They’re plug-and-play, which seems like a bright idea… More details on the project web page: wordsnwood.com/2016/T8-led After my last experiment with LED lighting, I thought I was done with LED videos! However, I was in the big box store the other day and came across some plug-and-play T8-compatible LED bulbs. These look like a T8 Bulb, and they plug into a T8 Fluorescent fixture with NO WIRING CHANGES NEEDED. I happened to need some new fluorescent bulbs and so I thought I would give these a try. They plug right in, work just like a regular fluorescent bulb, and they seemed to have comparable brightness to my eyes. One thing to keep in mind is that these REQUIRE the presence of an Electronic ballast in your fixture. ps: the bit at the beginning is an homage to one of John Heisz' videos: th-cam.com/video/YWFjJ4V_zFM/w-d-xo.html ----- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- LINKS TO SOME OF THE ITEMS USED. (Amazon links are affiliate links) For the Canadians: www.rona.ca/en/direct-replacement-led-tube-48-37515059 -- these are the bulbs. For others, here are similar plug-and-play bulbs: amzn.to/2fNCoe9 ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- GEAR I USE TO MAKE VIDEO: amzn.to/1qPkvBp - Canon T5i amzn.to/2aK7jZX - Inexpensive Quick Release tripod ball head (Very useful) amzn.to/1SSwOmS - Sony Action Cam. (I use the HDR-AS15 which is discontinued -- cheaper than a gopro.) amzn.to/267XM3M - Sony Live View video remote for Action Cam amzn.to/1XC2D7l - Joby GorillaPod (Flexible small tripod) ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- Many more woodworking projects: www.wordsnwood.com SUPPORT MY CHANNEL? The best way that you can help support what I do is to buy one of my woodworking plan packages. Details here… wordsnwood.com/plans/ Follow me on Social Media: facebook.com/wordsnwood instagram.com/words.n.wood Thank-you!
Wordsnwood (Art Mulder) the The electronic ballasts I have lasted about 10 years so you can expect having to change those. You might want to remove your ballast and put in the standard led bulbs.
"light.... no light..." :D I knew these would come when I put the (fairly expensive) fixtures in my shop. I figure by the time I have to replace them, the LEDs will be better and cheaper than they are now, although $22 is not a bad price at all.
ps: In my shop at 3hrs a day, 14 watts (the savings over the old bulb) only works out to about 15 kWh a year. So it'll take a while to make up that $10 price difference, even at our ridiculous hydro rates in ontario. The unknown is how long it really will last.
John Heisz I love the 5000k bulbs I put in my shop. I can basically run 1 led where 2 t8 use to be. if you get them 4 at a time they are like 12$ a bulb. have to wire out the ballast but these also have a built in diffuser if you want that. Hyperikon T8 LED Light Tube, 4ft, 18W (36W equivalent), 5000K (Crystal White Glow), www.amazon.com/dp/B00N5BNQIE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_3OfmybQ5F6N3Y
Wordsnwood (Art Mulder) I can't get over how nice the 5000k is its almost like daylight. I don't film down there but it makes it 1000x more enjoyable to work when you can see what you are doing. 😀
Interesting Video. Thanks for looking into this. I did post a comment months ago about LED Replacement Bulbs that do not use the ballast. Would you consider looking into trying some of those? I have quite a few of these Fluorescent fixtures in my kitchen and the humming noise from the bulbs is very irritating. I would think that the ballast free LED would cost less to run over time and the annoying sound would be gone too. Just a thought. Thanks again.
My T8 units have electronic ballasts and do not hum at all. If you have a hum, I wonder if you have older T12 systems with old-style magnetic ballasts? If I come across some of the non-ballast units I might check them out, as I also have some old T12 units, but I will probably wait until the bulbs die in those units. (Remember I'm just some guy doing this on the side, so I don't have unlimited funds!)
Thanks for the quick response, Art. I think I will bite the bullet and try a few T8's without the ballast and let you know how it works.It looks like a pretty easy retrofit.Take Care.
We installed the same (i think, or at the very least the same concept ) T8 LED bulbs as well, but the electrician said that it was better to bypass the ballast and wire the bulb directly to the mains. He said that whilst the bulb still works with the ballast , but if it was not removed the ballast would become the load and you won't get the savings as you would from the LED bulbs in terms of its consumption
Fluorescent has more spread. My garage is noticeably darker with LEDs and has more shadows in work areas.I think the trick with LEDs is to install several fixtures, but if you rely on one fixture fluorescent is still the way to go.
I’ve bought few Philips t8 plug in play LED tube, for some reason, it works on my rapid start ballast even though it said”works with instant start ballast”. How come it worked on my rapid start fixture?.
That is my understanding -- the package clearly said that it must be the electronic ballast. (Actually, do T8's even come with the older magnetic kind?)
The led was 1600 lumens .. The florescent bulbs that I have come across are 2400 lumens.... Does the savings on the wattage over 5 years makes up for the price differential? Thats what I have to figure...
I'm up in Thunder Bay Ontario. They've got these LED bulbs there for as little as $12.00 now. I'll be replacing all 10 lights in my home based woodshop in the next week or two. With the amount of time I spend in here, they should pay for themselves in hydro savings in 2 years or less.
I find the LED bulbs to have more of a greenish touch to them while good quality old T8´s have a better light for working rooms and similar (2700-6500K, 8000K is also greenish)
when you look stand near the led batten it looks bright but the lumen range of fluorocent tubelight is higher you are going to need 2x20w led batten to full light the room one in this wall 2nd in far wall its a myth led bulbs and tubelight takes lesser power but more light
That works out to CDN$14 a bulb, so $8 cheaper... LEDs are dropping everywhere as the market fills up with them. That is why I specifically mentioned the month and year in my video, as it'll be totally out of date within six months, I predict. Thanks!
Nice presentation. I like your judgments. However, if you download a free Lux meter on your smart phone,....Cellphone lux accuracy aside, we could get a better measure of the brightness at a given level.
Here's the thing and I don't mean to burst anybody's bubble but you are using the existing electronic ballast ballast that produces the same amount of power regardless if it's a 18 watt bulb or 32 watt bulb you're using the same amount of power and regular T8 will last just as long under common everyday use how do I know this I was a lighting technician for 12 years I changed all the lights at Home Depot's all the lights and Office Depot all the lights in Meijer and those lights are on 24/7 and their fluorescent
So the led is: -saving you money off your power bill -it’s consuming less power (green) -more light output -waaaaay longer life time -directional light .... but yet you seem to be sided against them?🤷🏻♂️🤔
They’re plug-and-play, which seems like a bright idea…
More details on the project web page:
wordsnwood.com/2016/T8-led
After my last experiment with LED lighting, I thought I was done with LED videos!
However, I was in the big box store the other day and came across some plug-and-play T8-compatible LED bulbs. These look like a T8 Bulb, and they plug into a T8 Fluorescent fixture with NO WIRING CHANGES NEEDED. I happened to need some new fluorescent bulbs and so I thought I would give these a try.
They plug right in, work just like a regular fluorescent bulb, and they seemed to have comparable brightness to my eyes.
One thing to keep in mind is that these REQUIRE the presence of an Electronic ballast in your fixture.
ps: the bit at the beginning is an homage to one of John Heisz' videos: th-cam.com/video/YWFjJ4V_zFM/w-d-xo.html
----- ---------- ---------- ---------- ----------
LINKS TO SOME OF THE ITEMS USED. (Amazon links are affiliate links)
For the Canadians: www.rona.ca/en/direct-replacement-led-tube-48-37515059 -- these are the bulbs.
For others, here are similar plug-and-play bulbs: amzn.to/2fNCoe9
---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ----------
GEAR I USE TO MAKE VIDEO:
amzn.to/1qPkvBp - Canon T5i
amzn.to/2aK7jZX - Inexpensive Quick Release tripod ball head (Very useful)
amzn.to/1SSwOmS - Sony Action Cam. (I use the HDR-AS15 which is discontinued -- cheaper than a gopro.)
amzn.to/267XM3M - Sony Live View video remote for Action Cam
amzn.to/1XC2D7l - Joby GorillaPod (Flexible small tripod)
---------- ---------- ---------- ---------- ----------
Many more woodworking projects:
www.wordsnwood.com
SUPPORT MY CHANNEL? The best way that you can help support what I do is to buy one of my woodworking plan packages. Details here…
wordsnwood.com/plans/
Follow me on Social Media:
facebook.com/wordsnwood
instagram.com/words.n.wood
Thank-you!
Wordsnwood (Art Mulder) the The electronic ballasts I have lasted about 10 years so you can expect having to change those. You might want to remove your ballast and put in the standard led bulbs.
There should be some kind of award given to anyone who can get those plastic light covers back on without breaking them.
"light.... no light..." :D
I knew these would come when I put the (fairly expensive) fixtures in my shop. I figure by the time I have to replace them, the LEDs will be better and cheaper than they are now, although $22 is not a bad price at all.
"light... no light".... It came to me in a flash.
ps: In my shop at 3hrs a day, 14 watts (the savings over the old bulb) only works out to about 15 kWh a year. So it'll take a while to make up that $10 price difference, even at our ridiculous hydro rates in ontario. The unknown is how long it really will last.
John Heisz I love the 5000k bulbs I put in my shop. I can basically run 1 led where 2 t8 use to be. if you get them 4 at a time they are like 12$ a bulb. have to wire out the ballast but these also have a built in diffuser if you want that. Hyperikon T8 LED Light Tube, 4ft, 18W (36W equivalent), 5000K (Crystal White Glow), www.amazon.com/dp/B00N5BNQIE/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_3OfmybQ5F6N3Y
Zach, I was reading on the CanadianWW'ing forum about the Hyperikon's. They're on amazon.ca as well.
Wordsnwood (Art Mulder) I can't get over how nice the 5000k is its almost like daylight. I don't film down there but it makes it 1000x more enjoyable to work when you can see what you are doing. 😀
Interesting Video. Thanks for looking into this. I did post a comment months ago about LED Replacement Bulbs that do not use the ballast. Would you consider looking into trying some of those? I have quite a few of these Fluorescent fixtures in my kitchen and the humming noise from the bulbs is very irritating. I would think that the ballast free LED would cost less to run over time and the annoying sound would be gone too. Just a thought. Thanks again.
My T8 units have electronic ballasts and do not hum at all. If you have a hum, I wonder if you have older T12 systems with old-style magnetic ballasts? If I come across some of the non-ballast units I might check them out, as I also have some old T12 units, but I will probably wait until the bulbs die in those units.
(Remember I'm just some guy doing this on the side, so I don't have unlimited funds!)
Thanks for the quick response, Art. I think I will bite the bullet and try a few T8's without the ballast and let you know how it works.It looks like a pretty easy retrofit.Take Care.
We installed the same (i think, or at the very least the same concept ) T8 LED bulbs as well, but the electrician said that it was better to bypass the ballast and wire the bulb directly to the mains. He said that whilst the bulb still works with the ballast , but if it was not removed the ballast would become the load and you won't get the savings as you would from the LED bulbs in terms of its consumption
I kind of wondered about that.
Fluorescent has more spread. My garage is noticeably darker with LEDs and has more shadows in work areas.I think the trick with LEDs is to install several fixtures, but if you rely on one fixture fluorescent is still the way to go.
I’ve bought few Philips t8 plug in play LED tube, for some reason, it works on my rapid start ballast even though it said”works with instant start ballast”. How come it worked on my rapid start fixture?.
Question -- you mentioned that it requires an electronic ballast -- does that mean the magnetic ballast is a no-no?
That is my understanding -- the package clearly said that it must be the electronic ballast. (Actually, do T8's even come with the older magnetic kind?)
The led was 1600 lumens .. The florescent bulbs that I have come across are 2400 lumens.... Does the savings on the wattage over 5 years makes up for the price differential? Thats what I have to figure...
Any buzzing sound coming from the LED lights?
No.
I'm up in Thunder Bay Ontario. They've got these LED bulbs there for as little as $12.00 now. I'll be replacing all 10 lights in my home based woodshop in the next week or two.
With the amount of time I spend in here, they should pay for themselves in hydro savings in 2 years or less.
3:12 yep you and rest of the world mate!
I find the LED bulbs to have more of a greenish touch to them while good quality old T8´s have a better light for working rooms and similar (2700-6500K, 8000K is also greenish)
T5 HO. About 3 or 4 times the light. You do have to get the entire fixture and the HO bulbs. Very efficient.
Ballast is not required. They dont work with electronic ballast.
Aamazon: Globe Electric 33855 18W
If you don't remove the ballast you won't have any energy savings.
when you look stand near the led batten it looks bright but the lumen range of fluorocent tubelight is higher you are going to need 2x20w led batten to full light the room one in this wall 2nd in far wall
its a myth led bulbs and tubelight takes lesser power but more light
I don't know if you are interested but walmart has them for $10 a bulb in the states. Granted, they probably aren't the same quality.
That works out to CDN$14 a bulb, so $8 cheaper... LEDs are dropping everywhere as the market fills up with them. That is why I specifically mentioned the month and year in my video, as it'll be totally out of date within six months, I predict.
Thanks!
Nice presentation. I like your judgments. However, if you download a free Lux meter on your smart phone,....Cellphone lux accuracy aside, we could get a better measure of the brightness at a given level.
It's so tough to know if and when to switch bulbs, lights, fixtures ...I have about every level going. Who knows by the time I break them or they quit
LEDs are dropping in price all the time, and more and more kinds are being released.
a regular T8 fluorescent tube $12 ? i thought they were
Maybe they are where you live...
maybe ..... but in most of the places hey are not that expensive.
Sorry for the typos...hard to proof read using an iPad
No worries!
Here's the thing and I don't mean to burst anybody's bubble but you are using the existing electronic ballast ballast that produces the same amount of power regardless if it's a 18 watt bulb or 32 watt bulb you're using the same amount of power and regular T8 will last just as long under common everyday use how do I know this I was a lighting technician for 12 years I changed all the lights at Home Depot's all the lights and Office Depot all the lights in Meijer and those lights are on 24/7 and their fluorescent
If you think putting that lends back on is hard try doing a thousand of them a night for 4 nights every week for 12 years
i still don't think they are better than neon tubes
I've got 12 led strip lights in my workshop
Interesting!
IlukeT-8 more don't really see a difference but T-8 seems brighter
$12 for a T8 bulb? I went to Lowes and for $66 I bought a box of 30 T8's.
This video is five years old. The world of LED lights has changed considerably.
So the led is:
-saving you money off your power bill
-it’s consuming less power (green)
-more light output
-waaaaay longer life time
-directional light
.... but yet you seem to be sided against them?🤷🏻♂️🤔