VATSIM Tutorial: Departure Communications - from Startup to Cruise!
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In this video: communications during an IFR departure from startup at the gate, until cruising level.
By watching this video you will learn the basic phraseology that's being used during an IFR departure while flying an airliner from A to B. Remember, this is an example flight in Europe. The phraseology might be slightly different in your country/continent.
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I am asking about streaming in respect of the Pilot Edge air traffic control utility? Is streaming involved with regard to Pilot Edge use? Does Pilot Edge have a fully functional ACARS? Would you see visually other traffic on your computer monitor/ screen and on your airplane's TACAS vsi instrument when on or using Pilot Edge? I ask if streaming is involved as there must be some kind of screen capture software working on all participants computers to record each airplane's position on the built-in database map of the flight simulator program that it may be displayed to other aircraft traffic within the Pilot Edge air traffic control system. How is other traffic determined and hence displayed to participant traffic on Pilot Edge if streaming is not involved?
I am asking about streaming in respect of the Pilot Edge or VATSIM air traffic control utility? Is streaming involved with regard to Pilot Edge use? Does Pilot Edge have a fully functional ACARS? Would you see visually other traffic on your computer monitor/ screen and on your airplane's TACAS vsi instrument when on or using Pilot Edge? I ask if streaming is involved as there must be some kind of screen capture software working on all participants computers to record each airplane's position on the built-in database map of the flight simulator program that it may be displayed to other aircraft traffic within the Pilot Edge air traffic control system. How is other traffic determined and hence displayed to participant traffic on Pilot Edge if streaming is not involved?
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The first difference I noticed was in the clearance. in America we say "Kennedy Clearance, AAL2023 is ready for clearance" then the controller will reply "AAL2023, Kennedy Clearance cleared to the Boston airport as filed climb and maintain 10,000 expect FL320 10 mins after departure push and start at your discretion. Expect runway 13R, squawk 1320 contract ground 121.9 cya" the piolt will reply "AAL2023 cleared to Boston as filed Climb and maintain 10,000 expect Fl320 10 mins after departure ground on 121.9 have a good day"
The only difference is that the ATC is sometimes quiet or too fast
or have kids screaming in the background... that was a fun first experience.
It sounds like a lot of ATC is auctioning off clearances.
Using these guides to help build my confidence for vatsim. Thank so much!
I'm glad to hear that, you're welcome! :)
Very useful video and very well organised. Thanks!
+Yasmine PREURE You're welcome, thank you! :)
hey ik ben nieuw met vatsim en wilde helpen of je me kan helpen ik heb een paar van je video's gekeken maar vind het nog steeds moeilijk
But Tower didn't told me to contact radar, when I done that myself, radar ignored me! What do i do?
Excellent-concise and precise-thank you!
I have atc interview this november, this tutorial helps me a lot! thank you!
You're welcome, good luck!
Hey thanks for posting this, it was pretty helpful. I had my first VFR flight on VATSIM last night, made a couple of mistakes, mostly on ground procedure, oops, and thought the controller said left downwind when he said crosswind, but the controller was patient and it wasn't a busy airport, but overall it was pretty enjoyable. The hardest part was pressing the push-to-talk button for the first time heh.
+NextGenPants You're welcome! :) Well, it's a good thing that you started at an airport that wasn't busy and luckily there was a polite air traffic controller online! :) And yes, that's the moment we all "fear", but once you've made the step it will be very easy! :)
This is so informative and so much fun. Thank you for your videos.
I'm glad to hear that, thanks for watching! :)
The most informative tutorial ever! Thank you.
Thanks for watching!
Amazing and well done! This tutorial helped me so much! :D
tysm for the tutorial. Now I have a lot more of confidence and knowledge for my first vatsim flight.
You're welcome!
Amazing video I’ve got a lot information thank you
Great for starting out using vat sim and phraseology, 1 quick point don’t use for or to when communicating with atc. This can easily be confused instead report altitude changes as climbing and descending then your assigned altitude. Great video.
Thanks!
Prachtig werk Aviation Pro!
+Theo Langenberg Dankjewel Theo! :)
Very informative video and I love that you chose Polish LOT!
You're welcome! :)
You make this easy to understand and remove some of the "intimidation" new pilots (like myself) might have, Awesome and thanks.
You're welcome! these are some old tutorials though, there are a lot more newer ones here on the channel ;)
Very informative and helpful as I'm close to entering the network. Thank you.
You’re welcome, good luck!
very usefull help for beginners. Thanks a lot
You're welcome! :)
Thanks really helped me a lot wrote it all down so I don't forget and it will help me on my first time on vats I'm
You're welcome! Good luck with your first flights :)
This helped ALOT! thank you.
You're welcome!
hello, thank you for doing this - it has helped me a lot. großes Dankeschön!
+Len EDFM Thanks for watching! :)
Great video. Thanks for making it.
Thanks, you're welcome!
Awesome tutorials! Thanks a lot :)
Thanks, you're welcome! :)
Thank you so much , I learnt a lot
Thanks sooo much! So informative.
Keep it up
+CaptainRo That's good to hear, thanks! :)
+AviationPro welcome!
You make excellent videos.
Thanks! :)
Thnak you very much for this vid very helpful
You're welcome! :)
Excellent Work ..thanks
You're welcome! :)
Very clear , thanks a lot.
You're welcome!
@Speedbird in general, in the evening, when everybody is done working. Most ATC will be available in the weekend, especially on Friday and Saturday.
AviationPro I have a question: When you file a flight plan on VATSIM, do you need to do prior research on the airport's active runway to make sure there are no discrepancies between what the air traffic controller is telling you and what you have entered in your FMC? Or do you need to change your flight plane according to what the controller is telling you?
Your flight plan will contain a route with a start point and an end point which lead to SIDs and STARs respectively, this route should NOT include the SIDs and STARs yet. You do not have to include a SID and STAR in your flight plan yet, because you never know which one you will get.
AviationPro Thanks! That makes a lot more sense!
Dank je vel
I wrote all this down, you just saved my life from getting calls wrong on VATSIM a, THANK YOU
I'm glad to hear that, thanks for watching! :)
+AviationPro That was very informative. Thanks!
Good to hear, thanks for watching! :)
sorry for the stupid question but what is the difference between saying Roger and Wilco?
That's not a stupid question, because people mix them up quite often! :) Roger just means that you understood the transmission. Wilco stands for "Will comply", meaning you understand the transmission and you will execute the ATC instruction. Wilco is mainly used for small instructions that don't really require a full readback like "report ready for startup".
AviationPro howww ooookkk i get it :D thank you !
@@AviationPro Thats a new thing for me, thanks mate
Good job!
Thank you! :)
installed it today
i am pretty sure, that even though i've been playing fs for over 7 years now, this will be something new for me
how'd it go?
the video is so useful! thxs! oh and btw sometimes i need to standby for awhile ;-;
i love when he says "bye bye"
Extremly thanks captain
Useful video as always nice that you fly 767 with Polish Lot livery. Now these great planes are being replaced with 787. In my opinion in Dreamliner cockpit there is to much screens I prefer mix of the analog instruments with electric ones just like on 767 and 757. Well the only exception is 777 in my opinion the best flight deck so far ;-)
Thanks! Yeah me too, I don't like those big screens on the 787 either. I'm glad they kept the yoke in there though ;) Thanks for watching! :)
This is a aircraft. Graphics is amazing. What is this mod and where did you get it. Thanks for sharing this tremendous tutorial. Stay safe.
Thankyou
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You're welcome :)
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Good to hear! :)
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It was my first time on the network this week, and I accidentally blew through every altitude on the departure chart. 😅 Hopefully this will help me not do that again. Thanks for the video.
Oh dear! Better luck next time haha, have fun!
Hey, when is their most coverage on vatsim? I did a flight from KSEA to EGLL and after KSEA I had no coverage!
EGLL should have a lot of coverage
I Love the 767
Me too :)
A point to add, you touched on briefly. If there is an incoming aircraft for example, you could be give a conditional taxi/clearance. This is where the controller would say: "LOT1364, behind the arriving Lufthansa A330, runway 25C, line up and wait behind." Fairly self explanatory but getting the RT perfect can be a challenge. Good vid by the way
Max Beckett Yes that's true. There is a lot of R/T that is not mentioned in this video and that would probably go beyond the scale of the P1 course. This just gives a basic idea of some of the communications involved from departure to arrival. All the other R/T can be learned through getting experience and doing additional reading. Thanks for watching, subscribing and commenting! :)
+AviationPro agreed, it was only briefly mentioned in my P1 sessions (I did it though VATSIM UK) but it's useful to know for controller ratings and future ratings too. Keep up the good work
Max Beckett Should be noted conditional statements are not allowed in the US from controller to pilot, only controller to controller.
Hiya, thanks for these videos they really help for first time users like me. Before I connect I just want to ask a question which is, if you are on Unicom for when on the ground for departure, and there is no ATIS, how would I know which runway is the active runway for takeoff/landings?
+Ellis Malone Thanks! Check the weather and based on the wind information you can pick your own runway ;)
That engine thrust though xD
Hello! Amazing video! It gonna help me a lot, thanks for posting this! Just 1 question... where can I find departure charts like in the minute 10:35?
+Bordeath C. Thanks! You can find charts very easily: th-cam.com/video/zFsA9yS1Ml8/w-d-xo.html
Noticed one thing missing, when tower gives you clearance to depart with wind direction and speed, they will also verify altimeter setting as in LOT123 wind 210 at 10 gusting to 15 altimeter 349 cleared for takeoff.
Not sure whether this is the case everywhere, but where I work, the Pressure setting is given with the taxi clearance. The AIR/TWR controller only specifies it if it changed in the time between being given the taxi clearance, and the actual take-off clearance.
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Could you please list the addons used in this video? Thank you!
Danke shön
You’re welcome!
A document of all important commands as written text would be good...
Can you please explain what does "Information Delta" actually mean? How do you identify that your information is Delta ?
And thanks for a great video Sir !!
Thanks! It's the identifying letter of the current ATIS information. When the ATIS changes, the letter is updated as well so that you can be sure that you have the latest airport and weather information.
Its real interesting but i suggest that let also the phraseology be really taught to the passengers, its very inportant
+Dennis Matthew Well, by watching this video they have an opportunity to do so ;)
its really interesting, i wish i got a scholarship in your Academy.
maybe a year ago or so, I got some info from the other flightsim network (IVAO) that now you only state your position, the ATIS info and then you request pushback. The ATC would then hand over your clearance and gives you permission for startup and pushback. I don't know if that's some kind of shortcut when not all ATC positions at the airfield are online or if it's the real procedure (can't really imagine the delivery giving you permission for startup)
+aviationFan5418 That really depends on the airport. At some small ones here in the Netherlands for example, you get your flight plan clearance while you're taxiing. That's why it's always wise to read the airport procedures first, but the way you see it happening in this video is most common, at least for the bigger airports (because they have to work with slot times etc.)
When you do virtual airline does the vatsim programme already have all of the repaints +AviationPro
They usually do I think.
hello dear..thks a lot for such a useful video. .had a great experience of vatsim jst bcos of u..but have a little problem..i want to knw what is unicom feq..cos till take of everything was fine..aft takeoff controller told me to tune unicom feq.As i tried to make contact with them. i got no response from.plz help
K thank you
You're welcome!
I have two questions: if ATC tells me that i need to file a flight plan what must i do?? and how do you identify the runway where ATC tells you that you have to go to takeoff and the way to go to it??
I think it would be good for you if you start reading up on some manuals first. Or watch my new VATSIM tutorial series: th-cam.com/play/PLtO_n5SzuAadbW1hjV59Ebm6s9APfWsZM.html
Is the gear still down at 17,000ft+ ? Great video. 👍🏻👍🏻
Nope, it’s in the off position :)
Hey AviationPro, which airport should I use for VATSIM? Like, should we download an AFCAD airport or the default airport or the payware ones?
Which airport will the atc tell the taxiways? Im really confused about it.
It's best if you use an addon airport, which are usually more up-to-date than the default scenery. Payware is of course nice for the looks, but usually there are also freeware alternatives or AFCAD updates. The ATC will work with the present airport layout, so according to the latest charts. If you can't find an up-to-date scenery just try to locate yourself on the chart and determine what the taxiway letters and gate numbers around you are as if you were flying at the airport in the present layout.
Do they have places in vatsim where you can train and they give you lessons or do you half to train yourself. Thank you
There are, they are called ATOs like the VATSIM Pilot Training Academy you see here, or for more personal training there are others listed here: ptd.vatsim.net/atos
Hello. I´m about to make my first flight online :) don´t seem very complicated actually, but i have some questions:
1- can i accelete the time in case of larger flights? if i do so, what will happen in practice?
2- who can i know wich charts atc are using to control the operations in the aiport( for taxi, SIDs, STARs, etc)
Excelent video helped me a lot ;)
+Luís Jorge Hi! No you can't, that's not allowed if you are flying online on VATSIM. What you could do though is sign off, accelerate time, and then at some point go back to 1x speed and sign onto the network again, however that is still a bit tedious in my opinion. ATC use the same charts and procedures as pilots do. If you mean that you need to know which runway is active: just listen to the ATIS or determine that yourself by looking at the wind direction at the airport :)
Thank you so much. One more question i forgot to ask. If a log in with an addon aircraft, lets say, airbus aerosoft extended, if the other people don't have that software in their computar how they or what aircraft they will see?
They will see an AI model if they have done some proper model matching. You don't need to have the same addon installed for that, just a basic model from addons like Ultimate Traffic will work as well.
+AviationPro thank you so much for the help. cant wait to start. nothing better to improve comunnications and best way to approach the real thing !!!
Absolutely! Good luck! :)
Hi what type of airplane add on you use for the B767 then Im mean like example pmdg or Ifly u know.
It's the Level-D Boeing 767-300ER.
Your tutorial running on what Flight Sim program?
Hi, how do you monitor Unicom and know when to tune into active frequencies
By tuning 122.800 in your communication radio. A controller will send you a contact me if you are entering his/her airspace. Alternatively, you could contact them yourself if you know you are about to enter their airspace.
I have a question at most airports when i connect to vatsim there isnt a clearance frequency thats why i cannot request startup and i dont know if i should use ground frequency to start pls help me D:
what do you do if you are flying through airspace/sectors not currently being controlled? what if you are flying from a minor airport that usually has no clearance/ground/tower/departure controllers, but still wish to fly with Vatsim protocols?
You monitor UNICOM (122,800) while flying through uncontrolled airspace. At such airports you would just follow real world procedures and fly yourself. If a radar controller is online he could provide VFR information etc.
when i am a cessna 172, what do i say at first? like, i have no destination, i just want to fly a circle around the airport or stuff like that?
Hello, if you don't mind some suggestions, the aviation language is English. Whoever listing your tutorial (maybe because that person is new to the ATC-ommunication), the best way is if you keep the English communication. Thanks on behalf of the new students...
121.8 is my local airport's ground frequency
If there is no delivery can i call for clearance from another tower like the ground tower. Thank you
You ask clearance to controller that is in the lowest position. E.G. Center and App/Depp are online. You would ask App/Depp for clearance.
what plugin is used to show the passenger walk way to the plane and is retracted after all passengers have boarded
Airport Enhancement Services by Aerosoft, unfortunately it's only compatible with a number of payware airports
which flight simulator software did you use to make this video?
FS2004
Great video but what does the controller say when you're being handed off into non controlled airspace? Just tune to Unicom?
Yes, the controller will tell you to monitor UNICOM on 122,800. Some controllers might just say "frequency change approved" implying that you switch to UNICOM yourself.
AviationPro Okay thanks! I'm going to start my first VATSIM/ATC flight within a couple of days, and watching these videos are a great help!
Nice, thank you! :)
How do you know what the ATIS frequency is?
Do you have another screen showing which controllers are on or if a controller is just about to go off? Thanks
Also, if an aircraft on your frequency is only on text, can you read his communications with ATC?
I usually use my laptop for that. It runs squawkbox so I can see what air traffic controller are online, or by using servinfo for example. And yes, as long as you are tuned in on the active frequency, you can also see text messages from other pilots in your pilot client.
I have never flown with vatsim. I usually fly light aircraft. Does vatsim work with the light aircraft like the Cessna 172?
You can fly any aircraft, as long as it is not a spaceshuttle or a hot air balloon and stuff like that.
What is DME mean and what is the SIDS used for?
Hey guy where did you get that cool 767? payware or freeware?
+Hoa Nha It's the Level-D 767. You can buy it over at flight1.com ;)
+AviationPro And EDDF?
How do you make your traffic not default??
Holt shit bedankt!
So you can use this as a flight simulator as well? Not just ATC?
It's a network. You connect with your flight simulator (like FS2004, FSX or Prepar3D) to this network so that ATC can see you and you can see other pilots.
What does the info mean? Alpha Bravo Charlie...
***** It's the identification letter of the current ATIS. Please see this page: aviationpro.nl/vatsim/faq/communications/what-is-atis/
Hello. I have question. In MSFS 2020 pushback is not always available. VATSIM dispatchers knows when pushback available? And second question. What shall i do if i roll off from taxyway into grass and stuck there?
Call for a tow😂
hi, how do you request a VFR clearance if you will arrive at the same airport, with going out of the CTR (like here in the video @03:15)? thx
+unclealig VFR flights (in Europe) usually don't get a flight plan clearance like this, usually just a start-up clearance with some extra information like the QNH and the altitude you should be flying at. The way this startup clearance looks like also depends a bit on the country and airport, but here's a good guide with some more info about VFR phraseology: www.atac.ca/web/images/Documents/Phraseology%20Guide%20for%20GA%20Pilot%20in%20Europe.pdf
Sorry for off topic question but does P3D have gate and apron markings for every airport
Not sure, for most major airports it does though.
@@AviationPro ok thank you
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SULUS what is that?? what is stands for and where do you find the infomation for that
SULUS is the name of a waypoint. Waypoints have names which generally don't mean anything. In this case SULUS is the first waypoint of a Standard Instrument Departure (SID)! :)
And also want to know how to fly with the airport that doesn't have any atc activit.
In That Case, Its Your Choice If You Want Takeoff And You Can Also Connect To The Unicom Where Only The Pilots Can Contact Each Other.. The Frequency For Unicom is 122.8 .. The Frequency Is For All Around The WORLD!
"Position and hold" not legal for use in use in the US since 2010. We use (Callsign) [Position if on first contact] (Runway) "Line up and wait." --VATUSA I1 Instructor Chicago (ZAU) ARTCC
Correct, it has been adjusted in my new phraseology tutorial here: th-cam.com/video/ecHWjt7cnJM/w-d-xo.html
WHAT AIRCRAFT DID YOU USE AND IF THERE IS NO DERLIVERY SHALL WE SAY THAT TO GROUND
+Mamon Amour No need for turning on your caps lock. It's the Level-D 767 and yes you have to contact ground in that case.
ROGER THANK YOU, SORRY BUT THE CAPSLOCK BUTTON IS STUCK I WILL FIX IT NEXT WEEK END THANKS AGAIN YOUR TUTORIALS ARE VERY HELPFULL
When ATC says "wind 230 at 16 knots" does that mean the wind is going towards heading 230?
No, it means from.
The first waypoint is SULUS why you say then 8G behind, and what is wilco??
Wilco = will comply. 8G is the identifier for the Standard Instrument Departure (SID), it's just a name for the SID. When this SID changes, they update the identifier, so then it becomes SULUS 9G for example.
How do you find your frequency
Hey in fsx on vatsim do you fly inn multiplayer or solo?
You connect to VATSIM via a pilot client, not using FSX's multiplayer function.
If there's no clearance delivery and ground tower at the airport, then who should I contact to?the tower?
If only ground and tower are online, contact ground for clearance. Please check this out: aviationpro.nl/vatsim/faq/communications/which-atc-station-should-i-contact/
+AviationPro thx!