showcase different cards and mechanics. chose a green and a red theme first, to make it even more easy. you get my point 😂😁👊🏻
oh yeah, my first deck was a mono blue merfolk deck with lords and pearl triden warriors 😁👊🏻
I could've done a whole video rant about Hasbro's mishandling, but it seems like old news. Just sad to think about what it could've been like. How did your son take to it at that age? Trying to figure out how early I can start.
@@AlphaHoarder 10-11 is fine. be aware that he speaks english just well enough to understand the cards now. that’s not a factor for you to keep in mind. i used german cards before his english got better, as i speak german to the kids and he understands that oke, but it’s confusing with the different key words. there unfortunately are no dutch cards.
he likes it a lot, but in phases. if he sees me and my brother play, he wants to join in. if i ask, he’s up for a match most of the time. after one or two matches of 20mins a match he’s done, though 😜. and video games are simply more in his system. different generation. i don’t wanna push it too much neither, as his experience with mtg is a very good one up to now. i feel for him it’s another game, though. he’s definetely not in love with it. and that’s oke. he might be one day, though, or he might enjoy the occasional match. all fine 😜😁👊🏻!
Nice topic!
I taught my college roommates Mtg. I got a booster box of 8th edition which was the latest set and we opened that. I explained very basically what each color’s theme was and had everyone make mono color decks for simplicity. Later I introduced older cards I had to keep things interesting and keep power levels more or less even. We played 4 person multiplayer and it was a lot of fun. I kept those decks intact for many years. Good times.
Nice approach! I like the idea of starting with one color.
I remember them onslaught/ Mirrodon days🤠
Always liked the 5th edition starter box. The set also has some unique art pieces to some classic cards.
This should be a fun place to start for your kids.
Thanks for the video!
Thanks for watching!
Disney Lorcana is a good, simple introduction to Little kids into the concepts of TCG game play that is very similar to magic.
I'll have to check that out too
The best way to get your kids into Old School Magic is to proxy old decks. Go lookup some good old school decklists (e.g. disco troll, mono black, lion-dib, etc.), use MPC Fill to help arrange art and backs, and get them printed by MPC. They are proxies, which cannot be mistaken for real cards, but have the look and feel of genuine cards. Then you and the kids can play with all the old, powerful cards without worrying about damaging valuable collectibles. As they play with them, your kids’ fondness for the old cards will grow, and they’ll develop the same nostalgic feeling you have. That’s how I’m keeping old school Magic alive with my own child and their friends.
Awesome suggestions, thanks!
great video. lots of us feel just like you do. like you said, hopefully we're not the last generation to appreciate the golden age of magic. i started right around 4th/5th grade too, during urza's block, and that whole era is just absolutely magical to me. been trying to pick up things no one wants like mercadian masques starter decks. special to me, but no one else cares. the game was simple and beautiful back then.
no clue how to teach someone today. it would be easy to let magic arena teach them to play, but that would completely violate the spirit of this video. i still remember my friend teaching me to play in 4th grade and explaining the phases of the turn, "untap, upkeep, draw"... that's what it's all about.
Great block! Even though I started earlier, I would say that's where my nostalgia peaked. Great sets, and yes, I think beautiful is the right word.
Taught my boy to play when he was around 9-10. Words cannot describe the awesome feeling you get when they cast their first instant in your turn! 😂👍
A really fun, simple game that plays very similarly to Mtg is the D&D card game Dungeon Mayhem: Monster Madness. You have a library, battlefield and graveyard, creature and sorcery spells. Its a box set that comes with a bunch of themed 'precon' decks. Really fun and very simple to learn and play. My mum went and bought it too, my kids taught her to play when they would stay at her place while i was working and they were younger😂👍
Did your son build his own deck for that first game, or did you help? I've not heard of Dungeon Mayhem, but sounds like a fun primer!
My son is 5 and I started by introducing his older friend to Pokemon a few years ago. We also watch pokemon and he gets packs of cards. I talk about how much I like playing magic with my friends and makes sure he knows when I am going. My hope is that In 3-5 more years he will have interest in magic. My first mtg deck was a revised started and two fallen empire boosters.
Hi, nice to see you back. I used the same approach to get my son to play with me, I went into my revised boxes (started to play in 93, got tons of cards of that era), made him a Shades deck (Frozen shade looks so cool and dangerous , he loved them), dark ritual, unholy strength , terrors and bad moon. and some sol rings so he had all types of cards and I made myself a not too strong creatures green deck with easy mechanics so he could understands my basic moves. I explained the basics (man cost, summoning, turn steps....), and we were off , I kept pointing out how he could destroy my creatures for example by saying things like " oh I hope you don't have a terror in hand otherwise my creature is toast" and things like that.... Very important (in my case), I did let him win the first few games by "making" mistakes or leaving myself exposed to his terror etc.. He got a kick out of beating his old man, eheh. He got more confident and one eve after I came back from work, he was waiting for me with a Minotaur decks he put together himself , decks was a bit unbalanced but was pretty powerful and fun, now we often play ( mostly with old cards as I you pointed out the mechanics were simpler ).Recently I took him to anSorcery Alpha draft and he loved it so we playing more this than MTG atm 😅 but yeah, this is how I did it . Hope you have hours of fun and laughter with your kiddo. Much peace .
Sounds like that was a great experience, I really hope I can emulate the same thing on my end. I also feel like I probably have to let him win once or twice just to get that dopamine kick in there early 😂
I actually introduced a friend recently the very same way I was introduced, my mother bought for me a ninth edition starter kit for 2 because she was in awe of the art of the Serra angel front cover (She was an art student herself previously) I at the time was collecting yu gi oh cards (I must have been 8-9 at the time. Years later I finally decided to open it with my sister and I fell in love with the game instantly, this was just as core set 2013 and original innistrad had been released, that Christmas I asked for some more cards and from there it absolutely snowballed. When I found out my friend collected Pokémon cards I decided to dust off the old 9th edition precon decks and teach him to play, he instantly fell in love exactly as I did and is now in the process of building his first EDH
That's a great story, thanks for sharing 👍
a playset of all dual lands. Lord have mercy thats a picture
Right!? 🤩
I think about this aspect of the hobby quite a bit - in the past, I tended to favor complete sets. I was a collector, not a player. I enjoyed the artwork & the novelty of the cards / their abilities, but I didn’t have any ties to them as an actual game. The cards were unavailable to me as a kid, and now that I could finally get them as and adult, they were still sitting unused in a binder that I would glance at on occasion for a small dopamine boost.
In recent years, I’ve slowly started to find a bit more fulfillment in making standalone battle boxes, jumpstart sets, etc. that function closer to a board game in their design than completely open ended MTG deck building. It limits the card pool to just the staples for the era that I’m interested in, lets me tailor it specifically to whatever level of introduction to the game I’m going for & lets me learn more about the utility of the cards I’ve been collecting all of these years. Feels nice to give some of them a purpose outside of just their financial value.
That's a cool evolution, and I totally get what you're saying… It's one of the cool things about this hobby, that the cards have utility (even to non-collectors), as long as the game is strong.
Despite adverse sentiments in the market right now, I'm in the camp that MTG esp vintage Magic will live on for decades to come. It is in people to collect and curate, and the art on these cards alone are simply captivating. If cards of old hockey or baseball players can cost millions, Magic The gathering will do the same if not better. WHY u may ask? Those cards are portraits of people whom the new generation know NOTHING of, are NO LONGER AROUND, and no longer care about... Whereas the art, mythology and fantasy world that magic inhibits will live on for decades if not centuries. ALPHA is always ALPHA.. the first, the top, the elusive, the number one.
That's a very good point about the fact that people don't even know who's depicted in the old baseball cards. Collector seek the trophies of the hobby, even if they don't have personal nostalgia for those trophies!
That makes a lot of sense. My fiancee used to play Magic back in the mid nineties, and we tried playing the current stuff a while. But we had to look up rules in every single game because there are always weird interactions and keywords that we keep forgetting. Or we didn't have enough tokens, or a day/night indicator, dungeon cards, or a million other things that brought games to a halt. I bought an old collection of 90s cards, and we made about 20 decks. They're simple, easy to understand, and most importantly, FUN.
Yeah I know that feeling! Every interaction requires googling, and I need a barrel of counters, sheesh!
I'm a teacher at a small private school and I've introduced quite a few students to the game. It's been a while but I think I used one of the duel decks set to teach the game. Relatively similar power levels between decks and fairly simple gameplay if you use the right ones. I taught my son to play using some jumpstart packs, although the complexity can go up a bit there and it's also very random. Building monocolor tribal to teach people works really well also, it's also a good introduction to color identity. My first deck was a mono green snake deck from Kamigawa block after some of my friends from college convinced me either A. magic wasn't for dorks and was actually fun or B. I was a dork and magic was fun... 🤔
Nice-- mono color trial makes a lot of sense. And yeah, the jury is still out on that last one, for many of us haha
Did the exact same thing lol but chose starter 99 because it’s the first set I opened. Hoping my future kids will love it- it will be a special day when we first break that seal.
I have hope for the next generation because of Pokémon. In ‘99 when Pokémon explode, I vividly remember how many peers quickly switched to magic seeing the artwork as more for “older, cooler” kids and more fun to play. Between the recent Pokémon resurgence and an upcoming Netflix series in addition to the other points I’ve shared on your channel, I am hopeful for mtg. Stay the course, Mike!
Also- in my experience,
Step 1: get them to fall in love with the artwork
Step 2: create a tribal deck for them based on preference and have fun
Nice! Thanks for the tips 👍 I have hope too, but man they are making the road bumpy right now 😩
Hey Mike , great video so much to digest even in ten minutes, your thoughts about hasbro and the market are right on as usual .. wouldn't it be great if they just listened. great idea on fifth edition as an easier set to introduce magic. As for your question on what was the first deck.. well out of the box revised starter deck. no deck building at first, my friends and I each just had the one starter each. Glad that you have a plan to pass on the passion and the collection; if there is one thing that bothers me about my collection is what it will happen to it after me (alas no kids).
Eventually, I hope they'll listen. 1 starter deck each-- great way to start! I do hope I can get at least one of my three kids to want to inherit the collection. If not, I'll have to at least teach them how to sell it properly once I croak 😅
I introduced some people to the hobby with soms easy to teach 40 card decks I created myself. With cards that don't have a lot of text like creatures with abilities like haste or trample and some clear spells like lightning bolt or giant growth.
That's a good idea, curate the cards a little bit to keep it simple and not introduce too much at once 🤔
Actually 5th edition turns out to be a perfect choice. Nice good reprints from other sets, but most importantly the iconic art of shivan dragon. Nothing beats pulling an old school shivan dragon. I think playing repetition best form of learning for this game. I don't recall going to the rules book, to small of a print/font. I gravitated to blue first for the flyers and the timmy sorcerer. I remember getting used to the concept of colorless/color mana casting spells, blocking/attacking between air and ground creatures, and what to do during the phases of untap draw and upkeep. Also 5th edition will have the old concepts of instant, interrupts, sorcery so when to play those also takes some learning.
Oh yeah classic Shivan! Right, I forgot all about how weird casting cost felt in the first game I played. I take it for granted now!
Tried my first new set in a decade with a couple dozen drafts online. The WOE set has flavour, thematic art, mostly balanced colors for draft, decisions, etc. Much more thought put towards playability and set cohesion than any of the old cards I love so much. Clearly there are people putting in solid work - the product is a labor of love, but I imagine the signal gets lost in the noise of constant releases/money grabs. They can learn from the old core sets like 5th and there's still plenty of room to grow in.
I'm sure you are right... people who care doing their best, under unreasonable deadlines and uncaring executives.
I do not normally post, but I taught my son to play with 5th edition as well for those exact same reasons. He can hold his own in limited a year and a half later. It takes patience, but is possible. I am mostly a collector as well and happy to discuss my approach to teaching MTG.
Oh, nice! May I ask, did you build the first deck for him to walk him through the process? Or did you let him build it all by himself?
@@AlphaHoarder Sure. I removed all non-creatures (instants, sorceries, etc.). We used just creatures and I taught the phases of turns, attack and defense. 5th edition did not have complex creatures, so I chose such. I started with decks I built and we played until he understood mana, turns and creatures. After that, I let him build with creatures and land. Once that was solid, I introduced instants and sorceries, followed by artifacts and enchantments. He learned the game with that approach.
Nice thanks for those tips!
Let’s see some footage of you guys cracking packs and playing!
Haha it would be embarrassing when everyone sees that my level of play is barely more sophisticated than an elementary schooler 🤣
AlphaHoarder single-handedly keeping the hobby alive! The first deck i ever built was 7th edition goblins.
7th goblins-- nice!
I built 4 dual color decks with vanilla creatures and spells. Flying, trample, and first strike abilities at the most, and simple spells to get the flow of the game. Worked for kids and similar aged people as myself.
First deck was all black; drudge skeletons, black knight, terror, and my personal fave...nightmare! Good times....
That's a good technique. I was thinking I should probably have him focus on one color to start 🤔
I learned to play by reading the rulebook from my Ice Age starter deck.
You should open two starters, let him go through the rulebook, then just play. If he likes it he'll be hounding you for dual lands in no time!
A whole other bridge to cross is when he realizes I'm a hoarding nut job. One step at a time lol
It’s gonna sound opposite of the theme of the video, but for teaching purposes Magic Arena is a super streamlined way to learn the game, and a great transition into paper Magic.
I might check that out myself just for tips on how to introduce it 🤔
I learned to play magic in 94 when I was six from my mom and aunt. So if your seven year old is interested it isn't to early I think. Its good for reading and basic math skills. Using early base set cards revised through 5th are great choices due to it being simpler than more modern sets. My little guy is only two but if hes interested early on I'll teach him how to play with older bulk cards.
Oh, that's really cool to hear that you started that young. In that case, maybe I don't have to wait at all.
This topic is a big concern of mine. My kids learned from their friends in school, and are partially responsible for me coming back into the game. Like you I don't play any more.
If I had to pick an old set to start my kids on, I'd choose 6th edition. Smaller set than 4th and 5th, with rules that look much more like what is out there today (since 6th was a massive rules overhaul). The big advantage of 5th is the larger card pool -- almost 33 percent over 6th. 4th + Chronicles would be an interesting choice too, but too much chaff. But 5th is a fine choice. and as you said, 7th would be too expensive given the foils.
The big thing is to get more kids involved. It's not easy. But it can be done. It's a collective effort, and one I hope we succeed on.
Here's hoping Hasbro + WotC quits sabotaging the effort.
I'll cheers that last part, though I won't hold my breath!
There are 3 big components to the hobby, all of them very different activities:
1. Playing the game
2. Building decks
3. Collecting
My take is that each person enjoys these things to different degrees, and that it's important to identify what gets them excited, and engage them in that way. For me, the two more solitary activities are what really keep me going, and the gameplay is good but not great. My girlfriend is the other way around, so stuff like Jumpstart is good way to get on her plane.
That's a good take
Nice Brink. Is this the USA or Belgium printing? The correlation method was varied in this set with sequential collation for USA and striped collation for Belgium. The Print sheets are not known and The Collation Project has been working on recreating them from opening. When you do start cracking them their could be interest in know what was in the pack and the order they appear.
Oh, that's very interesting. Looks like this one was printed in Belgium 🧐
You can help him make his fist deck but it may just confuse him. I always have the new player hold the cards and sit next to them and tell them what to play and why. It helps a lot if he is playing one of his friends with someone sitting next to them too. Another great way to teach someone how to play is to copy how MTG Arena teaches new players in the tutorial. You should download the game and go through the tutorial yourself and try and mimic it with real cards. You can also watch the same tutorial on TH-cam. Or just have him smell one of those newly opened starter decks and I'm sure he will be hooked like I did.
Great idea. Yeah the building part I've been trying to think through… Seems like it could be overload if you're just telling them what to pick and why, so maybe I'll let him do it, and just chime in for balance purposes. I'll check out Arena.
My first deck was land destruction/discard. Black, Green and splash of red. It was fast and quickly angered the other player. They typically quit by turn 5. How can you play with no mana!?!? Then, no cards in hand?!?? Admittedly, if I went up against all 5 moxes, it didn't play as nice, but that's what the splash of red was for, Shatterstorm!
🤣 sounds like a brutal deck!!
Yea def give them a free deck. Deck does not matter a lot, just make sure its simple and does not have a bunch of confusing cards. I also recommend doing things slow. If you try upgrading their deck or pushing them to something else it may scare them away. Dont play mean decks against them and just be nice and kind to them. My first deck was all the best cards I pulled from a 2010 core set fat pack. Remember those times.
Good advice, thanks 👍
Single-handedly i might add.
personally I am quite young and I got my friends to play with jumpstart packs and commander precons. started out with just two of us now we have a groupchat of 10 who plays commander and drafts together at each other's houses. none of us have ever played at an LGS before as well. now discovering my collector love for the game, I collect 2000- 2008 foils and tournament decks. the cards are just so magically and fantasy-like compared to the shit they print today.... good luck!
Nice! And thanks 👍
Noble goal, I hope they like it. I plan to try to get my daughter into Magic at some point in the future by building her a very basic deck about Mermaids, Unicorns or My Little Pony. Wish me luck :)
My daughter would absolutely go nuts for a mermaids/unicorns deck 🤣🤣 Do report back how that goes! My daughter is the youngest one so I've got some years before I'm crossing this bridge with her. If it works for you, maybe I'll give it a shot! 🤜🤛
great video. Love the sentiment
Thanks for watching!
My most successful experiences in bringing new players into trying the game has been Commander Pre-cons. The old Duel Decks were probably even better since it's one on one and instead of 60-70 singleton cards it's a lot fewer and simpler cards.
I hadn't even thought of those old duel decks… But yeah, I guess that's probably what that product was designed for!
I always like to get people in with Revised because it's just a simpler set of mechanics. 5th edition so it's a great idea for that same reason.
Unfortunately ever since the Starter software, there's no better way to learn or teach than with the newest iteration of whatever MTG video game is out.
Revised would be awesome, but too much $$ to crack these days 😩
Zelda themed Magic sets…it’s gonna happen. The tri-force will have 20 different variants.
Ha -- I believe it! I'm sure they'll get as far as Peppa Pig, eventually 😤
Issue teaching outside arena with older cards is that when a new player goes out he/she won't find any other new player outside who isn't on arena.
Vintage Magic is Real Magic. The New Stuff looks so ....Different. Some of it is still Beautifull. 5:00 Come Together! In Flesh & Blood!
Agreed!
Looks like my comment got deleted as it cointained a link so one more try - first of all nice box, 5th and 6th editions are my favorite as the first box of magic cards we got our hands on at school was from this era. As for a handoff to my daughter, I got inspired by dadmagic, printed small decks full of unicorns and faeires including just the simplest mechanics and now glueing it on magic cards so we can play and she can get used to the basic mechanics like having to pay resources in order to play cards, combat, importance of life etc. If she likes it, we'll advance to some 6ED starters.
That's a cool idea! Weird about the deleted comment... I don't see it in moderation or anything.
Just like how you teach someone how to swim …you just throw them into it!
Very cool idea!
Thanks Ed 🤜🤛
I like the 5th edition starter, maybe a booster or two every once in a while trickled in, most of the fun of entering the game is letting them discover cards and new interactions, starting basic is perfect :)
I remember how much fun it was to open the starter decks and then start going through the cards to see what you hit. The mystery of it was so much fun… Some of that is definitely lost when I came back to the game and discovered that everything is online, all the "good decks" are documented and many people just play variations of them, and every new set has its cards spoiled early. I guess there's no way to unwind that part of the Internet age, but something was lost there.
@@AlphaHoarder I totally agree, my card pool is only 93/94 and I play fnm modern. I play against the same few net decks every game but I still love tweaking and seeing how competitive I can get on my own without just copying someone's list. The game is beatable using older more fair cards in this day in age and I almost feel like I play better when I use Alpha or Beta, catching a ragavan with a winter factory and tapping it to live feels so good right now :). I think that is a fair point, keep the hive mind out of it or it becomes a layer of someone else winning for the kids. Cards play themselves these days with 2,3,4,5 for ones.
Definitely a much different game now than it once was. I played from Revised to Mirage and then quite for over 20 years. When I started playing again on Arena, I didnt know what a planeswalker was or how it worked. Then theres the power level problem, which is one of the most sad things imo.
Yeah Planeswalkers were hard to make sense of when I first saw them. And you're definitely right about the power. It was sad how many of the old cards I remembered were now useless, for being too vanilla or expensive or whatever, compared to the new stuff.
Bros got one of those time travel watches, like MIB bro. Watch this guy. (NOT THE SEAL!)
Make them a deck with just creatures and lands. We've even went to mtgcardsmith and made tons of proxy Adventure Time cards, 200ish. Got kids myself. Let them make the rules. If you let them have fun, they will come back. Open Pokemon boxes with them. Make them sleeve the cards. Teach them to read. It's a fun journey!
Good idea about letting the rules play loose are first. I'm looking forward to the journey!
My friend and I started with 2 unlimited starter decks each and made the best decks we could from that.
I tought my daughter when she was 10 by using two very basic and evenly matched pauper decks. We also played with some Jumpstart Packs. She didn't really get hooked though. :(
I have one more daughter who's not quite old enough to play. Still holding out hope that one of them picks up the hobby.
Wow Unlimited! What memories. Yeah I'm hoping for at least 1 of the 3 kids... but we'll see 🤞
Short and pointless videos count too. KEEP EM COMING 😎
You should have opened a single one, to give us a feel for it 😮💨
Ah, yeah should have. D'oh!
I started very very slowly with my kids. simple creatures very very vanila spells. Like bird with fly 2/2 attacks and its not blocked because has fly. Free land draw one per turn. If you go in hardcore explaining combat stacks and phases, what is a combo, a counter, they will not care for the game. The game has alot of rules. ALOT. Go slowly, let them have fun. Dont be judge in the games, let stuff slide when its too hard to explain. And most important let them win 3 times out of 5. They have the feeling of winning its very very important
3 of 5 sounds like a good ratio 👍
@@AlphaHoarder yes. My older one asked me one bad question "are you just let me win?" 😀 Ah! No decks! Want me to elaborate the format I use to intro new players?
Sure!
@@AlphaHoarder ok. So you get 100/200 vanila cards of all colors with basic interactions (fly, draw one, defender, etc). Shuffle that and put the pile in middle of the table. You have 5 piles of mana. One draw per turn of the middle deck and one draw from mana. Making mana easy its better so the game is faster. Game should be 20 life, roll a dice to see who goes first. Cicle out the cards that are already played. When you see they know the basics introduce cards more advance like lighting bolt, counterspell, brainstorm etc etc. When they know the main rules ask them what its more fun. My kid love merfolk but says he sees few merfolk cards in the piles. That was the point I explain the advance game (for us the normal way to play it) and what he liked was called a tribal. Build a fun one and make sure he beat the crap out of a deck of goblins I had but didnt make it obvious. There goes 5 years. The kid plays well and likes to learn.
Finally! 😊
What Nintendo has done with their franchises and products and what you want to do here is exactly why Hasbro has been screwing up. Investing in the future. Hasbro has continually tried to make mtg grow up with a specific age range and continue to try and milk that dwindling base more and more. Nintendo has never forgotten how they got where they are, making fun, engaging, and accessible games for kids. If you wanna be cynical about it, get them while theyre young and youll have a customer for life. The fact that adults love their games is just icing, and they know that people will always want that childlike joy. Theyre not making Mario games for people that started with Mario on the NES or SNES, making a T or M Mario game thats excessively complicated or ultra premium. Those products exist if you want them. But the bread and butter will always be being someones first game as a kid.
Yeah, you're completely right. Magic took off because it attracted people from elementary school all the way up. If it had only been targeted at adults back then, it would probably be a thing of ancient history.
Thumbs up for 10 mins video, i dont mind watching your videos, but 30-40 mins is alot for one video (less screen watching, heh) Like the old magic aswell, its little too much with all these new things these days, way easier and more fun to play old school magic... wish they would some day bring that also back in form of some set(s)
Today it feels like every single card that hits the battlefield has some ability I've never seen before 😅
build a deck, give it to them for free, and watch them come back for more....typical drug dealer strategy...seemed to work for everyone i know
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Build a couple of revised 40 decks. Simple but fun. My 10 year old daughter picked it up pretty quick.
Nice! Thanks for the tip
Bridge that gap bro!
WOTC and Hasbro could easily do what you're saying. I've been thinking about this for a while now and the only thing I can come up with is that WOTC wants everyone playing Arena by any means necessary
I really can't make sense of it… Surely they have the resources to roll some of these projects
@@AlphaHoarder for sure, and another reason why I think I may be correct 🤔
Game itself is probably currently better overally than in nineties. There is always something going on. Less topdecking involved and games are more skill involved at best. Unfortunately there are few 'inventions' that are burden like planeswalkers and simply alarming 'corporate greed'.
How can game live from here if it's mainly marketed to multiplayers but game was designed for 1vs1 in the first place. I think it's WotC's management that is being short sighted and 'cashing out' instead off particularly Hasbro.
Interesting, yeah could be. It's easier to believe that Hasbro doesn't understand what's going on, but it could definitely be pressure on the wizards team that's causing them to make these choices.
@@AlphaHoarder This is initial supposition generally that Hasbro is behind everything but I guess it's theoretically possible that WotC has drifted into bad or at least arrogant management which has even culminated lately.
@@Possu81 maybe but the fact that the head of wotc was promoted to head of hasbro makes me think probably not
Ive seriously considered why someone who has 100m worth of reserve list stuff hasn't seen the value in a takeover of the magic ip. The money's there for someone to be willing to seize control.
Yeah, and managed properly it's an engine to make money. Only problem is the current greed mindset of maximizing the money today, and extracting ever more tomorrow.
When teaching a new player, use a simple deck. Burn or Goblins is good for beginners.
Nice thanks for the tip 👍
Hasbro/wotc incompetence and reprints is why i quit😢
You aren't alone in that...
The people brought into the game don't care about the long term health of the game they care about the long term health of their bank accounts. These corporate types are thinking less about the longevity of the game and some kind of package they can get before and after the game and to boards all that matters is money on the bottom line. A means to an end, not something lasting or eternal. It is also becoming a hobby for people at the top. Wizards needs to fire so many people, and I don't say that lightly. They need to go back to hiring artists because of their talent not because they are a from a certain ethnic group. If you have cultural advisors dictating the artistic direction of the game you have lost. The nihilism from players is through the roof ranging from apathy to suggesting a hostile takeover. If there was absolute solidarity you could wage a boycott like Magic 30 but there are enough people who simp for Wizards I don't know if it would have any affect. People are waiting for ill to come to those who are butchering the game.
The crazy part is that the longevity of the game is in their long-term best interest… There must be enough people close enough to retirement in enough of the high positions that they're stomping out those voices actively.
It's called Jumpstart 😅
Heh, yes I suppose so. I've never actually looked at those!
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There is a new generation of players that are driving other players away by their anti-social behaviour and that don't seem likely to attract someone to have kids with.
I completely agree. Hasbro have lost it. Rudy is being way too positive in my opinion. I don't see any significant upticks in sealed product until they become more responsible with reprints. They're keeping everything ticking along with the different IP's but that only creates short term hype.
I can see the thing with your son going one of two ways:
1. It's an engaging shared experience.
2. He laughs at you and calls you a nerd before leaving to play his Xbox. 🤣🤣
Haha yeah could go either way
Dude id love to hang and chat with u
Appreciate that!
Always loved 5th Edition because of all of the alternative artwork. I was lucky with my kids, (my oldest turns 30 this year) I had Portal and P2E for them to learn the basics with. I think 5th is a great set to learn with.
Oh yeah that's what portal was made for, after all!
What?
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i think starting them out with a starter deck is the way to go. If they show interest then maybe hand them more cards for them to fiddle with, other people naturally like the playing part of the game better and are better off getting net decks. but definitely there are 2 breeds of players, those who only play and those who build and play.
Good point on that distinction!
everything you mentioned about hasbro was spot on, they could have the world but are just too stupid to have it
It's crazy how relevant they could be. Stupid is the word.