UPDATE: Hendrick Motorsports will appeal the penalty, saying the louvers they were provided did not meet specs and were not actually used in the race. They also say they received inconsistent communication from NASCAR relating to the louvers. Do think their appeal will be successful?
Most definitely. It's kind of the same situation that happened to Brad last season. Got hit with a very early massive penalty, and it took them all season to finish in the top 25. Haley definitely has more speed than RFK had last year at this point, so it's not completely hopeless.
Yes. I wonder if they could appeal saying - we got the louvers from Hendrick and they were already modified. We had not reason to check them. Not our fault. Maybe at least a reduced penalty.
When you're running that much faster than the whole field, and it's consistent in all 4 cars, the rules folks are going to go over everything with a fine toothed comb...kinda bad on Hendrick to get caught on something like this, since it's so obvious. I know they say NASCAR didn't communicate clearly (no doubt they're right about that), but they have been pretty consistent about hammering any team that makes any changes to parts.
I honestly don't get why or how HMS came to this situation? Did they think Nascar would treat them differently, or thought the modification was lawful? Beats me! that's why I believe fans deserve to know more about this and past severe penalties.
@@vidmasterK1 EVERY SINGLE nascar team bends the rules. If you aren’t trying to bend the rules, you are not winning in NASCAR, this is well documented among retired drivers...
The main one I'm worried about is Bowman. He was literally leading the points just on consistency, and now this could have ruined his playoff hopes unless he wins. I'm hoping Hendrick's appeal gets approved, because they have just been great, including at Vegas a couple of weeks ago. You've also gotta feel bad for Justin Haley. I have never seen a driver with -40 points.
as a fan of Alex Bowman we will never know the happiness he is consistent and more he first in the championship for the first time in his career. and justin haley goes from 60 to -40 it's brutal I hope Kauling will also appeal especially since it's weird there's only one car out of the two that had the parts confiscated
Has anyone addressed the issue of consistency in the manufacture of these “single source” parts? Can they prove that the changes made by Hendrick? Or was there some anomalies during manufacture.
Good One Just be fair Theres 40 teams on thid field Its depressing Im serious Im not surprised Its a new car How is it that the Chevy is so dominant Im not stupid I want someone outside of Nascar to tear down all three of the auto makers car I bet you will see the Chevy has an advantage I drive a Chevy I hate cheaters Your manipulating me if your cheating If you win somerhing and you cheated In Gods Eyes You didnt win Period
The thing everyone seems to overlook is that the Next Gen car was made from parts supplied by the lowerst bidder. Good quality and low price rarely go together.
Yep.. that what I have been saying!! I think going to the new car has sucked in my book because it more less gives nascar full control over everything!!
The most interesting part of this is was the Kaulig in violation the exact same way? If so, why would 2 different teams from the same manufacturer that don't have a technical alliance have the EXACT SAME violation if it wasn't NASCAR incorrectly communicating something to the teams.
Exactly my thoughts! What’s the connection? Seems weird and strange coincidence that 2 teams not affiliated got busted at same time for modifying same part , guess it’s possible, but not likely… 🤷♂️…. Let’s go racing boys 🏁
Makes ya wonder if they had those louvers the entire short so far season with the speed that they had. Oh and Byron's win - Harvick's crew chief "gave" that to Byron with a slow four tire stop that Kevin couldn't overcome vs a 2 tire stop that Byron made. That's what happens all too often with an overtime race and one of the reasons I still watch these races.
So I think the thing that hurts Hendrick the worst is the loss of the Crew Chiefs. The Crew Chief driver combos are some of the best in the cup series. The drivers losing them hurts them the worst in my opinion.
"The entire complexion of this season has changed", but has it? They can still win a race and with the top 30 rule being gone, qualify for the playoffs... Where the points reset anyway. It has no effects in my opinion.
The rule is clear and has been from the very beginning. You do NOT modify in any way any single source spec part NO MATTER WHAT! It doesn't matter if there is in your mind some good reason to do it, you DON'T do it. It's cracked but easily repaired? Throw it away and get a new one, don't fix it. It's a little out of spec but two swipes with a file can fix it? Don't to it, return to the manufacturer in exchange for new one. A hole is a little to small? Don't even think of drilling it out (except in some instances where the rules actually do allow that but those are clearly spelled out). Just don't do it, the rule is clear. You're going to have to find those little advantages elsewhere. Still plenty of room to play in the engine and setup departments.
You can kind of tell hes pretty biased in a lot of areas when it comes to certain stuff if you have good attention to detail. He basically hates any Chevy or Toyota and is a big fan of fords, Penske and RFK. He brings up BK way too much for how irrelevant he is in the sport.
@@Preest80 as a sanctioning body they can't disclose exactly what they found or what exactly hendrick did to the part bc then that opens the door for misinterpretation / manipulation from other teams going forward & i'd like to think they're not trying to go on a fine parade this season. That's not a good look for the sport. Hence, the unknown subconsciously deters teams from even attempting it
I wonder if they altered the louvres to make them match the CAD models they were given. If they were manufactured in such a way that they didn't match and it was a disadvantage to run them, i can understand why they would feel it was possible to get by on it. If that is the case, they might have a case. It'll be interesting to see what they bring forward.
By the rules, no they do not have a case. If the part doesn't meet specifications you return it as defective and get another one. You do NOT "fix" it. ANY modification, no matter the reason for it is a penalty unless specifically allowed in the rules. I say that last part because the rules do allow a few minor things like relocating a misplaced hole or something
Maybe it is that the part needs a new manufacturer, all teams except a few have been hit with penalties? It seems that the part needs to be made to fit.
It's against my favorite team and I agree. We all knew after last year DON'T MESS WITH SPEC PARTS" this shouldn't have been a surprise or "controversial"
If Rick or Jeff new about this beforehand then shame on them for putting those teams in that position. If they didn't know then someone needs to be fired
My biggest complaint is nascar not saying why they were penalized. Almost Half a million in fines and over 2 races of points I feel like we should know exactly what they modified
Why wasn’t the win taken away??? Last year at Pocono, they took Denny Hamlin’s win away, and Kyle Bush’s second place finish away for a piece of f’ing tape underneath the wrap on the spoiler/bumper on the front🤔🤔
Glad to see that NASCAR dropped the hammer on the team that most people figured would be able to wiggle their way out of it. The message is clear: Mess with the standardized parts and will make sure you pay. Good on NASCAR.
As a Hendrick fan [48] i feel for the drivers who probably knew nothing about this. Just as well they have all got long contracts now but still what a horrible season its going to be. Plus with Fox, probably ignore all four cars as well!!
For anyone who thinks this is ridiculous, you're correct but don't forget when the Gibbs cars were fined (for the period. I believe it was 2014) just as bad when they showed up to track and were caught with modified oil pans. They never ran a race or even practiced just like the Hendrick cars. Someone noticed the oil pans when the cars were being unloaded and called the officials to report them.
I am happy this does not affect Chase Elliott at all. (The way I read it, 10 owner playoff points, not 10 driver playoff points.) Also, your !00,000 graphic says 100,00 right now.
@@johnhaas2523 True, there are indirect implications that affect Chase, like Alan not being at the track for 4 races now, and he loses out on top 10 in points playoff points and race experience in his time off, but the 5, 24, 31, and 48 have a 10 driver and owner playoff point deduction now, which is huge.
One thing I will say is this is HMS they are not roush i doubt they will contend for the regular season championship but they are still not out of the big prize
There Is Nothing More Obvious Over The Past 20yrs. Of NASCAR That If You Are A Ford Team, Driver, Organization, Or Fan You Are Quietly Shunned. The Rule Packages Need To Be Done Over Winter Break Before The Up And Comming NASCAR Season. Once The Packages Are Finalized Then They Need To Remain In Place. NASCAR Should Never Go Against There Own Seasonal Rules If A Team, Driver, Or Manufacturer Do Better By Changing The Rules To There Partisan Discretions On A Week By Week Basis.
NASCAR needs to tell all and and put all the reasons on how this would have helped the Hendrick cars. If they would use all the drama the teams cause by trying to gain an advantage and explain maybe more people would start taking an interest and start watching!
This is something HMS deserves. Sorry to say but they skate the fine line all the time anyway, probably getting by with more than their fair amount of modifications over the years as I'm sure all teams have. Hope this is a wake up call to lesser teams to not try it.
@@hollygolden9673 yep sell 4 charters put that 40 million and the 400 hundred thousand in his pocket and live good not sure how many teams he supplies engines too but wouldn't be able to race either
Stage wins...what joke. Racing should and always has been about winning races. All this silliness has made NASCAR a clown show. Stages, cookie cutter tracks and cars and the Chase and it just keep getting worse. Once a big fan, I quit watching years ago.
Even though it was modified I am confused because in practice with them Byron was 20TH without them race winner and THEY PASSED TECH INSPECTION how does this penalty make any sense
@@christianfehr8652 Wrong NASCAR saw something with the louvres before Practice, but still let them practice with them, it was only after practice NASCAR confiscated the louvres.
They clearly have a point - and SELF REPORTED an issue with quality on these parts to NASCAR. Only to have NASCAR call them out during inspection. This is getting overturned. Maybe not the fines - but the points won't stand. This is mostly to scare the other teams. Unless NASCAR can prove they were tampered with - which I doubt.
@@shaynejenkins446 The rules don't say anything about having to have practiced and/or raced with the modified part. Simply showing up the the track with it on the car is more than enough.
NASCAR is doing everything it can think of to keep Hendrick from winning. New car design, quick cautions, and bogus penalties. It's not going to work, NASCAR.
Glad to see it. The rules are clear and some people think they can still do as they please even if it isn't an out and out performance advantage modification. Cant touch a single source part. Black and white.
Why are these penalties so large when NASCAR took away Hendrick's hood louvers before the race even started? They didn't have an advantage during the race. The penalty should've been all 4 Hendrick cars + Haley start the Phoenix race 2 laps down.
@@jonathan3982 nascar has gone woke and the next gen cars are trash! Hence all the injuries,fire getting into the car with harvick etc. also nascar doesn’t explain shit and this penalty is way over the top
I used to race motorcycles & a few cars back in the day. Everybody cheats, but... if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. We all knew we could get caught, knew the rules & penalties & had to just eat shit & race another day when we got nicked.
That’s brutal indeed. Seems they still need to get ahead driver aggression as well. Still waiting on losing points for the following season ob deliberate crashes.
okay I see people saying it makes no sense since they didn't race with the parts since NASCAR took them but maybe they did race with them in the race before and that could be why they took them and dropped the hammer... but that is just a spit ball idea based on no real information since I just heard about all this and haven't really caught up on all the information.
It may not affect them performance wise this year, but it could the next couple years too. It could be like 2018&19'. That's a lot of money lost in R&D the field will pass them by P.S I'm getting tired of this spec-racing, slot car version of Nascar. They HAVE to start letting teams have some kind of options. As seen by all of the part failures we've had at this point.
NASCAR is selling itself as "cost-effective", which means you get spec parts. Getting spec parts means rules have to protect those parts from any sort of silliness teams may wish to do to them.
@@jakobbuckles4472 NASCAR died with Dale years ago. It's just a zombie corps walking around waiting for the final shotgun slug or chainsaw to the head! Their unwillingness to move away from over the air broadcast networks is going to be a major part of their undoing. The FCC is doing everything it can to kill national TV broadcasts as it is. They're so worried about those TV deals, they can't even see the writing on the wall!
I read in an HMS statement that they were going to appeal but would go ahead and have the crew chiefs begin their suspensions starting this weekend at Atlanta
As a Hendrick fan, I'm kinda glad this happened. Now hopefully people will shut up with the Hendrick gets away with cheating ans never gets in trouble stuff. Hendrick will be fine, it will hurt but they will be fine.
I'm a Hendrick fan. I really think the penalty would not have been the same if Chase was in the car. I remember that BS "reset" pitstop at Martinsville a couple years ago.
Crew Chiefs don't personally pay the fines. And Mr. H has more money than Gawd and JC combined. He won't even notice the monetary penalties. Kaulig I don't know. Probably that $100k is going to sting. Back up crew chiefs are not that big of a loss on race day either. Main guys can literally phone it in on race day anyway. But what does really hurt is the points penalties to all teams.
Some reports, not from Hendricks, the parts supplied by NASCAR were crap and didn’t fit correctly and were made to fit by changing the fitment. If this is the case then NASCAR needs to supply correct fitting 9:41 parts.
Nice commentary Eric. I applaud NASCAR for dropping the hammer on Hendrick. A part of me was thinking earlier in the week that NASCAR would find some wiggle room to let them off the hook. Glad it didn't happen. And BTW, it should have rated as honorable mention, but Hamlin got hit with a $50,000 fine and a loss of 25 driver points for intentionally wrecking RC on the last lap.
Massive penalty yes but with the playoffs becoming more stupid every year all they have to do is win a race and they’re in like I highly doubt any of the hendrick drivers will have a tough time getting a win maybe bowman????
If they fine a team in any way they should be required to explain what and how the rules were broken. If they won’t explain in detail to us , the fans that support racing, then I guess I won’t support NASCAR any more. I have been a fan since the early 90s and am getting tired of Nascars heavy hand. What has happened to run what you brung. If they don’t detail just what Hendricks did to be fined such a ridiculous penalty then I might never watch another race. Who is with me ?? Great show Eric…….
It had to do with how the louvers fit. I believe HMS and Kaulig may have broken them into 3 pieces somehow instead of 1. I believe it was supposed to be a single piece part.
@@wingracer1614You can modify a part for safety or if NASCAR approves the modification in some way via the manufacturer’s approval. They had permission to make those parts fit, so if they made the modifications based on the manufacturer’s approval, then the penalties might be reduced.
@@easyenetwork2023 If they modified them with NASCAR's approval, there is no penalty, it is legal. If they had no such approval it is illegal PERIOD! There is no grey area, there is no penalty reduction. It's all or nothing.
@@easyenetwork2023 Doesn't matter. If it doesn't fit, it's defective and you return it to the manufacturer. You don't find it funny that ALL of their cars had "defective" ones on them yet as soon as they were confiscated, they got replaced with non defective ones?
As a massive HMS fan, this totally sucks. There’s no hiding from it, period. I wonder how this gets through the shop with everyone knowing the fines. Makes no sense with all the speed and talent they have. Did RFK parts make it in the race? Will the appeal change things because it was not used in the race? I know I’ll get throttled for asking but I think it’s a fair question. I mean, if this part was not going to do that much why touch it, and it’s so visible everyone can see it! Ugh sorry just pissed as a fan that this happened. If they did it on purpose then why not just try it on one car? Why all four? I mean, really. Well I guess I’ll start looking at the points sometime in June and see where then are at that point. Enjoy the rest of the season Nascar fans!
Honestly, NASCAR should have a test with certain parts vs spec parts and see what parts doesn't give an advantage and what parts do. That way, it can give some leeway on what can and can't be different as long as it comes from the template
@@nathanmiddaugh6986 Hendricks set up Nascar and is exploiting all the carp parts they give to teams. It was planned to have all 4 cars with the the faulty louvers and 4 extras to show Nascar. Hendricks volunteered the inspection of them on purpose before practice. and Nascar still let them run them for practice. Nascar f'd up
I'm sticking with what I said before, GARAGE 56 is the reason behind this. Nascar just needs to end the project and take the car away from Hendrick once and for all.
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UPDATE: Hendrick Motorsports will appeal the penalty, saying the louvers they were provided did not meet specs and were not actually used in the race. They also say they received inconsistent communication from NASCAR relating to the louvers.
Do think their appeal will be successful?
Hope not
Fines will go up but the third party will drop the point penalties and suspensions
Just my prediction
TBF Kevin Harvick did make the comment "Crappy Ass Parts!"
@@JackCallSports exactly whats going to happen
oh dear...
well have fun with that
everyone is flabbergasted by the massive Hendrick penalty…
…but none of y’all are talking about how *we all have more points than Justin Haley now* 💀
Oh hey Denny
We need GIFs. The “he’s already dead” one applies.
I'm better than a Daytona winner...
Not everyone It is past Time , They pay the price like the other Teams .
Watch this comment age poorly in a week
I feel like Kaulig is going to be hurt by this much more than Hendrick.
At least Aj isn't hurt by this. He still has a chance.
I think so too Hendrick will bounce back
@@rocksreviewsreactions337 aj should win a rc race this season and lock in so he's ok
Most definitely. It's kind of the same situation that happened to Brad last season. Got hit with a very early massive penalty, and it took them all season to finish in the top 25. Haley definitely has more speed than RFK had last year at this point, so it's not completely hopeless.
Yes. I wonder if they could appeal saying - we got the louvers from Hendrick and they were already modified. We had not reason to check them. Not our fault. Maybe at least a reduced penalty.
Cody Ware is now higher than most of them
I may not always like the way Cody drives but props to him 💪🔥🔥🔥
as he should, the GOAT
Not as high as Eric look at his eyes lol
@@justincase6954 ?
@@tacklefatkids Goaty Ware 💪💪💪💪
Chase Elliott hasn't raced in 2 races and still gained 3 spots XD
He’s so talented he can literally do nothing still take Ws
💀fr
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Isn't it convenient that the most popular driver avoids penalties? Because I'm sure this was only done at Phoenix 🙄
@draneym2003 he wasn't racing, and is already losing points for being out. What conspiracy are yall always trying to make?
When you're running that much faster than the whole field, and it's consistent in all 4 cars, the rules folks are going to go over everything with a fine toothed comb...kinda bad on Hendrick to get caught on something like this, since it's so obvious. I know they say NASCAR didn't communicate clearly (no doubt they're right about that), but they have been pretty consistent about hammering any team that makes any changes to parts.
Thank you
Youve got other teams out there that deserve a fair chance to win too
This World is all about Lies
I Love Nascar
Im losing faith here
I honestly don't get why or how HMS came to this situation? Did they think Nascar would treat them differently, or thought the modification was lawful? Beats me! that's why I believe fans deserve to know more about this and past severe penalties.
I’m an HMS fan and totally agree. Not racing with the parts makes me think….will they win the appeal?
They were given the parts and they didn't fit so they modified them
It's just Tricky Rick Hendrick at it again. He's not new to trying to manipulate things to benefit his team even more. Them cheating chevies...
@@vidmasterK1 let's face it man every team no matter the manufacturer cheats
@@vidmasterK1 EVERY SINGLE nascar team bends the rules. If you aren’t trying to bend the rules, you are not winning in NASCAR, this is well documented among retired drivers...
I mean, it’s in line with what they did to RFK. Hitting Justin Haley with the same thing though, Jesus. He’s already dead, leave him alone.
And RFK did it twice. Once for safety, the second time for aero.
I just don't understand why they would take a risk like this, especially when they already had speed. How did that work out for them?
This sucks as a bowman fan, I think it's a bit ridiculous since they didn't even race with it, I hope at least the points get given back
The main one I'm worried about is Bowman. He was literally leading the points just on consistency, and now this could have ruined his playoff hopes unless he wins. I'm hoping Hendrick's appeal gets approved, because they have just been great, including at Vegas a couple of weeks ago.
You've also gotta feel bad for Justin Haley. I have never seen a driver with -40 points.
bowman will easily win a race soon. i really love how him and byron are lookin
It’s still early in the season he’ll probably end up getting it back.
Michael Waltrip and Carl Long have both been where Haley is lol... he will be okay
Yeah gotta feel for Justin Haley he got the worst end of the stick.
bowman fan here, devastated
You definitely articulated the gravity of the Hendrick penalties Eric wow.
as a fan of Alex Bowman we will never know the happiness he is consistent and more he first in the championship for the first time in his career. and justin haley goes from 60 to -40 it's brutal I hope Kauling will also appeal especially since it's weird there's only one car out of the two that had the parts confiscated
I feel ur pain dud
Has anyone addressed the issue of consistency in the manufacture of these “single source” parts? Can they prove that the changes made by Hendrick? Or was there some anomalies during manufacture.
Great question ...
If you have the CAD drawings and parts dimensions when they arrived, you could.
I'm thinking that Chad and the team for Garage 56 found this (and likely more to come) increased performance and implement it in the Cup cars!
Yes but it didnt improve performance because they only used them in practise!
I think it needs to be asked. Did Hendrick or Chevy find this advantage while testing the Garage 56 car?
Good One
Just be fair
Theres 40 teams on thid field
Its depressing
Im serious
Im not surprised
Its a new car
How is it that the Chevy is so dominant
Im not stupid
I want someone outside of Nascar to tear down all three of the auto makers car
I bet you will see the Chevy has an advantage
I drive a Chevy
I hate cheaters
Your manipulating me if your cheating
If you win somerhing and you cheated
In Gods Eyes
You didnt win
Period
The thing everyone seems to overlook is that the Next Gen car was made from parts supplied by the lowerst bidder. Good quality and low price rarely go together.
Yep.. that what I have been saying!! I think going to the new car has sucked in my book because it more less gives nascar full control over everything!!
Looks like Chase 's injury couldn't have happened at a better time. He'll be back one or two weeks after Alan's suspension ends.
The most interesting part of this is was the Kaulig in violation the exact same way? If so, why would 2 different teams from the same manufacturer that don't have a technical alliance have the EXACT SAME violation if it wasn't NASCAR incorrectly communicating something to the teams.
Exactly my thoughts! What’s the connection? Seems weird and strange coincidence that 2 teams not affiliated got busted at same time for modifying same part , guess it’s possible, but not likely… 🤷♂️…. Let’s go racing boys 🏁
Rick Hendrick will feel every bit of that half-a-million dollars.
"I have... you have more points than Justin Haley." Lol
Ik we should all be driving 😅
Makes ya wonder if they had those louvers the entire short so far season with the speed that they had. Oh and Byron's win - Harvick's crew chief "gave" that to Byron with a slow four tire stop that Kevin couldn't overcome vs a 2 tire stop that Byron made. That's what happens all too often with an overtime race and one of the reasons I still watch these races.
So I think the thing that hurts Hendrick the worst is the loss of the Crew Chiefs. The Crew Chief driver combos are some of the best in the cup series. The drivers losing them hurts them the worst in my opinion.
"The entire complexion of this season has changed", but has it?
They can still win a race and with the top 30 rule being gone, qualify for the playoffs... Where the points reset anyway.
It has no effects in my opinion.
"These parts actually fit together, its obvious, they modified them"
The rule is clear and has been from the very beginning. You do NOT modify in any way any single source spec part NO MATTER WHAT! It doesn't matter if there is in your mind some good reason to do it, you DON'T do it. It's cracked but easily repaired? Throw it away and get a new one, don't fix it. It's a little out of spec but two swipes with a file can fix it? Don't to it, return to the manufacturer in exchange for new one. A hole is a little to small? Don't even think of drilling it out (except in some instances where the rules actually do allow that but those are clearly spelled out). Just don't do it, the rule is clear. You're going to have to find those little advantages elsewhere. Still plenty of room to play in the engine and setup departments.
Eric, kudos for being fair when it comes to penalty announcements. Your neutral approach to reporting on these issues is great…thank-you.
Dude was crying inside Hendrick bias is retarded
You can kind of tell hes pretty biased in a lot of areas when it comes to certain stuff if you have good attention to detail. He basically hates any Chevy or Toyota and is a big fan of fords, Penske and RFK. He brings up BK way too much for how irrelevant he is in the sport.
He is so biased. You can tell on his tone. He can’t be neutral doesn’t know how
@@memo134 his most recent video, you can tell he’s a huge keslowski and RFK fan .
Nascar needs to be more timely and transparent on these charges. What’s wrong with telling us what they have found.
This!
classified for National Security
Yeah so other teams can try the exact same thing.
@@jamesblunt1915 and they would get caught and ruin their seasons too?
@@Preest80 as a sanctioning body they can't disclose exactly what they found or what exactly hendrick did to the part bc then that opens the door for misinterpretation / manipulation from other teams going forward & i'd like to think they're not trying to go on a fine parade this season. That's not a good look for the sport. Hence, the unknown subconsciously deters teams from even attempting it
I wonder if they altered the louvres to make them match the CAD models they were given. If they were manufactured in such a way that they didn't match and it was a disadvantage to run them, i can understand why they would feel it was possible to get by on it. If that is the case, they might have a case. It'll be interesting to see what they bring forward.
By the rules, no they do not have a case. If the part doesn't meet specifications you return it as defective and get another one. You do NOT "fix" it. ANY modification, no matter the reason for it is a penalty unless specifically allowed in the rules. I say that last part because the rules do allow a few minor things like relocating a misplaced hole or something
@@wingracer1614 sure but if the part received isn’t the same as the approved part, there is a case. They approved a certain design for a reason
I think the rules state you go straight back to the manufacturer if there’s any issue with a single source part.
@@darthhull85 No there isn't. If the part received is not right, you return it as the defect that it is.
Maybe it is that the part needs a new manufacturer, all teams except a few have been hit with penalties? It seems that the part needs to be made to fit.
Chase now is going to be happy that he got hurt
Everyone is acting like the exact same penalty wasn’t given to RFK last year. Don’t modify single source parts.
I remember what happened to RFK last year
Dude 400000 dollars is a drop in the bucket to Hendrick motorsports. Plus I'll be shocked if it isn't overturned
It's against my favorite team and I agree. We all knew after last year DON'T MESS WITH SPEC PARTS" this shouldn't have been a surprise or "controversial"
I'm kinda losing brain cells trying to explain this to people
If Rick or Jeff new about this beforehand then shame on them for putting those teams in that position. If they didn't know then someone needs to be fired
What did NASCAR miss while focusing on the hood louvres?
Hendrick had to borrow louvers from other Chevy teams for the race.
My biggest complaint is nascar not saying why they were penalized. Almost Half a million in fines and over 2 races of points I feel like we should know exactly what they modified
They behave like the Mafia
Why wasn’t the win taken away??? Last year at Pocono, they took Denny Hamlin’s win away, and Kyle Bush’s second place finish away for a piece of f’ing tape underneath the wrap on the spoiler/bumper on the front🤔🤔
Because they didn't race with them if they raced with the modified parts then most likely the win would have been taking away
Chase Elliot is sitting at home going. "You see. With out me everything falls apart." Lol
NASCAR did make it clear about modifying parts.
Glad to see that NASCAR dropped the hammer on the team that most people figured would be able to wiggle their way out of it. The message is clear: Mess with the standardized parts and will make sure you pay. Good on NASCAR.
Yeah, i am bored of seeing them winning tbh.
Maybe nascar shouldn't have given them crappy parts and this wouldn't have happened.
As a Hendrick fan [48] i feel for the drivers who probably knew nothing about this. Just as well they have all got long contracts now but still what a horrible season its going to be. Plus with Fox, probably ignore all four cars as well!!
For anyone who thinks this is ridiculous, you're correct but don't forget when the Gibbs cars were fined (for the period. I believe it was 2014) just as bad when they showed up to track and were caught with modified oil pans. They never ran a race or even practiced just like the Hendrick cars. Someone noticed the oil pans when the cars were being unloaded and called the officials to report them.
Now we know how BK felt
I am happy this does not affect Chase Elliott at all. (The way I read it, 10 owner playoff points, not 10 driver playoff points.) Also, your !00,000 graphic says 100,00 right now.
@@johnhaas2523 True, there are indirect implications that affect Chase, like Alan not being at the track for 4 races now, and he loses out on top 10 in points playoff points and race experience in his time off, but the 5, 24, 31, and 48 have a 10 driver and owner playoff point deduction now, which is huge.
One thing I will say is this is HMS they are not roush i doubt they will contend for the regular season championship but they are still not out of the big prize
There Is Nothing More Obvious Over The Past 20yrs. Of NASCAR That If You Are A Ford Team, Driver, Organization, Or Fan You Are Quietly Shunned.
The Rule Packages Need To Be Done Over Winter Break Before The Up And Comming NASCAR Season.
Once The Packages Are Finalized Then They Need To Remain In Place.
NASCAR Should Never Go Against There Own Seasonal Rules If A Team, Driver, Or Manufacturer Do Better By Changing The Rules To There Partisan Discretions On A Week By Week Basis.
Ross Braun: Breaking the rules will cause teams to lose championships
NASCAR: *hold my beer and watch this*
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NASCAR needs to tell all and and put all the reasons on how this would have helped the Hendrick cars. If they would use all the drama the teams cause by trying to gain an advantage and explain maybe more people would start taking an interest and start watching!
It’s about damn time penalties have consequences.
Hate that Denny got penalized points drivers should be allowed to be honest not good for the sport
This is something HMS deserves. Sorry to say but they skate the fine line all the time anyway, probably getting by with more than their fair amount of modifications over the years as I'm sure all teams have. Hope this is a wake up call to lesser teams to not try it.
Nascar would crap a big one if Rick just says I'm done closed the doors and laid everyone off
I thought about that too. He's old and doesn't need this shit. Lol
@@hollygolden9673 yep sell 4 charters put that 40 million and the 400 hundred thousand in his pocket and live good not sure how many teams he supplies engines too but wouldn't be able to race either
This is going to make Hendrick's teams fight for those stage wins to lessen that blow in the playoffs, plus putting them in a huge hole.
Stage wins...what joke. Racing should and always has been about winning races. All this silliness has made NASCAR a clown show. Stages, cookie cutter tracks and cars and the Chase and it just keep getting worse. Once a big fan, I quit watching years ago.
@@marcpennington9938 Thus would beg the question "Why are you watching and replying to a NASCAR themed posting?"
-40 points is crazy! I think haley's season is over from that
If Chevy continues to be as fast as they have been, this won't matter.
True this is going to be a garbage year if Chevy keeps winning
I feel that Hendrick is going to be in the Chase. In fact, I would be surprised if all four cars don't make it in
Well Justin Haley is probably fucked
A couple years ago Harvick won the regular season championship by 120+ points so it’s possible
Just to confirm though... Byron won w/out the hood louvers in question right?
Yes
The took the louvers before any on track activities
The louvres were confiscated before Qualifying. So apparently the louvres were not an advantage because all of the Hendrick car's were still fast.
Even though it was modified I am confused because in practice with them Byron was 20TH without them race winner and THEY PASSED TECH INSPECTION how does this penalty make any sense
@@christianfehr8652 Wrong NASCAR saw something with the louvres before Practice, but still let them practice with them, it was only after practice NASCAR confiscated the louvres.
DO NOT MODIFY MEANS DO NOT MODIFY! Even I can understand that
The appeal process is going to be crazy interesting
And Hendrick might have a point to bring up to the appeal council
They clearly have a point - and SELF REPORTED an issue with quality on these parts to NASCAR. Only to have NASCAR call them out during inspection. This is getting overturned. Maybe not the fines - but the points won't stand. This is mostly to scare the other teams. Unless NASCAR can prove they were tampered with - which I doubt.
@@jimboscthe rule is pretty clear I don’t like their chances unfortunately
@@jimbosc Huh?
Nascar found it in tech before practice and still let them run before taking them. Hendricks definitely has a case to appeal.
@@shaynejenkins446 The rules don't say anything about having to have practiced and/or raced with the modified part. Simply showing up the the track with it on the car is more than enough.
NASCAR is doing everything it can think of to keep Hendrick from winning. New car design, quick cautions, and bogus penalties. It's not going to work, NASCAR.
Largest ever???????!!!!!!!!!!!
Largest for an entire team.
Can you explain how William Byron was able to keep the win and Denny Hamlin had a win taken away from him last year?
So Haley has to gain 40 points before he can have points again? 😳
Sounds like he’s IN THE HOLE
He is not even 36th. Jimmie gas one point and Haley is not even ranked in points.😂
Did you forget that they raced without those and still won and had all 4 in the top 10? It's weird you are wondering if it will affect performance
Glad to see it. The rules are clear and some people think they can still do as they please even if it isn't an out and out performance advantage modification. Cant touch a single source part. Black and white.
Why are these penalties so large when NASCAR took away Hendrick's hood louvers before the race even started? They didn't have an advantage during the race. The penalty should've been all 4 Hendrick cars + Haley start the Phoenix race 2 laps down.
In my opinion, this is WAYY too much when all they did was run practice with it. I don't see any reason to have something THIS BIG.
Well I agree with that, but NASCAR has to make an example and be consistent with NO messing around with part's. And I'm a Hendrick Fan.
@@jonathan3982 nascar has gone woke and the next gen cars are trash! Hence all the injuries,fire getting into the car with harvick etc. also nascar doesn’t explain shit and this penalty is way over the top
@@Hamasisfilthytrash dude, don't type anything again...dumb shit comes out of you when you type stuff....stay away from a keyboard
@@Hamasisfilthytrash What does NASCAR being "woke" have to do with anything in this conversation?
@@LoxyLight Exactly
They knew they changed the parts, they knew they weren’t allowed. Feeling happy NASCAR did something
The drivers are the ones really getting screwed here. And they did nothing wrong. Sucks.
But did the drivers know? I would think that they did...
It's a team, deal with it
I actually think penalizing just the owner’s points makes sense if the drivers had no idea.
They didn’t even go through pre race inspection with them…..still won the race…nascar needs to go
@@jeffarmentrout2863 I dont think we would ever know, got to be some clause for them to keep schtum about what they might know or see.
Nascar foundation just made a half a mil in a day, they'll help a lot of people.
Knew this was coming today along with the Denny Hamlin penalty.
What's Denny getting penalized for?
@@jonathan3982 intentionally wrecking Ross Chastain he got hit with a 25 point reduction and 50 thousand dollars fine
@@mythicgamer6291 Oh ok thanks for the info, I haven't heard about Denny.
I used to race motorcycles & a few cars back in the day. Everybody cheats, but... if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. We all knew we could get caught, knew the rules & penalties & had to just eat shit & race another day when we got nicked.
And ZAP!!! Went all the points Byron just earned. 😭😭😭
Can't take awY the wins and that will probably help him get into the playoff unless they have more than 16 winners!
He will get his points back after Hendricks wins the appeal
That’s brutal indeed. Seems they still need to get ahead driver aggression as well. Still waiting on losing points for the following season ob deliberate crashes.
okay I see people saying it makes no sense since they didn't race with the parts since NASCAR took them but maybe they did race with them in the race before and that could be why they took them and dropped the hammer... but that is just a spit ball idea based on no real information since I just heard about all this and haven't really caught up on all the information.
It may not affect them performance wise this year, but it could the next couple years too. It could be like 2018&19'. That's a lot of money lost in R&D the field will pass them by
P.S I'm getting tired of this spec-racing, slot car version of Nascar. They HAVE to start letting teams have some kind of options. As seen by all of the part failures we've had at this point.
NASCAR is selling itself as "cost-effective", which means you get spec parts. Getting spec parts means rules have to protect those parts from any sort of silliness teams may wish to do to them.
@Anubiam So you agree Nascars killing itself or its already dead because teams have no money?
@@jakobbuckles4472 NASCAR died with Dale years ago. It's just a zombie corps walking around waiting for the final shotgun slug or chainsaw to the head! Their unwillingness to move away from over the air broadcast networks is going to be a major part of their undoing. The FCC is doing everything it can to kill national TV broadcasts as it is. They're so worried about those TV deals, they can't even see the writing on the wall!
@@jakobbuckles4472Is Indycar dead/dying? They use spec parts, and they have been using spec parts
@@craigstephenson7676 ya and people keep saying Indycar is better than Nascar
I read in an HMS statement that they were going to appeal but would go ahead and have the crew chiefs begin their suspensions starting this weekend at Atlanta
As a Hendrick fan, I'm kinda glad this happened. Now hopefully people will shut up with the Hendrick gets away with cheating ans never gets in trouble stuff. Hendrick will be fine, it will hurt but they will be fine.
Exactly
We didn’t deserve to be punished tho it wasn’t use in the race
@@Zbgaming23 - Exactly! Wasn’t used at all!! I’m so pissed…
I'm a Hendrick fan. I really think the penalty would not have been the same if Chase was in the car. I remember that BS "reset" pitstop at Martinsville a couple years ago.
Im a Hendricks fan. Now they have to rely on Chase Elliott for a championship run the other 3 our fucked
Crew Chiefs don't personally pay the fines. And Mr. H has more money than Gawd and JC combined. He won't even notice the monetary penalties. Kaulig I don't know. Probably that $100k is going to sting. Back up crew chiefs are not that big of a loss on race day either. Main guys can literally phone it in on race day anyway.
But what does really hurt is the points penalties to all teams.
I've been waiting for this episode £ric, give'em hell!
I get my Nascar facts from you Eric. ( Kenny Wallace sounds like he be drinkin)
I hope they are consistent with the severity of penalties going forward.
Some reports, not from Hendricks, the parts supplied by NASCAR were crap and didn’t fit correctly and were made to fit by changing the fitment. If this is the case then NASCAR needs to supply correct fitting 9:41 parts.
Nice commentary Eric. I applaud NASCAR for dropping the hammer on Hendrick. A part of me was thinking earlier in the week that NASCAR would find some wiggle room to let them off the hook. Glad it didn't happen. And BTW, it should have rated as honorable mention, but Hamlin got hit with a $50,000 fine and a loss of 25 driver points for intentionally wrecking RC on the last lap.
So you’re commend nascar for taking 100 hard earned points?? You must work for them
Eric is probably working on a second video since the Hamlin/Chastain rivalry is enough of a story all on its own.
@@Jamesboyyy-d2s penalties are already set in stone. teams know not to break the rules. a penalty earned is a penalty well deserved.
The parts were bad to start and NASCAR didn't listen when HMS told them so. Unfair penalty.
@@Jamesboyyy-d2s 3 teams last year had 100 hard earned points taken from them. Were you so concerned then?
Nascar would never ever ever do the same with 2311. Just saying some truth!
Massive penalty yes but with the playoffs becoming more stupid every year all they have to do is win a race and they’re in like I highly doubt any of the hendrick drivers will have a tough time getting a win maybe bowman????
Chase Elliott hasn’t raced in 2 events and is the 2nd highest Hendrick driver 5pts behind Alex bowman!! Wow!!!!
Is it just possible that those parts are exactly the way HMS received them??
When Eric said nascar dropped the hammer did anyone else think of Days of Thunder? Cole - I'm dropping the hammer
Harry - NO YOUR NOT
Wow. Holly shit. Good thing Byron has won twice this year. All 3 drivers have to win to make the chase this year. This is crazy. Poor Justin Haley.
Justin is going. "I should have joined Joe Gibbs Racing."
Trent owens will miss have missed 16 of the last 44 races for the 31
If they fine a team in any way they should be required to explain what and how the rules were broken. If they won’t explain in detail to us , the fans that support racing, then I guess I won’t support NASCAR any more. I have been a fan since the early 90s and am getting tired of Nascars heavy hand. What has happened to run what you brung. If they don’t detail just what Hendricks did to be fined such a ridiculous penalty then I might never watch another race. Who is with me ?? Great show Eric…….
I can tell you what they did. They modified a part. What more do you need to know? It doesn't matter how or why they did it, just doing it is illegal.
It had to do with how the louvers fit. I believe HMS and Kaulig may have broken them into 3 pieces somehow instead of 1. I believe it was supposed to be a single piece part.
@@wingracer1614You can modify a part for safety or if NASCAR approves the modification in some way via the manufacturer’s approval. They had permission to make those parts fit, so if they made the modifications based on the manufacturer’s approval, then the penalties might be reduced.
@@easyenetwork2023 If they modified them with NASCAR's approval, there is no penalty, it is legal. If they had no such approval it is illegal PERIOD! There is no grey area, there is no penalty reduction. It's all or nothing.
@@easyenetwork2023 Doesn't matter. If it doesn't fit, it's defective and you return it to the manufacturer. You don't find it funny that ALL of their cars had "defective" ones on them yet as soon as they were confiscated, they got replaced with non defective ones?
As a massive HMS fan, this totally sucks. There’s no hiding from it, period. I wonder how this gets through the shop with everyone knowing the fines. Makes no sense with all the speed and talent they have. Did RFK parts make it in the race? Will the appeal change things because it was not used in the race? I know I’ll get throttled for asking but I think it’s a fair question. I mean, if this part was not going to do that much why touch it, and it’s so visible everyone can see it! Ugh sorry just pissed as a fan that this happened. If they did it on purpose then why not just try it on one car? Why all four? I mean, really. Well I guess I’ll start looking at the points sometime in June and see where then are at that point. Enjoy the rest of the season Nascar fans!
Hope rcr now can provide and win the championship.
Nope Denny deserves a title and I’m a truex fan!
@@Hamasisfilthytrash denny wont win a championship is my prediction
@@Hamasisfilthytrash Denny is more concerned about wrecking someone for 23 place.
Nothing beats seeing your favorite driver below Cody aware in the standings 4 races in
Honestly, NASCAR should have a test with certain parts vs spec parts and see what parts doesn't give an advantage and what parts do. That way, it can give some leeway on what can and can't be different as long as it comes from the template
I would rather see small teams get some wins for once! F Hendick Motorsports!
Entire NASCAR world questioning reality rn 😮😮😮
I know because it’s rare seeing nascar being fair
It is! Never had I thought the day would come when Hendrick would really get caught and pay.
@@nathanmiddaugh6986 Hendricks set up Nascar and is exploiting all the carp parts they give to teams. It was planned to have all 4 cars with the the faulty louvers and 4 extras to show Nascar. Hendricks volunteered the inspection of them on purpose before practice. and Nascar still let them run them for practice. Nascar f'd up
I'm sticking with what I said before, GARAGE 56 is the reason behind this. Nascar just needs to end the project and take the car away from Hendrick once and for all.
Man Bowman Fans can’t have anything nice 😭