@23:01 About designing for FDM or resin: I've made a handful of minis, and there I design with a tiny little cube in the scene that is 0.2mm large. If a detail is bigger than that, it'll be easy to drybrush highlight, and it'll catch washes and contrast style paints very well. For FDM (I've designed a piece of terrain for some 40K minis to stand in), I used 0.5mm for a similar "cube of detail". Test printed that thing with a 0.4mm nozzle and nothing was lost, I even had a keyboard on the wall with all the keys still very much distinct.
I've printed many buildings at 28-32mm scale. Air brushing is great. A wet dry brush works for roof tiles. Also for plaster walls a big stippling brush.
Kingdom Death reminds me of the movie "The Cell" where everything in it is from the imagination of a Serial Killer. 'This is like a dragon, but all of his scales are baby dolls with no eyes, and he has a tail of a duck-billed platypus.'
Wing dings… One of my high school teachers, a Chinese computer teacher infamously had the best line ever. People kept using Wing Dings and handing in work, just because they knew it pushed him off. He got so mad one class that he shouted ver the whole class, “You use Wing Ding, I CHOP YOUR HEAD OFF!” It spread throughout the school and went down as legend people talked about years later.
Badger paints has a 3d primer. It's a 2 part the first is a translucent coat to fill in the lines and then the color primer. Comes in a wide variety by now. I bought it when it first came out and got an amazing deal I'll have primer (both parts) for years to come.
My Dark Legion of Khorn is steadly growing while lisening. Today i'm painting a banner thing made of spines of the innocent and trimmed in brass and adorned with crimson mark of Khorn 😂😂
First of all, ren-faires are amazing! Been going to our local one for over 20 years now. For stripping paint or primer, try Castrol Super Clean, or it's generic equivalent Purple Power. I have been using it to strip models for 15 years now. Just put some in a container and soak the parts for a day or so with a lid on it to keep it from evaporating.
My cousin passed away earlier this year, he got me into WoW almost 20 years ago and I'm currently painting a Night Elf Warrior in honor of him for his Birthday next week.. Was a nice surprise to hear you talk about your video at the same time ^^ lots of nice memories
Mani completely identify with Jon's hobby station woes; I'm an engineer and extremely hindered by a bad workspace layout, so even having just a fraction of the stuff to take care of, I am constantly trying to juggle how I organize everything!
As a scale modeler, I love hearing you guys talk about Mr surfacer 😂 also oven cleaner spray will take the lacquer paint off without killing your plastic.
I worked as an actor at the Bristol Ren Faire back in 2017. They told us the claim to fame was popularity but also historical accuracy. Obviously there are still inaccuarcies but compared to most we kept it by the books
That fire guy gets me every time. "Hey, toss me that lighter." "Well dude, you got a lot going on, how bout I just hand it to you?" "Hey, this guy knows his limits." 😮💨
I've had 3 FDM Printers, (Ender 3, Artillery X4, Elegoo Neptune) all three of them were decent out of the box (best was the Neptune). But after about 40 hrs of print time, each gave me nothing but issues. Could never get the beds to level, I would get inconsistent prints, failures, etc. and I am sure some of that was due to user error or inexperience, but I don't want to spend my limited free/hobby time troubleshooting a damned printer. I bought a Bambu P1S (with the enclosure) and let me tell you, after 100 print hours, I have had zero and I mean ZERO issues. This thing just works. It's as set and forget as my resin printers, but for FDM. The future is now old man. I know people have concerns about the software/app, etc from Bambu and I certainly think that's valid if it was going to be used for prototyping or R&D for an intellectual property. But for me I really don't give a shit if they collect the data on how many FDM terrain pieces I've printed this month. 6, the answer is 6. That one's for free.
KC renfest is the best interms of size and things to do. By far the best in the nation. There maybe bigger renfests but they don't even hold a candle to the KC renfest.
Hearing about the WOW model issues is fucking boiling my blood. I work in 3d animation AND paint minis, so it's super clear that yall were just talking about two totally different things but using the unfortunately extremely similar jargon to do it. I'm so glad you got that project out the door, but really wish I happened to be in the room to bridge that gap with two of my niche skillsets.
Isopropyl alcohol bath of the model should clear away the lacquer and leave the plastic unscathed. Scrub with a toothbrush after about 5 minutes (longer, depending on how long the paint has bonded to the plastic)
LA's totally awesome will take off any paint you put on ever. I use it with a heated sonic cleaner to refurbish even Ebay finds that are caked 1/8th inch thick in truck primer. It will take off anything. Also it's a dollar at your local dollar store. Its perfectly safe for use on any plastic, metal or finecast. It eats 3d printed resins though. If you have any other questions let me know.
Concerning the Xal'atath bust: First off: I love it! And WoW finally seems to have a worthy "big bad" again which is also great. I remember very clearly when Blizzard released the mobile game rumble, that they release 20+ minis to download and 3d print for free. And those where minis in a good quality and scale for that. The right hand of the company did not know what the left already did (even in the same IP) ^^ (Xal'atath was obviously not one of the minis for rumble)
Usually when I am stripping lacquer bases paint, the mini is made from metal, so acetone is an option. Not that acetone is that great at stripping lacquer paint, but it at least does something while any kind of alcohol or strong degreaser does next to nothing. What does work for both metal and plastic is Dettol (the regular brown kind that's used to clean out wounds). It's nicer for metal mini's, because it gets gummy on you. If you're patient you can clean the mini, but it's not ideal. Hopefully someone else has a better alternative; maybe also something that is more easily available in the US.
Next time you head out to the MN ren fest swing by my booth. We do handmade table top gaming supplies; booth #505 Illgot & Gaines. We spend most of the day talking dnd with everyone.
As a TH-cam content creator I would love to hear about how you got into content creating, how long it took you to get to where you felt successful and what you think made the biggest difference in your bad videos vs your good ones. I feel like I am doing okay but I would love to hear your thought about it. Also what would you suggest to someone starting out from hardware to content I'd love to know what you started with vs now.
I love my fdm printer but it only took a week before I went and bought a resin printer , fdm is great for terrain,I have printed 28mm figures on fdm printer and printed bigger stuff in pla and sanded the lines , prints made from petg can be smoothed when put on a grate in a container with acetone under the grating , think it smoothes in about 20mins ive not yet tried the method myself but know its a method others have used . Fdm printer is for things that astetics are not as important. I make my miniatures and things that needs a smooth finish on my resin printer
Trapped Under Plastic: The podcast where the models are plastic, the sign is plastic, the plants are plastic, the hosts have inhaled micro plastics and the only thing real are the tendies and conversations
Guys! i just went to the Renfaire in Massachusetts (Carver, MA). They're charging $20.00 USD for a turkey leg! Honestly.... I'm sneaking them into the fair next year for my family like I do with candy at the movie theater.....
I went to a ren-fair this weekend here in Denmark. Those clay birds were all. Over. The. Place. The sounds they make are fun. In the beginning. By the end my daughter asked what the punishment for punting a kid in the face was😅 she is 16, btw😂 She was joking, of course... mostly...
Wondering how you guys are feeling about the Artisan Guild models. I always have been a fan of their style, but for me personally it feels they’re going a bit overboard with those pesky details lately. Their earlier sculpts were less complicated and more fun to paint (for me).
I entered the 2001 Canadian Golden Demon with a piece that included a printed banner. I did not win? Coincidence? Conspiracy? Not really, it wasn't a great paintjob.
Scott will need to paint 3 Vargheist for his Spearhead and he's good to go Also ... i would cuss at Jon for the Jond0lf, but it's my own fault for painting while listening and having to laugh way to hard so thats on me. I have and will not learn my lesson though 🤣
I struggle with finding miniatures I want to paint sometimes. Many of my minis come from Etsy honestly and tend to take forever to get to me. I have a big set of miniatures that were made from Brandon Sanderson's books. I supported the kickstarter. Anyone get them as well? I'm always on the lookout for great minis.
Talk about low effort on Blizzard's part. I can't believe they sent you game-models, un-posed at that. At the very least they could have sent you the hi-res sculpts.
@23:01 About designing for FDM or resin:
I've made a handful of minis, and there I design with a tiny little cube in the scene that is 0.2mm large. If a detail is bigger than that, it'll be easy to drybrush highlight, and it'll catch washes and contrast style paints very well.
For FDM (I've designed a piece of terrain for some 40K minis to stand in), I used 0.5mm for a similar "cube of detail". Test printed that thing with a 0.4mm nozzle and nothing was lost, I even had a keyboard on the wall with all the keys still very much distinct.
I've printed many buildings at 28-32mm scale. Air brushing is great. A wet dry brush works for roof tiles. Also for plaster walls a big stippling brush.
Bristol Renaissance Faire is amazing. We try to go at least once each year.
Kingdom Death reminds me of the movie "The Cell" where everything in it is from the imagination of a Serial Killer. 'This is like a dragon, but all of his scales are baby dolls with no eyes, and he has a tail of a duck-billed platypus.'
I would love a ninjon 3d printed terrain painting vid... maybe featuring Johdalf the Yellow Snow
40:34 another reference from Jon that totally sailed right over Scott's head. 😂
Wing dings… One of my high school teachers, a Chinese computer teacher infamously had the best line ever. People kept using Wing Dings and handing in work, just because they knew it pushed him off. He got so mad one class that he shouted ver the whole class, “You use Wing Ding, I CHOP YOUR HEAD OFF!”
It spread throughout the school and went down as legend people talked about years later.
Hearing the story about how that WoW model came together is crazy. The video and the paint job both turned out awesome, Scott!
FDM is good for big terrain pieces.
use a can of spray automotive putty and primer and do multiple light coats and 90% of layer lines will be gone.
Badger paints has a 3d primer. It's a 2 part the first is a translucent coat to fill in the lines and then the color primer. Comes in a wide variety by now. I bought it when it first came out and got an amazing deal I'll have primer (both parts) for years to come.
@@jc7997ajoh neat! Going to definitely look into this. Thanks for the heads up!
1:37:26 100% agree, I paint 3 times a year but mentally organise/plan 100 times a year.
My Dark Legion of Khorn is steadly growing while lisening. Today i'm painting a banner thing made of spines of the innocent and trimmed in brass and adorned with crimson mark of Khorn 😂😂
First of all, ren-faires are amazing! Been going to our local one for over 20 years now.
For stripping paint or primer, try Castrol Super Clean, or it's generic equivalent Purple Power.
I have been using it to strip models for 15 years now.
Just put some in a container and soak the parts for a day or so with a lid on it to keep it from evaporating.
@32:20 I don't if it will work on lacquer primer, but the AK stripper works really well with bad priming. It is SUPER messy, but worth a shot.
My cousin passed away earlier this year, he got me into WoW almost 20 years ago and I'm currently painting a Night Elf Warrior in honor of him for his Birthday next week.. Was a nice surprise to hear you talk about your video at the same time ^^ lots of nice memories
RIP.
Mani completely identify with Jon's hobby station woes; I'm an engineer and extremely hindered by a bad workspace layout, so even having just a fraction of the stuff to take care of, I am constantly trying to juggle how I organize everything!
As a scale modeler, I love hearing you guys talk about Mr surfacer 😂 also oven cleaner spray will take the lacquer paint off without killing your plastic.
Wow scot giving back to the community in such a positive way
A short pre amble ramble is like eating one single kernel of popcorn, and I'm going to leave it at that 😅😅
I also went to the MN ren fest. It was definitely sad to see the elephants but I wish I could see it pee lmao for some reason that kills me
Aww poor elephant buddies. I have a hard time with zoos and stuff like that. Used to love them as a kid.
Way to rock the Ft. Wappel love Scott. And just got in a trip to Bristol Renaissance Faire over the weekend. Used to go a lot more.
I worked as an actor at the Bristol Ren Faire back in 2017. They told us the claim to fame was popularity but also historical accuracy. Obviously there are still inaccuarcies but compared to most we kept it by the books
Trapped under plastic, the podcast where jonhdolph has 2 kinds of fire ball.
Some of my best/most in-depth world building for my D&D game happens at work! When I sit down at home to actually write, I'm always drawing blanks.
Scott also needs 3 vargheists for his spearhead
Perhaps “Trapped Under Plastanus: The Moon Harpy Mammary Cannon Quintet”
Gentleman Broncos is one of my favorites!!! ❤
Just a comment to say that Jons spooky forest terrain video was one of my favourites
That fire guy gets me every time. "Hey, toss me that lighter."
"Well dude, you got a lot going on, how bout I just hand it to you?"
"Hey, this guy knows his limits."
😮💨
god daym new episode dropped!
I tried really hard to find a miniature of WoW Tier 1 Mage set. That was my favorite set in the game. I thought it would make a really cool mini.
I've had 3 FDM Printers, (Ender 3, Artillery X4, Elegoo Neptune) all three of them were decent out of the box (best was the Neptune). But after about 40 hrs of print time, each gave me nothing but issues. Could never get the beds to level, I would get inconsistent prints, failures, etc. and I am sure some of that was due to user error or inexperience, but I don't want to spend my limited free/hobby time troubleshooting a damned printer.
I bought a Bambu P1S (with the enclosure) and let me tell you, after 100 print hours, I have had zero and I mean ZERO issues. This thing just works. It's as set and forget as my resin printers, but for FDM. The future is now old man.
I know people have concerns about the software/app, etc from Bambu and I certainly think that's valid if it was going to be used for prototyping or R&D for an intellectual property. But for me I really don't give a shit if they collect the data on how many FDM terrain pieces I've printed this month. 6, the answer is 6. That one's for free.
Yes! I have Hexengard ruined buildings as well, they are so nice!
Jon, you've gotta get yourself several of those drawer organizers from some place like IKEA that helps with organizing drawers of junk.
Trapped Under Plastic: The podcast where lore is optional and the softcore is implied
32:10 The levelling thinner should strip it
Stripping with lacquer thinner will damage the plastic. They need to strip with isopropyl alcohol.
Can confirm. I've been hiding in his closet for months and he does look insane at his desk.
Hope the fdm tricks work, really seems like the better choice for terrain if the lines can get dealt with.
I’m here for the preamble ramble…and the main topic. It’s all good.
Love to hear that you're painting some Legion
@39:30 gotta be a PPV event 😂
KC renfest is the best interms of size and things to do. By far the best in the nation. There maybe bigger renfests but they don't even hold a candle to the KC renfest.
Hearing about the WOW model issues is fucking boiling my blood. I work in 3d animation AND paint minis, so it's super clear that yall were just talking about two totally different things but using the unfortunately extremely similar jargon to do it. I'm so glad you got that project out the door, but really wish I happened to be in the room to bridge that gap with two of my niche skillsets.
My sleep mode turned on... contrast is mint.
Isopropyl alcohol bath of the model should clear away the lacquer and leave the plastic unscathed. Scrub with a toothbrush after about 5 minutes (longer, depending on how long the paint has bonded to the plastic)
LA's totally awesome will take off any paint you put on ever. I use it with a heated sonic cleaner to refurbish even Ebay finds that are caked 1/8th inch thick in truck primer. It will take off anything. Also it's a dollar at your local dollar store. Its perfectly safe for use on any plastic, metal or finecast. It eats 3d printed resins though.
If you have any other questions let me know.
You've probably already checked, but the Soulblight Gravelords Spearhead has the Vargheists as well.
Concerning the Xal'atath bust:
First off: I love it! And WoW finally seems to have a worthy "big bad" again which is also great. I remember very clearly when Blizzard released the mobile game rumble, that they release 20+ minis to download and 3d print for free. And those where minis in a good quality and scale for that. The right hand of the company did not know what the left already did (even in the same IP) ^^
(Xal'atath was obviously not one of the minis for rumble)
Trapped Under Planus... Nice.😂
Usually when I am stripping lacquer bases paint, the mini is made from metal, so acetone is an option. Not that acetone is that great at stripping lacquer paint, but it at least does something while any kind of alcohol or strong degreaser does next to nothing. What does work for both metal and plastic is Dettol (the regular brown kind that's used to clean out wounds). It's nicer for metal mini's, because it gets gummy on you. If you're patient you can clean the mini, but it's not ideal. Hopefully someone else has a better alternative; maybe also something that is more easily available in the US.
Fbx files are what is used for video games. You can convert stuff to stl, but I had to use Maya and a plug in to get it to work. 😅
Next time you head out to the MN ren fest swing by my booth. We do handmade table top gaming supplies; booth #505 Illgot & Gaines. We spend most of the day talking dnd with everyone.
1:09:08 sculptors need to paint their own models.
I use a cosmetic wedge and craft paints for most of my FDM prints. Looks great. I'll put some on instagram.
I would be more than happy to share some 3d printing knowledge! Got me to go back to college, just graduated this year! 😅
As a TH-cam content creator I would love to hear about how you got into content creating, how long it took you to get to where you felt successful and what you think made the biggest difference in your bad videos vs your good ones. I feel like I am doing okay but I would love to hear your thought about it. Also what would you suggest to someone starting out from hardware to content I'd love to know what you started with vs now.
Star Wars Legion is a great game! It just got a rules update so now is the perfect time to jump into playing!
I love my fdm printer but it only took a week before I went and bought a resin printer , fdm is great for terrain,I have printed 28mm figures on fdm printer and printed bigger stuff in pla and sanded the lines , prints made from petg can be smoothed when put on a grate in a container with acetone under the grating , think it smoothes in about 20mins ive not yet tried the method myself but know its a method others have used . Fdm printer is for things that astetics are not as important. I make my miniatures and things that needs a smooth finish on my resin printer
Trapped Under Plastic: The podcast where the models are plastic, the sign is plastic, the plants are plastic, the hosts have inhaled micro plastics and the only thing real are the tendies and conversations
1:29:52 That’s what she said!
Awesome.
Guys! i just went to the Renfaire in Massachusetts (Carver, MA). They're charging $20.00 USD for a turkey leg! Honestly.... I'm sneaking them into the fair next year for my family like I do with candy at the movie theater.....
Jondalf the yellow snow... is this how ice yellow got it's name from?
I went to a ren-fair this weekend here in Denmark. Those clay birds were all. Over. The. Place. The sounds they make are fun.
In the beginning.
By the end my daughter asked what the punishment for punting a kid in the face was😅 she is 16, btw😂
She was joking, of course... mostly...
Scott I'm sure someone else already posted but you need 3 vargheist for the spearhead soulblight.
Jondalf, the Pink ❤
27:06 ....I know now Scott
Wondering how you guys are feeling about the Artisan Guild models. I always have been a fan of their style, but for me personally it feels they’re going a bit overboard with those pesky details lately. Their earlier sculpts were less complicated and more fun to paint (for me).
I entered the 2001 Canadian Golden Demon with a piece that included a printed banner. I did not win? Coincidence? Conspiracy?
Not really, it wasn't a great paintjob.
Scott will need to paint 3 Vargheist for his Spearhead and he's good to go
Also ... i would cuss at Jon for the Jond0lf, but it's my own fault for painting while listening and having to laugh way to hard so thats on me. I have and will not learn my lesson though 🤣
I struggle with finding miniatures I want to paint sometimes. Many of my minis come from Etsy honestly and tend to take forever to get to me. I have a big set of miniatures that were made from Brandon Sanderson's books. I supported the kickstarter. Anyone get them as well? I'm always on the lookout for great minis.
Is Jon wearing shoes from the bowling alley???
I won't be content until the preamble ramble is an hour long
Talk about low effort on Blizzard's part. I can't believe they sent you game-models, un-posed at that. At the very least they could have sent you the hi-res sculpts.
You used my intro! The takes are hot, the tendies are not! We now duel at Gamezcenter or The Source (or Tower). Your choice of game.
Also, I'm a polymer scientist... let's chat about the paint texture issue. I don't know if I can fix it but we can try.
Scott, those Krylon fusion primers suck
Ak paint stripper or Ethanol will get lacquer off.
Jondalf the Beige
They hint that Gandalf is a pothead... perhaps Jandolf could be "Jandolf The Green"? :-)
1:49:55 that sort of time wasting is not a waste of time if you make a video out of it, everyone is doing the same thing.
Trapped Under Plastic, where the glue is hot and the moderators are bot (bottoms, haha funne)
Legion is such a good game. The new changes made to the game are fantastic.