Abus Rock 83 80 Brand New and Rust on It
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ม.ค. 2025
- This padlock is a CEN Grade 5 certified lock and a great product or piece for your collection. It has passed all European tests and has therefore achieved its certification. My criticism in this video has nothing to do with the security of this padlock. It has to do with the quality of its finish only. This is a very secure padlock!
I just bought a brand new Abus Rock 83/80 and found rust on the inside of the padlock body. The chrome finish does not seem to be on the hardened metal parts that are located on the inside of the lock body. On padlocks of other manufacturers like Anchor Las or Abloy the plating is also on the inner parts of the hardened lock body.
If I am not wrong this model is made in the factory of Abus that is located in China. They should either work on their quality control or on the chrome plating process.
My name is Adrian Weber and I am a private Security Adviser with a CFPA certificate in Security and Security Management. If you have any questions please feel free to contact me.
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Great video, beautiful lock. Love abus padlocks. Im stuck on a 65/60 at the moment, but I will get it open one day. Danke Adrian
Rich
richardwales Hey Rich, the 65 is not that easy for a beginner, I believe I picked it once but not sure. Gerne wieder! Adrian
Thanks for the comment mate!
Constructive Criticism is Key :-)) Great Work Adrian
Thanks Mark, always welcome! Best wishes, Adrian
Adrian Weber Thankyou Adrian Heres a bit of info you and others may find helpful, I used a large Kasp 19070 for the gates at the stables and within 6 months the first layer of nickel plating peeled off! The locking balls started rusting so I replaced with silicon nitride as it was getting hard for people to open! The ceramic balls helped but having no real drain holes I had to constantly strip it down and use marine grease to keep the rust at bay which was clogging the pins! Then the chrome peeled off the shackle and it was so rust aggressive that I had to replace the lock! Having to have 20 keys cut is rather expensive so went with the kasp with the common key design! Anchor-Las and Abloy are the best when it comes to corrosion resistance but the high security keys cost a bomb! I do have a Chubb Conquest that is made by abloy with the same exellent chrome finish but with more of a simple regular key as the kasp, so seems to be doing ok :-))
I heard of many people having the same problem. The mentioned Kasp padlock does not have a good a weather protection. The weather protection on the Anchor Las and Assa Abloy padlocks is very good that is true but these locks are also very expensive. The disc type cylinder can withstand very harsh weather conditions and is perfect for those conditions. Other manufacturers such as Squire still use pin cylinder but with caps for weather protection which is also a good solution but by far not perfect. Lever type locks are also very good for withstanding harsh conidtions. The German Bundeswehr had problems with the small green military padlocks not opening or being stuck. Abus then came up with their new design where the rivets and the interior mechanism including the levers are made of brass. Those locks are tiny but can withstand very harsh weather conditions and I love them and also sell them. Thanks for the additional input again Mark! Best wishes from Germany, Adrian
Adrian Weber Thankyou for the wealth of Exellent Information Adrian, Ive collected many padlocks over the years and thought I was well up on the facts until I met yourself! I feel like quite a Novice now :-)) Well I know were to come now for help and information, Adrian the Oracle! Many thanks, Mark.
You and I have discussed the issues with even plating on the inside and outside of a lockbody and we understand the challenges. At Commando we've learned to increase the amount of nickel and time in the tank...you simply can't rush plating. You know we have some rusty chromed parts because they are sitting in the Scrap Department. Thanks for sharing. That's disappointing for such an expensive lock.
Thanks for the comment Patrick. I have not mentioned that issue with your padlocks because you asked me not to. As for your US stamped padlocks they are perfect and I have not even found the smallest sign of rust on them! I have seen many padlocks in my life so far I never had such an expensive lock with rust on it before. Chrome plated American locks like the Series 700 for example have the same flaw though.. I have a brand new series 700 anniversary padlock here and there is rust on it...
another nice video again Adrian,
Is there any way to fit an Abloy cylinder into this lock?
Yes you can usw any kind of standard oval cylinder with this padlock. You can also get the Protec2 as oval cylinder.
This helped me decide to pay a little more to purchase the Anchor Las 840-4 lock instead.
Thanks mate another review is incomming right now. Showing how to assemble this lock etc. Picking it would be quite difficult trust me... the keyway is VERY restrictive! I will show it in detail in the other video.
Thank you Oldfast! I am planning on writing one last mail to Abus when my report on the bypass is finished but I do not think they will listen.
There are two version. One for the smaller cores with the Z bar and one for those oval cylinders. I would recommend the ones for the oval cylinders because like this you can choose of a large variety of cores even the Protec!
what is nano protect?
Very good choice mate! I will do the Video of the 590-6 again within in the next weeks and then do some more reviews continuing with the Grade 4 and Grade 5 padlocks.
Hello there i have just brought my self one of these locks but it was the 570 Abus type cylinder can you change it from key retaining to non key retaining?
Not sure, can you provide me with a picture of the actuator and the back of the core? I could check it then. Just sent me a pm with your mail address and I will contact you as soon as I can! I may be out until tomorrow just that you know.
I just got one of these with the Schlage S2.keyway. I really like big locks.:) Cheers!
+Ith Bombgard Great you got one man! Best wishes, Adrian
I've been trying to locate the 83cs/80 as well, but have been unable to locate one here in the states. If you happen to come upon one, I would appreciate it if you could let me know. Take care!
+Ith Bombgard I can order them but you also need an oval cylinder for it. If you are interested send me an e-mail and we can discuss the details!
Hi Adrian awesome video as always! Can you provide any insight on where you purchased or where i Can purchase,I have the 83/80 un shrouded version any help is appreciated!
Hey Murleaf, the Abus Rock which can take oval cylinders is only available in Germany. Even a certified locksmith with a licence to deal Abus products will not be able to order that version in the U.S. On the other hand I can not order Security Lockout padlocks here in Europe. But I can sell and send you an Abus Rock including an oval cylinder of your choice ;) best wishes, Adrian
Hi Adrian Hopefully I understood correctly lol! So I can get the Abus 83/30 from you? I am looking for the concealed shackle version,I have 2 83/30 's one with the German Abus 83 S 2 Vitess core and one with the Abus 83 series restricted keyway core.
I want the concealed shackle for my collection,so please let me know what you can do for me on that with the oval core.
Thanks for responding!!!
Yes you can get that from me but they are quite expensive because of shipping etc. but according to my tax lady I can sell to the U.S. tax free. Which I didn't before but it seems I now have to. I can get you any oval core you want but recommend Abus Pfaffenhain cylinders. Especially the XY and the Bravus are nice! Best wishes, Adrian
I have no idea but will ask my metal specialist on it!
Your welcome mate!
Hmmm...I was looking at getting one in but I am now curious to see if you ever got a response or replacement from Abus. What did your locksmith say or do for you Adrian?
Hey Don, Abus offered to replace it but I did not take the offer. I wanted to keep it anyway. No harm taken! Best wishes and Thanks for the comment, Adrian
Glad to hear Abus stepped up and offered to replace it for you. Good to know! Thanks ;)
Don you should know that it is not easy to network with Abus. The companies head of marketing told me on the Security fair in Essen that they don't need me to do videos. He said that they have their own TH-cam channel and don't see the benefit in me making videos for their products. German comapanies are not easy to network with. The only company I know that is very keen on networking is Telenot. They make some of the best alarm system I have ever seen. I have planned some Telenot alarm systems for customers and Telenot is very forthcoming. Best wishes, Adrian
Oh and by the way... cool channel logo and background picture!
I will do as soon as I get my technical entry lock picking kit
I wonder if you ever got anywhere with Abus on this padlock??
I actually did. I met the assistant of the CEOs from Abus on the Security fair in Essen about four years ago. He did listen to my complaints and said he would discuss that with the factory in China next time he goes there. They wanted to improve their chrome plating. I am however unsure if this actually ever happened. Hope that helps! Best wishes, Adrian
Adrian Weber
Thanks Adrian,
I appreciate your time.
And I am sure that speaking to the right people can make all the difference.😉
Well a lot a stuff that is made in China by Abus actually has a quite decent quality compared to other products made in China but in this case I have to agree with you mate! By the way jimster I would like to get in touch with you because I want to some lock trades with you. Are you up to it or rather not interested? Please let me know I think I might have some nice old German locks for your collection mate!
No problem always a pleasure :)
So 6 years on has Abus improved this lock @Adrian
Hey Christopher, I am not sure, they may have improved the plating but I wasnt able to recheck it yet! Best wishes, Adrian
@@AdrianWeber hmmm i want to buy one do you know if it is compatible with the pewag 12mm security chain?
Hey Christopher, no idea sorry... but as long as the hasp of the padlock can fit through the chain links you should be fine I think! Adrian
A cool name for "chrome plated"
Not cool, Abus! You get on their asses Adrian! Peace n Tanks...
Rust looks like iron fillings left over from machining. They rust quick. It's not from the lock, it's just dirt.
ghosttwo2 You can be right, I am however not 100% sure and it did not only look like metal shavings. Either way they did not clean good enough after the milling process.
It's not rust, it's grease for protecting it from moisture! I've had exactly the same on an expensive Mountain bike (Whyte prst1), on the suspension screw joints.
Hey Michael, yeah there is definitely grease within the lock but there was also rust believe me.
The words "made in China" explains everything...
Holly banana, thats a biiig ass padlock!
Haha thanks Matej it sure is big but the Anchor Las Garde 6 padlick is even a little bit bigger and even a bit heavier (1.3kg vs 1.65kg)
Wow...thats the weight of my Abus X Plus 540 ULOCK ! (which I bought after I saw your review thx).
These big padlock arent even available in my country to my knowledge.
It's very hard to chrome plate in the inside. It's electroplated and if you don't do anything to plate it on the inside there'll be no plating on the inside just about no matter how long you'll leave it in the bath as there'll be just about zero current going through the liquid inside the lock. If you want to electroplate it on the inside you'll have to center electrodes inside the lock. That would be a very costly procedure.
The kind of steel used for such a hard thing as this lock will surface rust quite fast (might have been stored slightly damp or just in transit on a cold truck). Just like brake discs on your car. Just leave it one rainy day and they'll have rust spots on them the next morning. For a lock you want to use don't bother about it it'll last no problem. It's the same with other brands except stainless steel ones but they're not as hard. If no rust from factory it'll quickly get some. The best you can do is clean then grease the inside well make sure everything is covered - your lock is now ready to go into your collection. Use a good grease intended for the use. There's special salt and moisture repelling lock grease but I find superlube to work very well myself. A bit of grease also helps keeping the steel balls in place when reassembling.
Assa Abloy actually has such a plating machine which centers electrodes inside of the lock. Therefore the whole body, even the inside gets plated. I know that it will not affect the security but for such a high price I would expect a plating of the whole body, even the inside. Best wishes, Adrian
Nice! Didn't know. Thanks for info!
Took a look at my Abloy 362 - never bothered taking it apart before - seems you're right. Could seem the Ruko 4 (also Assa Abloy Group) is too (haven't taken the shackle out). Their (much) smaller model 2 (8mm shackle) what you typically would use for a shed or basement storage room is not but that's also brass body so really no need for it to be.
On the other hand to be fair the Abus is significantly cheaper than Abloy's comparable so hey you probably get what you pay for (yeah I know there for some odd reason seems to be a ton of 362 on the bay new but without code card but if you want you can always have them rekeyed but I don't see them as genuine representation of the real price for a 362). Again I wouldn't bother too much for a lock to be put to actual use. You have to give it a good covering-all-greasing inside anyway. In a basement etc. no problem either way. For an outside lock there will quickly get sand and dirt in it anyway grinding first the plating on the shackle then inside of the body.
Danke für die Info, dass diese Serie aus dem chinesischen ABUS Werk stammt. Ich hatte gehofft, dass die dort nur für den asiatischen Markt produzieren. Wie naiv.
Das muss ich nochmal checken, ggf. auf die Granit Serie ausweichen. Sofern die hier noch Arbeitsplätze sichert.
Naja, es gibt leider nur noch sehr wenige Schlösser und Produkte welche Abus hier in Deutschland fertig. Dazu gehören die Schlösser der Granit Serie und einige Bügelschlösser für Motorräder wie das Granit Extreme zum Beispiel. Wenn Geld keine Rolle spielt sollte man zu Anchor Las oder Assa Abloy Hangschlössern mit CEN Zertifizierung greifen, diese sind aber sehr teuer. Wenn CEN Grad 4 oder 5 ausreichen kann man auch gerne zum Granit greifen!
I doubt it but will check :P
Very frustrating given the price tag.
It sure is!
Do more funny cheap padlocks that you can by pass easy.
I will hand one of those cores to bosnianbill just by the way
That's grease
Judging by that butt on your YT page I guess you like grease :P?
Chinese abus... lol
VicariousReality7 The production quality of Abus in China is actually not bad (meaning quite good) but quality control is very important nowadays even and if not at the most for big companies such as Abus.