I Bought A Super Rare 2016 Cadillac ELR! Which Voltec Daily Driver Is Better: Chevy Volt Or ELR?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ต.ค. 2024
- Yes I know, I am crazy. Now that we have that out of the way, let's have some fun for once... Let's go on a journey learning about the value proposition for these plug in Hybrids. Let's learn about the Voltec system that GM invented and then threw away. In the end, I don't need both these rides, so I will be taking my time evaluating both these new rides of mine to decide over the next month which of these cars I will keep as my daily driver. Why not come along for this ride and help me decide!
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I had a Volt from 13-17 and my jaw would always drop any time a Model S or an ELR drove by.
You are keeping the ELR.
Lol....cost analysis? Dave, you never have anything long enough to even analyze cost per mile. We love watching your latest impulse buys. It's fun!! Enjoy the Cadi Sir.
Always loved the Volt and ELR. Cool to see them getting more attention.
Check on Open Pilot self driving, it may work on your ELR because it has adaptive cruise control. It works on the second generation Volt with adaptive cruise control.
Open Pilot/Comma was ranked best self driving by Consumer Reports at one time.
Elr could be a collectors car one day, because it's so rare.
ELR, a collectors??? LOL They couldn't give them away to the $200K a year crowd when they made them. You're lucky to get 30 miles on the battery and the engine/generator is very loud when it kicks off to charge the battery. Rarity does not equal collector status.
We've had a 2016 ELR for about 6 years now (bought it used 2 years old), and it's been an excellent car. It's primarily my wife's, but I drive it often as well. We had to have the battery refurbished (under warranty) last year, and it's now running like new again. Honestly, at this point we'll probably keep it another 5-10 years as there's just nothing else that my wife likes as much.
I just bought this same car myself today! Same color, same year. Mine has 62K miles and was $12,500. Can't wait to bring mine to the channel!
I upgraded from a 2014 Volt to a 2016 ELR (both new). As long as you don’t need the back seat, it’s a great car! I don’t think it’ll ever be collectible, but it’s sure rare, and I get lots of curious looks! Lots of firsts with the ELR that have now become more commonplace, and it’s amazing what the designers were able to do with the Voltec platform. I think it was just too far ahead of its time. It’s sad that they didn’t make a second generation, though. Looking forward to your upcoming videos!
Out of Spec Dave jumps the shark. That car looks like a future money pit. I would think a Hertz Tesla rental sales would be a better 3rd car. Kathy is smart, she has her Y and a contract haha
range extended electric vehicles are the best. daily drive a 2015 volt and love it. wish the powertrain would have caught on more. excited for rams ramcharger that is coming out soon. hopefully yall check that out.
I remember when Cadillac first showed the Converj at the Detroit Auto Show and thought that it looked so cool. I recently found one that’s currently for sale in Indiana, formerly owned by a GM employee with about 77,000 miles. Problem was that they were asking $19,999! I hope you enjoy your Cadillac!
Theyre selling a red ELR in Minnesota for 16k at 45k miles
It's not fair when YT makes me spend money!! 😂😂
Lord, the man had rims on his escalade!! Winning!
Have a 2014 and love it and love the styling of it. Its range gets me every where I need to go on a charge during a day -- in 9 years we've bought nine tank fills of gas. Had to change out a Cue screen but did that ourselves (a lesson in gymnastics getting it in and out but done) and otherwise not one single problem with it.
Current MYLR owner and Rockland County resident. Looking forward to seeing your comparison between the Volt and the ELR. I hope you stopped at Rockland Bakery before you left the county.
Love their bagels and rainbow cookies! Rockland bakery ROCKS
Do a Katzskin episode for the hole in the front seat. All you need to do are the one or maybe both front seats. I know they have a location in New Rochelle NY near the Costco. I think it is a great idea to do a comparison between the Volt and the ELR. The Volt Powertrain was another missed opportunity by GM. Happy Birthday and stay safe traveling and especially skiing!
Love our 2012 Volt. No complaints whatsoever. Only American car I’ve owned in 20+ years.
Anyone else from Vancouver here? Would be great to see Dave and do a drive of the Sea To Sky Highway or something similar if weather permits.
Everytime i tune in you have a new car. Love it. Keep them coming. Happy Early Birthday.
The regen paddle is standard on the Gen 2 Volts but the Gen 1 Volts did not have it. Cadillac must have played around with that on the ELR and then included it on the Gen 2 Volts. It is either on or off, it is not variable and will slow the car down as well as throw juice back into the battery (brake lights should come one when using it). I use it once in a while on my Gen 2 Volt but over the years have found that the brake pedal is best for me because it acts as a variable regen. so that you can modulate the power going into the battery. You can actually use it in conjunction with the brake pedal AND low on the gear shift to maximize regenerative braking.
My 2018 CT6 2.0E plug-in with Voltec has three levels of regen via the paddles.
I have to admit, I didn't even realize Cadillac put Voltec drivetrains on the CT lineup. Thanks for the information.@@normt430
There is a book by GM about the creation of the Volt. With lots of good stuff from Bob Lutz. My Gen1 Volt had over 100k miles with no loss in range. Best car I’ve ever owned. I got rid of it for a Model 3 and had nothing but problems. If I was in a position I’d love an ELR as a collector car. It has a special place in automotive history. With GM announcing they may go back to offering a hybrid-type vehicle I really hope the go the way of the EREV/series hybrid again.
Does anyone remember the ridiculous ad that Cadillac made for the ELR? It's always good for a laugh.
The volt is going to be cheaper, hands down. But if I was not going to buy a full electric and going to buy a hybrid. I'm going ELR every day of the week.
Totally agree, Tappan Zer bridge. That was the name I grew up with, and it will always be the Tappan Zee Bridge.
You need to watch the three-part youtube series that Pamela Fletcher, Chief Engineer of the Voltec program, gave on the powertrain back in the day. The 2014 ELR was basically the same, and the 2016 had some additional enhancements. The Gen 2 Volt is quite different, and better in many ways. So now you need to find a Gen 2 Volt to compare to the others...
Love it. I will take that volt off your hand if you decide to sell it.
Caddy's have always had a sterotype, but are great cars.....so smooth and comfy....
A choice?? Hmmm, coach or first class? Cadi all day long. Great video. Grew up in Westchester. Keep up the good work.
Okay Dave, what is going on? Gone from a Lucid to a $5k Volt. Has Kathy finally put her foot down?
I owed a 2014 and LOVED it. I wanted the 16 badly but with only 500 or so made, it wasn't avail when I was looking. I heard the power in the 16 is much better.
Sooo jealous! You bought my dream car, at least for looks. Picking up my new-to-me ‘19 Volt tomorrow. Can’t wait to save $$ on my commute. Please keep the ELR, for me! Lol
Someone may have said this already but i think the escalade hybrid was their first. But you have my dream car! I hope i can find another one exactly the same when i get back to the states in a few months.
I have always loved the ELR since the first day I saw it! For me it's one of the best designed cars period!
I think I have you beat Dave. I too have that special white tri-coat paint. But it’s a 2016 SPORT ELR. Suspension a little tighter, the steering wheel a little thicker and smaller. It is wider and longer than the Volt. Here are a couple of useful tips. The second you get on the freeway put it on battery hold. That should save you enough energy to run just on battery when you’re on city streets. If you are on a long drive, and will run out of battery anyway, even though you’re on the freeway, put it on mountain mode, way before you intend to pull off the freeway, and what it will do is start saving extra energy in the battery, up to 14 miles, so that when you do get off the freeway, you will have at least 14 miles that you can drive in electric mode without hearing the motor turn on. One last horrible thing, my Cuescreen had to be replaced, and from what I’ve heard, every Cuescreen has to be replaced because the material used was defective. I had to buy an aftermarket Cuescreen and the dealer did not want to install it because it was an aftermarket Cuescreen. So I had to do half of it myself and the other half was at a car stereo installation place. But I would not wish that on anyone. If you replace it with the Cuescreen for that car, I am told it will go bad just like the first one, so be warned.
About three years ago, I learned about the ELR and found myself wanting one of these. I also was looking for one with adaptive cruise control. However, at the time, I found them overpriced, so I went in a different direction.
Honestly Dave "Weber Auto" did a 2+ hour teardown video of the Vortec drive. worth a watch.
Interesting that the ELR will start the engine in sport. My gen 2 Volt turns the engine off when I pop it in sport. The regen paddle is nice. Remember that in Voltec cars the "L" gear isn't really a low gear, it's a regen setting. there is no "low gear" in the drive unit to shift to. I drive my Volt in "L" all the time for nearly (emphasis on nearly) one pedal driving even if the generator is running.
looking forward to this series.
They both are very nice. The ELR is the most beautiful of the two but I would keep the Volt if you regularly carry rear seat passengers.
Hey Dave, congratulations on the new ride. I LOVE IT! I’m really looking forward to your next videos comparing the two vehicles and testing the ELR.
Wishing you a Happy Birthday and stay safe skiing in Canada. 🎉
I went to Cadillac school in fla when they were putting the car to market vs to Tesla. ELR is a lot of car for the money. I’m personally searching one out myself. Off the top of my head, white is the rarest one was actually a “sacks fifth ave” edition. Was the only way you could get the white.
They all came fully loaded.. to my knowledge they all had adaptive cruise.. in 16 they performance pkg was an option.. it’s been a while so I may be in correctly speaking off the top of my head.
We had a hard time selling them due to price, however ppl that bought them loved them.
I WAS ACTUALLY PREPARING TO BUY THIS CAR! I was wondering why it was so cheap myself. I thought there was some unstated damage that the dealership wasn’t trying to fix. DAVE, if you ever want to sell it please, PLEASE let me know first. I will give you my information if you’re interest. Thank you for such detailed videos BTW.
Not crazy at all, Dave. VERY glad to see you in a vehicle like this.
I’ve never seen the Interior features of the ELR. There is truly no comparison to the Volt. They went All out designing the ELR. Dave, the biggest benefit is that it’s 2 door . The additional length of the doors makes it so much easier to enter/exit.
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I want to see Dave and Kyle argue on this . I wonder if it's also flex fuel ?
This question reminds me of an opinion piece that Tom Friedman wrote years ago (circa 2005) about a "500 mpg car." I saw the headline and my reaction was "oh boy, yet another 'miracle' 100 mpg carburetor, or pills to add to water that turn it into gasoline, hocus-pocus BS." However I read it anyway. Tom suggested a plug-in hybrid that ran on E85 (only 15% gasoline). He ran the numbers and they made sense. Instead of an efficiency "miracle" to somehow get more work out of a gallon of gas than what is possible, gasoline was supplemented by 85% ethanol and both by electricity for short trips. It made complete sense! Shortly after that the US DOE (dept of energy) was promoting "40-mile PHEVs," and GM showed a concept Chevrolet Volt with 40 mile range and E85 flex fuel capability.
The concept Chevrolet Volt was E85 flex-fuel compatible. However none of the production Volts or ELRs had flex-fuel capability, IIRC. Early Volt owners were disappointed by this, including myself, but after owning for a few months we realized that we were using so little fuel that it did not matter. Owners were posting on the GM-Volt forum about how many months they drove on the original dealer-supplied tank of gas. I would drive all year, using only 3/4 of the small 9.2 gallon tank.
@@georgepelton5645so why buy a Volt when clearly you didn’t need or use the gas engine. What a waste. Pure EV is better for that use case
@@smartelectriccar I couldn't buy a pure EV with 35 mile range. The only long range EV in 2011 was the Tesla Roadster. Way too expansive and only two seats. Even the 2012 Model S was too expensive for me to consider, and I already had my volt. Also, there was no supercharger network, or other DC fast charge networks. I used the gas engine to make a 600 mile road trip every year. It also got me home when I was a few miles short after in town driving, that made 35 EV miles practical to use for all of my daily and road trip driving.
Today I have 3 EVs and no PHEV or ICE. That was then, this is now.
Wow, Gorgeous. Waiting on an Aptera, but now I'm contending with a new crush: that smartly dressed e-caddy!
I want to be OOS Dave when I grow up. So much wheeling and dealing!
These look so nice, I remember just watching your test drive video, so cool that you got one!
The few Cadillacs I owned that had the CUE audio/Nav/UI sucked, good luck. BTW we owned 3 Volts since March 2012 (2012, 2013, and 2017) and ended up in a Tesla back in 2020 since GM walked away from the Voltech platform. Looking forward to your future reports.
Hi! Thank you for doing such a deep dive on the ELR. Cadillac really missed out not turning the ELR into an EV or just improving the range with future years. Cadillac has yet to produce a car better looking than CTS coupe and ELR.
Hey Dave Honda clarity is the same 3 mode PHEV
When I saw your ELR driving review, I knew you'd be buying it. No doubt. 😄
Happy Birthday Dave. Welcome to Canada. Nice Ride. I would think 2 cars would be enough, but what do I know. Enjoy the ride.
No question, keep the ELR. I almost would have bought one in 2014, but because it is Front Drive, I had to pass. I have a strict rule against Front Drive. My 2014 Cadillac CTS is just fantastic. I wish I could have gotten an ELR : (
I think you got a fantastic deal on it, I highly doubt you will see another one of those for such a low price. Between this and a Gen 1 Volt, ELR seems like the way to go even if you did spend a lot more.
I did not even know this existed. Just like Cadillac Escalade Hybrid.
There is a '14 with 70k for $18k and a '16 with 60k for $20k around here. The '14 is a half hour away, the other is 2 hours, hope to look at the '14 Friday. If I can get it for $15k I will be excited.
It appears the ELR came with P245/40R20 Bridgestone Potenza RE97AS tires. They just happen to be the same size as a Polestar 2, Lucid Air, and some Tesla Model S vehicles, so there's decent EV tire selection for these, at least.
Teslas didn’t run 245/40 20’s on any models. The S’s only got 19’s and 21’s sizes, the 20’s on the X’s got 255/45’s on the front and rears were 265 or 275’s depending on the specific equipment, and the optional 20’s on the Y are 255/40’s and the Performance 3’s are 235/35 20’s, close but not the same. I’m only knowledgeable with Teslas and can’t speak about those other cars
@@RoyalCraneTesla Model S Plaid had 20 inch wheels with wider tires
Tesla Model X had 245/40 R20 on the OEM 20x9
@@mariano3113 you should recheck your information because the smallest width on X’s was 265/45’s with a handful of 255’s and the S’s are 19’s or 21’s from the oem not 20’s. The X did not get a 40 profile on 20’s because it would be a very low sidewall especially if it was only 40 percent of a 245mm
@@RoyalCrane Was going off listing copy and pasted below
" A set of 20" Tesla Model X rims that are a perfect fit on the S models up to 2020
recommended tire size would be 245/40/20
Factory OEM original set
Brand new semi gloss black finish
20x9 square"
@@mariano3113 Whoever made that listing sounds like they are offering Model X size wheels and saying you could put that size tire to make it work on an S. That isn’t the OEM size for an S, however it would work in that the sidewall of a 245/40R20 on a 20” wheel would be equivalent to the factory 245/45R19 spec tire wheel combo but that 20” wasn’t a factory S option from Tesla. Some people did installed OEM 20” model X Slipstream wheels on Model S’s with that non OEM size tire but the comments in this thread are about what Tesla installed not what a few random people added afterwards
ELR looks very nice, enjoy!
I've been looking at a 014 ELR, beautiful car . Been waiting for your review and not step. I guess you have been skiing close to me. Waiting to see your take on these cars 014 - 016.
Hope you had a great ski vacation.
Always liked the look of the ELR. Wish they had made a version based on the 2nd Gen Volt for more range etc
😂😂 Kyle talked you into it
Beautiful car! Love Cadillac styling. Happy Birthday Dave!
COM-MON DAVE!! YOU FELL IN LOVE WITH THIS CAR WHEN YOU DROVE THE GRAY ONE!! ITS NOT JUST THE EXCLUSIVE-NESS VERSUS THE V-O-L-T, BUT I GOTTA TELL YA THIS 1ST; MY OLDER BROTHER WAS ONE OF THE EARLY GUYS TO LEASE A GEN ONE VOLT. BACK THEN, GAS WAS HIGHER THAN NOW, AND HE LOVED NOT HAVING TO BUY GAS FOR MONTHS!! THE TROUBLE WAS, THAT HE HAD TO PLUG IN THE BATTERY CHARGER EVERY FREAK'IN NIGHT TO GET THE FULL 30+ MILE RANGE, AND EVENTUALLY HE GOT SO SICK OF PLUGGING IT IN AND OUT, THAT HE TURNED IT BACK TO THE DEALER TWO MONTHS BEFORE THE LEASE WAS UP!! BUT TO ME, THE #1 REASON TO PICK THE ELR OVER THE VOLT; MY BROTHER OFFERED ME A RIDE WITH ME DRIVING; AND I'M A PRETTY BIG GUY : 6' 3", WIDE, AND SIZE 16 SHOES, AND THE DOOR ON THE VOLT WAS SO SMALL, I COULDN'T GET MY LEFT LEG INSIDE!! ( no head room either!! ) I KNOW YOU'RE NOT ANYWHERE AS BIG AS ME, BUT THE CADDIE HAVING THOSE TWO BIG DOORS HAVE GOT TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOU TOO!! GOOD LUCK WITH IT!! CHAS ORVIS, PLAINVILLE, CT. PS : HI TO CATHY AND BAILEY TOO!!
Congrats on getting ELR and yes, sell the Volt. We are interested in your ELR videos, but I could never own one these and make trips to the gas station. It takes too long at a gas station and stinks. Charging an EV at home is only 1 minute. And why send money to OPEC who hate us.
All the leather, in Florida? No way. Keep the Volt. I will buy the Caddy for Midwest less sun weather.
YES!!! Was waiting for this one. Thank you for the review.
It is nice to see these hidden GM gems!
Yes, I am interested in more videos about this vehicle.
Hello dave i love your videos i bougt me a 2014 ELR 6 months ago and love the car but now wanting a 2016 same color as yours kona brown and pearl white
Best looking Cadillac ever made.
Nice! Can really feel your excitement too
When you keep the ELR and need to part ways with the Volt, I would be interested for my 16yo twins first daily driver. Had to shoot my shot.
Sweet deal, sweet car. Looking for one myself
You should get a jaguar I pace love mine ❤
We have a big brother of the ELR a 2018 CT6 2.0E plug-in at 60k has been a great car since purchased new during covid. We are watching used i-pace prices as they are getting close to qualifying for used EV tax credit.
Happy early birthday!
I'm a subscriber to Kyle's channel, I have not seen any content about the Model X since you shipped it, I think you should get it back.
When one cell in the battery goes below voltage, it will be a gorgeous paper weight 😂
Bought my premium 14 volt (Pearl and leather) in 2020 for $7700, @ 119k. Swear by it not at it. Looks, feels & sounds "Caddy". Great town car. Lacks hassle of Caddy parts, insurance, tire price.
The ELR is gorgeous , pity Caddy could not figure it out from a sales perspective.
have fun skiing in whistler
Which daily driver is better? Depends on what you need from a car. The Volt has more EV range and more passenger and cargo space, so it is better for most people. It also cost less, so depending on your budget that is better for most people. However if you drive short distances with only one or two people, then the ELR is better. It certainly is the more attractive looking car, with an extremely nice interior, and has lots of nice luxury features. The ELR also has a completely different and much better rear suspension. Also computer controlled damping with "Magnaride" magnetorheological shock absorbers, IIRC.
Certainly the ELR is a better collectible car. Produced in small numbers, luxury interior, first plug-in Cadillac, it checks all of the boxes. However, like all modern cars it will be difficult to keep running in the decades to come. Like car radios, computer modules will go bad after 20-40 years, and replacements will be hard to get, and likely impossible. Old car radios can be repaired, but modern circuit boards make repair much more challenging. The Volt and ELR will also need some sort of aftermarket battery replacement as well, since IMO it doesn't look like GM will ever restart production to make new replacement batteries.
I vote Volt in a tux. It looks way better.
How in the world did you find a 2016 for $14000?! That’s awesome.
George Goebel: "Did you ever get the feeling that the world was a tuxedo and you were a pair of brown shoes?" Those seats
Every out of spec Dave episode is the ride home thinking of justifications why the purchase was a great deal. 😂
The Caddy will be a great and classy ride in Florida. Beats paying for rentals.
Nice. I want the Cadillac version of the Corvette
Four days from now: Dave video - I bought a Yugo.
Hey did you know if you park your car and have no batter juice left you can park it and put it in mountain mode and see your battery 🔋 get half way charge your welcome 😉
I had a gen 1 volt and it was a great car: only 2 complaints which were big. 1:the generator randomly kick on with no rhyme or reason unlike my fusion hybrid it’s set up perfectly. 2: such small room for my teens. Couldnt get out with backpacks full. I loved the hold mode and wish all hybrids had that.
Either your battery was getting old, and the car was turning on the engine to keep it charged, or it was cold weather related. Guessing you had an '11 or '12 maybe? My '15 has never done this behavior unless it"s less than 15F.
I knew this was going to happen after the last video lol.
I would keep the ELR! Looks sharp.
Dave thanks for this video😊
The ELR is all you Dave
That's a sexy car, They should've built an all electric EV back in 2014 with a $45k-$50K MSRP I might buy one and park it next to my vintage Porsche 928😂
Love my 2014, commute to work was 35 miles, charged at work and then drive home. They reprogrammed the computer and now there is no rhyme or reason for when the engine runs now versus before the update so that is a little frustrating. Also stopped to buy a lamp one day and the box wouldn’t fit in the trunk…tiny opening. Keep an eye on the battery coolant tank level.
Keep the ELR! It's very cool.
Now you just need a 2016-2019 Malibu Hybrid with the smaller battery Voltec drivetrain.
Happy birthday for Thursday!!!
I really liked the design of the ELR. But it had Cadillac pricing. If only Chevrolet would use high end design for normal cars.