They brought this on them selves they could be reading part 2 of the thing in the basement is getting better at mimicking people but they wanted that wasn’t good enough
@@grbenway They are reading for hours at a time and both are busy creators, they aren't going to make another episode after creating this one and scrapping it. Fan bases are also typically unhinged when it comes to episodic series and it doesn't get released on time, let alone skipped an upload, let alone again if they skipped an upload to an already very long release window in between episodes. The dynamic also changes wildly if you know the story going into it versus reading it blind on top of the viewers repeatedly suggesting them gross content that they have no knowledge of, so it makes no sense they'd be into it, especially their reactions. TLDR: We're the problem here.
The fact a joke about someone doing WWE style most on a small child and slamming her against the wall was LEVITY to what was actually going on in the story says a lot about how fucked up the story was.
Yeah I was actually legit grateful for that moment as it happened like bless these two for being on the same page of "oh god I need some jokes right now lets divert into absurd WWE nonsense"
"what level of pain, would you allow your family to go through if the alternative is they die?" this is the worst question I think that has ever been asked.
its easy to say what youd do without ever having been in their shoes, but if it were me? the second tommy showed up id have went out, bought a gun and put my whole family down. especially knowing what he knew about tommy. you have to be some kind of monster to allow your family to go through that when you know what the results are going to be, having been through it yourself.
@@shadehawk I feel like people can still have a life after surviving abuse. I get wanting to spare their suffering but the idea that survivors of abuse would be better off dead is way too fatalistic to me.
@@HisNameWasCrazy True. And clearly Tommy's victims do, to some extent, get a life afterwards. Both the dad, and the mom, were able to move on. (Much to their detriment ironically, as they seemingly didn't take their abuse serious enough in not passing it down t otheir kids.) And their kids have also become fully grown adults, with the daughter (again unfortunately), having kids of her own. I can understand the dilemma here, give the people you love 5 straight years of absolute hell, if, in exchange, they have the chance at a normal life. Or put them out of their suffering all together. (Or the by far best option of all, *don't have kids* )
Also, “just sell her into it?” Just? Are we being fucking for real? That’s not as bad as cowering in front of the immortal demon who killed your father in front of you and abused you as a child?
I guess they did not read part V [SPOILER] In part V Sam, now a heroin addict, reunites with Kimber, they both go back to the city to take Borrasca down There they confront Sam's dad, since he became the guy who runs Borrasca. Sam does question his dad about what he did to his sister... Part V is really good but it's more like a thriller.
You guys skipped over the part of the text that says: "I realized now that despite all the awful things Tommy was doing, my father's submission was keeping us alive. His agonized silence kept Tommy's wrath at bay." Even without that having been made explicit, there is plenty that implies that the father was only not more confrontational because he believed that the consequence would have been his family being punished for it. It's also possible that the parents didn't realise that Tommy would show up if they had kids until he actually did. Tommy's statement to the father as a child may not have registered with him to mean that he would come back, as he did act shocked by it. "This can't happen... not again." And he only understood the nature of it after the fact. Also, the father in Borrasca is *way* worse than this one. That father didn't just allow what happened to his daughter, he was her actual abuser. He's essentially on the same moral level as Tommy. And even if that weren't the case he would still have been enabling her abuse when he had other options. Whereas the father in this story is in a hostage situation where the gun is also being pointed at his family.
That and also killing yourself in some sort of act of defiance leaves your kids and spouse still alone with a monster, even if you can’t prevent it, it’s still a type of abandonment
@@Hannah-fe4yf I was just about to type this, it felt like they were actively ignoring the concept of "Even if I die trying to protect myself Tommy is still going to exist and he's still going to fuck with my family" I GET the emotional appeal of acting despite that, but like I don't fault the father for his actions. I can't even say he's a demon or evil. Sure the moral or heroic thing to have done would have been to die for family, but at the same time Tommy always comes back and without you there to help easy things, they might just get more abused than they would normally
@@At1u5yeah, it really felt like neither of them wanted to take the new information from the dad into consideration and just continue to be mad at him. I mean fair, he shouldn’t have had kids and should’ve told his daughter not to, but like…everything else was understandable even if it was frustratingly sad.
No, if Tommy Taffy was truly a youth pastor he would have proposed to the sister on her 18th birthday and then made a public social media post about how God brought the two of them together.
can we also call the kid and the monster hunter detective from the basement creature one? they'd show up behind tommy and make him say "welp... they're right behind me, aren't they?"
The father from Barasca is WAY worse. He didn’t just sell her int slavery, he fathered the last baby his daughter had before tossing her in the Shiny Gentleman. Actual monster
He fathered every child she had. That's why they all kept coming out as poor quality/malformed. Cause he didn't want anyone else to touch what was his. Horrible cretin.
@@keks3072 a lot of crazy stuff happens here got a painting commissioned of his daughter as well I won’t go any more further cause they might go back but I highly recommend you listen to the borasca audio drama if you want
You guys missed the biggest thing about Borrasca. The dad didn’t just ‘sell out’ Whitney, he was the one Borrasca-ing her. That’s why she was ‘putting out sh!t babies’ and why her babies had names starting with W. Her dad, the new sheriff, was an active participant.
Thing is borasca's grape room thing was a total rip off of helix season 2 episode 10 mother. which came out a little bit before the story was released.
That hunter and Wendi seem to also think that's what the story is about is so devastatingly disappointing. I know Isaiah is from Appalachia but shit our schools are supposed to teach people what an allegory is
@@hillbillypowpowso true. I got irritated at several points when it seemed obvious and they didn’t get it. You’re a retard for slighting Appalachia like that tho. You’d die from two shots of what I drank when I was 16 little nigga
I read someone on Reddit say he's the embodiment of domestic abuse, with him having this uncannily "perfect", smooth façade because abusers spend a lot of time rehearsing their public persona, to the point it feels unnatural and saccharine (like taffy). Makes sense when you think about how generational trauma can stick with a family for a long time and gets passed down to the kids and their kids, long after the original abuser's death. That's why Tommy Taffy is immortal. He will exist until people break the cycle. EDIT: 30 mins in and they figured it out lmao
He is that relative or family friend that gets too close to children. The story being in the pov of when they were children really makes you feel helpless. While adults could maybe stop it, when you're a child and your parents don't do or can't do anything you feel so helpless. Still hate the explicit stuff, I really don't think it's necessary
@@Has-uo1lq As someone with a background involving a similar experience, I think it's an extremely effective story when it comes to that. As far as the explicit stuff, I don't think it needed to go THAT far, but I also admire having enough of a spine to want to actually push boarders and make people uncomfortable. Because the reality of that sort of situation isn't nice and clean and "implicit" either. Telling people our real-life experiences makes them uncomfortable so we keep it to ourselves, so hearing so many people be like "ew stop too much, this story is the worst!" is honestly more "triggering" than the actual contents of the story.
I feel like this story could've been perfect if it wasn't unnecessarily graphic. Like penpal for example is awful. it's story sickens and disturbs, but it leaves stuff up to the imagination. while Taffy tommy just keeps going on and on with detail. Good horror makes you dwell on implications, Taffy tommy gives you the answers in the most (for lack of a better term) annoying and disrespecting way
Releasing this on Father’s Day is straight up psychological warfare. Also I am once again requesting Stolen Tongues. It is creepy, fun, pretty well written, and there are no kids involved.
Its genuinely the only horror story that I've read that has scared me, the descriptions are so intense and perfectly awful. I really think Hunter would like it because he said before he didn't know what a Skinwalker was
We need a cleanser story. “My property isn’t normal” is my recommendation. It’s a good story with genuine intrigue but is also more comedic. And not in the poorly written so bad it’s good. Like it’s genuinely a funny read and I know MeatCanyon would have a blast voicing the characters.
They need to vet the stories they read instead of just blindly going into them. Even if they don't read it themselves, get a third person to read submissions if neither of them know it and give a synopsis so they know if they want to bother.
I think this story symbolizes the loss of innocence by a "relative" and the parents doing nothing out of fear of the consequences. Pretending nothing is happening, hoping for the problem to just go away, thus allowing the worst to happen.
As awful as the father is imo for standing by, it makes sense with the abuse allegory. The amount of adults out there who are aware child abuse is going on, but choose to do nothing and ignore it because they "don't want to cause drama" or whatever messed up excuse they use is depressingly high.
@@Simply_Americanno not really. At least not in my experience. It varies church to church. Like I knew people who had nuns as Sunday school teachers while others had just average people.
@@TheRunaway115Difference in my church anyway was if you were just a teacher it meant ya taught one 30 minute class before worship and the actual pastors would not only teach a class but run the events and go on all the trips and were actually considered staff while the casual teachers were volunteering
The funniest part is that Isaiah understood what he meant IMMEDIATELY. As did I think everyone. The 20-30 something dude in khakis and a t-shit with a plastered smile DESPRATELY trying to be "hip with Jesus".
Definitely a lot of misinterpretation with this one. Borrasca Dad is infinitely worse than the dad of this story, one is a victim reliving trauma trying to do damage control and the other one fathered his own daughters children.
i think metaphorically the father is committing "tommy taffy". you are supposed to hate him. the story is feels metaphorically speaking on the duel nature of growing up with a family where abuse has occurred.
Dude my trauma from borrasca is just getting worse with this one. I couldn't finish the story. As soon as I hered them describe the stables I frantically turned off my xbox as fast as I could
Seeing the prequel, I think the reason the dad didn't go out like his father did was because he didn't want to leave his wife and children alone. He watched his mother become a shell of herself and have to sleep with Tommy. And he didn't want to make his wife suffer that fate.His father's death severed only to make Spence and his mother suffer MORE with his absence. In my opinion, dying for no purpose is more cowardly than having to suffer through the knowledge you have to sit back and do nothing because you can't.
How do you think Kyle would respond to Tommy taffy? Kyle: yo Kimber, why the fuck does this dude look like a ken doll? Also Do you want some meat and cheese outta this charcuterie board I brought? Sam off in the distance: ASK HIM IF HE KNOWS ABOUT THE SKINNED MEN
The fact that tommy is a walking talking doll aswell brings into mind the technique therapists use to discuss childhood trauma. The whole "point at the doll where it touched you" thing
I think criticisms of the parent’s character and Tommy as a monster are fair when reading the story literally - but I don’t think it should be analyzed literally; more as a fable. Tommy is generational SA. It’s purposeless, senseless, unkillable, and pervasive. It’s a secret you can’t tell anyone lest you bring shame to yourself and your family. It comes in the form of trusted authority, then “teaches” you cruelty while your abuser hypocritically preaches about kindness. I think giving him more depth and purpose would’ve been detrimental to making him an allegory for a social force. And the parents choosing to bring more children into the world despite what horrors they have faced is, too, a common reality for abuse survivors. As adolescents and young adults, they’ll say they never want to bring anyone into this world to possibly face what happened to them even fractionally. Then they end up still having kids, impulsively and selfishly, and the cycle continues. Sometimes even by their own hand. And if someone else harms their kid, they’re often so embittered by the world or inverted by the thought of trauma that they stand by, allow it to happen. Say “it will be over soon”, “this is just part of life”, “this is our new normal”. Human fallibility and fear means the cycle will continue in reality just as it does in the story. Outside of the explicit scene I really don’t think anything should be changed in this story in order to keep that allegory in tact. It’s not a perfect story but I think as a monsterfication of SA it is HIGHLY effective and thorough.
Shutting down is a common trauma response and can happen in scenarios where people with PTSD have to relive past memories. It’s understandable how Matt’s dad acted, but definitely doesn’t make him very likable as a character, for sure.
As a CSA Survivor, the explicit nature of the Tommy Taffy story is what makes it so powerful to me. I understand the content is upsetting to those that haven't experienced it, but it's something that shaped my life at a fundamental level and sometimes it can feel like you cannot discuss the truth of what happened to you to spare others the discomfort. You can really tell the author is a survivor themselves. The whole story has a clear note of honestly and raw catharsis to it that soothes me.
I completely agree. This kind of abuse is horrific and disgusting, but I felt kind of offended when they both acted like the writing went "too graphic" during the abuse scenes. No one has to read things like that, and I don't want anyone to read graphic abuse if they don't want to or can't handle it, but abuse itself is graphic. Speaking as another CSA survivor, you don't get to just fade tastefully to black or remember your own abuse as implied, you are there in that situation and you get to experience every bit of hurt and every sensation that's inflicted on you. It's not "too graphic" when this is just someone's reality. And I really wish they used it to empathize more with victims of this kind of monstrous treatment.
I agree. I think it's a part of Isaiah's Christian upbringing and how that makes him so uncomfortable talking about sexual things. In one of his videos he explains how his parents let him watch extreme violent shows/movies as a kid but would skip through anything sexual. I'm glad the story was able to soothe you. I think a lot of people who haven't experienced these types of things couldn't understand that. Also I hope you've been able to heal from your experiences
@sidneypowelstock6812 If you notice, it wasn't just Isiah being uncomfortable. The point of those stories generally, is to elicit horror, dread, and fear for the excitement of those emotions. The scenes they skipped over don't elicit those emotions. In most people, just disgust and rage. Along with anger at the uselessness of the neighborhood, and the weakness of the father character, it weakens the story as a horror piece.
@@apollyon23456 I agree that it weakens the piece of writing as a horror story. I think it's more than that though. Like in Feed The Pig by the same author, Isaiah and Hunter praise the story's use of disturbing and viscerally uncomfortable descriptions. I'm not gonna try to analyze the purpose of each text but both of them sacrifice the ability to incite dread in favor of intense uncomfortable detail. It's a choice. It's not the choice I would make personally but it seems intentional
Yeah. It's natural to be revolted by it, but worth remembering that real people experience things like this. Those people didn't get to turn away and not look because it was grotesque and horrible.
So I think the whole thing is pretty obviously an analogy for molestation, but I think it's specifically molestation from a trusted family friend or member. The idea of Tommy becoming a 3rd parent to raise the kid is like an uncle or grandfather being very close to the child, helping the parents raise them. The whole reason why the lessons from Tommy are actually straightforward and not spreading misinformation is because real life child predators do that. They act moral and give proper advice, then behind closed doors they commit horrible acts to children. The whole "lesson" that Tommy teaches about what love "truly is" reminds me of excuses that manipulators use: "I love you, that's why I'm doing this, this is how you show people you really love them." It's a tactic to manipulate their victims into thinking their actions are acceptable. The whole thing with the parents constantly convincing the kids that Tommy is a good person also reminds me of parents turning blind eyes to their own family members, saying "He could never do that, he's my brother/father/etc." The overly explicit scene also reminds me of stories I've heard where a kid is beginning to go through puberty, and a family member uses that to molest them: in fact, I wonder if the writer was a victim of sexual abuse themselves, and that's why they made those particular scenes so explicit (it's only ever a male character that has an explicit scene). The father being traumatized by Tommy but still having kids and exposing them to those horrific things is essentially what happens to some victims of abuse too, where they become the very monster that hurt them in the first place. The entire story and the events that happen are all allegories for real life family members or loved ones that prey on their own family: they come with smiling faces, happy laughs, seemingly good intentions, but in reality they're horrible monsters that twist families into broken people, creating generational trauma. Edit: Just to add some more stuff that came to me... I think it's also important to note that Tommy leaves RIGHT when the MC learns to hate Tommy's "love," essentially growing to an age where they can finally resist their manipulation, and so they no longer prey on them.
Oh yeah, I think this is what creepcast totally missed!! There doesn't need to be a goal or anything with Tommy caressing hair, touching shoulders, getting close to the children. THAT is creepy enough, especially when it comes to children living that reality. As a survivor myself, all of the little touches, the parents just letting it happen in most cases AND having Tommy live with them is exactly how molestation begins and ends. Or how generational trauma continues. As for the explicitness of "that" scene, yes, its absolutely horrifying and seems like snuff to people who have never gotten SA'd before. It was refreshing for me to see a writer not glossing over what happened. Of course we don't need details written out like a raunchy romance novel, but the dialogue is what is needed. The coersiveness and complete disregard for boundaries from Tommy and a poor child who has no sense of boundaries is what makes that scene horrifyingly true to SA events. Children don't know boundaries of their own body until someone teaches them, right or wrong. From my experience, you have this "icky" feeling that its wrong, but you also are still at the age where every adult, especially FAMILY adults, in your life are always right. You are afraid to tell them no, you are afraid to tell them the truth, you are afraid. Especially after seeing/hearing Tommy abuse others in your family. I'm only at the 1hr 16min mark of this video and what I wrote and the OPs comment is EXACTLY what creepcast completely missed. "I think there needs to be more to his character than being a creep". Thats EXACTLY how family members begin with molesations. Pushing boundaries by initially caressing the hair, lingering hand on the shoulder, pressing bodies together, etc etc. Family members that commit this atrocities to children know that they can do these "gentle" touches in public and in front of the parents because ruffling up a child's hair or touching their shoulder or holding their hand or sitting on laps can be a completely innocent action. You push boundaries in front of other adults so that you can go deeper with this control behind closed doors. THAT is what makes Tommy insanely horrifying because of this pattern of abuse can and does happen in plain sight.
This comment is 100% underrated!!! This is exactly what I got from the story, take out the supernatural elements and it sounds JUST like your typical family creep who is also beloved and protected by the rest of the family, truly sickening stuff.
I know theres a lot of people who are SA and CSA survivors who are saying that they actually prefer to have it detailed - but as one myself, my opinion is heavily different. I think there are very effective ways to make people uncomfortable and understand what happened. I hate in movies, books, anything, where there is just straight up snuff level scenes of abuse. I understand the argument of "But its supposed to make you uncomfortable" - but something like hearing his sister screaming and the bed moving and the aftermath of seeing blood on her legs or her personality changing - THAT should be enough to make any sane person uncomfortable. THAT should be enough to make people straight up feel ill. In my opinion, its unnecessary, but I can respect other victims opinions on these types of scenes too.
Literally some of the ways it’s described come off more like a creeps fantasy and not a “harsh reality” of abuse. There are ways to give gruesome detail without making it sound like a fanfiction.
i feel exactly the same; i dont think it adds anything to the narrative and it feels like it is done for shock purposes (which is completely fine to add but still a cheap trick to disturb others). i genuinely wonder what the point of writing this is if it's actually just a supernatural being that predates on children. reading this at some points (like someone else commented) came off as someone's messed up fantasy, instead of a proper tale of abuse.
@@47tuc I felt a similar feeling about wondering what the actual undertones the author had on not only this but The Playground. If you don’t know about it, big TW for a LOT unnecessary themes. It felt like extreme child abuse for the sake of child abuse. The excuses I hear of “Well it makes you root for the villains death”. And of course it would, but no one should need to see or read incredibly graphic scenes to get to that point. I feel like there’s too much desensitisation for some people who seek the thrills of horror, and those some people go too far, become desensitised, and then believe that avoiding those scenes just doesn’t make good horror. Which is concerning. I also feel like some victims, as would be expected, are desensitised to these themes instead of the other few who get triggered by them, and to them these scenes aren’t a big deal, which could reflect their own stance and mental health with their own personal situation. And those are the kinda audience the authors write stories for because they feel like they can get away with sick fantasies for crowds that actually just need comfort and help.
I definitely dont share the same opinion but can see why people do honestly. To me personally i prefer when stories are detailed with these things. I want it to leave me disturbed because shockingly it makes me want to be a better person. The mental image of what could be in depraved moments like this is haunting and the worst part is that it could realistically happen. It makes me give more of a fuck to people who unfortunately had to go through such things. I think it could be the authors sick fantasy but i dont know this author and am not going to speak on the behalf of them assume things about them. (something way too many people have gotten comfortable doing to lend credence to their own opinions which honestly just makes them look bad.) but as far as im concerned its effective it makes me sick and it makes me hate this heinous acts even more. But thats just me. I PREFER things to be descriptive. Which btw, dont put words in my mouth. Preferring descriptive things isnt me saying i like reading horrible deeds being done onto someone, please dont be that person. But all that aside id say it did its thing. Not being able to do anything against something so benevolent and being traumatised to do literally anything.. Yeah it definitely disturbed me. The concept definitely works being.. Well, horrifying.
@FemboyJoe I wasn't going put any words in your mouth, it's OK ♡ I appreciate you sharing your outlook and opinion on these types of stories and graphic scenes. Its important that everyone can get their view across without argument and with understanding. Even if I can't fully wrap my head around someone else's perspective on something for personal reasons, it doesn't mean I'm not open to hear their own thoughts, feelings, and journey with the way they perceive things. I find the way people think about and view things differently to others interesting. I know it's the internet so people have gone after everyone's opinions before with malice, but it's not the goal here with my comment. And I'm glad you shared your view
I want a TV show of Kyle and apollo It's mainly what I think of when Im watching creep cast The shenanigans of Kyle and the quips of Apollo my two favorite
Kyle: Yo, I GOT COOKIES WHO WANTS ONE??. Tommy explodes and fucking dies, Kyle jumps in the air while ocean man plays and freeze frames on Kyle, The end.
something i think you’re missing that the dad said, if you disobey someone ELSE gets punished. so if the parents push back harder, Tommy could just further abuse the kids. you’re taking their lives into your hands not your own
The mom protested and the daughter had him in her room... Grandpa was killed and then grandma got to live that every night... It's also a special kind of torture to have to live in this situation as a father and not do anything about this monster hurting your wife and children. There's no winning
@@joshisdriven Winning is not risking it by having kids in the first place. They basically cursed their children knowingly, because there is no way I'm ever having kids after the supernatural immortal child and women abuser entity was present in my life. I think I'll avoid getting married also, just in case to not put other people in danger. So, fuck the parents.
@@joshisdriven Winning is not having kids in the first place. They basically cursed innocent by being honestly stupid. Like, if i had an encounter with an immortal demon pervert of this variety, not only would i not risk having children, I'd even not marry anyone just in case, because i might put people in danger.
They're literally calling the dad a little bitch as if they know how they'd react in that situation. I've experienced fight or flight before. We can pretend all day like we'd make the "noble sacrifice" or that we'd do the right thing, but at the end of the day, put yourself in this situation and tell me you actually would kill yourself to save your family with a straight face. You wouldn't know, because you haven't been in that situation and most likely never will. Hell, back when I was in highschool I met kids who said with 100% confidence that they'd take on a school shooter. Meanwhile, armed and trained police officers won't even fucking do that.
I think the main reason the father didn't try to do anything to stop Tommy wasn't so much that he was a coward and refuse to go against Tommy, I believe he knew he would die and nothing would change and it would continue after his death just like what happened to his dad. That being said even if it's hard not to, having kids KNOWING Tommy would come back is super irresponsible but if he truly (somehow) didn't understand what Tommy meant when he said "your little ones will get 5 years too" it's a bit harder to fully blame him.
"We're reading Borrasca." "We've already read it." "Yes, but what about Second Borrasca?" Ironically, knowing the author is actually a CSA victim and clearly drawing on real world experiences (tragically), I kind of find Borrasca to be the more exploitative story. Especially when the main point is just to be a twist in a "supernatural red herring" story vs. this where it's actually part of the whole allegory of the plot.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed. For those trying to find where it was implied; Remember the naming convention that they used for the children? What was the name of the baby that was born at the end? And who was close to delivering a baby in the mine? Wild story eh?
Man, Kyle would’ve fought to his death to stop this funko pop demon. I know we all already know Kyle’s the goat but shout out to Kyle. We need a Kyle in every story, being oblivious to social cues but fighting tooth and nail for those he loves.
“Some things are just left dead in the past.” is a line that struck me square in the chest as a CSA survivor with repressed memories. I remember the build up to the SA as if it were yesterday, can feel the air conditioner on my skin and smell the cheapness of the playdough for the fake cookies I’d made that my abuser used to manipulate me… then I remember sirens, and the flashing red and blue. That’s it. Sometimes when it’s near that time of the year, though, I get extremely depressed for reasons I logically KNOW, but can’t truly understand. As frustrating as having your memories blocked out is, though… I’m grateful I don’t recall it at all. Speaking with other survivors who had a similar experience, but their memories were triggered and brought back to mind, really put it into perspective how this was a silver lining for me and I was extremely blessed in my traumas. Not saying that I’m blessed to have gone through trauma, only that I’m blessed in how it all turned out. There are real life horror stories out there of folks not nearly as fortunate as myself or others.
@@katyo5578 Me too, but tommy would probably go to prison. He's been around at least since the 60s, if it's decided he's a man and not a thing. He wouldn't be there for long, though.
You don’t speak for us Meat. We still hate the dad from Borrasca more. He didn’t just sell his daughter, he had a shrine to her, was obsessed, sold her BECAUSE he could then abuse her. He is a mixture of this dad and Tommy. 1000 times worse.
I mean there’s a certain evil I can see that makes him worse. Like Sam’s dad is malicious and destructive and sadistic, but Dad here is actively allowing evil to occur to his wife and kids because he’s a coward. He’s permissive of it. Like while Borrasca dad committed to doing evil, Taffy dad actively knew the evil was coming, going to happen, and then allowed it to happen uncontested.
I'm not saying it's right, just saying he did what he wanted no matter how insane/dangerous. This guy barely objected to his family's torture and destruction.
@@Soy_boi I think it has to do with how visceral the writing one in this is, vs borrasca which was like "Scooby doo mystery" and then drops the villain speech, shock corn yada yada.
I don't think the dad in borrasca did it for the soul purpose of doing stuff to his daughter though. Not to justify it but he did it to become sheriff, impregnating his own daughter against her will was just part of it.
I feel like someone needs to explain to Meat what the term snuff means, because it seems like he uses it in place of smut, and they're not the same thing xD
Lol, I love that Kyle is the "comfort character" he had one of the saddest endings but all we remember him for is that hilarious funeral shit that didn't actually happen hahhahhaa.
@@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf Nah, they said this guy is more annoying which is true. He literally got it spelt out for him and still chose to inflict this torment on children.
@@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf Wait, you mean using your own daughter as a baby factory is worse than being too psychologically crippled by years of csa at the hands of a literal monster to (pointlessly die trying to) save your children from that same monster?
@@anitaremenarova6662 you’re right, they didn’t say worse. They did however say “on the same level of evil” and that they hated him more. Which is still just as ridiculous to me.
@@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolfhe had children knowing tommy would come, its practically as if he'd be bringing children into the world just to get molested. So yeah id say not as bad but on the same level of evil
Honestly I think Wendi saying that there needs to be a "final swoop" or finality like a brand at the end entirely misses the point. As for the brand, Tommy already left his mark mentally. Matt's life is forever changed to the point he refuses to get into a relationship and experience love so that he's "never tempted" to have kids. Similar to SA victims, they don't have some special mark or sign that they've been through that experience. It leaves mental scars, but unless the predator does something to physically hurt them, there are no other indicators. Furthermore, the anti-climatic finish is a lot like was SA victims go through too, if the perpetrator is never caught. They come in, destroy their lives, and go on their merry way, assuming they aren't caught/have to live around them. There's no big finish or anything, just that they're there one moment then gone, leaving you with nigh irreversable damage.
@@ceruvelt8073 I mean, outside of the way they talked about the dad, I felt it was done rather well. Having read it, I don't think some of the stuff they left out was NEARLY as bad as they led on. They made it sound like it turned into a borderline snuff film when in reality it just showed the ugliness of CSA without prioritizing "reader comfort" over conveying its message. Spence and Matt didn't get to have the luxury of things being "ambiguous" and "implicit", and neither do any real-world CSA victims. Still, their lack of empathy for spence (and even omission of Matt empathizing with his father after that night) is all really REALLY unfair and kind of shows they don't fully get the severity and impact of CSA, let alone what happened to his father. Not only does he know what would happen if he retaliated and what Tommy would do to his wife and children afterwards, but Tommy is also HIS abuser, and after both things that happened to him in childhood he almost certainly experiences a sort of regression to the state of a helpless child around him. Which also explains why the author notes how shy and soft spoken his dad is even before Tommy shows up.
@@ceruvelt8073"And the explicit CSA scene was written and structured like a typical pornhub video, and they didn't seem to understand how gross that part was? They only said it was unnecessary, and I have no idea how you can't talk about that. That's honestly pretty suspicious" ??? Idk what you're trying to imply, but I don't like it. I mean, you can go read it. I think the "Cornhub" comment came from the words used in Spence's scene, and yeah it was a bit jarringly profane. Moreso that the writer continued to use the F-word after Tommy said it instead of describing it in a less crass way. Imagineing a like dude in is mid 50s discussing CSA trauma and saying "I had heard of F***ing from kids at school" was admittedly a bit weird and borderline silly. But the actual contents are more just really depressing and gross than explicit. However, yeah, the way they described it I though it was gonna be WAY more extreme before I read it. Especially when they said it seemed to be mainly for shock value (which it wasn't).
@warbossgegguz679 I'm meaning the scene read like some weird fanfiction, not like horror because it wasn't shown how badly it affects the protagonist mentally, and it doesn't get brought up again in the story. I know that's not the intention, but it makes it nauseating to read because it's framed wrong. I just wish the both of them pointed that out more. They just said it was "unnecessary"
I fell asleep while listening to this and woke up to Hunter and Isaiah screaming and saying "DON'T READ THAT QUOTE NO!" now I'm really curious but I have to start again 😭
On the topic of worst character, it is, with no doubt in my mind, the father from borrasca. The implication is that he WAS the one violating his OWN DAUGHTER and sold her into that situation. This father sucks, but it isn't any contest
Agreed. Considering her kid's (that was given to that shopowner)name started with W and the first names usually start the same as their father's, it's def him who was violating her, most likely keeping her as his private pet. I don't think you can do worse than that as a father.
Not that it makes a difference but it wasnt his daughter exactly since no one in borrasca could have children right? He was a very evil equivalenr of a farmer raising lambs for slaughter
This is really what frustrates me about these two silly gooses. Spence doesnt even touch Borasca dad level of evil. Spence is just negligent and then wanted to protect his wife from the same fate that his mother did, and not allow his kids to grow up without a dad.
@yoshikagekira1719 I think they're about on par with each other. They both knowingly made choices that directly harmed their children. Like bro, how can you have kids KNOWING what they're going to experience. It's awful
@@yoshikagekira1719 Well to be fair, my parents knew they had generational trauma and genetic conditions that would likely be passed down to their kids, and still had kids anyways. The story is a depiction of something similar. People will likely have kids, despite knowing the terrible outcomes that could occur. Humans are silly creatures, we like to wish for the best, despite knowing the risks that are more likely to occur.
You gotta admit, an AU where the neighborhood from the prequel just turns into a warzone every 2 weeks when Tommy's respawn time is up would be hilarious.
@@kyngslinn 'hey Hun, it's a Tommy day tomorrow right?' 'No sweetie, the Smiths from number 5 got him with their minefield remember?, he's coming back in a couple weeks.' 'ohh you're right, you're right. Remind me to thank them for that when we see them next'
@@kyngslinnhonestly if you made it into some kind of story where he returns and they kill him like a ritual every time, but somehow he convinces a kid that he’s good and breaks the cycle of him being killed every time he returns
Its so bittersweet that you guys think the father from borrasca only sold his daughter, he was an active participant in her suffering, its implied that the father was the one she was forced to have a baby with, as the babies name starts with a W, meaning it was the main characters father that helped make the child, but its also implied that she was the mother as yhe daughter was the only pregnant female character that was emphasized
And he did it REPEATEDLY, since it's clearly stated she was only his, and that the babies came out all wrong. And there was no supernatural threat. No immortal demon made him do that to Whitney. He just wanted to.
A lot of people are saying this in the comments, and while it was kinda blatantly said less than implied, all of that came from part 2, which I don't think they've read. The first part only says that he sold Whitney and allowed her to be abused
Tommy reminds me of *The Judge* from _Blood Meridian,_ not sure if this is intentional but the parallels of a seemingly timeless entity, that is uncanny in appearance capable of switching in and out of "teacher of life" to horrible, overbearing, unstopping predator with a horrible draw towards children that never goes away over the years is a type of horror that I can't get over.
I think having Tommy come and go with no purpose and no mark is a good way to portray abuse. It happened and now it’s over. It just happens to you and then time keeps moving
To cleanse the palate with some good, classic, spooky cabin in the woods story, please do “Stolen Tongues” AKA “Romantic cabin getaway with my fiancee” next!
@@AlessaParker we’ve been waiting so long. This is one of nosleep’s classics like Borrasca or Penpal (not saying it’s as good as those but for sure as much of a classic within the community). Super surprised none of the boys even mentioned it yet.
I think one big thing that CreepCast missed here is what happened to the grandmother, post the grandfathers sacrifice. Like yes, the father in the story should have never had kids after the sacrifice, sure, but they keep saying he should go out like a man and try to kill this literally unkillable monster, ignoring what would happen to his wife. We watched the Grandmother turn into a shell of herself, hollowed out and forced to sleep in this bed beside this monster that likely did unspeakable things to her, if the crying is anything to go off of, and that's a fate infinitely worse than death, but an actual death clearly makes it worse for those who are left. The father dying a futile death doesn't solve anything at all, and we can see that the mother in that story at least walked away in a better condition than the grandmother did, since this is such an unavoidable fate regardless of actions taken, and if both parents died useless deaths there's no telling what would happen to the kids. Again, should've never had kids, and that's the part that makes him super hateable. But as a monster who is built on the idea of generational trauma, it's also hard to tell an entire neighborhood to just never reproduce or marry for fear of an accidental pregnancy. I think the story would've worked better if the parents tried to game the system and adopt, because it at least gives a level of plausible deniability, and then his actions could've been from the trauma and remorse, wanting to avert the worst parts of his parents, and his own, fates by giving into the monsters every demand. Very excited to see the next part, and hopefully the author learned from audience feedback, because he nearly had the perfect formula, if he just would've cut a few very unnecessary scenes out.
Might be a weird comparison, but it reminds me of a scene from the anime Vinland Saga S2 where the deuteragonist's mother and sister are killed by slave traders and he has to bite back his desire to fight back and take revenge at the cost of his own life, because he ultimately understands that his family would have wanted him to live, and wouldn't have gained anything from such a "sacrifice"
Yeah they definitely missed the mark a little bit. There were so many takes that were built upon surface level emotions and for the dad to just "be a man" and die for no reason lmao.
@@ForeHead.I don't see this at all. He literally let that horrific thing happen to his wife instead of just killing tommy and preparing for whenever he comes back. He let his wife, daughter and son get sexually abused because he was too scared to do anything. He's a coward
@xrphoenix7194 fighting back against tommy does nothing but ensure his own death and make the lives of his family worse. Idk how you cant understand that.
@@xrphoenix7194 You literally can't do anything, and that's the point of the story. He watched his father be all but crucified in the front yard for his attempt, they literally shot him in the head, which reminder did nothing at all, then burned him alive, and he still came back to make it worse on the community. You have an immortal entity, that can be in many places at the same time, with super human strength that an average grown man can't seemingly overcome, and a temper that easily flares, terrorizing your family. If you die to him, your wife is immediately subjected to a much worse fate than she would have been, over a much longer period of time, much more consistently. There's nothing you can do. It's such a tough situation, and the only quick way out is for you all to die. A lot of horror movies recently have really created an audience that believe any force can be defeated, as if the father could just get a cross to run him off, or go ask a priest with a shotgun to deal with the problem, but this is a problem that can't be dealt with conventionally, or seemingly at all. If you have a solution to defeat the immortal, feel free to suggest it, but at the point in the story we're in there's nothing the father can do, as he can't even physically stop this guy through any readily available means.
TW: CSA ! as a kid, my mom was dating someone who was a tommy taffy. it’s not easy to stand up for yourself in those situations, let alone when you are a child. when you’re to do as told, you do it. when you feel like you are to tear apart an entire family if anyone were to find out, you stay quiet. how could i break my moms heart? my dad would kill him for sure, all the kids @ school would judge me, etc… but. i told my mom. I was able to tell her the truth, and he left. (truly lucky i was able to get justice btw) i remember one night she told me the same thing happened to her as a kid, and she never told a soul. my heart still breaks to hear this but i’m just proud to say that her and i were able to break some generational trauma together. FUCK TOMMY TAFFY
Ugh, I feel and HATE that! My dad was the victim of a Catholic priest in a foster home, so when I was SA’d as a child, it reopened infected wounds for him…. For my mom, as well, it would seem, though she would reveal that truth to me when I was much older… I felt bad for feeling rage on her behalf, but that’s my kind, lovely mom! I can’t imagine anyone harming her in such a way! Either way, good on you for being such a good daughter! YOU didn’t ruin anything, your abuser did!
@@Yaktobseriously disgusting reply. this person is sharing a vulnerable experience to them in a relevant video, contributing to the discussion. internalising things is always worse then speaking about them, whether batman is there or not...
57:18 the dad from Borrasca participated in it. That’s why the sister’s kid’s name was William and that’s why the kid had birth defects. It’s also confirmed in the fifth part.
@@napoleontheafromite I don’t think it was protection as much as he wanted to be the only one that “had” her ever. Which is quite frankly even more revolting to think of
@@mariaposs7019 Oh for sure, I definitely agree it's more of a selfish thing. I'm mainly going off a memory of there being a line in the story somewhere that mentions "protecting her" or "knowing she'll be treated right" or something like that. I could be wrong though.
@@daddykratos-8You’re quite simply conflating an issue with vocabulary with one of morals. It’s not up to you to decide someone else’s morals and religious beliefs. I find it hilarious a random TH-camr lives rent free in your head over something so mundane.
@@chilledburrito Nope, it doesn't make sense. If you think the word "fuck" is morally wrong but not telling someone to kill themselves then you're just a fucking idiot. Wendigoon doesn't live rent free in my head, I watched a video with him in it then had a thought about said video. There's a reason the comments section exists on videos.. So people can talk about it. Try to think harder next time before you say something retarded.
@@Abysalss Christians believe in forgiveness and are often very anti s*icide, so though I still like Isaiah, it did feel very hypocritical and honestly insensitive to say something so horrible. Like the whole thing of Christianity is about second chances and not judging others as that is supposed to be left for God. It just seems like he is picking and chooses which parts to take seriously, which is questionable. I am not Christian, so I will gladly judge him for doing this haha
I think that a good chunk of us, in the audience, have been victims of some sort of CSA and that you two reading stories like these unconsciously helps us cope. Like, you guys are a safe space, and it's soothing and validating (at least for me) to see you have the reaction I wish the adults around me would've had at the time. I could be totally wrong, but that's why I think we keep suggesting those stories.
I need to admit something about myself, I used to scroll through ruke 34 and e621. I eventually stopped because I would see someone make a sick and twisted story like this for them to get their rocks off to. Stuff like this is what made me stop my addiction, so for people like you to call something like this anything remotely similar to "therapy" is just sickening. You need real therapy, not borderline CP.
There are two things that would have really, really made this story shine, for me. 1. I wish Spencer, the dad, had focused more on the pain of not having his father around during Tommy’s first reign. I think it would’ve added a lot of nuance to how he won’t sacrifice himself for his kids - “How could I be so selfish as to deprive my kids of a father, just so I could feel like a hero?” Even if you don’t agree with that logic, having Spencer clearly remember his grief - anger, maybe - at not having his dad around would have made his mindset much more understandable. 2. In the first part, it would be cool if Matt(?), the son, had said his thoughts about his dad’s decision to have children. If his dad never had children, after all, Matt would never get to exist. I mean, that’s actually an interesting question: Does the miracle of getting to exist outweigh those five years of suffering? Is life worth that? That would be such an interesting question for the story to pose. Perhaps the dad even thought that way: “Tommy may come for my children, but I think it will be worth it, because my kids will get to experience life.” Again, you totally don’t have to agree with that, but it would have been way better than simply having the dad be a colossal dumbass. Edit: I haven’t read the other two parts, by the way. Maybe they bring this up! Who knows!
These are really good points, and I just finished reading the other two parts and regretfully must inform you that they were not touched on at all lol (save for Matt like, barely musing on his fathers choice)
That first point is extremely compelling. What’s worse - An absent father that died trying to protect you when he knew it was hopeless? Or a father that complies and stands by, but is still *there* to be a father figure and so Tommy isn’t *sleeping in your mother’s bed*? Honestly, of the two evils, I’d probably pick the latter and say the father is justified for trying to play along. Now obviously this is all ignoring the fact he shouldn’t have had kids in the first place and it’s a question that never should have had to be asked imo, but nonetheless it’s very interesting.
Damn good point man, both of them. You changed my mind on both subjects. The story would benefit alot from these as well as Goon and Meat's idea of cutting out the CSA being spoon fed to the reader.
I think it would have been better if Taffy never said "Your little ones ill get 5 years as well". Then the dad could only put two and two together, and realize it's a generational curse when Taffy showed up for for his kids.
Exactly what I was thinking. I was getting kinda mad at them because they just wanted a hero dad sacrifice, without thinking that the kids would have to go on without a dad for 5 years against Tommy, and aftet that, living with no father for the rest of their lives. Put on top that the father knew it was futile to try and kill Tommy, knew the pain of growing up without a dad, it would of been bad writing imo.
I think its important to take into account that the author themselves is an actual survivor of CSA, so i dont personally see those moments of 'too much' as like, shock value, but rather just their way of eaither venting or dealing eirh their own personal trauma, not wanting to make it 'more palatable' as was described
People are great advocates when they don't have to deal with the ugly stuff. The fact most people are ranting and even "standing up for victims" calling the story exploitative and shock value while not knowing that it's based on real lived experience is both hilarious and really tragic.
@@warbossgegguz679 it's actually very petty, most of these snowflakes really have never went through something traumatic at all or even read Creepypastas before and it shows, they just want censor everything the same way youtube does
@@beyondthelimit6800 Thankfully most of the initial comments ranting about it are buried. And the fact people started pointing this out probably contributed to that. It's petty, but I really hope people who were complaining the author was doing it all for shock-value and edge feel like complete A-hole after they find out he's an ACTUAL CSA survivor, not a hypothetical one. I'm normally used to voicing my opinions and still being shot down to the effect of "well, not every DV victim is like you!" Now, they're calling a story literally based on a CSA survivor's lived experiences insensitive. Again, equal parts funny and tragic.
@@Chrryc0la I never really cared or liked a story from creepcast as much as this, because it speaks to some personal stuff and also addresses a topic with an actual message... so yeah I admit I'm kind of white knighting it, lol.
Totally 100% get your perspective but I think showing that scene in miserable detail adds to the horror. If you're left to imagine it, you can sanitize it to your liking. I do think it's effective. But that's just me, and I'm also not sure which version of the story you're reading. As with most nosleeps/creepypastas, it got rewrite that added a lot of things that actually cut the horror of that moment by making it seem fake. The original version was disgustingly real. Which is the point. Tommy Taffy isn't some supernatural being; he's simply a metaphor for abuse. Ignore it. Don't talk about it. Pretend it's not there. Put on a happy face for everyone. This remains the one story that lives in my head rent-free.
Dude we can talk about child abuse without using the same verbiage and style as smut or fanfiction. This wasn’t reading as gruesome but a dude who needs his hard drive checked. You’d be surprised how many stories like this are written by creeps lol.
"I helped their parents raise them" - boy that line is a punch to the gut, because it's the return of a childhood trauma for the parents, which makes it feel like the parents are just as vulnerable as the kids now, and I mean literally makes it feel like they will revert to a child-like state and be incapable of truly protecting their own children as they barely hold it together.
Thats the line they just kept ignoring. They keep saying how much they hate the dad, for not doing anything, but clearly it's more than that. This thing traumatized him, since he was a child.
@@IchbinX to be fair, while that line was great the story failed to really deliver on it and the prequel kind of defanged it completely. We get more horrific implications from whatever happened to the mother in the basement than from anything that happened to the father in the original or the prequel, moreover what happened in the prequel was basic gore (and creep behavior), while what happened to the mother didn't even leave a mark. By all accounts the mother went through something far worse than the father. Now, had the father experienced some kind of prolonged psychological horror/torture that we only got some vague implications about that would've worked much better, however the format of the story being a kind of roleplay of people recounting online something they've gone through makes the delivery of that hard, which is exactly why it worked better with the mother. What could've saved it, is if in the original story we got more about the father being docile, flinching, constantly uneasy and afraid, just full on abuse victim behavior to the point where he reverts to childlike behavior in some ways he'd seek comfort. But the prequel story would be almost impossible to write because you have to somehow both "want to share the story" and simultaneously omit the true horror so it is still left to the readers imagination. But as things stand, while that line was great, ultimately I agree with Hunter and Wendigoon, the father just ended up being weak. Yeah he saw his own father skewered on the front lawn, but that's not enough to let this thing walk all over you and (presumably) sexually assault your daughter. It would take FAR MORE than what the prequel gave to completely override parental instincts in such a scenario, the dad can't be just sitting bruised outside the bedroom, he has to be physically untouched, cowering under his own bed sucking on his thumb humming a lullaby to himself for us to buy that he is too broken to protect his own children.
2:04:15 I think it’s important to note that if he went out like his father, his wife would have most likely have been SA’d and Taffy would be sleeping with her. I think him not dying protected his wife.
Exactly, I always saw it as a 'resistance in any way is completely futile' like aside from killing the kids you can't stop it, even if you die he's still gonna be there and now you aren't there to comfort them. Good job making it 1000x worse.
Yea idk why they went so insanely hard on him we’re talking about a man who saw his father mutilated in front of him and heard his mothers SA every single night for years. He clearly wanted his children to have it to the least so he could at the very least comfort them
@@satboi2734 because sitting outside of your daughters room while she's being sa'd is such a...i can't even imagine it. as a parent you'd do anything, you'd die fighting if that's what it took. if we got more backstory of them, perhaps that'd make it a little easier to understand, but we don't. we get this man doing nothing as his family is tortured.
@@mika-si7fu we do get the dads backstory he learned what happens when you disobey he saw it first hand with his own father right in front of him and he tried to stop him we have no idea what Tommy did to him when he tried to stop I doubt he just beat him a little that would be the light thing he’s ever done. He saw what happens when Tommy kills you it gets worse if he died right there his wife would be with Tommy every single night until he left.
Hunter and Isaiah should make a shirt that says "Creep on Creepin on" with them in a car heading up to a fork in the road. Isaiah pointing left while hunter points right. (Could add a little road sign that says wintery bay pointing to the left but wintery is crossed out with weatherly written over it)
I’ve always viewed Tommy’s final line for Spencer as a command, not a warning. His kids WILL get 5 years. And that was a curse placed on Spencer. I also saw Spencer’s cowardice as a form of protection. If he fought back, he would’ve died, then Tommy would’ve had free rein over his wife and kids. He followed suit because he seemed to be able to at least keep his family on Tommy’s good side and negotiate punishments.
Both of my parents had abusive, alcoholic parents. My parents never struck us or drank but there was verbal and emotional abuse. Now my brothers are raising their kids with gentleness, kindness and encouragement. Breaking a generational curse can be done.
The part that's missing is that in the story, Tommy's victims never work through their trauma. They're just told to keep it a secret, never tell anyone he is/was there, and just pretend like it never happened no matter how deep the scars are. My dad was also the same sort of person as your parents, though thankfully my mother and step-father (who I hate having to call that) aren't. At the same time we've gone through YEARS of therapy and counseling to get to this. I want to do the same thing when I have kids... but you can't get there without addressing what happened.
I took a horror film class in college and something that stuck out to me is a quote (I will butcher) in our reading that stated, "Horror can talk about the darkest parts of humanity in a way that no other genre can." It shows how nothing is off-limits to horror because boundaries are non-existent in a way that makes us uncomfortable. If we were unsettled and uncomfortable in by something we consider unimaginable, it did it's job in horrifying us. I think it's a great story.
This is exactly why I love horror, nothing else speaks about the bad in this world the way that genre does. It SHOULD make people uncomfortable because a lot of it is real and happens daily, if it didn't disgust us then this world would be a whole lot worse
exactly. that's why I think that the explicit scenes are, while not necessary, something important to the message of the story. when horror is depicting the most disgusting and terrifying parts of reality, there should be no holding back. those stories are written to tell those dark realities and truths, and it is supposed to scare and make the reader uncomfortable and disgusted. while yes, the story could have gone without the scene, I think the author's main priority was the message of the story, not the neatness or flow of the story, and as a horror writer myself, I respect that
@slimely9758 totally agree I think as critical readers you do have to take a step back and look at why the author put that in not just say oh it's too explicit and say cut it out. These guys clearly like the more open ended stuff but this style of horror also has its merits
Very true! I love that horror exists to help people explore these dark and uncomfortable subject matters, especially if it can be used as a way to generate conversation and get people to become better people/encourage us to treat each other better. That said, I'm also a big supporter of disclaimers in front of stories like these, and I'm thankful this story has them. Someone who has experienced these horrors and still healing from their trauma shouldn't be re-traumatized for the sake of others learning/talking about dark and uncomfortable subject matter - and disclaimers can be a part of the conversation so that people are aware of what they're about to get into.
@@Scarshadow666 I agree. A lot can be said about the story but I think it generally is symbolic of sexual abuse and it's continuation through people that've experienced it. (Not that the people who have are always bad, I want to be careful with that.)
((SPOILER WARNING FOR BORRASCA)) they keep talking about how the father from borrasca "just" sold his daughter into sex slavery, but let's be very clear, he was also an active participant in the deal and HE was the only one that impregnated his own daughter, Whitney. that was why Prescott said she "only put out shit babies" because they were all inbred. and that was why the last baby before her death was named "William". "K" for Killian, "P" for Prescott, and "W" for Walker. Graham Walker is still the unquestionably most MONSTROUS character in all of CreepCast history. (edit: spelling error fix. oopsie)
idk why but i visualized tommy as sheldon cooper for this and it made his creepy pervy scenes a lot more effective but his scary murderer scenes a lot more hilarious
I think that they have blocked out how vile the father from borrasca actually is as a character. He sold his daughter into it, killed her, then participated in the underground rape machine. That’s actually comically evil.
@@Alex-xi4bg The dad abused her because he “couldn’t stand the idea of someone (else) doing that to her.” Prescott (I think?) decided to have her killed after she had the last baby, even though he knew it would make the sheriff angry.
When I read Tommy Taffy in middle school, I felt sick for weeks. What I understood from refusing him, was that if you did, he only did what he wanted, but worse and more aggressively.
Isaiah talking about if its a demon that has your wife, you take your kids outside tell them to run and burn that house down and I'm getting Supernatural flashbacks
Just finished the story on Spotify. I have some of my own recommendations that are not fucked up like this, borasca or penpal. "I think my grandfather might be a serial killer. " "These are the rules to follow to survive the line. " "I'm a swat officer that was called to a locked down school. " "Someone has been standing outside my house for over a year." "My job is watching a woman trapped inside a room."
I tried the line one but I just couldn't get into it, I really liked the idea of the 'my job is to watch a woman' one though, I was just looking for something more spooky at the time, so I didn't finish it. Thank you for not mentioning the wife peeking around corners one, it's written as badly as some of the other audience picks that they've done so far
One thing about the dad that i think you guys got wrong. You mentioned that the grandfather gave the dad the gift of life by trying to stop Tommy. But really all that happened was Tommy took over, abused the mother and the child and nothing changed. I think that shows why the father didn't do much to stop tommy because he knows no matter what he does Tommy will still be there to abuse his children and wife, so his only way to get through it is to wait for Tommy to leave and try to rebuild after. It's frustrating hearing a father let something do that to his children but also not wanting to leave his children alone with that monster. Now that doesnt excuse the decision to have kids knowing that was the fate so the dad still is stupid for that reason. Also, Borasca pt5 was meh to me. I wont spoil it but compared to the original story it just kinda didnt land right in my opinion.
In the dad’s defense, if he rebelled against Tommy, Tommy would “raise” the kids alone for 5 years where they would be subjected to the same torture. So wouldn’t it be better for them all to live?
@@MrIanMatthewI’ve seen a few people mention it but it could be something that’s influenced them after. Like part of the lesson’s imprints in their brain to have kids. Or if they take steps to prevent it and I happens anyway.
There's really not deep enough lore. As far as we know Tommy can't even drive and he has to be killed to come back. Theoretically they could've just locked him in a freezer and than caught the next flight to Hawaii. What's Tommy gonna do buy a plane ticket? Swim across the ocean? I feel like they gave up so quickly
@@Endzdeville I mean we did hear in it he was in multiple places at once. What if the 2 weeks was him giving them a false sense of security before he taught the lesson to really hammer home they aren’t safe. The fun thing with interpretation is everyone has their own :)
The dad from Borrasca wins the "worst father of the year" award, no competition. The dad from Borrasca actively violated and assaulted his daughter for years and then he impregnated her when he found out that she was going to be killed. This dad has clearly experienced the same trauma as his children are facing - if not worse - and all of his actions in the story are influenced by repressed trauma. There's no such thing as a perfect victim, and people who have been victims of abuse or C/SA don't always react the way you expect to in a given situation. I grew up in a abusive home environment, and I can sympathize with his cowardice; the idea that being too afraid to stop abuse because of your own trauma is somehow worse than actively assaulting your own daughter just comes across as victim-blaming to me.
@@BlueMoonSamurai That depends on the person. Sometimes we stand up during the abuse. I did, and luckily that did make the person start to back off. Some people aren't as lucky. Regardless, it's wrong to say no one has that fight in em until years of therapy.
@@aliceiscalling I didn't mean to make a generalization, I was mostly talking from my experience and the experiences of other people I know. Obviously, everyone processes abuse differently during and after.
They also RECOMMENDED "the thing in the basement is getting better at mimicking people" and "Gr3gory88". So the takeaway is to do the opposite of what they say.
Having grown up with a physically abusive parent (no CSA or anything like that), this story did a very good job at conveying that feeling of being forced to live with someone that abuses you and your family. The bear scene was very reminiscent of something my dad did once.
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CONTENT WARNING: THIS EPISODE CONTAINS ELEMENTS OF GRAPHIC CSA. THIS EPISODE IS VERY VILE. VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED
I really don't know what to say, excited for the episode. Good luck everybody.
Should have just done tales from the gas station huh. Now you've borassca'd us.
Oh God. Not again.
What means CSA?
WTF is csa?
You guys need a sign in the background that reads " Episodes since child predator" like those " days since last accident" ones.
Omg lol I love this idea 😂 "_" days since traumatization
This
This x2
PLEASE
I AGREE
Creepcast
Expectations: Two friends read through classic internet horror stories
Reality: Two guys repeatedly tricked into reading child abuse.
Bro, for real😂 I blame the subreddit, this video made me check it out and I'll never do that again🤢
That's more the internet's fault than theirs.
They brought this on them selves they could be reading part 2 of the thing in the basement is getting better at mimicking people but they wanted that wasn’t good enough
Trick them once OK .. but three times? that means they are at some level into this sort of thing
@@grbenway They are reading for hours at a time and both are busy creators, they aren't going to make another episode after creating this one and scrapping it. Fan bases are also typically unhinged when it comes to episodic series and it doesn't get released on time, let alone skipped an upload, let alone again if they skipped an upload to an already very long release window in between episodes. The dynamic also changes wildly if you know the story going into it versus reading it blind on top of the viewers repeatedly suggesting them gross content that they have no knowledge of, so it makes no sense they'd be into it, especially their reactions.
TLDR: We're the problem here.
I don't care what anyone says, that WWE bit was entirely necessary to the video. Because dear lord did we need some levity in that fucking moment
I was listening to this at work and spit out my coffee when I heard them do the bit lol
Absolutely necessary
It was hilarious
The fact a joke about someone doing WWE style most on a small child and slamming her against the wall was LEVITY to what was actually going on in the story says a lot about how fucked up the story was.
Yeah I was actually legit grateful for that moment as it happened like bless these two for being on the same page of "oh god I need some jokes right now lets divert into absurd WWE nonsense"
I don't know about you guys, but that Tommy Taffy sounds like a real jerk!
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He said the worst part about it was the hypocrisy, i disagreed. I thought it was the raping
@@bigeboi1000 🤣
"I have something to say to this tommy taffy guy, hey tommy! Stop stealing my moves!"
Norm shout out!!
The story went from "My six-year-old son the hungriest boy on this side of Mississippi " to 1000 real quick
Wtf is that face??
@@cadoftb TH-cam's default emoji
🤓the Mississippi🤓as in the river🤓
I know, and it left us with nuclear grade meme material 1:02:33
the effin emoji is crazy 😂
"what level of pain, would you allow your family to go through if the alternative is they die?" this is the worst question I think that has ever been asked.
I had to sit there with my jaw open for a sec, that really shocked me. What a horrifying thing to consider on all fronts
its easy to say what youd do without ever having been in their shoes, but if it were me? the second tommy showed up id have went out, bought a gun and put my whole family down. especially knowing what he knew about tommy. you have to be some kind of monster to allow your family to go through that when you know what the results are going to be, having been through it yourself.
@@shadehawk I feel like people can still have a life after surviving abuse. I get wanting to spare their suffering but the idea that survivors of abuse would be better off dead is way too fatalistic to me.
@@HisNameWasCrazy True. And clearly Tommy's victims do, to some extent, get a life afterwards. Both the dad, and the mom, were able to move on. (Much to their detriment ironically, as they seemingly didn't take their abuse serious enough in not passing it down t otheir kids.) And their kids have also become fully grown adults, with the daughter (again unfortunately), having kids of her own. I can understand the dilemma here, give the people you love 5 straight years of absolute hell, if, in exchange, they have the chance at a normal life. Or put them out of their suffering all together. (Or the by far best option of all, *don't have kids* )
Ngl, kind of sounds like some Jigsaw thought experiment.
They still do not understand how evil the dad actually was in Borrasca. He didn’t JUST sell her into it. He participated.
Also, “just sell her into it?” Just? Are we being fucking for real? That’s not as bad as cowering in front of the immortal demon who killed your father in front of you and abused you as a child?
He not only participated, he did it to his daughter, which is why her son's name was William, and her babies were turning out deformed...
@@StrawberryMilkk224 blud that's what OP meant by "participated"
Ya, Borrasca dad is way worse than Spence. Spence is still shit though.
I guess they did not read part V
[SPOILER]
In part V Sam, now a heroin addict, reunites with Kimber, they both go back to the city to take Borrasca down
There they confront Sam's dad, since he became the guy who runs Borrasca.
Sam does question his dad about what he did to his sister... Part V is really good but it's more like a thriller.
You guys skipped over the part of the text that says: "I realized now that despite all the awful things Tommy was doing, my father's submission was keeping us alive. His agonized silence kept Tommy's wrath at bay."
Even without that having been made explicit, there is plenty that implies that the father was only not more confrontational because he believed that the consequence would have been his family being punished for it.
It's also possible that the parents didn't realise that Tommy would show up if they had kids until he actually did. Tommy's statement to the father as a child may not have registered with him to mean that he would come back, as he did act shocked by it. "This can't happen... not again." And he only understood the nature of it after the fact.
Also, the father in Borrasca is *way* worse than this one. That father didn't just allow what happened to his daughter, he was her actual abuser. He's essentially on the same moral level as Tommy. And even if that weren't the case he would still have been enabling her abuse when he had other options. Whereas the father in this story is in a hostage situation where the gun is also being pointed at his family.
IKR!!!
Literally this
That and also killing yourself in some sort of act of defiance leaves your kids and spouse still alone with a monster, even if you can’t prevent it, it’s still a type of abandonment
@@Hannah-fe4yf I was just about to type this, it felt like they were actively ignoring the concept of "Even if I die trying to protect myself Tommy is still going to exist and he's still going to fuck with my family" I GET the emotional appeal of acting despite that, but like I don't fault the father for his actions. I can't even say he's a demon or evil. Sure the moral or heroic thing to have done would have been to die for family, but at the same time Tommy always comes back and without you there to help easy things, they might just get more abused than they would normally
@@At1u5yeah, it really felt like neither of them wanted to take the new information from the dad into consideration and just continue to be mad at him. I mean fair, he shouldn’t have had kids and should’ve told his daughter not to, but like…everything else was understandable even if it was frustratingly sad.
It was so nice of the narrators parents to allow popular hip hop artist Drake to stay in their home for 5 years
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA I’M CACKLING
UNDERRATED COMMENT
The idea of the story ending with tommy opening the door only to see a very angry kenrick lamar on the other side is insanely funny
Immediately thought of this when they mentioned he sings love songs lol
@@BonBonthe2ndThe good ending.
Hunter: "I'm picturing a Youth Pastor"
Isaiah: dies a little inside
I ... Is he? No wonder ...
How many parlor boys does it take to change a lightbulb? As many as it takes till they find it
No, if Tommy Taffy was truly a youth pastor he would have proposed to the sister on her 18th birthday and then made a public social media post about how God brought the two of them together.
@@manhathawayyeah, I think it’s part of the reason he either skips or replaces swear words when reading stories that have them.
I believe he teaches Sunday school
the image of Kyle from Borrasca showing up to defeat Tommy Taffy is peak cinema imo
And Isaiah calling him a comfort character 😭🙌
can we also call the kid and the monster hunter detective from the basement creature one? they'd show up behind tommy and make him say "welp... they're right behind me, aren't they?"
Kyle would kick this freak's ass and make Tommy thank him for it.
@@persephoenixLOL
@@persephoenix "All in due time, on your left..."
"YO AMBEEEEERR, THERES SOME CREEPY DUDE AT THE FRONT DOOR AND HE GONNA CHILL HERE FOR A BIT."
It’s Kimber 😂
@@MaryGen-xo6zfFINE.. KIMBER! WHO CARES? GOSH
@@goosemontv 🤣
A lesser man would have edited this comment to not look stupid... fuck all that
@@foxylicious6543 Kyle-style until the end, über-based.
i really felt it when wendi said "imagine being a six-year-old at that age"
at age six i was born without a face
I remember the year I turned six, it was a jovial year. It had been six years since I was birthed from my mother that gave me life...
Pool floats are truly the balloons of the water
Now I'm terrified I'm gonna end up being a 6yr old at some other age! 😱
With lines like that he could be great creepy pasta author
The father from Barasca is WAY worse. He didn’t just sell her int slavery, he fathered the last baby his daughter had before tossing her in the Shiny Gentleman. Actual monster
He fathered every child she had. That's why they all kept coming out as poor quality/malformed. Cause he didn't want anyone else to touch what was his. Horrible cretin.
He fathered all of her babies, that's why they came out deformed
hes even worse in the audio drama version he gets with sams girlfriend after his moms dies
@@Liverscene wHAT
@@keks3072 a lot of crazy stuff happens here got a painting commissioned of his daughter as well I won’t go any more further cause they might go back but I highly recommend you listen to the borasca audio drama if you want
You guys missed the biggest thing about Borrasca. The dad didn’t just ‘sell out’ Whitney, he was the one Borrasca-ing her. That’s why she was ‘putting out sh!t babies’ and why her babies had names starting with W. Her dad, the new sheriff, was an active participant.
Thing is borasca's grape room thing was a total rip off of helix season 2 episode 10 mother. which came out a little bit before the story was released.
Nah they noticed when they read it they just forgot I’m guessing
Exactly! They are putting way too much hate on Spence
What makes it worse is he only grapes her and she was 14 at the time
@@MegaSharpshooter1234no they knew he participated but they didn’t put the W with the W
Someone was just like “what if slappy from goosebumps was a diddler”
That sentence is hilariously horrific 😭
slappy was a diddler. you ever see bride of the living dummy? literally wanted to make a 7 year old his bride.
That hunter and Wendi seem to also think that's what the story is about is so devastatingly disappointing. I know Isaiah is from Appalachia but shit our schools are supposed to teach people what an allegory is
@@hillbillypowpowI’m more than 100% sure the guy who dissects literature for a living knows what an allegory is
@@hillbillypowpowso true. I got irritated at several points when it seemed obvious and they didn’t get it. You’re a retard for slighting Appalachia like that tho. You’d die from two shots of what I drank when I was 16 little nigga
I read someone on Reddit say he's the embodiment of domestic abuse, with him having this uncannily "perfect", smooth façade because abusers spend a lot of time rehearsing their public persona, to the point it feels unnatural and saccharine (like taffy). Makes sense when you think about how generational trauma can stick with a family for a long time and gets passed down to the kids and their kids, long after the original abuser's death. That's why Tommy Taffy is immortal. He will exist until people break the cycle.
EDIT: 30 mins in and they figured it out lmao
He is that relative or family friend that gets too close to children. The story being in the pov of when they were children really makes you feel helpless. While adults could maybe stop it, when you're a child and your parents don't do or can't do anything you feel so helpless.
Still hate the explicit stuff, I really don't think it's necessary
How do you break the cycle other than not having children?
@@Has-uo1lq As someone with a background involving a similar experience, I think it's an extremely effective story when it comes to that.
As far as the explicit stuff, I don't think it needed to go THAT far, but I also admire having enough of a spine to want to actually push boarders and make people uncomfortable. Because the reality of that sort of situation isn't nice and clean and "implicit" either. Telling people our real-life experiences makes them uncomfortable so we keep it to ourselves, so hearing so many people be like "ew stop too much, this story is the worst!" is honestly more "triggering" than the actual contents of the story.
The base concept is good, but it could have done without the overly graphic descriptions of csa
I feel like this story could've been perfect if it wasn't unnecessarily graphic. Like penpal for example is awful. it's story sickens and disturbs, but it leaves stuff up to the imagination. while Taffy tommy just keeps going on and on with detail.
Good horror makes you dwell on implications, Taffy tommy gives you the answers in the most (for lack of a better term) annoying and disrespecting way
Releasing this on Father’s Day is straight up psychological warfare.
Also I am once again requesting Stolen Tongues. It is creepy, fun, pretty well written, and there are no kids involved.
I would literally mail them my book for them to read. I need a breath of fresh air from all these heavy topics, give me flesh gates mimicking people.
I listened to a few minutes of stolen tongues - it sounded like it was a sequel to something else?
Its genuinely the only horror story that I've read that has scared me, the descriptions are so intense and perfectly awful. I really think Hunter would like it because he said before he didn't know what a Skinwalker was
Yea but they will do a god awful job covering it and make you regret requesting it lol
yes!!
We need a cleanser story. “My property isn’t normal” is my recommendation. It’s a good story with genuine intrigue but is also more comedic. And not in the poorly written so bad it’s good. Like it’s genuinely a funny read and I know MeatCanyon would have a blast voicing the characters.
I haven’t read it but I’m upvoting this comment because i love when Hunter gets wacky with the voices/characters!
There is a similar story series called "Tales from the Gas Station." Fun for the most part.
I fucking love this story. I relisten to MCP’s narration of it every couple years. Skinny is the best horror-comedy villain.
They need to vet the stories they read instead of just blindly going into them. Even if they don't read it themselves, get a third person to read submissions if neither of them know it and give a synopsis so they know if they want to bother.
ABSOLUTELY
I think this story symbolizes the loss of innocence by a "relative" and the parents doing nothing out of fear of the consequences. Pretending nothing is happening, hoping for the problem to just go away, thus allowing the worst to happen.
As awful as the father is imo for standing by, it makes sense with the abuse allegory.
The amount of adults out there who are aware child abuse is going on, but choose to do nothing and ignore it because they "don't want to cause drama" or whatever messed up excuse they use is depressingly high.
I think it's generational abuse
@@JillLulamoonThen it's a bad allegory because he actually can't interfere.
I like how the spotify descrption for this episode just says "we're sorry..."
It auto played while I was at work and couldn’t change it…
“I’m picturing a youth pastor” he said , to a youth pastor
I think he’s a Sunday school teacher which is slightly different right?
@@Simply_Americanno not really. At least not in my experience. It varies church to church. Like I knew people who had nuns as Sunday school teachers while others had just average people.
@@TheRunaway115Difference in my church anyway was if you were just a teacher it meant ya taught one 30 minute class before worship and the actual pastors would not only teach a class but run the events and go on all the trips and were actually considered staff while the casual teachers were volunteering
The funniest part is that Isaiah understood what he meant IMMEDIATELY.
As did I think everyone. The 20-30 something dude in khakis and a t-shit with a plastered smile DESPRATELY trying to be "hip with Jesus".
@@Simply_Americanit's literally the same 😂 they get younger guys to appeal to the younger crowd
Definitely a lot of misinterpretation with this one. Borrasca Dad is infinitely worse than the dad of this story, one is a victim reliving trauma trying to do damage control and the other one fathered his own daughters children.
Sweet home Alabamaaaaa
i think metaphorically the father is committing "tommy taffy". you are supposed to hate him. the story is feels metaphorically speaking on the duel nature of growing up with a family where abuse has occurred.
@@mtheschizoI took it to be exactly that. A story about not a mystical being, but how the "monster" shows itself everywhere and nowhere.
Good point. Taffy could also represent drug or alcohol abuse and how it makes "Taffy" come out of the dad. @@mtheschizo
Dude my trauma from borrasca is just getting worse with this one. I couldn't finish the story. As soon as I hered them describe the stables I frantically turned off my xbox as fast as I could
Seeing the prequel, I think the reason the dad didn't go out like his father did was because he didn't want to leave his wife and children alone. He watched his mother become a shell of herself and have to sleep with Tommy. And he didn't want to make his wife suffer that fate.His father's death severed only to make Spence and his mother suffer MORE with his absence. In my opinion, dying for no purpose is more cowardly than having to suffer through the knowledge you have to sit back and do nothing because you can't.
How do you think Kyle would respond to Tommy taffy?
Kyle: yo Kimber, why the fuck does this dude look like a ken doll? Also Do you want some meat and cheese outta this charcuterie board I brought?
Sam off in the distance: ASK HIM IF HE KNOWS ABOUT THE SKINNED MEN
LMFAO SAM'S LINE KILLED ME XD
Underrated comment honestly lmao
That was the funniest shit ive read in a hot minute XDD
Lmao Sam 😂
As if Kyle would know the word "charcuterie"
The fact that tommy is a walking talking doll aswell brings into mind the technique therapists use to discuss childhood trauma. The whole "point at the doll where it touched you" thing
I never thought of that! If we count also the fact that some people say that Tommy is the embodiment of dosmetic abuse then it checks out a lot.
Oh my gosh. This story just gets more disgusting.
DAVE????
@@downcat1973 downcat?!
I think criticisms of the parent’s character and Tommy as a monster are fair when reading the story literally - but I don’t think it should be analyzed literally; more as a fable. Tommy is generational SA. It’s purposeless, senseless, unkillable, and pervasive. It’s a secret you can’t tell anyone lest you bring shame to yourself and your family. It comes in the form of trusted authority, then “teaches” you cruelty while your abuser hypocritically preaches about kindness. I think giving him more depth and purpose would’ve been detrimental to making him an allegory for a social force. And the parents choosing to bring more children into the world despite what horrors they have faced is, too, a common reality for abuse survivors. As adolescents and young adults, they’ll say they never want to bring anyone into this world to possibly face what happened to them even fractionally. Then they end up still having kids, impulsively and selfishly, and the cycle continues. Sometimes even by their own hand. And if someone else harms their kid, they’re often so embittered by the world or inverted by the thought of trauma that they stand by, allow it to happen. Say “it will be over soon”, “this is just part of life”, “this is our new normal”. Human fallibility and fear means the cycle will continue in reality just as it does in the story. Outside of the explicit scene I really don’t think anything should be changed in this story in order to keep that allegory in tact. It’s not a perfect story but I think as a monsterfication of SA it is HIGHLY effective and thorough.
This is a great comment. Summed up my thoughts exactly.
Honestly, the idea that abuse victims shouldn’t have kids is just so weird.
@@georgeofhamiltonit’s not the idea that they shouldn’t it’s that they normally don’t want to yet still do
Shutting down is a common trauma response and can happen in scenarios where people with PTSD have to relive past memories. It’s understandable how Matt’s dad acted, but definitely doesn’t make him very likable as a character, for sure.
@georgeofhamilton That's not what's being said, though.
As a CSA Survivor, the explicit nature of the Tommy Taffy story is what makes it so powerful to me. I understand the content is upsetting to those that haven't experienced it, but it's something that shaped my life at a fundamental level and sometimes it can feel like you cannot discuss the truth of what happened to you to spare others the discomfort. You can really tell the author is a survivor themselves. The whole story has a clear note of honestly and raw catharsis to it that soothes me.
I completely agree. This kind of abuse is horrific and disgusting, but I felt kind of offended when they both acted like the writing went "too graphic" during the abuse scenes. No one has to read things like that, and I don't want anyone to read graphic abuse if they don't want to or can't handle it, but abuse itself is graphic. Speaking as another CSA survivor, you don't get to just fade tastefully to black or remember your own abuse as implied, you are there in that situation and you get to experience every bit of hurt and every sensation that's inflicted on you. It's not "too graphic" when this is just someone's reality. And I really wish they used it to empathize more with victims of this kind of monstrous treatment.
I agree. I think it's a part of Isaiah's Christian upbringing and how that makes him so uncomfortable talking about sexual things. In one of his videos he explains how his parents let him watch extreme violent shows/movies as a kid but would skip through anything sexual.
I'm glad the story was able to soothe you. I think a lot of people who haven't experienced these types of things couldn't understand that. Also I hope you've been able to heal from your experiences
@sidneypowelstock6812 If you notice, it wasn't just Isiah being uncomfortable. The point of those stories generally, is to elicit horror, dread, and fear for the excitement of those emotions. The scenes they skipped over don't elicit those emotions. In most people, just disgust and rage.
Along with anger at the uselessness of the neighborhood, and the weakness of the father character, it weakens the story as a horror piece.
@@apollyon23456 I agree that it weakens the piece of writing as a horror story. I think it's more than that though. Like in Feed The Pig by the same author, Isaiah and Hunter praise the story's use of disturbing and viscerally uncomfortable descriptions. I'm not gonna try to analyze the purpose of each text but both of them sacrifice the ability to incite dread in favor of intense uncomfortable detail. It's a choice. It's not the choice I would make personally but it seems intentional
Yeah. It's natural to be revolted by it, but worth remembering that real people experience things like this. Those people didn't get to turn away and not look because it was grotesque and horrible.
My hyper realistic eyes became glued to the screen of my phone, as I was sucked violently into the world of another creepcast episode!
My real blood photoshopped into my cartoon body started pumping faster when I saw the notification
This could totally be its own creepypasta
i can see this so clearly
bloodshot hyper-realistic eyes glued to my phone
Proud to be the one to upvote this to 666.
Comparing the dad of this story to the borrasca is criminal the borrasca dad is pushing Griffith levels of evil
People keep referencing berserk. Should I watch it? Read it? Tell me.
@@theRPGmasterread it
@@theRPGmaster read it, avoid the anime adaptations, they are all shit, just read the manga.
97 is dated, but definitely the best anime adaptation, but absolutely read it. Just finished all 14 deluxe volumes. You won’t regret it
It's very heavy. But the funny thing is, all the horrors that are shown in the manga are human cruelty, even though is a dark fantasy
So I think the whole thing is pretty obviously an analogy for molestation, but I think it's specifically molestation from a trusted family friend or member. The idea of Tommy becoming a 3rd parent to raise the kid is like an uncle or grandfather being very close to the child, helping the parents raise them. The whole reason why the lessons from Tommy are actually straightforward and not spreading misinformation is because real life child predators do that. They act moral and give proper advice, then behind closed doors they commit horrible acts to children. The whole "lesson" that Tommy teaches about what love "truly is" reminds me of excuses that manipulators use: "I love you, that's why I'm doing this, this is how you show people you really love them." It's a tactic to manipulate their victims into thinking their actions are acceptable.
The whole thing with the parents constantly convincing the kids that Tommy is a good person also reminds me of parents turning blind eyes to their own family members, saying "He could never do that, he's my brother/father/etc." The overly explicit scene also reminds me of stories I've heard where a kid is beginning to go through puberty, and a family member uses that to molest them: in fact, I wonder if the writer was a victim of sexual abuse themselves, and that's why they made those particular scenes so explicit (it's only ever a male character that has an explicit scene).
The father being traumatized by Tommy but still having kids and exposing them to those horrific things is essentially what happens to some victims of abuse too, where they become the very monster that hurt them in the first place.
The entire story and the events that happen are all allegories for real life family members or loved ones that prey on their own family: they come with smiling faces, happy laughs, seemingly good intentions, but in reality they're horrible monsters that twist families into broken people, creating generational trauma.
Edit: Just to add some more stuff that came to me... I think it's also important to note that Tommy leaves RIGHT when the MC learns to hate Tommy's "love," essentially growing to an age where they can finally resist their manipulation, and so they no longer prey on them.
This summary is spot on to me
I think he also leaves after 5 years because the kids grow out of his "age range".
Absolutely agree
Oh yeah, I think this is what creepcast totally missed!! There doesn't need to be a goal or anything with Tommy caressing hair, touching shoulders, getting close to the children. THAT is creepy enough, especially when it comes to children living that reality. As a survivor myself, all of the little touches, the parents just letting it happen in most cases AND having Tommy live with them is exactly how molestation begins and ends. Or how generational trauma continues.
As for the explicitness of "that" scene, yes, its absolutely horrifying and seems like snuff to people who have never gotten SA'd before. It was refreshing for me to see a writer not glossing over what happened. Of course we don't need details written out like a raunchy romance novel, but the dialogue is what is needed. The coersiveness and complete disregard for boundaries from Tommy and a poor child who has no sense of boundaries is what makes that scene horrifyingly true to SA events. Children don't know boundaries of their own body until someone teaches them, right or wrong. From my experience, you have this "icky" feeling that its wrong, but you also are still at the age where every adult, especially FAMILY adults, in your life are always right. You are afraid to tell them no, you are afraid to tell them the truth, you are afraid. Especially after seeing/hearing Tommy abuse others in your family.
I'm only at the 1hr 16min mark of this video and what I wrote and the OPs comment is EXACTLY what creepcast completely missed. "I think there needs to be more to his character than being a creep". Thats EXACTLY how family members begin with molesations. Pushing boundaries by initially caressing the hair, lingering hand on the shoulder, pressing bodies together, etc etc. Family members that commit this atrocities to children know that they can do these "gentle" touches in public and in front of the parents because ruffling up a child's hair or touching their shoulder or holding their hand or sitting on laps can be a completely innocent action. You push boundaries in front of other adults so that you can go deeper with this control behind closed doors. THAT is what makes Tommy insanely horrifying because of this pattern of abuse can and does happen in plain sight.
This comment is 100% underrated!!! This is exactly what I got from the story, take out the supernatural elements and it sounds JUST like your typical family creep who is also beloved and protected by the rest of the family, truly sickening stuff.
Maybe the real worst character in creep cast history was the friends we made along the way (but for real it was the dad from borrasca)
“The audience has been batting zero for zero”
Confirmed, Iceberg boy does not watch baseball.
Take away his american citizenship.
Un-American indeed. We should report him to HUAC
Take away his penis privileges
Baseball is lame
@@weaktallguy5114 What would you know? You're not even in the top 5000 weak, tall guys.
Hunter’s Red Flags:
- Basements
- Employed Mothers
- Sisters existing
…checks out
You missed a couple:
- Casual conversation
- Old people
Really just the minute Adults talk about or interact with children he flips out.
another one , : -- people forming basic conversations outside -- staring at his licence plate for too long
He would hate it down south 😭
-People noticing that he’s got an out of town license plate
I know theres a lot of people who are SA and CSA survivors who are saying that they actually prefer to have it detailed - but as one myself, my opinion is heavily different.
I think there are very effective ways to make people uncomfortable and understand what happened. I hate in movies, books, anything, where there is just straight up snuff level scenes of abuse. I understand the argument of "But its supposed to make you uncomfortable" - but something like hearing his sister screaming and the bed moving and the aftermath of seeing blood on her legs or her personality changing - THAT should be enough to make any sane person uncomfortable. THAT should be enough to make people straight up feel ill. In my opinion, its unnecessary, but I can respect other victims opinions on these types of scenes too.
Literally some of the ways it’s described come off more like a creeps fantasy and not a “harsh reality” of abuse. There are ways to give gruesome detail without making it sound like a fanfiction.
i feel exactly the same; i dont think it adds anything to the narrative and it feels like it is done for shock purposes (which is completely fine to add but still a cheap trick to disturb others). i genuinely wonder what the point of writing this is if it's actually just a supernatural being that predates on children. reading this at some points (like someone else commented) came off as someone's messed up fantasy, instead of a proper tale of abuse.
@@47tuc I felt a similar feeling about wondering what the actual undertones the author had on not only this but The Playground. If you don’t know about it, big TW for a LOT unnecessary themes. It felt like extreme child abuse for the sake of child abuse. The excuses I hear of “Well it makes you root for the villains death”. And of course it would, but no one should need to see or read incredibly graphic scenes to get to that point.
I feel like there’s too much desensitisation for some people who seek the thrills of horror, and those some people go too far, become desensitised, and then believe that avoiding those scenes just doesn’t make good horror. Which is concerning.
I also feel like some victims, as would be expected, are desensitised to these themes instead of the other few who get triggered by them, and to them these scenes aren’t a big deal, which could reflect their own stance and mental health with their own personal situation.
And those are the kinda audience the authors write stories for because they feel like they can get away with sick fantasies for crowds that actually just need comfort and help.
I definitely dont share the same opinion but can see why people do honestly. To me personally i prefer when stories are detailed with these things. I want it to leave me disturbed because shockingly it makes me want to be a better person. The mental image of what could be in depraved moments like this is haunting and the worst part is that it could realistically happen. It makes me give more of a fuck to people who unfortunately had to go through such things.
I think it could be the authors sick fantasy but i dont know this author and am not going to speak on the behalf of them assume things about them. (something way too many people have gotten comfortable doing to lend credence to their own opinions which honestly just makes them look bad.) but as far as im concerned its effective it makes me sick and it makes me hate this heinous acts even more. But thats just me. I PREFER things to be descriptive. Which btw, dont put words in my mouth. Preferring descriptive things isnt me saying i like reading horrible deeds being done onto someone, please dont be that person.
But all that aside id say it did its thing. Not being able to do anything against something so benevolent and being traumatised to do literally anything.. Yeah it definitely disturbed me. The concept definitely works being.. Well, horrifying.
@FemboyJoe I wasn't going put any words in your mouth, it's OK ♡ I appreciate you sharing your outlook and opinion on these types of stories and graphic scenes. Its important that everyone can get their view across without argument and with understanding. Even if I can't fully wrap my head around someone else's perspective on something for personal reasons, it doesn't mean I'm not open to hear their own thoughts, feelings, and journey with the way they perceive things. I find the way people think about and view things differently to others interesting. I know it's the internet so people have gone after everyone's opinions before with malice, but it's not the goal here with my comment. And I'm glad you shared your view
Gotta love how Kyle has become the emotional support/guardian angel of the podcast at this point
In Kyle we trust🙏
That's very fitting to his role in the story especially the Qcode podcast. I knew he was my favourite for a reason. 😭
Kyle our guardian angle
"Yo they got sandwiches in here!" is like the CreepCasts safe word lol
I want a TV show of Kyle and apollo
It's mainly what I think of when Im watching creep cast
The shenanigans of Kyle and the quips of Apollo my two favorite
Kyle: Yo, I GOT COOKIES WHO WANTS ONE??. Tommy explodes and fucking dies, Kyle jumps in the air while ocean man plays and freeze frames on Kyle, The end.
Yayyyy! 🎉😂
The Good Ending
Kyle's power is immeasurable
@@yeeyeeyeeye the true ending
SPONGEBOB MOVIE MENTIONED❗️❗️❗️ WHAT THE FUCK IS A BAD ENDING ❗️❗️❗️🗣🗣🗣
something i think you’re missing that the dad said, if you disobey someone ELSE gets punished. so if the parents push back harder, Tommy could just further abuse the kids. you’re taking their lives into your hands not your own
The mom protested and the daughter had him in her room... Grandpa was killed and then grandma got to live that every night... It's also a special kind of torture to have to live in this situation as a father and not do anything about this monster hurting your wife and children. There's no winning
@@joshisdriven Winning is not risking it by having kids in the first place. They basically cursed their children knowingly, because there is no way I'm ever having kids after the supernatural immortal child and women abuser entity was present in my life. I think I'll avoid getting married also, just in case to not put other people in danger. So, fuck the parents.
@@joshisdriventhats hell for anyone
Not just a father
@@joshisdriven Winning is not having kids in the first place. They basically cursed innocent by being honestly stupid. Like, if i had an encounter with an immortal demon pervert of this variety, not only would i not risk having children, I'd even not marry anyone just in case, because i might put people in danger.
They're literally calling the dad a little bitch as if they know how they'd react in that situation.
I've experienced fight or flight before. We can pretend all day like we'd make the "noble sacrifice" or that we'd do the right thing, but at the end of the day, put yourself in this situation and tell me you actually would kill yourself to save your family with a straight face.
You wouldn't know, because you haven't been in that situation and most likely never will. Hell, back when I was in highschool I met kids who said with 100% confidence that they'd take on a school shooter. Meanwhile, armed and trained police officers won't even fucking do that.
I think the main reason the father didn't try to do anything to stop Tommy wasn't so much that he was a coward and refuse to go against Tommy, I believe he knew he would die and nothing would change and it would continue after his death just like what happened to his dad. That being said even if it's hard not to, having kids KNOWING Tommy would come back is super irresponsible but if he truly (somehow) didn't understand what Tommy meant when he said "your little ones will get 5 years too" it's a bit harder to fully blame him.
Sir, a second Borrasca has hit the creepcast
turn on the tv it doesn’t matter what channel 😔
Bro I was working on a project about the attacks while watching this. What a coinciydink.
"We're reading Borrasca."
"We've already read it."
"Yes, but what about Second Borrasca?"
Ironically, knowing the author is actually a CSA victim and clearly drawing on real world experiences (tragically), I kind of find Borrasca to be the more exploitative story. Especially when the main point is just to be a twist in a "supernatural red herring" story vs. this where it's actually part of the whole allegory of the plot.
@@warbossgegguz679I feel this would be good for both of the hosts to see this in a contextual addition to their understanding of the story.
1:02:33
When yall where talking about the dad from borrasca I think you guys missed what he did. He didn't sell his daughter, he kept her for himself.
It's crazy how disturbing that story is even when you fail to pick up one of the most disturbing details, even reading multiple times
Wait what?? When was that implied? Thats freakin insane
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed. For those trying to find where it was implied; Remember the naming convention that they used for the children? What was the name of the baby that was born at the end? And who was close to delivering a baby in the mine? Wild story eh?
I know they didn’t cover the epilogue on that episode tho which layer that part of the story out way more so they probably just missed it
I think he sold her to be able to be sheriff but then kept her so he can “protect her” from the others
Man, Kyle would’ve fought to his death to stop this funko pop demon. I know we all already know Kyle’s the goat but shout out to Kyle. We need a Kyle in every story, being oblivious to social cues but fighting tooth and nail for those he loves.
Funko pop demons are the worst kind
Everyone needs an autistic wolf named Kyle in their lives
It's true, more stories do need me.
Would you consider Josh from Penpal a Kyle, just with more tact?
I always try to pick out the “Kyle” of each story. None of them ever actually live up to him
“Some things are just left dead in the past.” is a line that struck me square in the chest as a CSA survivor with repressed memories. I remember the build up to the SA as if it were yesterday, can feel the air conditioner on my skin and smell the cheapness of the playdough for the fake cookies I’d made that my abuser used to manipulate me… then I remember sirens, and the flashing red and blue. That’s it. Sometimes when it’s near that time of the year, though, I get extremely depressed for reasons I logically KNOW, but can’t truly understand.
As frustrating as having your memories blocked out is, though… I’m grateful I don’t recall it at all. Speaking with other survivors who had a similar experience, but their memories were triggered and brought back to mind, really put it into perspective how this was a silver lining for me and I was extremely blessed in my traumas. Not saying that I’m blessed to have gone through trauma, only that I’m blessed in how it all turned out. There are real life horror stories out there of folks not nearly as fortunate as myself or others.
Tommy Taffy: Hi I’m going to help take care of your Kids
Dad from Borrasca: I’m waaaay ahead of you
LMAAOOOO
Lmfaoooo
Maybe Sam's dad is Tommy Taffy and this is his idea of an extended vacation.
STOP LMFAO
This made me wince
*police man shows up* "ok mr taffy, thats one year of jouvie for you"
I understood that reference.
@@katyo5578 Me too, but tommy would probably go to prison. He's been around at least since the 60s, if it's decided he's a man and not a thing. He wouldn't be there for long, though.
This made me laugh, thank you!
STOPPPP IM SOBBING
Do NOT put him in Juvie
"They say mayonnaise is the sauce of the aristocrat"
I’ve definitely heard people say that
Mayonnaise is legit one of the five mother sauces.
Who up skinning they men
I love Duke's
Tommy must be an aristocrat
Ads helped a lot... Never thought I would say that but I needed those Ad breaks. Tommy really had me infuriated and I'm only half way through.
The depravity really makes it hard, but I think the more we can bare it, the better we can confront it.
“We went like 5 episodes with no child predators.”
~ Wendigoon, 2024
They didn't even go 5 lol. They went 4
@Fortnitemcgamer yeah but four is "like five" so he's sort of right 😂
You don’t speak for us Meat. We still hate the dad from Borrasca more.
He didn’t just sell his daughter, he had a shrine to her, was obsessed, sold her BECAUSE he could then abuse her. He is a mixture of this dad and Tommy. 1000 times worse.
Nope
Fuck that father
I mean there’s a certain evil I can see that makes him worse. Like Sam’s dad is malicious and destructive and sadistic, but Dad here is actively allowing evil to occur to his wife and kids because he’s a coward. He’s permissive of it.
Like while Borrasca dad committed to doing evil, Taffy dad actively knew the evil was coming, going to happen, and then allowed it to happen uncontested.
I'm not saying it's right, just saying he did what he wanted no matter how insane/dangerous. This guy barely objected to his family's torture and destruction.
@@Soy_boi I think it has to do with how visceral the writing one in this is, vs borrasca which was like "Scooby doo mystery" and then drops the villain speech, shock corn yada yada.
I don't think the dad in borrasca did it for the soul purpose of doing stuff to his daughter though. Not to justify it but he did it to become sheriff, impregnating his own daughter against her will was just part of it.
“we need to take a break from Borrasca-type creepypastas”
the break in question:
I feel like someone needs to explain to Meat what the term snuff means, because it seems like he uses it in place of smut, and they're not the same thing xD
i was thinking the same thing. hes using it like "illegal p*rn" when that is really not what it is
Agreed. They are mixing definitions.
Lol, I love that Kyle is the "comfort character" he had one of the saddest endings but all we remember him for is that hilarious funeral shit that didn't actually happen hahhahhaa.
My comfort character is Mr Wellers
If you read the final part of borrasca then you see that they have a good ending.
@@misteranon6867well good is debatable
Them still thinking that the worst thing Sam's dad did was selling Whitney makes me want to laugh, puke and cry
Also saying that’s not as bad as this father is fucking appalling
@@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf Nah, they said this guy is more annoying which is true. He literally got it spelt out for him and still chose to inflict this torment on children.
@@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf Wait, you mean using your own daughter as a baby factory is worse than being too psychologically crippled by years of csa at the hands of a literal monster to (pointlessly die trying to) save your children from that same monster?
@@anitaremenarova6662 you’re right, they didn’t say worse. They did however say “on the same level of evil” and that they hated him more. Which is still just as ridiculous to me.
@@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolfhe had children knowing tommy would come, its practically as if he'd be bringing children into the world just to get molested.
So yeah id say not as bad but on the same level of evil
Honestly I think Wendi saying that there needs to be a "final swoop" or finality like a brand at the end entirely misses the point. As for the brand, Tommy already left his mark mentally. Matt's life is forever changed to the point he refuses to get into a relationship and experience love so that he's "never tempted" to have kids. Similar to SA victims, they don't have some special mark or sign that they've been through that experience. It leaves mental scars, but unless the predator does something to physically hurt them, there are no other indicators. Furthermore, the anti-climatic finish is a lot like was SA victims go through too, if the perpetrator is never caught. They come in, destroy their lives, and go on their merry way, assuming they aren't caught/have to live around them. There's no big finish or anything, just that they're there one moment then gone, leaving you with nigh irreversable damage.
They really handled this entire story abhorrently. This video SUCKED
@@ceruvelt8073 I mean, outside of the way they talked about the dad, I felt it was done rather well.
Having read it, I don't think some of the stuff they left out was NEARLY as bad as they led on. They made it sound like it turned into a borderline snuff film when in reality it just showed the ugliness of CSA without prioritizing "reader comfort" over conveying its message.
Spence and Matt didn't get to have the luxury of things being "ambiguous" and "implicit", and neither do any real-world CSA victims.
Still, their lack of empathy for spence (and even omission of Matt empathizing with his father after that night) is all really REALLY unfair and kind of shows they don't fully get the severity and impact of CSA, let alone what happened to his father. Not only does he know what would happen if he retaliated and what Tommy would do to his wife and children afterwards, but Tommy is also HIS abuser, and after both things that happened to him in childhood he almost certainly experiences a sort of regression to the state of a helpless child around him. Which also explains why the author notes how shy and soft spoken his dad is even before Tommy shows up.
@@ceruvelt8073"And the explicit CSA scene was written and structured like a typical pornhub video, and they didn't seem to understand how gross that part was? They only said it was unnecessary, and I have no idea how you can't talk about that. That's honestly pretty suspicious"
??? Idk what you're trying to imply, but I don't like it.
I mean, you can go read it. I think the "Cornhub" comment came from the words used in Spence's scene, and yeah it was a bit jarringly profane. Moreso that the writer continued to use the F-word after Tommy said it instead of describing it in a less crass way. Imagineing a like dude in is mid 50s discussing CSA trauma and saying "I had heard of F***ing from kids at school" was admittedly a bit weird and borderline silly.
But the actual contents are more just really depressing and gross than explicit.
However, yeah, the way they described it I though it was gonna be WAY more extreme before I read it. Especially when they said it seemed to be mainly for shock value (which it wasn't).
@warbossgegguz679 I'm meaning the scene read like some weird fanfiction, not like horror because it wasn't shown how badly it affects the protagonist mentally, and it doesn't get brought up again in the story. I know that's not the intention, but it makes it nauseating to read because it's framed wrong. I just wish the both of them pointed that out more. They just said it was "unnecessary"
@@ceruvelt8073 if you read it as a fantasy, that says more about you than the story imo.
I think its just very matter of fact.
I fell asleep while listening to this and woke up to Hunter and Isaiah screaming and saying "DON'T READ THAT QUOTE NO!" now I'm really curious but I have to start again 😭
On the topic of worst character, it is, with no doubt in my mind, the father from borrasca. The implication is that he WAS the one violating his OWN DAUGHTER and sold her into that situation. This father sucks, but it isn't any contest
Agreed. Considering her kid's (that was given to that shopowner)name started with W and the first names usually start the same as their father's, it's def him who was violating her, most likely keeping her as his private pet. I don't think you can do worse than that as a father.
Not that it makes a difference but it wasnt his daughter exactly since no one in borrasca could have children right? He was a very evil equivalenr of a farmer raising lambs for slaughter
@@patient_6925Yes, she was. He moved to that town with his family
@@patient_6925 they moved into borrasca town after the 2 kids were born
Everyone, someone has to tell them that the dad from Borasca didn’t just sell his daughter into slavery. He was actively abusing her himself.
Yep and the majority of her babies had defects which led to her untimely disposal.
This is really what frustrates me about these two silly gooses. Spence doesnt even touch Borasca dad level of evil. Spence is just negligent and then wanted to protect his wife from the same fate that his mother did, and not allow his kids to grow up without a dad.
@@miyumixxx but there was no reason for him to have kids. Like even with repressed trauma I don’t see much of an excuse for it
@yoshikagekira1719 I think they're about on par with each other. They both knowingly made choices that directly harmed their children. Like bro, how can you have kids KNOWING what they're going to experience. It's awful
@@yoshikagekira1719
Well to be fair, my parents knew they had generational trauma and genetic conditions that would likely be passed down to their kids, and still had kids anyways.
The story is a depiction of something similar. People will likely have kids, despite knowing the terrible outcomes that could occur. Humans are silly creatures, we like to wish for the best, despite knowing the risks that are more likely to occur.
This dad and the borrasca dad are not even in the same tier list let alone same tier. The borrasca dad is the equivalent of Tommy form this story.
Yeah, especially after reading part 5. Which, I think they should totally revisit and read, it's worth it
The comedy coping mechanism is very appreciated for lightening an awfully horrifying story
"Just deal with Tommy when he respawns. How hard could it be?"
Tommy when he respawns: >:c
You gotta admit, an AU where the neighborhood from the prequel just turns into a warzone every 2 weeks when Tommy's respawn time is up would be hilarious.
@@kyngslinn 'hey Hun, it's a Tommy day tomorrow right?' 'No sweetie, the Smiths from number 5 got him with their minefield remember?, he's coming back in a couple weeks.' 'ohh you're right, you're right. Remind me to thank them for that when we see them next'
@@kyngslinnhonestly if you made it into some kind of story where he returns and they kill him like a ritual every time, but somehow he convinces a kid that he’s good and breaks the cycle of him being killed every time he returns
@@diskeyes
Get to writing. Chop Chop.
Tommy reminds me of the terrifier in that way
Its so bittersweet that you guys think the father from borrasca only sold his daughter, he was an active participant in her suffering, its implied that the father was the one she was forced to have a baby with, as the babies name starts with a W, meaning it was the main characters father that helped make the child, but its also implied that she was the mother as yhe daughter was the only pregnant female character that was emphasized
They know they probably just forgot
@@theroachden6195or blocked out lol
And he did it REPEATEDLY, since it's clearly stated she was only his, and that the babies came out all wrong. And there was no supernatural threat. No immortal demon made him do that to Whitney. He just wanted to.
A lot of people are saying this in the comments, and while it was kinda blatantly said less than implied, all of that came from part 2, which I don't think they've read. The first part only says that he sold Whitney and allowed her to be abused
yeah they're a bit stupid but that's why i like them
The author should have the Dad say, "you're both adopted...we thought he wouldn't know." To make him seem less negligent
maybe they just didnt know, until tommy knocked on their door.
@@garden6008 WHAT DO YOU MEAN?!? The father was LITERALLY told that it would happen.
@@anitaremenarova6662my theory is that they already had their kids by the time they realized that tommy was coming back to others from their town.
@@anitaremenarova6662 sorry I commented before they read part 2.
@@Claire-hv4vq Another poor soul that has not yet gotten far enough to realize it was just bad writing.
Tommy reminds me of *The Judge* from _Blood Meridian,_ not sure if this is intentional but the parallels of a seemingly timeless entity, that is uncanny in appearance capable of switching in and out of "teacher of life" to horrible, overbearing, unstopping predator with a horrible draw towards children that never goes away over the years is a type of horror that I can't get over.
I think having Tommy come and go with no purpose and no mark is a good way to portray abuse. It happened and now it’s over. It just happens to you and then time keeps moving
Kinda like how when trauma happens to you, it feels like the world has completely STOPPED. But in reality, time keeps going.
To cleanse the palate with some good, classic, spooky cabin in the woods story, please do “Stolen Tongues” AKA “Romantic cabin getaway with my fiancee” next!
I will shriek with happiness the day that finally happens
@@AlessaParker we’ve been waiting so long. This is one of nosleep’s classics like Borrasca or Penpal (not saying it’s as good as those but for sure as much of a classic within the community). Super surprised none of the boys even mentioned it yet.
god please, we've been begging for this since Penpal
That just sounds like redditor Evil Dead.
I request this story on almost all of the episodes! One of my favorites!
I think one big thing that CreepCast missed here is what happened to the grandmother, post the grandfathers sacrifice. Like yes, the father in the story should have never had kids after the sacrifice, sure, but they keep saying he should go out like a man and try to kill this literally unkillable monster, ignoring what would happen to his wife. We watched the Grandmother turn into a shell of herself, hollowed out and forced to sleep in this bed beside this monster that likely did unspeakable things to her, if the crying is anything to go off of, and that's a fate infinitely worse than death, but an actual death clearly makes it worse for those who are left. The father dying a futile death doesn't solve anything at all, and we can see that the mother in that story at least walked away in a better condition than the grandmother did, since this is such an unavoidable fate regardless of actions taken, and if both parents died useless deaths there's no telling what would happen to the kids.
Again, should've never had kids, and that's the part that makes him super hateable. But as a monster who is built on the idea of generational trauma, it's also hard to tell an entire neighborhood to just never reproduce or marry for fear of an accidental pregnancy. I think the story would've worked better if the parents tried to game the system and adopt, because it at least gives a level of plausible deniability, and then his actions could've been from the trauma and remorse, wanting to avert the worst parts of his parents, and his own, fates by giving into the monsters every demand. Very excited to see the next part, and hopefully the author learned from audience feedback, because he nearly had the perfect formula, if he just would've cut a few very unnecessary scenes out.
Might be a weird comparison, but it reminds me of a scene from the anime Vinland Saga S2 where the deuteragonist's mother and sister are killed by slave traders and he has to bite back his desire to fight back and take revenge at the cost of his own life, because he ultimately understands that his family would have wanted him to live, and wouldn't have gained anything from such a "sacrifice"
Yeah they definitely missed the mark a little bit. There were so many takes that were built upon surface level emotions and for the dad to just "be a man" and die for no reason lmao.
@@ForeHead.I don't see this at all. He literally let that horrific thing happen to his wife instead of just killing tommy and preparing for whenever he comes back. He let his wife, daughter and son get sexually abused because he was too scared to do anything. He's a coward
@xrphoenix7194 fighting back against tommy does nothing but ensure his own death and make the lives of his family worse. Idk how you cant understand that.
@@xrphoenix7194 You literally can't do anything, and that's the point of the story. He watched his father be all but crucified in the front yard for his attempt, they literally shot him in the head, which reminder did nothing at all, then burned him alive, and he still came back to make it worse on the community. You have an immortal entity, that can be in many places at the same time, with super human strength that an average grown man can't seemingly overcome, and a temper that easily flares, terrorizing your family. If you die to him, your wife is immediately subjected to a much worse fate than she would have been, over a much longer period of time, much more consistently. There's nothing you can do. It's such a tough situation, and the only quick way out is for you all to die.
A lot of horror movies recently have really created an audience that believe any force can be defeated, as if the father could just get a cross to run him off, or go ask a priest with a shotgun to deal with the problem, but this is a problem that can't be dealt with conventionally, or seemingly at all. If you have a solution to defeat the immortal, feel free to suggest it, but at the point in the story we're in there's nothing the father can do, as he can't even physically stop this guy through any readily available means.
I desperately need a meatcanyon animation of Tommy Taffy showing up to the house and the kid eating the food in the background.
TW: CSA !
as a kid, my mom was dating someone who was a tommy taffy.
it’s not easy to stand up for yourself in those situations, let alone when you are a child.
when you’re to do as told, you do it. when you feel like you are to tear apart an entire family if anyone were to find out, you stay quiet. how could i break my moms heart? my dad would kill him for sure, all the kids @ school would judge me, etc…
but. i told my mom. I was able to tell her the truth, and he left.
(truly lucky i was able to get justice btw)
i remember one night she told me the same thing happened to her as a kid, and she never told a soul. my heart still breaks to hear this but i’m just proud to say that her and i were able to break some generational trauma together.
FUCK TOMMY TAFFY
Ugh, I feel and HATE that! My dad was the victim of a Catholic priest in a foster home, so when I was SA’d as a child, it reopened infected wounds for him…. For my mom, as well, it would seem, though she would reveal that truth to me when I was much older… I felt bad for feeling rage on her behalf, but that’s my kind, lovely mom! I can’t imagine anyone harming her in such a way!
Either way, good on you for being such a good daughter! YOU didn’t ruin anything, your abuser did!
Even batman wouldnt get this info out of me on a YT comment section
@@Yaktobthis is not the thread for using such a joke brotherman
"Batman couldn't get this info (CSA survivor) out of me" is just unironically yucky
@@Yaktobseriously disgusting reply. this person is sharing a vulnerable experience to them in a relevant video, contributing to the discussion. internalising things is always worse then speaking about them, whether batman is there or not...
@@Yaktob You’d really be so ashamed in something you have no fault in? Says more about YOU than anyone else, dude.
57:18 the dad from Borrasca participated in it. That’s why the sister’s kid’s name was William and that’s why the kid had birth defects. It’s also confirmed in the fifth part.
Pretty sure the dad said she was exclusively to be his and why she had produced so many “shit” babies
@barklols yes. I believe the dad wanted to be the only one with her, as a sick sort of "protection" from the other men.
@@napoleontheafromite I don’t think it was protection as much as he wanted to be the only one that “had” her ever. Which is quite frankly even more revolting to think of
@@mariaposs7019 Oh for sure, I definitely agree it's more of a selfish thing. I'm mainly going off a memory of there being a line in the story somewhere that mentions "protecting her" or "knowing she'll be treated right" or something like that. I could be wrong though.
@@napoleontheafromite oh for sure that makes sense I think he does probably justify it that way.
hearing isaiah being so mad that he just says "please kill yourself" is so surreal
I find it hilarious that he thinks hes so pious that he wont say cuss words but now hes saying kill yourself as if thats not worse.
@@daddykratos-8You’re quite simply conflating an issue with vocabulary with one of morals.
It’s not up to you to decide someone else’s morals and religious beliefs.
I find it hilarious a random TH-camr lives rent free in your head over something so mundane.
@@chilledburrito Nope, it doesn't make sense. If you think the word "fuck" is morally wrong but not telling someone to kill themselves then you're just a fucking idiot. Wendigoon doesn't live rent free in my head, I watched a video with him in it then had a thought about said video. There's a reason the comments section exists on videos.. So people can talk about it. Try to think harder next time before you say something retarded.
@@chilledburritohe doesn’t swear because of his Christian morals explicitly.
@@Abysalss Christians believe in forgiveness and are often very anti s*icide, so though I still like Isaiah, it did feel very hypocritical and honestly insensitive to say something so horrible. Like the whole thing of Christianity is about second chances and not judging others as that is supposed to be left for God. It just seems like he is picking and chooses which parts to take seriously, which is questionable. I am not Christian, so I will gladly judge him for doing this haha
I think that a good chunk of us, in the audience, have been victims of some sort of CSA and that you two reading stories like these unconsciously helps us cope. Like, you guys are a safe space, and it's soothing and validating (at least for me) to see you have the reaction I wish the adults around me would've had at the time. I could be totally wrong, but that's why I think we keep suggesting those stories.
I'm a victim and I am personally fuckin disgusted but ok
How do you guys find CP cathartic?
This is a pretty unhealthy coping mechanism, hope you get better.
I need to admit something about myself, I used to scroll through ruke 34 and e621. I eventually stopped because I would see someone make a sick and twisted story like this for them to get their rocks off to. Stuff like this is what made me stop my addiction, so for people like you to call something like this anything remotely similar to "therapy" is just sickening. You need real therapy, not borderline CP.
@@addison_v_ertisement1678 Congratulations on overcoming an addiction it's a very difficult thing to do.
There are two things that would have really, really made this story shine, for me.
1. I wish Spencer, the dad, had focused more on the pain of not having his father around during Tommy’s first reign. I think it would’ve added a lot of nuance to how he won’t sacrifice himself for his kids - “How could I be so selfish as to deprive my kids of a father, just so I could feel like a hero?” Even if you don’t agree with that logic, having Spencer clearly remember his grief - anger, maybe - at not having his dad around would have made his mindset much more understandable.
2. In the first part, it would be cool if Matt(?), the son, had said his thoughts about his dad’s decision to have children. If his dad never had children, after all, Matt would never get to exist. I mean, that’s actually an interesting question: Does the miracle of getting to exist outweigh those five years of suffering? Is life worth that? That would be such an interesting question for the story to pose. Perhaps the dad even thought that way: “Tommy may come for my children, but I think it will be worth it, because my kids will get to experience life.” Again, you totally don’t have to agree with that, but it would have been way better than simply having the dad be a colossal dumbass.
Edit: I haven’t read the other two parts, by the way. Maybe they bring this up! Who knows!
These are really good points, and I just finished reading the other two parts and regretfully must inform you that they were not touched on at all lol (save for Matt like, barely musing on his fathers choice)
That first point is extremely compelling. What’s worse - An absent father that died trying to protect you when he knew it was hopeless? Or a father that complies and stands by, but is still *there* to be a father figure and so Tommy isn’t *sleeping in your mother’s bed*?
Honestly, of the two evils, I’d probably pick the latter and say the father is justified for trying to play along.
Now obviously this is all ignoring the fact he shouldn’t have had kids in the first place and it’s a question that never should have had to be asked imo, but nonetheless it’s very interesting.
Damn good point man, both of them. You changed my mind on both subjects. The story would benefit alot from these as well as Goon and Meat's idea of cutting out the CSA being spoon fed to the reader.
I think it would have been better if Taffy never said "Your little ones ill get 5 years as well". Then the dad could only put two and two together, and realize it's a generational curse when Taffy showed up for for his kids.
Exactly what I was thinking. I was getting kinda mad at them because they just wanted a hero dad sacrifice, without thinking that the kids would have to go on without a dad for 5 years against Tommy, and aftet that, living with no father for the rest of their lives. Put on top that the father knew it was futile to try and kill Tommy, knew the pain of growing up without a dad, it would of been bad writing imo.
I think its important to take into account that the author themselves is an actual survivor of CSA, so i dont personally see those moments of 'too much' as like, shock value, but rather just their way of eaither venting or dealing eirh their own personal trauma, not wanting to make it 'more palatable' as was described
People are great advocates when they don't have to deal with the ugly stuff.
The fact most people are ranting and even "standing up for victims" calling the story exploitative and shock value while not knowing that it's based on real lived experience is both hilarious and really tragic.
@@warbossgegguz679 it's actually very petty, most of these snowflakes really have never went through something traumatic at all or even read Creepypastas before and it shows, they just want censor everything the same way youtube does
@@beyondthelimit6800 Thankfully most of the initial comments ranting about it are buried. And the fact people started pointing this out probably contributed to that.
It's petty, but I really hope people who were complaining the author was doing it all for shock-value and edge feel like complete A-hole after they find out he's an ACTUAL CSA survivor, not a hypothetical one.
I'm normally used to voicing my opinions and still being shot down to the effect of "well, not every DV victim is like you!" Now, they're calling a story literally based on a CSA survivor's lived experiences insensitive. Again, equal parts funny and tragic.
@@warbossgegguz679 dude I'm seeing you EVERYWHERE and every single point you're making is literally spot on bro
@@Chrryc0la I never really cared or liked a story from creepcast as much as this, because it speaks to some personal stuff and also addresses a topic with an actual message... so yeah I admit I'm kind of white knighting it, lol.
the story: *says Tommy’s eyes are blue 300 different times*
Hunter drawing thumbnail: “yellow eyes it is..”
omg just like sans undertale
He's already half Xehanort
@@dirtpeanut1820 This fucking sentence gave me war flashbacks.
Sometimes when dealing with the embodiment of CSA you just gotta be passive aggressive.
Yellow eyed demons you say…….*Supernatural squint*
Totally 100% get your perspective but I think showing that scene in miserable detail adds to the horror. If you're left to imagine it, you can sanitize it to your liking. I do think it's effective. But that's just me, and I'm also not sure which version of the story you're reading. As with most nosleeps/creepypastas, it got rewrite that added a lot of things that actually cut the horror of that moment by making it seem fake. The original version was disgustingly real. Which is the point. Tommy Taffy isn't some supernatural being; he's simply a metaphor for abuse. Ignore it. Don't talk about it. Pretend it's not there. Put on a happy face for everyone.
This remains the one story that lives in my head rent-free.
Dude we can talk about child abuse without using the same verbiage and style as smut or fanfiction. This wasn’t reading as gruesome but a dude who needs his hard drive checked. You’d be surprised how many stories like this are written by creeps lol.
I’m trying to find where I can read an unedited copy, do you have any suggestions?
"I helped their parents raise them" - boy that line is a punch to the gut, because it's the return of a childhood trauma for the parents, which makes it feel like the parents are just as vulnerable as the kids now, and I mean literally makes it feel like they will revert to a child-like state and be incapable of truly protecting their own children as they barely hold it together.
Thats the line they just kept ignoring. They keep saying how much they hate the dad, for not doing anything, but clearly it's more than that. This thing traumatized him, since he was a child.
@@IchbinX to be fair, while that line was great the story failed to really deliver on it and the prequel kind of defanged it completely.
We get more horrific implications from whatever happened to the mother in the basement than from anything that happened to the father in the original or the prequel, moreover what happened in the prequel was basic gore (and creep behavior), while what happened to the mother didn't even leave a mark. By all accounts the mother went through something far worse than the father.
Now, had the father experienced some kind of prolonged psychological horror/torture that we only got some vague implications about that would've worked much better, however the format of the story being a kind of roleplay of people recounting online something they've gone through makes the delivery of that hard, which is exactly why it worked better with the mother.
What could've saved it, is if in the original story we got more about the father being docile, flinching, constantly uneasy and afraid, just full on abuse victim behavior to the point where he reverts to childlike behavior in some ways he'd seek comfort. But the prequel story would be almost impossible to write because you have to somehow both "want to share the story" and simultaneously omit the true horror so it is still left to the readers imagination.
But as things stand, while that line was great, ultimately I agree with Hunter and Wendigoon, the father just ended up being weak. Yeah he saw his own father skewered on the front lawn, but that's not enough to let this thing walk all over you and (presumably) sexually assault your daughter. It would take FAR MORE than what the prequel gave to completely override parental instincts in such a scenario, the dad can't be just sitting bruised outside the bedroom, he has to be physically untouched, cowering under his own bed sucking on his thumb humming a lullaby to himself for us to buy that he is too broken to protect his own children.
good point
2:04:15 I think it’s important to note that if he went out like his father, his wife would have most likely have been SA’d and Taffy would be sleeping with her. I think him not dying protected his wife.
Exactly, I always saw it as a 'resistance in any way is completely futile' like aside from killing the kids you can't stop it, even if you die he's still gonna be there and now you aren't there to comfort them. Good job making it 1000x worse.
Yea idk why they went so insanely hard on him we’re talking about a man who saw his father mutilated in front of him and heard his mothers SA every single night for years. He clearly wanted his children to have it to the least so he could at the very least comfort them
@@satboi2734 because sitting outside of your daughters room while she's being sa'd is such a...i can't even imagine it. as a parent you'd do anything, you'd die fighting if that's what it took. if we got more backstory of them, perhaps that'd make it a little easier to understand, but we don't. we get this man doing nothing as his family is tortured.
@@mika-si7fu we do get the dads backstory he learned what happens when you disobey he saw it first hand with his own father right in front of him and he tried to stop him we have no idea what Tommy did to him when he tried to stop I doubt he just beat him a little that would be the light thing he’s ever done. He saw what happens when Tommy kills you it gets worse if he died right there his wife would be with Tommy every single night until he left.
@@mika-si7fu except dying would do nothing besides leaving the kids without a father because we saw that Tommy doesn't stop until his time is up
Hunter and Isaiah should make a shirt that says "Creep on Creepin on" with them in a car heading up to a fork in the road. Isaiah pointing left while hunter points right.
(Could add a little road sign that says wintery bay pointing to the left but wintery is crossed out with weatherly written over it)
The only merch I’ll accept lmao
I’d buy it lol
I’ve always viewed Tommy’s final line for Spencer as a command, not a warning. His kids WILL get 5 years. And that was a curse placed on Spencer. I also saw Spencer’s cowardice as a form of protection. If he fought back, he would’ve died, then Tommy would’ve had free rein over his wife and kids. He followed suit because he seemed to be able to at least keep his family on Tommy’s good side and negotiate punishments.
Both of my parents had abusive, alcoholic parents. My parents never struck us or drank but there was verbal and emotional abuse. Now my brothers are raising their kids with gentleness, kindness and encouragement. Breaking a generational curse can be done.
The part that's missing is that in the story, Tommy's victims never work through their trauma. They're just told to keep it a secret, never tell anyone he is/was there, and just pretend like it never happened no matter how deep the scars are.
My dad was also the same sort of person as your parents, though thankfully my mother and step-father (who I hate having to call that) aren't. At the same time we've gone through YEARS of therapy and counseling to get to this. I want to do the same thing when I have kids... but you can't get there without addressing what happened.
I took a horror film class in college and something that stuck out to me is a quote (I will butcher) in our reading that stated, "Horror can talk about the darkest parts of humanity in a way that no other genre can." It shows how nothing is off-limits to horror because boundaries are non-existent in a way that makes us uncomfortable. If we were unsettled and uncomfortable in by something we consider unimaginable, it did it's job in horrifying us. I think it's a great story.
This is exactly why I love horror, nothing else speaks about the bad in this world the way that genre does. It SHOULD make people uncomfortable because a lot of it is real and happens daily, if it didn't disgust us then this world would be a whole lot worse
exactly. that's why I think that the explicit scenes are, while not necessary, something important to the message of the story. when horror is depicting the most disgusting and terrifying parts of reality, there should be no holding back. those stories are written to tell those dark realities and truths, and it is supposed to scare and make the reader uncomfortable and disgusted. while yes, the story could have gone without the scene, I think the author's main priority was the message of the story, not the neatness or flow of the story, and as a horror writer myself, I respect that
@slimely9758 totally agree I think as critical readers you do have to take a step back and look at why the author put that in not just say oh it's too explicit and say cut it out. These guys clearly like the more open ended stuff but this style of horror also has its merits
Very true! I love that horror exists to help people explore these dark and uncomfortable subject matters, especially if it can be used as a way to generate conversation and get people to become better people/encourage us to treat each other better. That said, I'm also a big supporter of disclaimers in front of stories like these, and I'm thankful this story has them.
Someone who has experienced these horrors and still healing from their trauma shouldn't be re-traumatized for the sake of others learning/talking about dark and uncomfortable subject matter - and disclaimers can be a part of the conversation so that people are aware of what they're about to get into.
@@Scarshadow666 I agree. A lot can be said about the story but I think it generally is symbolic of sexual abuse and it's continuation through people that've experienced it. (Not that the people who have are always bad, I want to be careful with that.)
This is the audience's revenge on Isaiah for Borrasca
The really funny thing is that the whole subreddit was warning them to NOT read it.
Jesus... I love Wendigoon, but his exaggerated, drawn out outward "me sad me mad" act during that episode was f*cking insufferable.
@@stevenhetzel6483or maybe it’s not acted out he’s just normal
@@stevenhetzel6483that’s how normal people react
I had experienced Borrasca twice before via no sleep podcast and then the audio drama on Spotify, seeing the boys get their souls scorched was great .
cannot describe how badly i needed that WWE bit listening to this so intently
((SPOILER WARNING FOR BORRASCA))
they keep talking about how the father from borrasca "just" sold his daughter into sex slavery, but let's be very clear, he was also an active participant in the deal and HE was the only one that impregnated his own daughter, Whitney. that was why Prescott said she "only put out shit babies" because they were all inbred. and that was why the last baby before her death was named "William". "K" for Killian, "P" for Prescott, and "W" for Walker. Graham Walker is still the unquestionably most MONSTROUS character in all of CreepCast history.
(edit: spelling error fix. oopsie)
Jeez, I dont know how I missed that.
monstrous*
Also Prescott's probably worse.
I’m surprised they didn’t read the comment section telling them about it actually
@@sirznafter reading the sequel to Borrasca, I’d argue the Walker is worse
I think that was only revealed in the parts they didn't read but I could be misremembering
idk why but i visualized tommy as sheldon cooper for this and it made his creepy pervy scenes a lot more effective but his scary murderer scenes a lot more hilarious
The main character pressing his ear to the basement door while his mom is being assaulted, hearing crying and the occasinal "Bazinga!". Horrifying.
@@3incati 😭STOP YOU CAN'T SAY THAT
@@keks3072I CANT🤣
I visualized an adult Balloon Boy.
Like, same outfit, just on a mannequin.
I visualized him as a human version of Bill Cipher. It didn’t help that I visualized the main kids as Dipper and Mabel. 😰
I think that they have blocked out how vile the father from borrasca actually is as a character. He sold his daughter into it, killed her, then participated in the underground rape machine. That’s actually comically evil.
Did he kill her? I haven’t finished it only read 1-2 I know he used her and only her
@@Alex-xi4bg
The dad abused her because he “couldn’t stand the idea of someone (else) doing that to her.” Prescott (I think?) decided to have her killed after she had the last baby, even though he knew it would make the sheriff angry.
Yes, it's implied that she is disposed of the same way the other girls did once she gave birth to the last baby.
@@composerrobin8033not only that but he fathers her last child before feeding her to the machine
When I read Tommy Taffy in middle school, I felt sick for weeks. What I understood from refusing him, was that if you did, he only did what he wanted, but worse and more aggressively.
The way my heart sank when the mom came out without any visible damage but was limping. The way the author portrayed was happened is just horrific
Yeah I don’t get that, what did Tommy do?
@@Dimpzz it's heavily implied he raped the mom.
@@Dimpzzgrow up or don't wtach this video if you are this naive. I thought children aren't allowed on youtube? Go to youtube kids.
@@DimpzzHe SAed her.
@@ProCrastinatorJay sadly yes it seems that as one commenter points out that he is like the living embodiment of domestic abuse matches up with it
Isaiah talking about if its a demon that has your wife, you take your kids outside tell them to run and burn that house down and I'm getting Supernatural flashbacks
Dean get Sammy and go outside!
Meanwhile Mary: 🔥 💃 🔥
Just finished the story on Spotify.
I have some of my own recommendations that are not fucked up like this, borasca or penpal.
"I think my grandfather might be a serial killer. "
"These are the rules to follow to survive the line. "
"I'm a swat officer that was called to a locked down school. "
"Someone has been standing outside my house for over a year."
"My job is watching a woman trapped inside a room."
I tried the line one but I just couldn't get into it, I really liked the idea of the 'my job is to watch a woman' one though, I was just looking for something more spooky at the time, so I didn't finish it. Thank you for not mentioning the wife peeking around corners one, it's written as badly as some of the other audience picks that they've done so far
@@RealElongatedMuskratim with both of yall fr, the swat school one is one i think wendigoon would like
ty for recommendations
I loved “Someone standing outside..” pretty profound message even if pretty easy to spot early on
Over a year is really good
I love how somehow them talking about the children getting WWE'D is the thing that calms them down.
babe wake up creepcast has a new borrasca type episode
say cap right now
No NO NOOOOO
Oh fuck no are you for real
I think this one is notably worse than borrasca personally
Very encouraging thing to see as the first comment when i open the video up.
One thing about the dad that i think you guys got wrong. You mentioned that the grandfather gave the dad the gift of life by trying to stop Tommy. But really all that happened was Tommy took over, abused the mother and the child and nothing changed. I think that shows why the father didn't do much to stop tommy because he knows no matter what he does Tommy will still be there to abuse his children and wife, so his only way to get through it is to wait for Tommy to leave and try to rebuild after. It's frustrating hearing a father let something do that to his children but also not wanting to leave his children alone with that monster. Now that doesnt excuse the decision to have kids knowing that was the fate so the dad still is stupid for that reason.
Also, Borasca pt5 was meh to me. I wont spoil it but compared to the original story it just kinda didnt land right in my opinion.
The first half of part 5 was eh and slow but the ending is definitely satisfying and a good conclusion
Part 5 is a mess.
In the dad’s defense, if he rebelled against Tommy, Tommy would “raise” the kids alone for 5 years where they would be subjected to the same torture. So wouldn’t it be better for them all to live?
I think the point is why have them at all
@@MrIanMatthewI’ve seen a few people mention it but it could be something that’s influenced them after. Like part of the lesson’s imprints in their brain to have kids. Or if they take steps to prevent it and I happens anyway.
There's really not deep enough lore. As far as we know Tommy can't even drive and he has to be killed to come back. Theoretically they could've just locked him in a freezer and than caught the next flight to Hawaii. What's Tommy gonna do buy a plane ticket? Swim across the ocean? I feel like they gave up so quickly
@@Endzdeville I mean we did hear in it he was in multiple places at once. What if the 2 weeks was him giving them a false sense of security before he taught the lesson to really hammer home they aren’t safe. The fun thing with interpretation is everyone has their own :)
@@Endzdeville what if he just appears? I think it’s vague on purpose to add fear
Remember the Left-Right Game guys! Remember how fun and cool that story was guys.. haha.. guys?
The dad from Borrasca wins the "worst father of the year" award, no competition. The dad from Borrasca actively violated and assaulted his daughter for years and then he impregnated her when he found out that she was going to be killed. This dad has clearly experienced the same trauma as his children are facing - if not worse - and all of his actions in the story are influenced by repressed trauma. There's no such thing as a perfect victim, and people who have been victims of abuse or C/SA don't always react the way you expect to in a given situation. I grew up in a abusive home environment, and I can sympathize with his cowardice; the idea that being too afraid to stop abuse because of your own trauma is somehow worse than actively assaulting your own daughter just comes across as victim-blaming to me.
Yea I gotta be honest
Ethier Wendi and Papameat are blocking out that part or they never made the connection
Hopefully now they will
You put my thoughts into words so eloquently, thank you.
It takes years of therapy to even feel confident enough to stand up against an abuser from your childhood, especially if it was a parent/guardian.
@@BlueMoonSamurai That depends on the person. Sometimes we stand up during the abuse. I did, and luckily that did make the person start to back off. Some people aren't as lucky. Regardless, it's wrong to say no one has that fight in em until years of therapy.
@@aliceiscalling I didn't mean to make a generalization, I was mostly talking from my experience and the experiences of other people I know. Obviously, everyone processes abuse differently during and after.
What if instead of “Tommy Taffy” his name was “Tommy Freaky” and instead of- …oh..
😂
What if instead of tommy taffy his name was Tommy freaky and he dropped anvils on people's heads and had wwe matches in the basement
Literally the entire subreddit was begging this not to happen
If they didn’t want this story to be covered then they should have just shut up about it.
They also RECOMMENDED "the thing in the basement is getting better at mimicking people" and "Gr3gory88".
So the takeaway is to do the opposite of what they say.
@@warbossgegguz679I actually like Gregory88
@@warbossgegguz679 Hey! "The thing in the basement Is getting better at mimicking people" was funny
@@warbossgegguz679 The story is cringe, but Dark Somnium's reading of it was actually pretty good.
Having grown up with a physically abusive parent (no CSA or anything like that), this story did a very good job at conveying that feeling of being forced to live with someone that abuses you and your family. The bear scene was very reminiscent of something my dad did once.