A actually had this exact thought the other day. And I personaly think having the option to vote negativy would very much improve the toxicity and even gameplay. People would be scared they get negative rating by the other players so they wouldn't start arguments and just shut up, or actually use their dispells or kicks etc. Also yes, we have Rio score but it is basically a measurement of experience, not skill or attitude. I've met so mamy people with high rio and high dungeons completed and they were absolute trash at either dps, utility usage, survivability, or just a toxic fucks.
People buy keys for IO and do delves and craft for gear so that is what it is. The negative voting though - pretty scared it can be easily abused in some situations.
We already have a nearly objective system of raider IO score, I’m doubtful adding a completely subjective system of random people’s opinions would do anything to further improve anything. I think people have this idea that if they do a really good job people will use it to compliment them, but in reality it would probably end up more like Amazon reviews where if you live up to expectations people would largely ignore the system altogether, and only use it when they have a complaint.
You might be right but at the same time it wouldn't hurt to experiment with something like that. Yes, you'd probably ignore it a lot but I've also had people saying "pog heals" at the end of the run. I had people praise the tank if they were exceptional. So if it ends up being used only in these outlined situations, it would also carry a lot more weight. Who knows though, may be absolutely noone would use it
I don't even know if the Mythic plus scoring system is enough at this point the amount of really really really really really bad players I see in the 27th to 2800 range is pretty staggering not that I would ever report them but it's not really an indication of how good somebody is as people can have friends take them to nearly 3K while not knowing anything about how to play.
@ Yeah, I notice that too. Whether it's delves or people just buying keys, it's astounding how many ignorant players there are at high IO score and high ilvl gear. From that perspective IO score is often not enough to judge and may be performance system would help but who knows
So make it more toxic.... So let me tell you why you have people that actually don't seem to care or want to do much... Maybe the person love to do Mythic raiding and just despise M+ content, but there's no other way to cap out your gilded each week... Now if it's actually pushers, I can't comment... Let us cap our gilded in delves instead of capping it, don't force people in to doing something they hate more than anything just so they can play the content they actually do enjoy... Give more different avenues for people to gather the things that they NEED to continue playing the content that they enjoy to play, don't gatekeep and tell people. "Well you have to do this to do that." it's not helpful, you are now talking about wanting to have a way to make people hate the already toxic system even more, but they are still forced in to having to do it, so now... Instead of just turning their brains off each week and forcing them selves to just get the 90 gilded out of the way and the mythic vaults slots, they would probably just quit all together cause now they are going to be forced to think and take something they can't stand seriously... The fact is, M+ is the only way to cap anything at the moment, which forces people that can't stand the content but LOVE mythic raiding, to do it... So that's the people you will see in +8 and +10, Very veeeeery few of the overall keys done are past +10, majority of all keys are in the +2 +10 and most of it is cause they just don't like the system, cause if they did, they wouldn't stop at +10, they would go beyond that, cause the system is meant to push yourself, but the fact is. People do not want to and I quit wow because it was the ONLY way to keep up with the rest of my mythic raid team on gear and I started to feel like I was holding the team back because I refused to touch M+ I forced my self to do it now and again, but it burns me out and makes me hate and dread the time I spend in wow, so I quit... I don't have fun only doing heroic raiding, your character's progression is never done till you have the best gear that you can get to me and CE... That's what's fun, not sitting with the gear that's juuust not good enough to be great, not having AotC, it just feels like I got up to the last few steps of the stairs and just, stopped there, lingering, nothing really accomplished.. And M+ has no accomplishment to me, I'm not competitive, I don't care about scores or medals, it has literally no meaning to me AT ALL, only raiding has meaning to me and is fun to me... And I loved Delves, I could take my time and just have fun, not feel like I was just shoved and forced in to Dark souls which I already don't like, and then told that I have to react to every single hit coming at me but also speed run the game and not just take my time to experience the lore and story, that's M+ to me and I want no part in it... They capped Delves to 18 gilded now.. I mean great, at least they drop, but it's just not enough, I'd still have to do M+ to hit the 90 gilded earlier on in the season and I just do not want any part in that.... Just let people play the game how they want to play, if you give people more ways to do what they enjoy, the rest of you also won't have people like me who hate even being in your damn M+ group, you can't force people to do it, or force them to take it 100% serious like you do... You like and love the content, of course you are excited to give it your all, but there's many out there who just can't... It's like having to take out the dishes, doing the laundry, doing your taxes, taking out the trash... That's not how a game should feel, not for you, not for me, not for anyone... And this voting system is just going to make people hate it even more and then the game will lose more subs, until the numbers can't keep the game running anymore and it becomes a full free to play model where you have to pay to be able to equip purple gear and stuff and over time it becomes another TERA and forgotten in the past.
It's interesting what percentage of the players is actually "forced" to play M+. Blizzard did say that they are focused on the quality and not the quantity when it comes to dungeons but I am not sure that's exactly true as you are correct - everyone has to do it, one reason or another. And if you remove those reasons, probably not that many people will be left
You have some valid points, but you forget to look at it from the other side. What about people that love high M+ and despise mythic raiding, but are forced to do mythic raiding because they need for example Spymasters to have the best gear possible. What's the solution? Just let me do Delves and buy Myth track Spymasters?
@@thatsimbalanced2322 I don't think M+ people should be forced to do mythic raiding either... Never liked that, no one should ever be forced to do anything or even feel forced to do something that they just do not like... That's my take on it... You should only play the parts of the game that you enjoy playing, never more. This is not real life at all where you have to do your chores, laundry and what not, it's a game, it should be an excape from all the drag and stress of life, but WoW just aren't.
@ Yeah, but at least those who are left are people who actually love and enjoy that feature... I'm not one who says to get rid of stuff just cause I hate it, there are people who love M+ and they should still have the mode and if we can take the people that hate it and do not wanna spend time figuring stuff out, like mechanics, routes... Interrupts, that kinds of stuff, the people who actually like to do M+ have a much higher chance of getting people who like them, want to put in the work to get it done, instead of getting me who well, don't care... I've not looked at any guides for any of the dungeons what so ever, I don't bother to get special nameplates to see what to interrupt cause it has no space in my heart to care for it, I still done plenty of +10s though cause I had to and in DF I did push to 3k just to show some people that I can do it, I just really really do not want to, it's not fun for me at all.
A actually had this exact thought the other day.
And I personaly think having the option to vote negativy would very much improve the toxicity and even gameplay. People would be scared they get negative rating by the other players so they wouldn't start arguments and just shut up, or actually use their dispells or kicks etc.
Also yes, we have Rio score but it is basically a measurement of experience, not skill or attitude.
I've met so mamy people with high rio and high dungeons completed and they were absolute trash at either dps, utility usage, survivability, or just a toxic fucks.
People buy keys for IO and do delves and craft for gear so that is what it is. The negative voting though - pretty scared it can be easily abused in some situations.
We already have a nearly objective system of raider IO score, I’m doubtful adding a completely subjective system of random people’s opinions would do anything to further improve anything.
I think people have this idea that if they do a really good job people will use it to compliment them, but in reality it would probably end up more like Amazon reviews where if you live up to expectations people would largely ignore the system altogether, and only use it when they have a complaint.
You might be right but at the same time it wouldn't hurt to experiment with something like that. Yes, you'd probably ignore it a lot but I've also had people saying "pog heals" at the end of the run. I had people praise the tank if they were exceptional. So if it ends up being used only in these outlined situations, it would also carry a lot more weight. Who knows though, may be absolutely noone would use it
I don't even know if the Mythic plus scoring system is enough at this point the amount of really really really really really bad players I see in the 27th to 2800 range is pretty staggering not that I would ever report them but it's not really an indication of how good somebody is as people can have friends take them to nearly 3K while not knowing anything about how to play.
@ Yeah, I notice that too. Whether it's delves or people just buying keys, it's astounding how many ignorant players there are at high IO score and high ilvl gear. From that perspective IO score is often not enough to judge and may be performance system would help but who knows
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So make it more toxic.... So let me tell you why you have people that actually don't seem to care or want to do much... Maybe the person love to do Mythic raiding and just despise M+ content, but there's no other way to cap out your gilded each week... Now if it's actually pushers, I can't comment... Let us cap our gilded in delves instead of capping it, don't force people in to doing something they hate more than anything just so they can play the content they actually do enjoy... Give more different avenues for people to gather the things that they NEED to continue playing the content that they enjoy to play, don't gatekeep and tell people. "Well you have to do this to do that." it's not helpful, you are now talking about wanting to have a way to make people hate the already toxic system even more, but they are still forced in to having to do it, so now... Instead of just turning their brains off each week and forcing them selves to just get the 90 gilded out of the way and the mythic vaults slots, they would probably just quit all together cause now they are going to be forced to think and take something they can't stand seriously... The fact is, M+ is the only way to cap anything at the moment, which forces people that can't stand the content but LOVE mythic raiding, to do it... So that's the people you will see in +8 and +10, Very veeeeery few of the overall keys done are past +10, majority of all keys are in the +2 +10 and most of it is cause they just don't like the system, cause if they did, they wouldn't stop at +10, they would go beyond that, cause the system is meant to push yourself, but the fact is. People do not want to and I quit wow because it was the ONLY way to keep up with the rest of my mythic raid team on gear and I started to feel like I was holding the team back because I refused to touch M+ I forced my self to do it now and again, but it burns me out and makes me hate and dread the time I spend in wow, so I quit... I don't have fun only doing heroic raiding, your character's progression is never done till you have the best gear that you can get to me and CE... That's what's fun, not sitting with the gear that's juuust not good enough to be great, not having AotC, it just feels like I got up to the last few steps of the stairs and just, stopped there, lingering, nothing really accomplished.. And M+ has no accomplishment to me, I'm not competitive, I don't care about scores or medals, it has literally no meaning to me AT ALL, only raiding has meaning to me and is fun to me... And I loved Delves, I could take my time and just have fun, not feel like I was just shoved and forced in to Dark souls which I already don't like, and then told that I have to react to every single hit coming at me but also speed run the game and not just take my time to experience the lore and story, that's M+ to me and I want no part in it... They capped Delves to 18 gilded now.. I mean great, at least they drop, but it's just not enough, I'd still have to do M+ to hit the 90 gilded earlier on in the season and I just do not want any part in that.... Just let people play the game how they want to play, if you give people more ways to do what they enjoy, the rest of you also won't have people like me who hate even being in your damn M+ group, you can't force people to do it, or force them to take it 100% serious like you do... You like and love the content, of course you are excited to give it your all, but there's many out there who just can't... It's like having to take out the dishes, doing the laundry, doing your taxes, taking out the trash... That's not how a game should feel, not for you, not for me, not for anyone... And this voting system is just going to make people hate it even more and then the game will lose more subs, until the numbers can't keep the game running anymore and it becomes a full free to play model where you have to pay to be able to equip purple gear and stuff and over time it becomes another TERA and forgotten in the past.
It's interesting what percentage of the players is actually "forced" to play M+. Blizzard did say that they are focused on the quality and not the quantity when it comes to dungeons but I am not sure that's exactly true as you are correct - everyone has to do it, one reason or another. And if you remove those reasons, probably not that many people will be left
You have some valid points, but you forget to look at it from the other side. What about people that love high M+ and despise mythic raiding, but are forced to do mythic raiding because they need for example Spymasters to have the best gear possible.
What's the solution? Just let me do Delves and buy Myth track Spymasters?
@@thatsimbalanced2322 I don't think M+ people should be forced to do mythic raiding either... Never liked that, no one should ever be forced to do anything or even feel forced to do something that they just do not like... That's my take on it... You should only play the parts of the game that you enjoy playing, never more. This is not real life at all where you have to do your chores, laundry and what not, it's a game, it should be an excape from all the drag and stress of life, but WoW just aren't.
@ Yeah, but at least those who are left are people who actually love and enjoy that feature... I'm not one who says to get rid of stuff just cause I hate it, there are people who love M+ and they should still have the mode and if we can take the people that hate it and do not wanna spend time figuring stuff out, like mechanics, routes... Interrupts, that kinds of stuff, the people who actually like to do M+ have a much higher chance of getting people who like them, want to put in the work to get it done, instead of getting me who well, don't care... I've not looked at any guides for any of the dungeons what so ever, I don't bother to get special nameplates to see what to interrupt cause it has no space in my heart to care for it, I still done plenty of +10s though cause I had to and in DF I did push to 3k just to show some people that I can do it, I just really really do not want to, it's not fun for me at all.
@@thatsimbalanced2322 Isn't the new dinar token going to solve this next patch?