This is the scene that got me hooked on OLTL. I didn't know VIki's history and I was mesmerized by Erika Slezak's incredible performance. It's sheer melodrama played to perfection. I miss this kind of soap writing. Andrea Evans was perfect too, Just classic soap stuff!
I started watching in the Summer of 1984. This storyline started around that time. I was hooked immediately. OLTL has always been my favorite because of this storyline. When Vicki again suffered alters in 1995 was the only storyline that rivaled this.
Love when Viki says "daddy" with such contempt. This clip makes you wonder if they were hinting even back then that Viki had other alters besides Niki. She's really off the rails here, and some of her behavior is very similar to Tommy, Jean, and Princess.
My gosh, such a great scene. I still have this and many of the episodes of OLTL on VHS. This scene is so incredible. I would have that type of blind status visual pressure seeing the same thing in my line of vision. It's the worst feeling ever.
Again, OLTL's BEST ongoing story (besides the Dorian/Viki rivalry) is Viki's relationship with "Father." So, twisted, complicated, heartbreaking, strange, et al. And little Miss Tina comes back to town to begin to chip away at the truth about Victor Lord.
And we should have all realized something was up when Viki was referencing Dorian about Victor -- "my father, a man she tried to steal from me. She tried to keep him all to herself ..." That was just a little telling and a little creepy, as if Viki was talking about a lover. So, perhaps even then the writers were planting little seeds. And yes, about those lines over Tina's face, at first I thought there was something wrong with the screen! LOL Obviously, Viki is beginning to split.
Very few actors can make you feel their character's rage. Eric Braeden comes to mind. Also James Kiberd when he was playing Trevor on AMC. Among others.
And the Emmy goes too .. erika won an emmy for this. I just dont know if it's her first or second. Viki really really adored her dad. She went so far to send Dorian to death row 18 years later. Much later viewers like myself who only started to hear about victor lord very specifically was in 94 95 when I learned about irene & the kids Tina & todd & him abusing viki etc. Erika did an interview with foundations which is excellent & she said before victor was totally rewritten viki & her dad had a loving warm beautiful father child relationship onscreen his biggest fault was being too over protective & expecting the best from viki. Erika said the actor earnest graves would be turned over in his grave at what they did to victor. Interesting viki always gave tina a hard time but not todd . Victor jr she thought was todd & he died so fast afterwards when the truth about him happened. I wasnt watching when tony lord was on but I'm guessing bc it was a child her dad conceived before he married her mom she was ok with it ? Tina was the first big thing that rocked her world. I mean how would any of of feel if we found out our dad made a child with our 19 year old best friend? I pictured a couple close freinds at that age & it made me sick if they had a baby by my dad when my freind & I were only 19. Its dispicable & makes victor a dirty old man
No Tori wasn't here Tori came in Dorian house she manifest to open the secrets hidden to destroy victor n banner that was the perfect dad n business I think Tori had killed victor or thought she did but she never manifested into a person alter she was rage in viki n Dorian talking to Tommy woke Tori up remember she didn't even have a name
it seems that the incest was ALWAYS lurking off in the back ground of Victor and Victoria Lord's relationship even when Ernest Graves and Gillian Spencer were in the respective roles Victoria Lord went overboard in her worship and idelization of Victor Lord, it's a small wonder that she never got jelous if MEREDITH
@ManTexDal Tony is Viki and Merrie's half-brother (paternal) and full-cousin (maternal). Tony's mother Dorothy and Viki and Merrie's mother Eugenia were sisters.
Caleli, your correct in fact that's the ORIGINAL version of Victoria Lord/Niki Smith came from, it seems that when Eugenia (who was pregenat w/MEREDITH) and at the time a 5 yr old Victoria Lord saw her parents having a violent argument even pulling on her wrists Eugenia lost her balance and fell down the stairs Niki had made her first apperance to protect Victoria, before Eugneia went into premature labor and gave birth to MEREDITH before she died
No. Victor and Eugenia never divorced. His marriages went like this: Eugenia Randolph (widower) Irene Manning (divorced) Dorian Crame (widow) Viki, Merrie and Tina were his only legitimate children. Victor had 3 other children: He had an affair with his sister-in-law Dorothy Randolph and had a son, Tony, making him Viki and Merrie's half-brother and first cousin. Victor and Irene had an affair AFTER they divorced and she became pregnant with Victor Jr. and Todd.
@@brookehanley3659 Victor's Marriages: Eugenia Randolph (1942-59; dissolved by her death) Irene Manning (1961-69; divorced) Dorian Cramer (1975-76; annulled) Tina was born during their marriage (1962) while Todd and Victor Jr. were born after it (1970). Victor and Irene had a relationship after they divorced which resulted in Todd and Victor Jr.'s births.
Actually, Viki is the one that caused Tina to become what she did because she didn't want to share anything with her, even though Tina was entitled to it. Odd that she never really had this attitude with Tony, Todd, or Victor, JR., only Tina. Maybe it was because Viki only considered Meredith to he her one and only sister.
@@shaquana12hyatt It also probably had something to do with the guy they thought was Tina's dad; Ted Clayton. A few years earlier, he was drugging and conning Viki. I remember seeing part of that storyline when I was a child. So she probably felt it was another one of their cons to get her money. And then when she found our Dorian was involved, she really didn't believe it.
I only sort of watched OLTL when Antonio got his mother in law pregnant by accident. I knew Vicki had alters but never really saw them on the show. This was spooky.
Tony was, the first of Viki's HALF brother (her farther Victor had a one night stand with Dorthy Randolph before shipping off to WW 2) he came to town about a yr before Victor died (that first time) Dorian kept them apart so she could get her hands on Victor's money
@TheGPredator8211 Victor and Irene had an affair while he was married to Eugenia, Viki's mother and Tina was conceived. They divorced and then had another affair and Todd was conceived. The order of Victor's children is: Viki (with Eugenia), Merrie (with Eugenia), Tony (with Dorothy, Eugenia's sister and Viki's aunt, making him Viki and Merrie's half-brother AND cousin), Tina (with Irene), Todd (with Irene).
@PensiveCzar Then it must have been Eugenia's sister Dorthy Victor had the affair with because I know that Victor at least conceived one of his children while still married then had the GALL to think that Merrie wasn't his and Eugenia had an affair (so he let her die after her fall down the stairs)
I don't think you could even find any information on Dorothy anywhere. I don't even know if she was shown in flashbacks or what the relationship with her sister and nieces were. They completely forgot about her after Tony was killed. Then Tony was completely erased in favor of Todd (later Victor Jr.). At some point in the 2000s, they acted like Viki, Tina and Todd were Victor's only children. Never mentioned Tony or Merrie. Merrie had a son who was fathered by Dr. Larry Wolek and I think he was also a doctor so that's a nephew that Viki (and later Tina and Todd) could have been involved with. As for the Victor/Dorothy affair, it wasn't nearly as bad as Victor seducing a teenaged Irene Manning, marrying her, divorcing her and then getting her pregnant again or even marrying Dorian who was also Viki's age. Siblings sharing a partner is pretty common which is why it probably wasn't important. Remember that Kevin and Kelly had an affair while she was with Joey so that was also sort of like Victor/Eugenia/Dorothy (though Kevin and Kelly got together eventually)
I could be wrong, but i could have sworn in the late 90's or early 2000's they showed a flashback of Vikki walking into her dorm room and catching her father and Irene together. Do yo know anything about that?
while you watch this there are times when it looks the nikki almost come out, viccki starts to do the smiling and tuching here self that was a sign the nikki was on the way,
So curious how this whole situation would have played out if Joe Riley was alive. It may never have happened. Ted Clayton may stil have come to Llanview, but he wouldn't have neen able to con Vicki. Tina may not have gone back to California. If she did find out VIctor Sr. was her father, Vicki may have been more open to listening due to the influence of Joe.
Also, wouldn't Meredith have remembered Irene and Victor's affair as she was alive during that time? Granted, she was dead by this time, but you'd think she would have known something. Viki wasn't just the only one living in the Lord Manor.
T James Meredith i believe was in boarding school during this sorded period....she mentioned her dislike of being away from vicki and Lanview. So much.
I have always wondered how if things how been different, and Tina how shown MEREDITH that letter, how would MEREDITH have handdled the revelation about Victor and Irene ?
@ManTexDal o ok...so he was on the show before tina? well thanks for clearing that up! :) now didnt they re-write history that vikis DID was not caused because she saw victor with irene but because he sexually abused her? and @ one point i think they said it was caused by her having megan and the whole eterna storyline...
i do feel vicki's pain in life>> my mom's dad was like this in his life>> his wife was 4 yrs older then my mom was.. and he was a SICK MAN in his life!! i'm SHOCK my mom DIDN'T have SPLIT persons in her life like pore vicki did!! I LOVE MY MOM KEEPING IT ALL TOGETHER>>in her life>> like she did!! i don't think i could of.
My great grandfather molested my grandmother for years and in her lifetime developed mental Illness. So in a lot ways vikis character and her life reminds me a lot of my grandmother
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Andrea Evans was a great addition to this show. She also was one of the most beautiful daytime soap stars.
This is the scene that got me hooked on OLTL. I didn't know VIki's history and I was mesmerized by Erika Slezak's incredible performance. It's sheer melodrama played to perfection. I miss this kind of soap writing. Andrea Evans was perfect too, Just classic soap stuff!
I started watching in the Summer of 1984. This storyline started around that time. I was hooked immediately. OLTL has always been my favorite because of this storyline. When Vicki again suffered alters in 1995 was the only storyline that rivaled this.
Love when Viki says "daddy" with such contempt.
This clip makes you wonder if they were hinting even back then that Viki had other alters besides Niki. She's really off the rails here, and some of her behavior is very similar to Tommy, Jean, and Princess.
No. It was different writing regimes. And it was Robin Strasser who suggested the incest storyline.
This soap was so great in it's heyday.
My gosh, such a great scene. I still have this and many of the episodes of OLTL on VHS. This scene is so incredible. I would have that type of blind status visual pressure seeing the same thing in my line of vision. It's the worst feeling ever.
Oh, how I miss these classic episodes! Loved OLTL and Erika Slezak is sensational!
ES is very good in this emotional scene even when she is not speaking. Never saw this scene before. Great!
Again, OLTL's BEST ongoing story (besides the Dorian/Viki rivalry) is Viki's relationship with "Father." So, twisted, complicated, heartbreaking, strange, et al. And little Miss Tina comes back to town to begin to chip away at the truth about Victor Lord.
This is an amazing scene. Thank you so much for uploading. Classic :)
And we should have all realized something was up when Viki was referencing Dorian about Victor -- "my father, a man she tried to steal from me. She tried to keep him all to herself ..." That was just a little telling and a little creepy, as if Viki was talking about a lover. So, perhaps even then the writers were planting little seeds. And yes, about those lines over Tina's face, at first I thought there was something wrong with the screen! LOL Obviously, Viki is beginning to split.
It's easy too see why Erica kept winning Emmy after Emmy, I think 6 for best actress,very well deserved.
Vicky kind of scares me when she gets angry, Ericka is a fantastic actress
Very few actors can make you feel their character's rage. Eric Braeden comes to mind. Also James Kiberd when he was playing Trevor on AMC. Among others.
@@MRInvincible569 John Callahan, My he Rest In Peace
Viki getting angry is site to see cause it rarely happens but when it does she lights it up
Both Viki and Clint were scary when they were angry. Clint Ritchie was underrated.
Vicky and Tina do look like they could be sisters because they both have similar beautiful eyes and face shape,both such good actresses.
Erika is a good actress
And the Emmy goes too .. erika won an emmy for this. I just dont know if it's her first or second.
Viki really really adored her dad. She went so far to send Dorian to death row 18 years later. Much later viewers like myself who only started to hear about victor lord very specifically was in 94 95 when I learned about irene & the kids Tina & todd & him abusing viki etc. Erika did an interview with foundations which is excellent & she said before victor was totally rewritten viki & her dad had a loving warm beautiful father child relationship onscreen his biggest fault was being too over protective & expecting the best from viki. Erika said the actor earnest graves would be turned over in his grave at what they did to victor.
Interesting viki always gave tina a hard time but not todd . Victor jr she thought was todd & he died so fast afterwards when the truth about him happened. I wasnt watching when tony lord was on but I'm guessing bc it was a child her dad conceived before he married her mom she was ok with it ? Tina was the first big thing that rocked her world. I mean how would any of of feel if we found out our dad made a child with our 19 year old best friend? I pictured a couple close freinds at that age & it made me sick if they had a baby by my dad when my freind & I were only 19. Its dispicable & makes victor a dirty old man
@TheGPredator8211 Nope. Tina is actually older than Todd. They are not twins.
You can tell that Niki, Tommy, Jean Randolph, Princess, Tori, and the Persona of Victor Lord are all trying to come out in Viki right now.
+T James they were, when Vicki can't handle the REAL TRUTH of her soo called loving daddy, they would come out to keep Vicki safe in her life!!
No Tori wasn't here Tori came in Dorian house she manifest to open the secrets hidden to destroy victor n banner that was the perfect dad n business I think Tori had killed victor or thought she did but she never manifested into a person alter she was rage in viki n Dorian talking to Tommy woke Tori up remember she didn't even have a name
8:05...I think this is one of Viki's alters subtly coming out here.
it seems that the incest was ALWAYS lurking off in the back ground of Victor and Victoria Lord's relationship even when Ernest Graves and Gillian Spencer were in the respective roles Victoria Lord went overboard in her worship and idelization of Victor Lord, it's a small wonder that she never got jelous if MEREDITH
A Man Named Gillian.
Was Viki molested by Victor Lord her father?
@@m.e.d.7997 Yes.
@@naturallyash6130 why
@@cathylanders6377 A simple explanation is that he was a sick and twisted person. I'm sorry I can't offer more than that.
@ManTexDal Tony is Viki and Merrie's half-brother (paternal) and full-cousin (maternal). Tony's mother Dorothy and Viki and Merrie's mother Eugenia were sisters.
Caleli, your correct in fact that's the ORIGINAL version of Victoria Lord/Niki Smith came from, it seems that when Eugenia (who was pregenat w/MEREDITH) and at the time a 5 yr old Victoria Lord saw her parents having a violent argument even pulling on her wrists Eugenia lost her balance and fell down the stairs Niki had made her first apperance to protect Victoria, before Eugneia went into premature labor and gave birth to MEREDITH before she died
everytime Vicki would hurt in pain in her life, THEY would come out to keep her safe in her life.
Tommy came out when Viki said “Stop lying!”
No. Victor and Eugenia never divorced. His marriages went like this:
Eugenia Randolph (widower)
Irene Manning (divorced)
Dorian Crame (widow)
Viki, Merrie and Tina were his only legitimate children. Victor had 3 other children: He had an affair with his sister-in-law Dorothy Randolph and had a son, Tony, making him Viki and Merrie's half-brother and first cousin. Victor and Irene had an affair AFTER they divorced and she became pregnant with Victor Jr. and Todd.
So was Tina one of his children?
How long was he Married to Irene Manning?
@@brookehanley3659 Yes Tina was one of Victor's children.
RIP Andrea Evans
@@brookehanley3659 Victor's Marriages:
Eugenia Randolph (1942-59; dissolved by her death)
Irene Manning (1961-69; divorced)
Dorian Cramer (1975-76; annulled)
Tina was born during their marriage (1962) while Todd and Victor Jr. were born after it (1970). Victor and Irene had a relationship after they divorced which resulted in Todd and Victor Jr.'s births.
@@Goldenrod636 Did Viki know he was married to Irene Manning? Tina was born of that marriage?
Actually, Viki is the one that caused Tina to become what she did because she didn't want to share anything with her, even though Tina was entitled to it. Odd that she never really had this attitude with Tony, Todd, or Victor, JR., only Tina. Maybe it was because Viki only considered Meredith to he her one and only sister.
T James maybe because they were all boys and not girls. maybe because that was a terrible time for her
Or maybe because Tina looks like her mother Irene.
@@shaquana12hyatt It also probably had something to do with the guy they thought was Tina's dad; Ted Clayton. A few years earlier, he was drugging and conning Viki. I remember seeing part of that storyline when I was a child. So she probably felt it was another one of their cons to get her money. And then when she found our Dorian was involved, she really didn't believe it.
I only sort of watched OLTL when Antonio got his mother in law pregnant by accident. I knew Vicki had alters but never really saw them on the show. This was spooky.
thank you for posting-i recall as if it just aired!
it was NEVER proven that Meredith was NOT Victor's daughter, he THOUGHT it but they never clarified it
This was before my one life to live watching time.
I love the, "W....w...where," dialog. It is all in the minor details of dialog.....
Tony was, the first of Viki's HALF brother (her farther Victor had a one night stand with Dorthy Randolph before shipping off to WW 2) he came to town about a yr before Victor died (that first time) Dorian kept them apart so she could get her hands on Victor's money
Look at viki' s eyes. Scary.
R.I.P. Andrea. I had almost forgotten how good she was. She makes ES look hammy by comparison in this scene.
I think I saw a little Princess sobbing between the Viki/niki split.
OUT view more Tori then niki
When Viki starts to lose her eyesight, that was Jean coming out.
This is awesome
@TheGPredator8211 Victor and Irene had an affair while he was married to Eugenia, Viki's mother and Tina was conceived. They divorced and then had another affair and Todd was conceived. The order of Victor's children is: Viki (with Eugenia), Merrie (with Eugenia), Tony (with Dorothy, Eugenia's sister and Viki's aunt, making him Viki and Merrie's half-brother AND cousin), Tina (with Irene), Todd (with Irene).
@PensiveCzar Then it must have been Eugenia's sister Dorthy Victor had the affair with because I know that Victor at least conceived one of his children while still married then had the GALL to think that Merrie wasn't his and Eugenia had an affair (so he let her die after her fall down the stairs)
I don't think you could even find any information on Dorothy anywhere. I don't even know if she was shown in flashbacks or what the relationship with her sister and nieces were. They completely forgot about her after Tony was killed. Then Tony was completely erased in favor of Todd (later Victor Jr.). At some point in the 2000s, they acted like Viki, Tina and Todd were Victor's only children. Never mentioned Tony or Merrie. Merrie had a son who was fathered by Dr. Larry Wolek and I think he was also a doctor so that's a nephew that Viki (and later Tina and Todd) could have been involved with. As for the Victor/Dorothy affair, it wasn't nearly as bad as Victor seducing a teenaged Irene Manning, marrying her, divorcing her and then getting her pregnant again or even marrying Dorian who was also Viki's age. Siblings sharing a partner is pretty common which is why it probably wasn't important. Remember that Kevin and Kelly had an affair while she was with Joey so that was also sort of like Victor/Eugenia/Dorothy (though Kevin and Kelly got together eventually)
the REAL TRUTH IS VICKI, ur father that u loved and worship was a REAL SICKOOO!!!
I could be wrong, but i could have sworn in the late 90's or early 2000's they showed a flashback of Vikki walking into her dorm room and catching her father and Irene together. Do yo know anything about that?
@@jakelibo8721 I remember that. She had a total meltdown in front of Clint.
@@baconbap I hope I can find that clip.
while you watch this there are times when it looks the nikki almost come out, viccki starts to do the smiling and tuching here self that was a sign the nikki was on the way,
Look at vicki's eyes! OMG!!!!
So curious how this whole situation would have played out if Joe Riley was alive. It may never have happened. Ted Clayton may stil have come to Llanview, but he wouldn't have neen able to con Vicki. Tina may not have gone back to California. If she did find out VIctor Sr. was her father, Vicki may have been more open to listening due to the influence of Joe.
ok i was a kid when all this was going on...my earliest memories of OLTL start around '87... who was Tony?
You can tell that all of Viki’s personalities are trying to come out here (in hindsight).
Good olde days
Also, wouldn't Meredith have remembered Irene and Victor's affair as she was alive during that time? Granted, she was dead by this time, but you'd think she would have known something. Viki wasn't just the only one living in the Lord Manor.
T James Meredith i believe was in boarding school during this sorded period....she mentioned her dislike of being away from vicki and Lanview. So much.
It stunned me when they killed Meredith off in 1973. She was a beautiful vital character..they should have left open her possible return somehow,
@@m.e.d.7997 Writers at that time said killing her and Victor off were mistakes.
@@m.e.d.7997 Sadly, the footage of Meredith and Victor dying have been lost to time. 😞
@QonOUTview Victor suspected it but it was never confirmed, so she still is his daughter.
I have always wondered how if things how been different, and Tina how shown MEREDITH that letter, how would MEREDITH have handdled the revelation about Victor and Irene ?
Sensational Erika Slezak and Andrea!!
@ManTexDal o ok...so he was on the show before tina? well thanks for clearing that up! :) now didnt they re-write history that vikis DID was not caused because she saw victor with irene but because he sexually abused her? and @ one point i think they said it was caused by her having megan and the whole eterna storyline...
That's what I dislike so much about writers. They keep retconning and changing the history of the show so much it's unrecognizable.
@dereka79 Thought it said they were twins.... did they ever meet? well, not in any episode tht ive seen...
Dayumm Vicki is harsh. And fucking nuts.
Michael Malone had to be inspired by this scene.
Viki was at her very best, Is this when Niki Smith came out?
I totally agree. Yes, this is when Niki first appeared in the 80's.
What is stupid is that Victor and Irene were never dead at this point in time. They were both very much alive.
Yes they were. Irene died when Tina was a teen and Victor died when Dorian was still living in Llanfair and Clint and Vicky weren't married
Irene had supposedly died...
Was the irene actress back then (whenever she was on) the same actress who played her in 2011 or was it 2012 during the Todd/Todd storyline???
@@connerhuston2613 No, Kate McKeown played the role of Irene in 1978 and passed away in 1996. Barbara Rhoades played the role of "Irene" in 2011.
how differantly would this storyline had taken if Jean Randolph Tori Tommy Princess or even the ALTER Victor Lord came out instead of Niki Smith
You can tell that they are coming out.
Egads, Tina's hair is so long here.
i do feel vicki's pain in life>> my mom's dad was like this in his life>> his wife was 4 yrs older then my mom was.. and he was a SICK MAN in his life!! i'm SHOCK my mom DIDN'T have SPLIT persons in her life like pore vicki did!! I LOVE MY MOM KEEPING IT ALL TOGETHER>>in her life>> like she did!! i don't think i could of.
My great grandfather molested my grandmother for years and in her lifetime developed mental Illness. So in a lot ways vikis character and her life reminds me a lot of my grandmother
@TheGPredator8211 Oh, yeah they met all right! Back when Todd was first introduced as their brother. Let's just say it wasn't pretty :-)
Were Eugenia and Victor divorced? Thought she died while they were married.
She died while they were still married.
@Goldenrod636 Merrie is not Victor's daughter. Eugenia had an affair. She fought with Victor and fell down the stairs gave birth to merrie and died.
It was never confirmed or clarified that Merrie is NOT Victors daughter.. so she was still his
Gillian Spencer was so much better in the role of Niki Smith. Always preferred her in the Viki role.
Isn't Tina Todd's twin sister?
That room is so blah
Holy shit. Are they drunk? That is bad acting.
It’s not.. And the visual blurr and scary eyes are the start of her D.I.D
No, they're just so bored that they spend time saying negative things about subjects they'd otherwise have no interest in. I'm sure you understand.