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GG ALLIN: The ultimate punk rocker?? (Lunatic or genius?)
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Was GG Allin the ultimate punk rocker? And what is GG Allin's impact and influence on punk? Some of what I look at:
* GG Allin's childhood and early releases with The Jabbers
* How the legend of GG Allin grew when he appeared on TV news and talk shows like Jerry Springer
* The GG Allin documentary "Hated" (by Todd Phillips who also directed "Old School," "The Hangover" and "Joker")
* His influence on bands like CKY ("Bite It You Scum") and Nirvana
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0:00 Intro
3:05 The early years (GG Allin & The Jabbers)
7:52 The decline of GG Allin
11:27 Prison, Jerry Springer and GG's death
15:21 GG Allin's legacy and impact
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Do Did Vicious!
next mayby ozzy osborne
You're my dad
Doesn't matter that much but that 1st picture that was used for always was isn't the real cover. The next one with the lyrics and him wearing a Jean jacket is the original...
Please stop using this scummy sponcer they are a casino for kids
The fascination with GG Allin is comparable to our morbid curiosity with true crime or car crashes. Its just this outlandish thing we can't look away from.
I think that's very true.!
If GG were born in the 90s, he would have been a school shooter. People like him are just a type.
It's a little more than that, i remember a time where i felt like i had nothing left to lose, pure chaos and hopelessness in my life, seeing gg allins performances was so cathartic, everyone their is fucked up like me but they just play the night away, societal concepts and morals be damned, but just for one night
He's basically Bumfights with worse music.
The difference is he was a fuckin human being
When Kurt Cobain said he had tickets to a GG Allin show back in the late 80's/early 90's and refused to go because he "feared for his own life " is a testament to the INSANITY of GG'S live performances 😳
Bitch I ain't goin either....fuck...I mean I'll go see Sunami and just take the crowdkill risk even though I don't want to get hit but I'm not going to see this motherfucker if he ever comes back to life or something....shit...fuck...no...lol not even if I was his biggest fan. Not without like a full can of bear mace and a gun just in case of an emergency or some shit.
Kurt just didn't get it. " Smells like GG Allin", would have been a better song.
@@darrenlane6316 AGREED!!
That was during pre-fame. He would have been fine. Covered in shit but fine.
@@darrenlane6316 very witty
I watched a documentary on him yesterday, where the author pointed out that GG had all the personality hallmarks of a potential serial killer. Then, as it turned out, he channelled all this energy into his music and stage persona instead. Makes total sense to me
Didn’t he also claim to have killed a few people? Maybe he was just saying that for the sake of saying it, but it’s not unbelievable
In 2 different interviews on TV, he explicitly said that he would have been a serial killer if he didn't make music.
He said if he wasn’t a musician he would have killed people he did kill himself tbf
Anything makes sense to an idiot bruh
what doc was this ? i wanna watch
'The true story of a punk rock legend, but first a word from our sponsor'
So what?
I was able to see GG twice and I met him one time. The man in person was more reserved than you might think
And he was also respectful to my girlfriend at the time, but you could see the chaos of a somewhat unstable person in his eyes.
Good video, Finn.
Sleazy P Martini from Gwar said the same thing when he met him at a bar at one time. Its like he can turn the character on and off.
Li met him in Atlanta in 92 when I was 15, he seemed normal to me "scratch scratch"
@@grandspringdale1564 at the Wreck Room? I was probably there… I miss that place.
@@dangolguitartech affirmative. My friend Rat boy's mom took us there pand wasp waiting outside in tha Station wagon, she said "lok kids what time is the concert gonna be over?" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@grandspringdale1564 not a very long wait for mom that night.🤠
I'm a new dad, and ever since becoming one, seeing stuff like this where babies and children were subject to abuse and torment and ended up as messed up people really just makes me upset and disturbed and hits in a way like it never used to.
But his rape comments didn't concern you?
I know how you feel. Use that hit to ensure your kid has the best life possible. That's how I see it
@@dman3316 No doubt!
You're my friend
@@chippsdubbo89 you're my best friend
GG was a product of the times he grew up in and the environment afforded to him, he lived a lot longer than many of the Hollywood child stars, we all have one life to make our mark.
I met GG Allin in 1987 on a bus in New Hampshire. We were both traveling to Littleton, New Hampshire. I was 16 at the time in 1987 and we hung out on the bus and then we went and got stoned in Littleton and hung out for a while. He was the coolest dude down to earth and laid back. In fact, I was shocked to see him as he is on stage. At the time I didn't know who he was. He did tell me he was in the band GG Allin and the Scumf*cks. Rest in peace bro
Never happened
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That's so cool
@@frog_king8383 GG was by all accounts a totally normal guy when he wasn't on stage
"..we can understand the reasons why but that doesn't make it ok." That quote perfectly sums up people like GG and hell even famous criminals.
You can have sympathy/empathy/understanding for people like that but it still doesn't excuse the fuck up shit they did.
Exactly. It is an understanding that can help see warning signs before things get out of control, and humanizing such people is to remember that they were born innocent, like the rest, and should inspire us to help make the world a better place, a world less likely to produce people like GG.
@@crazydud3380 you're my dad
@@poopsock7493 LOL, I am about to become one, so glad I'm already talking like one
I believe in reasons, not excuses. 👍
It's a vicious cycle, it takes a lot of strength to break that cycle. Not saying people who partake in it are condoned for their actions, just saying it takes a lot in a person to not keep it going.
"He wasn't part of the punk scene." Well by punk standards doesn't that just make him more punk?
Correct. GGs brother Merle said he hated just about everyone. GG was to busy screwing over venue promoters and getting out of town to be part of any "scene". I met him once before he went to prison in Michigan. Imagine the smelliest most stankiest sweaty hobo you could imagine x100.
yeah its like he wasnt part of our little clique which means hes not punk like us
Just like when Burzum said he hates black metal. Thus making him even more black metal
Technically, yes. Debating his "punk- ess" is moot. He followed no rules. He's still an idiot.
Punk isn't even punk enough to be punk. It eats itself
He represents the Terminus of Rock N Roll and Punk. It starts at Folk Rock and ends at Punk Rock...with him as the most extreme point to which anyone can take their art
GG is a perfect example of the phrase: Trauma explains the behavior but doesn't excuse it.
The crazy shit about this is how much extra stuff has been left out detailing his life. This guy traded letters with John Wayne Gacy so much that Gacy put him on his visitor list for an in person visit.
This was really a crap depiction of GG AFAIC
Not only that he made the cover art for Hated
@@TingTingalingy Why do you say that? I ask this sincerely because this video was the first exposure I had to GG.
@@nextlevel49 he's worth researching, I haven't watched this video since I commented. I'll listen to it while i grocery shop. If things stick out to me, I'll share what I can. He was completely nuts, but largely it was an act. Not completely, but largely. My sister is friends with GG's brother, Merle. She actually has stuff that was GG's.
I introduced him to Gacy via mail
But GG never visited Gacy.
( we were supposed to visit John together but it didnt happen) i visited him 3 times , for the record. I will not comment further on this subject tho. Already lived it.
I honestly feel so bad for gg, growing up like that would really affect you mentally. He wasn’t too bad musically on some of his material, it makes you wonder what he could of made musically if he grew up in a more stable household.
Great video Finn!
I doubt he would have done much musically. Growing up in a good home doesn't make you a decent person. Growing up in a terrible home doesn't make you violent and abusive. Some people suck regardless of their upbringing. If you're looking for excuses, you'll always find them.
I doubt it, if he was stable, I don't even think he would seek out a music career, music was the stage to his psychopathy, without that there wasn't much too him beyond shock, and those who contextualize him into something bigger
@@shortlivedglory3314 i get that, its just something to think about.
@@Vincentfrazle im your business
@@shortlivedglory3314 if you think growing up in shitty conditions doesn't drastically increase the likelihood of being mentally fucked then you're completely ignoring scientific fact.
Nirvana did not "draw influence" from GG. Grohl said his death photo was disgusting; Kurt said he was afraid to go to his show; Krist said bodily fluids were not cool in the AIDS era. It was about 15 seconds of interview time. And I didn't even attend, let alone graduate with an MBA. Keep studying.
Kids today have no idea what "Punk" is... Those days are long gone. Yes there's an underground scene that's somewhat keeping it alive, but again... Those days will never happen again...
If he was a genius then I’ve got a lot of geniuses in the homeless area in my city ☠️
Same there's plenty of junkies who beat people up and wallow I their own shit in my town
And they have houses
Lol right? This dude sounds like half the mentally ill homeless people who show up at the Emergency Room I work at.
Very interesting video. Crazy that he had such a following
Lmao
Jesus Christ have some empathy you ghoul. You are only two or three bad decisions away from becoming the ones that you fear and pity.
there actually might be. don't judge people on their illness or financial situation.
something I never understood is how merle and GG experienced the same trauma, and lived similar lives, but GG imploded on himself, and Merle is still living a somewhat normal well adjusted life. It's weird how that works
Merle wasn't normal either. Look at his fb
GG seemed to inherit his dad's mental illness. Everyone is crazy up here. It was full of mental hospitals, and Reagan shut them all down creating the Lovecraftian race of people you see before you here . . . The Granite Ones
And some people hear voices that aren't there. Sometimes shit just happens to people...🤷♂️
@@upperclassnoobs whats he post on fb?
People react to trauma differently and their brains develop differently to cope with it. What they probably had in common though was the part of their brain where "fight or flight" kicks in was very likely always engaged. GG probably used his behavior as a way to cope with that, while Merle probably had different ways to cope with it. I'm not the best source to turn to for something like this though, because I work with traumatized kids, not traumatized adults, but I do know for certain that the trauma they received as children would have made it so their brains developed differently, with the "fight or flight" instinct always engaged at any perceived threat and without the ability to subconsciously rationalize through the perceived threat and disengage the "fight or flight" response. From experience, kids that have trauma react differently to it. I've had one kid yelling and throwing things in response to a perceived threat while another kid runs to the corner of the classroom and curls up in a ball. There's no way to tell how two people will cope to the same trauma, you can only see the patterns in how they react and try to figure out what triggers responses and hope you can prevent those situations form happening.
GG to me from '84 to '91 he had a wonderful couple of records. He wasn't punk in that era, but more a vicious sociopathic making rock music. His existence has been hell and he grew up to be in some twisted way, the musician Charles Manson would have become if he wouldn't have been in the '60s with psychedelic music and culture...
He was surely a troubled individual, yet at the same time, he wasn't as nearly as dumb as he wanted to portray his bi-dimensional character.
The first records were punky but not definitely in my taste. Maybe not the ultimate punk rocker, but surely the ultimate rock loner.
I had his Trucker music tape. Pure country ballads a!
He was, imo, a guy that needed help
Extremely well done. I loved it as a musician and a trauma therapist. Your use of language around mental illness and trauma was spot on. Thanks and keep up the great work!
I think you nailed it at the end with the two different types of fans of GG. I have a few friends who are into him and I know one of my friends who likes him had a really rough childhood that he's never really talked about. Watching this has put things into a different perspective.
Great work as always, Finn!
Funfact: The Wrestlers like Darbi Allin from AEW and Gigi Dollin from NXT made their names as a reference to GG Allin.
Fun Fact: GG was a name given to him by his brother's, Merle, pronounce attempt of Jesus Christ Allin. GG Allin was born Jesus Christ Allin then legally transferred his name after the mother and brother deserted the father of Kevin Michael Allin...
Laying on the floor in a pool of blood and cum
My demons lay beside as I kiss them one by one
Then on that day I met a force that nothing will compare
I was born the son of evil when I fuck the devil there
My daddy was a powerful soul back in '56
My mother was a virgin when she first felt his prick
Then on August 29th, baby Jesus Christ was born
An alien to the world, he was set out to destroy
I'm the son of evil, the God of Fire in Hell
I'm the son of evil, the one you'll never know
As I look into your eyes, you only cry for help
I want to paralyze you 'cause I only love myself
But when I was reborn from the day I fucked the devil
Nothing will come close to me because I am immortal
Many lives I've lived, and many times I've died
But my soul cannot be stopped, as it's on an endless ride
As I look into your eyes, you'll see an icy stare
I want to bring you to your knees, destroy your life right there
Put your hand in mine as I take you for a ride
You'll see your life be stripped away, 'cause today your gonna die
I'm the son of evil, the God of Fire in Hell
I'm the son of evil, the one you'll never know
As I look into your eyes, you only cry for help
I want to paralyze you 'cause I only love myself
Laying on the floor in a pool of blood and cum
My demons lay beside as I kiss them one by one
For on that night I met a force that nothing will compare
I was born the son of evil when I fuck the devil there
My daddy was a powerful soul back in '56
My mother was a virgin when she first felt his prick
Then on August 29th, baby Jesus Christ was born
An alien to the world, he was set out to destroy
An alien to the world, he was set out to destroy
An alien to the world, he was set out to destroy
There’s only one “GG Allin of wrestling” and that’s New Jack
@@erickghoul174 totally he ain't a gimmick, he is the real deal!
When I was a kid, he got the only skatepark we had shut down. He performed there and the resulting fines were more than the owner could deal with.
prolly had different roles in the abuse system...one golden child, one scapegoat....maybe?
I went through a HUGE gg allin faze when I wasn’t in such a good place in my life lol. A lot of his country stuff, and his stuff with the jabbers still holds up
A friend showed me some documentary on GG sometime in the late 90s or early 2000s. I was completely turned off with the guy took a diarrhea $h¡t on stage, bent down and sucked it up into his mouth and spit it on the crowd. My friend loved it, but my friend was damaged also. He was a big, strong guy, and once after getting into some altercation with someone, ran through a Glass door then took out his knife and carved KILL/DIE deeeep in his arm. We went to jail together once, and when some mountain of a person told me I was in their spot, my friend stood up in their face and said “he aint in nobodies spot MF”, and the guy backed down... thank God. Unfortunately, but maybe not surprisingly, he was dead a couple years later… An overdose was thought to be the most likely culprit. He was a deeply damaged person inside, but he was also one of the kindest and best friends I ever had. RIP Jason
Thanks for sharing this story. Sorry about your friend's death.
I'm sorry for your friend too.
Rest easy Jason
I had a "Jason" in my life too, EverGray. Scary as fuk to some, a real jailbird but, kind and respectful to me. (he loved my guitar playing). Anyway, not surprisingly, he died too...RIP John.
I had a girl "Jason" let's say, she used to stand up for me too. However she was a damaged person, abused in chilhood and addicted to Hroin. But on top of all that she was what any girl like me could wish for as a friend, she passed around 10 years ago. Overdosed. I hope Jason and my Stephanie are now in peace.
If you haven’t heard it, his first album “Always Was, Is and Always Shall Be” is absolutely worth a listen. The songs are so well-written and infectious
thanks for the recommendation, never heard it
Heard it, anything by GG sucks. He’s pretty much saying any crap can be punk.
His swansong "Bloodshed & Brutallity For All" is one of my favorites of the 90s...
skinny long haired GG actually wanted to be a rock star and knew the people. there's pictures on facebook page to him.
What's the album called
This is one of the most thoughtful analyses of GG that I've ever seen. Well done!
The thing I love most about GG was his dedication to being "that guy"
I know you probably weren't real psyched making this video, but it was really good. I know a decent amount about GG but still learned some new stuff. Thanks Finn! And as always, great work.
I’ve always heard little bits and pieces about GG throughout the years, but never realized just how extreme he was. I don’t understand how at that time, or any time, someone known for being violent and destructive, shitting on stage and throwing it, and hurting people, etc, could find venues willing to participate, let alone band mates. I would have avoided him like the plague.
Timing was part of why he could find venues. This was a pre-internet world where many facts about people were often wrong, and everything was based on hearsay. So, when you hear oh this dude is gonna shit on stage, and the only way to really find out is to see at the show, it allowed him to be booked since people were really to make money off of the whole situation.
A co-worker of mine was an audio tech for one of GG's shows and they knew what to expect, so they covered all the stage monitors and other gear with garbage bags. Apparently the guy smelled so bad that they had to fetch his food, booze and whatever as he wasn't allowed inside any public places. And quite often he berated everyone in his path.
The venue I saw him at made you sign a waiver before you walked in that you couldn't sue the venue
My ex boyfriend from way back when used to hang out with GG, his name was Bobby Ebz and his band was called Genocide. He was hanging out with GG the day he died.
That last gig at The Gas Station and the walk of Fame in the NYC streets is historical. I keep going back to watch it.
I'm 52, & I remember GG alll too well. He used to write crazy long ass letters to MRR all the time. Thats where he announced his Halloween suicide plans. And a bunch of us punks would gossip about him at the coffee shops. Whats his latest exploits etc. He used to get guys in places all over the country to jam with him, & say they were in his band. My friend Tony pkayed guitar for him. My friends from long island were in a punk band called the Loiterers, those guys were at GGs final show in NYC. gg never cared a whit for his own life he certainly wasnt trying to extend it. He got smack talked for being in jail & unable to unfold his plan. I never laughed at him. I knew he was seriously mentally ill & very dangerous. The music was good but I don't think I would have gone to a show. Maybe if I were waaay in the back lol.
I remember reading some of those letters he wrote to MRR in some back issues I got. He said his public defender was a pussy and all kinds of shit like that. He also threatened to maybe take out some audience members as well, I guess as a way to pushback on the people who wanted to go see the freak show. I liked some of the music he put out but was mostly into the political stuff out there, not the lame, tame weak-punk shit Finny likes. I had the chance to see GG when he came down here on a tour but wasn't too interested. Then a while later we get the news that he died of an overdose. We also happened to catch some of those television talk shows like Jane Whitney that had GG on as a guest. That was a pleasant surprise, kind of like when we were watching David Letterman and The Ramones were the musical guests. Back then you weren't getting a lot of Punk on tv or the radio.
I don’t think GG himself was an example of what punk is but I think his story is. He was a warning of how society, the church, and drugs can fuck you up. I’ve never enjoyed his stuff but I can’t help but feel bad for him.
Same.
Can't believe fat mike would call gg a fake punk I saw the allin documentary gg was pretty solid he dressed like new York dolls in high school loved johnny thunders almost got killed by his fanatic dad and fat mike was a rich Jewish kid let's get real lol 🤷
@@leahflower9924 You're not punk because of what you wear or where you come from. You're punk because of your outlook and how you carry yourself.
@@hinesypoomusic he was part of the punk scene he played at the rat etc
His music was horrendous. I feel like that fact gets lost because everybody is distracted by his psycho antics. I'm glad he's dead. He was complete trash.
This is the perfect summation of GG. The only thing I’d add is how terrible of a world it must be to encourage this rather than seeking to help. He never seemed to ask for help, but the world enabled a tragic end to a tragic life.
He wasn't very poser ultimately. He was really punk.
he deserved his fate.
@@dannyboi2148 totally he was a pos Nazi punk.
That's not a common sentiment where poverty and mental illness are married
This kind of behavior in that scene is "cool" and "punk rock" and I'm guessing most people who should have been thinking "that man needs help" were saying "now THAT is punk rock!"
Love his cover of Warren Zevon's song "Carmelita".
When you say "he wasn't friends with other bands"; he was friends with Jello Biafra, believe it or not
I love the fact someone that insane lived, breathed and made music. There'll never be anything like it
He was also close friends with Joe Queer. They were both New Hampshire natives and even went to school together
Good
Was he really?? Does Jello talk about that?
I'm sure if given the opportunity Jello would have exploited GG the same way he did Wesley Willis.
He was also friends with Antiseen
His early videos and stuff with the jabbers is very Iggy pop/stooges, and very good. Classic early bubble gum pop styled punk. “Don’t talk to me” “you hate me and I hate you,” “automatic,” “up against a wall,” some of my favorite punk out there. Looking at his early life and what his father did is a pretty good insight into what started the later portions, which sucks as he was talented and the jabbers were fucking great. Bummer of a life story for sure
the world just focuses on the bald bloated GG
I like All the material he did From beginning to end.
I have 2 short stories about gg. My friend Larry's band opened for him in PA. When gg came on he chugged the rest of a bottle of whiskey on the stage and fell back, and the rest of the show apparently he was a mess and fought with some of the crowd.
In 1991 I was living in the east village, New York city and recognized him at a deli buying a sandwich. I was 17 and into hard-core, so I knew a few songs of his but I honestly didn't know how they sounded. I was a little bit scared when I saw him, and he seemed to be on something, but I said hi, you're gg allin right? He said yes I am, and I said cool, I've seen you on maximum rock and roll(fanzine), I don't remember what he said after but he was actually shockingly nice. I guess shocking because I didn't expect him to be nice, but he was cool. I think I may have said to him that I'd love to see him live some day but that i was kinda scared, he said, I hope you can make it and smiled. I wished him a nice day and went about my business. I felt a little star-struck,, what are the odds of meeting such an infamous punk.
After that I tried to get my hands on some music, my friend Dave had some songs and I was surprised by the melody and pop and old timey rock and roll sound to the tunes I heard and thought, wow this stuff doesn't sound crazy at at, I was into hard-core after all, so his music sounded fairly tame and poppy.
Anyway, the point is, he was surprisingly cool and I'll never forget that I met him one on one by accident that time.
He died shortly afterwards and I felt sorry that we'd lost a living legend.
He was a troubled person who needed help and he was not all bad, but yea we're fascinated by trainwrecks like him.
RIP GG
I know this is an older video now. But merle did several interviews for the soft white under belly, and there's kinda some new information out there now.
"What is punk", just might be the most flaccid debate in music.
I personally liked the way Kurt Cobain identified punk as “Liberation” because that’s a perspective thing.
Ok, poser
Growing up in the 1980s and 1990s, we heard the insane stories about GG Allin. We didn’t have the Internet back then, so we didn’t know if the stories were true.
When the Internet happened, we found out that most of those GG Allin stories were true. Horribly, insanely, terribly fascinatingly true.
I was introduced to GG Allin when I joined this punk band looking for a bassist when I was 21. The guys in the band were 10 yrs older than me. We covered "You Hate me and I Hate You" and "NYC Tonight" except we changed it to "Atlantic City Tonight" because we were in NJ. We played at local bars.
I think it’s interesting to get art like this from someone hurt, furious and expressing their thoughts. We’ve all had the same emotions of hate, lust, disdain, self loathing and he really captured it in his music. To call him a cartoon is shallow. He could have been helped, but society fucked him over as much as his father which kind of nails his expressions home even further.
At the end of the day he could have healed, but didn’t. But we got some music expressing some rare uncomfortable authenticity about what it’s like to feel so damaged.
You have to do a video about the Melvins. Those dudes have been keeping the punk ethos alive for nearly 40 years now. They're the only stoner/grunge/punk band that can experiment musically and not lose any fans
King Buzzo, Stoner Witch was my sophomore year of high school
Fucking love the Melvin's!!
@@nickdogg7320 you like Jesus Lizard?
@@Soy_Bomb never heard of em. They good. My favorite album is houdini.
Melvins were probably influenced by people like GG Dee Dee Ramone thunders and black flag
Raid would sponsor a video about GG
😂 😂😂
Raid is the ONLY one. lol
it's atleast the 20th time they have at this point. raid would sponsor Jared from subways autobiography.
Mr clean or Tide
I strongly disagree with the idea that he had limited musical talent. He was a decent drummer and before all the substance abuse, had a melodious voice. As the dude says in the video, his early material is pretty good, because it is.
When you watch GG uncensored you can see one major, major reason why he was how he was.
I remember discovering this guy in like 2006 when I was 13 and looking up his vids on the internet. I was SHOOK but couldn’t stop watching.
I struggle to empathize with rapists and child molesters. Maybe it’s just me
There's no evidence he did either. There's stories he raped a groupie once, but considering what we know about a lot of more famous musicians I wouldn't say that GG is unique in that regard.
it wasnt all just an act he really was a weirdo
on the surface of things yes , he surely was a huge pain in the ass for most people , but his manifesto against the corporate music industry , demonstrates his extreme lucidity on the matter !!!
So basically, he was more of a PERFORMANCE ARTIST than a musician.
@Øgrë What do you mean wrong?
He was about as punk as you could be, but like, TOO punk 😂 ... He truly embodied the punk spirit in the worst and most extreme way possible.
Depending on your definition of whatever the hell you think punk is. Personally, punk is the most overused phrase in music and fashion.
The hilarious thing is hearing stories and seeing photos of him over the years and then actually hearing his music, which is about as good as what he threw at his fans at shows.
You were expecting what? Bach?
the jabbers weren't bad
Fact: GG Allin asked no one to wash his corpse when he died so at his funeral he was still covered in shit, blood, and piss
GG stayed in the area around my hometown for a short while after he got out of prison in Michigan. A friend of mine dated him for a bit. She said he could be very calm and philosophical until he started drinking. He was full of rage after that. He beat her black and blue a few times, pulled a knife on her another time. She did say that in his calmer moments he told her about his mother having sex with both he and his brother while growing-up and he'd cry. They had a lot of very strict but weird rules in the house
whoa wtf... i never heard that part about their mom before holy shit.
I don’t believe that about his mother, she’s dead now and can’t respond but that seems outlandish. Remember, GG had mental illness. My grandmother is a paranoid schizophrenic and claims the clerks at the dollar store hit her everytime she visits, ppl w/ MI do imagine things.
@@KellyK387 It simply doesn't matter if you don't believe it, I was there and saw his lunacy. Could be that it wasn't true, but he was absolutely violent when the trigger flipped.
I've known about GG Allin since I heard my friends talk about him in high school, but based on the things they said I was never willing to really look into him. Thanks for putting this together so I didn't have to ever go wandering down this rabbit hole!
knowing that Finn made this video instead of the jared letto one is honestly hillarious
I love gg Allen I grew up listening to him and his music and still do. I don't idolize him as much but I do relate to him allot especially with his struggles with heroin addiction and alcoholism
You made excellent points, he was somebody to really feel sorry for.ive had mental health its hard, but getting help is important, im a better person today, i ignore any cruel remarks. People in glass houses should not throw stones.
This was such an odd time in “punk.” There was like this nihilism and darkness that was oozing out of Chicago and an increasing “F-U for real and we’re ok with being gross” vibe in bands like Poison Idea that descended from Black Flag, in my view. That led to a sort of arms race of awfulness leading to bands like the Mentors (“It’s a sandwich of love…”) and GG. It was fascinating as a terrible 14-year old, but GG was hard to take. The sorts that lionized him seemed disturbed to me and, ultimately, really self-destructive. Edit: misspelling.
EL DUCE WAS A ROCK GOD
@@josephfingerskates - I’ve got love for him and his band of men! His guitarist (Dr. Sickie Wifebeater?) was legit an amazing guitarist too.
There was a great documentary made a few years ago about El Duce called The El Duce Tapes. Some real raw footage of his last years alive.
@@josephfingerskates a rock god bwhahahaha!?! That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard
@@joeyarnold9372 he was a good ass drummer. Very influenced by billy cobham and mahivishnu orchestra
My favorite GG album is Brutality and Bloodshed for all. The band was just SO DAMN TIGHT and GG's performance and lyrics were exactly what you'd expect from GG. Merle and Dino are a great rhythm section and Bill Weber was a surprisingly decent guitarist. The sound quality was the best as far as GG recordings go as well. What an album to go out on!!! All In The Family was a really great doc as well!
Don Fury produced it, famous for his works with NY bands like Agnostic Front , YOT, SOIA and Born Against.
I LUV that LP too! The guitar work by Bill Webber is a cross between Johnny Ramone and Steve Jones!
one of my absolute favourite punk records of all time no doubt
Dude, GG was lazer focused after he got out of the pen.
Brutality is his best work, by far.
If he had lived, and kept putting out music like that, he would've gotten real attention.
Carnival Of Excess is great too, I'm a big country western fan, so it scratches that itch.
A lot of GG's antics were his on stage persona. I've seen video clips of him at record signings where he was well behaved, respectful and polite. On his music my favourite albums are Brutality And Bloodshed For All and the album he did with Antiseen called Murder Junkies.
Detroit 1989: "A local band pounded out a dirge riff while Allin took the stage wearing only a cowboy hat, boots, and a jockstrap. Obviously intoxicated and quivering with rage, Allin slurred insults into the microphone for a few minutes before suddenly squatting and letting loose with a torrent of excrement. He smeared himself with the waste, which was mixed with shards of glass from hurled bottles, and then launched himself into the audience, punching a girl and setting off a panic. While some scrambled for the exits, others focused their rage on the man they had paid to see. Skinheads dragged Allin into the parking lot to beat him silly. No songs were attempted. The whole show lasted 10 minutes."
From a website I found called The Stranger, written by one Fred Beldin. Based on this alone, I'd pay money to NOT see G.G. Allin.
GG Allins acoustic/country album (carnival of excess) is one of my favorite albums hands down, even though it is way way way different from the rest of his music.
It’s Brilliant and for those that say he had no musical talent and was just a sideshow, it shows they know absolutely nothing and like to believe things they hear
Great album
He wanted to abandon rock’n’roll and become a full time country artist.
Soft white underbelly did 2 interviews with Merle, his brother that was also a part of the band. Great stuff, very insightful.
I used to date the daughter of an old Jabbers drummer. She had a GG Allin tattoo. The practices were some of her first memories. She was a handful. She was murdered with fetty one month before she would have turned forty.
New Hampshire is real.
We're *all* fucked up here.
"Bite It, You Scum" is our "Blitzkrieg Bop".
I saw a kid in New York cover it, and handed him my blood rag, not because I'm a Blood; the rag had soaked in placenta blood, and had necromantic qualities, I enjoyed the young man's cover, the rag was for him. He's mental like me; I asked him if he hated alcohol because of his dad, and nailed it. I told him 25 without alcoholism is great, and to never start. I couldn't dodge that bullet.
My dad was born the same week as GG, but killed himself before GG died. I've actually outlived both at 37. This is because I get help with mental health. It's very important, especially if you grew up a little wonky.
I know people who got bedbugs from places that GG sang about.
My music is dirty too, but poppier lol
That was a wicked slick GG video, Finn!
Most of his music is really good the suicide sessions, is dark, and acoustic guitar are great, I like almost all eras of gg
Someone had to be GG.
I used to take the bus with GG from Manchester to Boston for Sunday shows at The Channel. He dressed semi-cross glam in those days and he could hold a conversation with a teenager (me).
Years later, my band got an offer to open for him in SF. For our well-being, we declined.
GG died soon after that.
p.s. I remember him getting in trouble for riding a ride-on mower down Main St in Manchester. Too weird for Manchester.
7:17 FYI that's the 1992 reissue album cover for his first album. The original album cover has him standing in a denim jacket with a full head of hair and looking remarkably "normal". Compare that to the reissue cover and it's crazy to see how far gone he'd eventually become.
I’m 43 and growing up around skaters and punk rockers of the 90’s I’d see and hear about G.G Allin all the time, but you’re right. I never heard anyone listening to him. I’d see people with shirts and posters saying “he’s real punk rock”. As an adult it makes laugh. He was a gross ass man IMO. I do feel sorry for his childhood.
You absolutely nailed it! Great video dude!
Not a lot of people actually listened to GG’s music but we all knew about him
I see a lot of parallels between GG and the Scandinavian black metal boys who went on that little arson/murder spree back in the day, in that they both actually 'lived the act' they played onstage, both to the severe detriment of themselves and the people around them. People are still as fascinated with that early BM scene the same way they are with GG. You can see this as well in the rap scene, especially the drill subgenre.
I think people do this because there is a suspension of disbelief present in listening to music the same as there is with other entertainment, and having your artist actually be about what they are singing about enhances the listening experience.
Related note; GG's cover of 'Carmelita' is genuinely good IMO.
As if GG's antics and his music weren't bad enough, what really turned me off to him were his fans. I went to a show once where an opening band covered a GG song, and once it started the dumbest, drunkest, most obnoxious people from the entire show rushed to the front to sing along. One dude that happened to be wearing a GG shirt slipped on the floor and may have damaged his remaining brain cell. Dudes looked like they woke up in the morning and huffed glue.
If someone idolizes GG, or even thinks of him as more than just an oddity, then I can know for sure that I don't need that person in my life. Same goes for people who idolize the Norwegian black metal "musicians" who are only known for killing people or causing destruction (There's no way anyone would be interested in their "music" otherwise).
Perhaps the people that rushed the stage for the openers were trying to have as much fun as possible in what little time they had. Because when GG and the Murder Junkies start, so does the pooping and the show is usually stopped shortly after that
My old band was part of a show that also featured a band (literally called R*pechild) that covered a GG song. Their singer was basically being an edgelord and actively trying to provoke us onstage, but thankfully he didn’t throw any shit haha. Thankfully their guitarist was a pretty cool dude and actually reached out to us apologizing for all of it. It was whatever, I’m not worried about it anymore, but it was a crazy experience
Bruh I just like my blastbeats and tremolo guitar. Swedish scene is better tho.
I was in a punk band back in college and we covered a GG song. My guitarist made the mistake of saying 'hey GG, burn in hell you old bastard' like the Ramones on the simpsons. A couple of crustpunks looked like they wanted to beat our asses
I remember hearing stories about him, the guy who put Iggy to shame on stage, but never got to experience it in person. Great video!
He was pretty much just doing an updated version of Iggy and people took it way too seriously including GG who took himself too seriously as the drugs took hold.
It always kinda rubbed me the wrong way when people would tell me that what I listened to was “poser shit” and not “real punk” and would point to GG Allin as some kind of shining example of “real punk”. Like, is this guy really the kind of person you would want to see more of in the music scene? I feel like if punk was really all about being as obscene and dangerous as possible, we would have already hit peak punk with GG, so where would punk even go from there? I don’t really know the answer to any of this, but I will say one thing: I’d gladly be a fake punk who listens to poser shit if the alternative is GG Allin.
The people who think GG Allin is "real punk" are prob posers themselves tbh lol The type of dumbasees who think punk is just about "fuck you" attitude with no ideals or politics or anything.
Wuss
You could appreciate both.
@@grandspringdale1564 low life
Harcore punk or cross over trash there are still punk bands out there who pic up the mantel but non of them go as of the hay wire like gg did and I don't think those bands will, sid vicious is a nother example of broken record dysfunctional person but in some eyes that's what maked punk great and dangerous.
Thanks for this, people need to stop putting this guy on a weird pedestal. I’ve never understood the infatuation unless from a psychological perspective. It’s just so much chaos and for what? ☹️
Toxic male attitude and nothing more
Because it was awesome? Also he made some damn good music.
Just a guy trying way too hard.
Because the world GG set out to destroy was the one thay destroyed him, he brought the chaos because it wad needed. GG did what most punk rockers couldnt do, be truly anti establishment and truly againt the world who was against him from the start. He did horrible things but so has everyone, he just showed the world that this is what they created. GG was a product of the society that tore him down, GG is punk rock and will always be punk rock and no one will be able to see that unless they’re truly punk rock too.
@@heyimchoy4795 Well put!
I think he was a very true representation of Anarchy. And not the "good" kind of anarchy lol. He really embraced that "being hated" persona full tilt and pushed boundaries for the sake of pushing boundaries.
I saw him twice. The man rode in my car. First met Merle in New York in 90 he was the nicest guy I met in New York.
Ps worked security for him when he played at the axiom in 91 or 92 in houston. I'll never forget it as long as I live.
That show at The Axiom was definitely one I regret missing. It wasn't too long after that he OD'd. I vaguely remember the underground Punk and Hardcore radio show dj mentioning GG (probably for the upcoming show) and saying something about how he definitely hates GG. I remember wondering if GG ever kicked him in the face or flung some of his poo at him before.
@@ChargerBullet yeah that was intense. If you're in Houston and you like GiGi Allen then you may want to check out my own band Texas City disasters might be your thing.
You said exactly what has been needed to be said for a long time when you stated that he was entertaining when you were a 14-year-old but now as an adult it's just sad. Too many people put him on a pedestal that he does not deserve to be on, he was an abuser and people overlook it simply because he was a shocking person to be around.
Im tough, I like to play rough games
It’s still a cool spectacle
That is the most unintelligent boring argument against GG I've ever heard. He was a performance artist and needs to be looked at as art not anything else. Obviously, you get some sense of offense from his performance. That's somewhere to start. What does GG Allin mean to you? You can dislike him but do it for reasons that are meaningful.
GG Allin post jabbers days makes the best bobblehead doll lol
@@joshuadaly1976 they like artists to be safe and boring lol I like johnny thunders and Dee Dee Ramone and gg and more and would never do drugs except for add medication I had to take
The club that I saw him at had been open over 10 years, at the show I saw, more damage was done that one night than all 10 years combined
He was insane, and he needed help from a young age.
He made a choice to become what he did. I knew him, wrote with him, and recorded with him. But once he started the Murder Junkies. (Not my idea of good music)
He was a KILLER drummer tho & a great guitarist.
GG was not a junkie either.
I knew him 1983 on & never saw him do drugs. He didn't even like weed. He was a drinker who did anything occasionally. He mixed booze & smack & died. RIP ya crazy rocker!
He had serious mental problems, he needed help, but instead of his friends getting him the help he needed they made a spectacle out of him, calling it entertainment, and while some cashed in, he cashed out, and that's a tragedy.
He went out easy. I like some of his music, but he deserved far worse.
Gotta love the CKY shout out . I agree his music with the Jabbers was his best work . I love some of his later day songs but his Jabbers work was where it was at .
I stopped working for a promoter who booked GG, profiting off of someone who is clearly having serious issues is just wrong.
One thing that didn't get mentioned, as to why Gigi was embraced by certain punks, is that punk basically was a scene for misfits. Most of the kids in the scene did not fit in with other peer groups and were seen as weird or whatever. So rather try to fit in, they just leaned into the weirdness. Sort of "Yeah? You don't like me? Well, fuck you too then!" Just like the Gigi song "You Hate Me and I Hate You". And back then, being weird meant you might get beat up too. So punk back in the day was inherently anti-social and violent. Gigi was extreme though. As a young teen I was constantly provoking people, being loud and obnoxious. It's not just seeking attention. It's getting looked down on and shunned most of your life, so you flip it around are basically raising a middle finger to the world.
As messed up as he was I can see how trauma victims/survivors could look to him as a model and it’s very possible he saved lives
This is a heavy one yet inspirational video. This is my favorite of your videos by far. More blessings Finn!
I’ve learned over the past few years the importance of knowing the reason for aberrant behavior. It’s incredibly informative and leaves your the wiser. As my Dad used to say, “ no one is useless, there are plenty of bad examples.”
GG is an extreme example of trauma making abusers….
Except he wasn't like that prior to taking lots of heroin.
@@GilbertSyndrome yeah man… dope really aggravates anything….
Saw him play in Berkley CA 1989. It was a great show, total chaos. Here's the deal, punk was always about trauma survivors, or people who've been through hell and back. That "well adjusted" middle class kids got into it later means nothing in terms of it's beginnings and what it means. I'm glad you all like it too, all these years later, but the fact remains punk was never about normal people, so no, GG fit in the punk landscape. So did MDC, Screwdriver, Dead Kennedys, Flipper, Fear, DOA, Subhumans, Bad Brains, Feederz, etc. etc. [obviously hardly anyone admitted to liking Screwdriver past the first record]. The scene was too small to exclude anyone really. In some ways it's better with all the subgenres, in most ways, much much worse.
I think GG is what Chuck Palahniuk was writing about, when he wrote about aspiring to reach rock bottom...
After watching this, I completely agree with you. I've never been a fan of GG and, to call back to the Brass Against incident, I think what he did was disturbing and just downright disgusting. Many people believe that what he did was very punk rock and they even called what Brass Against's frontwoman did punk rock too, when it was really just uncomfortable. Now I'm pretty sure no one will ever think about getting down to his level, but I will be concerned if someone does.
With all that being said, I have a better understanding of why he did that and people were drawn to it.
wuss
@@grandspringdale1564 that's just me, dude. I didn't like it. I understand that some people, like you obviously, don't have a problem with it, but it grossed me out. Please respect my feelings on it and I'll respect yours.
@@InkAndPoet yeah Li know man I was just messing around. But to be serious I'm the type of person that will actively seek out the most obscure thing I can find find and go in that direction. I just can't stand popular culture👎
@@grandspringdale1564 that's understandable. I'm more tolerant of pop culture, I guess.
He was probably the very first lolcow. Even if it didn't exist back then.
Finn, you should do a video about the Mentors. Have you ever watched the el duce tapes?
Whenever I drink I do it for El Duce
I second that.
Viva Rape rock!
hell yeah!
"he lowered the bar for everyone" inspirational, man
Our crew Black Rain also played that infamous last show @ the Gas Station. GG came running out the venue, looking for someone to fling his shit on. Two police cars converged on the intersection- and here he came, bare chested and shifty. Fans followed him up 3rd Street to Avenue A where he caught a cab , ending up doing death trip in building across the street from the Gas Station. Tpos used to carry the BR live tape of the show. Neither lunatic or whatever.
I really liked this one. As f***ed up and as sick as GG was, he is an interesting case study. You can really see beyond the crazy stage performances and into the environmental factors that I’m sure contributed to what seems obvious to me as Antisocial personality disorder. Sick guy, even sicker childhood. Well done and informative. Good job.
Thank you!
I typically don't want to listen to what you have to say, but you talking about GG Allin peaked my interest, and I have to say, I was pleasantly surprised with your analysis. I don't agree with everything you said, but who does? It was the most articulate discussion of him and his work I have ever heard. Instead of throwing around buzz words or brushing him off as a crazy or lunatic, you took the time to understand him, and that is to be commended. However, your scenester mindset is obnoxious. Not everything has to be about "the scene". But other than that one criticism, I thought this was a very well put together assessment of GG Allin.
I love how clear your perspective is. GG was simply depraved. But of course, with moments.