It (the context system) was hastily put together to fight political opposition to those at the top of the Alphabet(Google). It was never meant to be accurate lol
Damn. I watch too many flat earth channels. I didn't even notice they label this with that context. Never have I heard Antonio support FE or such. He could but I don't think he is ready for that truth.
@@thingsofsuch Dont even start. You'll be eaten alive. FE is absurd and only fits the narrative when you have little real world experience and spend your time listening to liars on the internet who have made it their hobby to see how many they can fool. We may not know everything about the World, but we do know that it is NOT flat.
Thank you so much for your ever perseverant and alert spirit, professor Zamora. A spot-on clear analysis of a very faulty article. Your 19 minutes on video were a much better review than the "peer review" this misleading article was subjected to. Great work.
I used to live about 10 miles from the Creation Museum with the Noah's Ark "replica" in Kentucky. These people deserve an Olympic Gold Medal for the mental gymnastics they're able to perform to validate their beliefs. Btw, I've been to Mallorca and Barcelona. I would love to take a stroll there! 😆
I only read this paper about the Mediterranean because it had a reference to my Geomorphology publication. Thus far, there are about 9 references to my publication, but none of them relate to the Younger Dryas.
@@Antonio_Zamora I was trying to find information on when that Mediterranean Basin was last flooded and they said it happened way before the younger dryas but during the height of the last ice age the sea level was so much lower?
As mentioned in the video, the Mediterranean basin filled up about 5.3 million years ago. The sea level only rose about 120 meters after the last glacial maximum.
I am not going to pursue this. I get enough push-back on my own impact hypothesis of the Carolina Bays even though I have the elliptical morphology and the conic sections on my side.
Antonio Zamora we support you. When I first came across your channel I was unable to fathom the concept so wrote you off. But as you presented more and more EXPERIMENT to support you HYPOTHESIS I became CONVINCED yours made the most ACTUAL SENSE. THANK YOU for gifting me with a challenge to my own EGO.
The flooding of the Mediterranean basin from cometary impact in the Southern Ocean does not have to conflict with the cometary rubble pile impact on North America. One could have it that different pieces of the same incoming cometary rubble pile caused both events simultaneously. Rather than going, " It's my comet or meteorite and it did only what I said it did, and if someone says that other pieces of it caused other effects at other far fling sites then they can get knotted ".
Retrofitting and ‘revising’ scientific discoveries to fit a narrative? Nah. This never happens! Disappointed that this ‘research’ paper made it through the various scientific checkpoints. Great work as always Antonio! Love your channel and admire your work.
Well I generally agree with you but I know of at least two such events when it happened: finding the Uruk of the Chaldeans meant that we learnt that Sumer empire existed - before it was rejected as a Bible myth. And then when Heinrich Schliemann discovered Teoy and the Mycaenian culture sites, he also proved that the Homer's tales were based on truth.
Well, this shows what you can do with just a fertile imagination and Google Earth, doesn't it. Thank you for your expert debunking. The "pseudo-peer reviewed" journals seem like the sciences' equivalent of vanity publishing.
Myron Cook’s channel has a great explanation of undersea rivers and why it’s not necessary for those channels to have formed when above water, negating the need to disappear oceans to explain floods.
@@anneangstadt1882 Yes. Underwater landslides, Turbid water, earthquakes even have been "blamed" but I believe that the Deep sea drilling of the Mediterranean that "proved" it had once or many times evaporated also "proved" in the Med these formations, submarine canyons and deltas had been cut by rivers when above sea level. The others around the world like off the california and West africa seem identical and there sems no obvious reason to think they formed differently. Scientists hate the idea these were cut when above sea level as it would go against lots of what they were taught. Were the sea levels thousands of feet lower than today at some time? Have areas risen and fell thousands of feet in relatively short times? Very intriguing.
Logic is a commodity none trade in as it has no value. If you could only trade in Tik Toks, what the hell ever they are, then you could throw in some logic for free I guess.
This got my interest because I have wondered about the composition of the speculated bolide. It retained my interest for entirely different reasons. As in a comment below; an 'incredible and professional response.'
As I explained in a previous comment, I tried to evaluate the published paper objectively on the basis of established science and avoided ad hominem comments, which would have been a logical fallacy on my part.
Back then there was no Baltic Sea, a Mediterranean Lake, a Red Lake, and a Persian Lake. In the 1970's Dallas Airport had a fantastic PLesiosaurus on display that they found building a runway and then hid it probably from pressure of the Bible Belt. I was at that Rio Grande Valley site just a couple of years ago, I even have a picture of it, there is only endless super flat farm land, wind mills, and a large auto salvage yard there. I just love the inconsistencies of fluffy comets and loose gravel asteroids and how they get pulled to the Sun from enormous distances and yet when they fly right by Earth it is always stated that the perturbation is insignificant.
Many thanks for your review of this paper Antonio. I did read it when it came out but wasn't convinced it was factual. Have very much enjoyed following your videos on the Carolina Bays.
Although the referenced paper is garbage it did bring one question to mind. Would an object made entirely of ice traveling at immense speed catch fire from friction in the atmosphere?
No. The fire that we see from shooting stars is due to the oxidation of metals, like iron, with oxygen in the atmosphere. A projectile made of ice would ablate and leave a trail of steam, similar to the contrails of jets flying at high altitude.
antonio, you were much more patient and respectful of this meathead than I would have been. I would not have wasted my time with that garbage and dismissed it almost out of hand.
Thanks for your comment. Sometimes, turning a blind eye to something that is wrong implies tacit approval. This is why I have fought so hard to establish that the Carolina Bays are impact structures by showing that they are mathematical conic sections. Where would we be if I had just dismissed the aeolian and lacustrine hypothesis without doing anything?
I maintain that it's fun to speculate about things that one does not know and ask questions until there is irrefutable evidence, either way. However, one should not try to cover up speculations as actual science unless one can back it up with evidence and a working model as Mr. Zamora does. I love to speculate, am not a scientist and will amend my ideas as factual evidence requires. I have followd this channel for quite a lot of time, and each time, some of my questions have been answered and I lean towards Mr. Zamora's theories (theories have date, hypothesis is speculative without data and climate change models don't work for me, BTW.)
Mark Twain once said, "It is easier to convince someone of a myth, than to convince someone that they were deceived." (Update: I forgot to include the quotation marks.)
At the start I was hoping there was some new discovery. But when they came with the 3.5km lower see levels, that floored me. But I have one question: is there anything left of this paper that remains valid? The exact timing of flooding the Mediterranean might still bring something new and revolutionary. I entertained the thought that if the Greek mythology claims the Gibraltar strait was created by Heracles, that it could indicate that the opening and subsequent flooding happened within the human oral tradition memory (of course as some other cataclysmic event). But then I found it was some six million years, so in that case nope, no chance.
The fact is the😂 Carolina Bays in the US and Nebraskian flood plains should be consolidated as Zamorian Craters or Zamorain Depressions sharing the common characteristics of secondary impacts. This is in recognition of Antonio Zamoras proofs.
Could the impact area that he identifies as being the the ocean near Antarctica actually be the secondary impact 1000 years after the initial Younger Dryas event? Wasn't that second event supposed to have been an ocean impact, to account for the dramatic rise in temperatures that marked the end of the Younger Dryas? What are your thoughts?
The Carolina Bays should be regarded as a natural wonder of the world, especially if they eventually reveal the truth about the Younger Dryas reversals in temperature changes, IMO.
The sheer scale of the proposed event is implausible. Small asteroid or comet strikes, even ones causing considerable damage, are not. Ubiquitous flood myths can be explained by the rise in sea levels at the end of glaciation. People tend to live near water, in places that would get flooded. If some of the flooding came after the collapse of ice dams restraining huge glacial lakes, the events would have been pretty violent.
I could go to any barnyard a fill a wheel barrow with stuff better than that. It's a wonder that some people are awarded degrees. I am suspect of his degree merit. Thank you for the report and critique.
I concentrated on criticizing the paper to avoid ad hominem comments. It is possible that the author knows what he is doing and he just wants to have a commercial product with a large potential marketplace.
We all like to speculate about history and science. However, when the “science” does not have all the data, it remains as speculation. A computer simulation in an educated guess, IMO. A guess requires accurate data to become fact. I like how Mr Zamora doesn’t evade his critics but he follows up and shows where there are discrepancies in his detractors’ published opinions. Science can be described as an onion pie. Pi plus Onion equals Opinion. I think Mr Zamora is closer to the the actual occurrences of the past than any other speculations I’ve encountered - even my own.
Can you explain the CMEs on July 23 2012 that were so powerful a few hours difference and humans would have been back to the 1950s or 10,000 bc. I understand that that NASA was not allowed to speak of this matter until 2014 and then played it down as if it could have been a disaster but wasn't. Is it true a direct CME of this calber would have burned everything on the surface to the ground within 6 months.
IMHO the best source of information about CMEs and Sun-related topics is on the channel Suspicious0bservers with various shorter and longer documentaries about specific topics, as well as with the daily news and updates, all based on the peer-reviewed studies.
I too completely rock scientific fields to their core using google earth 🤣🤣🤣. It's wild people take the time to make up stuff that poorly, but I suppose people wanting to believe in unreality will just accept any source no matter how sketchy.
There is still debate about the breaching of the land-bridge at the present day Bosporus Straights. The Black Sea used to be fresh water. The surface level used to be hundreds of feet lower. There are geologic beaches on ancient shorelines. There are ancient camps used by the indigenous people living there. Some say, the flood event is responsible for Noah's Flood in Bible. But the breach and flood took a long time and was not catastrophic. People had plenty of time to move uphill from the new levels. If there was an impact in the Mediterranean Sea, that could explain the sudden breach of land bridge at Bosporus Straight. There should be 'chevrons' from Tsunamis following impact. They might have been erased due to erosion and civilizations building on the shoreline.
Have been noticing that people are confusing fact's lately and some are actually distorting it for questionable purposes. It's a service you've done to correct this I'll thought out assertion, very interesting how he is missing the obvious not sure what to make of that. Something has been stuck in my head lately, old saying, guess I've been trying to explain to myself why some people are getting some things absolutely backwards these days....goes like this. Just because a orange is orange doesn't mean that everything orange IS A ORANGE!
To be fair, this paper does provide good irrefutable evidence that peer review and many scientific journals are seriously over-rated, if not fit for purpose.
The paper by Michael Jaye is an egregious example of fake science. It is beyond redemption. It ignores well established facts, like the sea level 80 million years that created the Western Interior Seaway, and it misattributes the origin of thermokarst lakes to extraterrestrial impacts. I would even say that Jaye's paper has the evil intent of misguiding people. However, you are right that there are many predatory "peer-reviewed" journals that publish anything as long as the author fees are paid. One example is the now defunct Journal of Cosmology. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journal_of_Cosmology
Peer review is a gold standard. It is the best we have and serves well. This paper and its critique serve as a testimony to the faults of pay-to-publish and other lower quality "journals." This critique stands as a credit to the peer review process.
@@archstanton_live If peer review is a gold standard we are in deep trouble. In many scientific disciplines, peer review has become pal review and been totally currupted. Do some research and some critical thinking.
The author gets an 'A' for effort. The rest, well, just best put to rest. No need to be cruel, this could be the start of something better some other time.
The video is aimed at the unscientific nature of the paper, but it is necessary to call attention to the the author's intention, which is not completely wholesome.
All of the scientists, they say, the oort cloud... implying that our solar system has the ONLY cloud of comets in existence in the entire universe... if other stars have an oort cloud companion, wouldn't the distances between star and cometary cloud be similar? If the stars brush between comets in Sols cloud, wouldn't Sol also be in the other stars oort cloud region??
If the collision in the Michigan area had enough energy to send shock waves through the area, might it not have release the waters from Lake Agasee (or whatever the name of the Laurentide Ice lake) the pent up water surge might have created a Tsunami or two upon reaching the Atlantic Ocean and might have flooded the Mediteranean area, giving rise to the Biblical flood stories. A hit in the Indian Ocean would create it's own tidal waves. Plus 40 days of rain, told by the disorganized survivors, would be well remembered by word of mouth for centuries or longer, methinks. That's how legends are born?
As you show, the best contra=argument is simply reading his paper and displaying his 'data' used to 'prove' his hypothesis. I hope this 'author' has not used the 'fact' he is published in a 'scientific' journal to gain employment as a professor in a university. But these days....
Quick, someone tell Randall Carson that Atlantis could not be reached by boat through the straits of Gibraltar until well after the YD! Plato and the Egyptians should have known that, schoolboy errors. 3.5km sea level rise overnight, that's biblical. One tiny, practically miniscule point. The flood was supposed to have been from current sea level, up to the top of Mount Ararat, and then to drain away again (not sure where it all went, tbh). Nothing about rising to the current sea level and staying there. I think that's another fail for the Encyclopedia Biblicus.
Some will point a finger at a set of layers of flood material showing 36 evenly spaced floods of magnitude I will not try to expound on....big like the combined time a kid on the Persian coast would move his village two or three times a generation and as the waters rose so did civilization...say 9000 or 6000 yes ago
We really don't need people that review papers and can't even spot basic math, or so humongous claims like the sea rising by 3km. (while there are careful records of sea lever over time by proxies, and also ice cores in the south pole not finding relevant things 12800 years ago). When we see the present time propaganda, or the psychological effect a huge flash flood or a tsunami can have on a local population : Noa story can come from several different facts, there are always facts triggering stories, but it is very difficult to reconcile those without solid evidence. The combination of rain, a Moon orbit 18 years oscillation, in the context of sea level rise from inter-glacial melting can be NOT smooth and gradual, even if the mean sea level climbs centimeters a year, locally this can give catastrophes that look biblical; at the time there was to telegraph to ask if the next city was fine or obliterated as well ; it can be difficult to assess natural disaster damage area when you are in mud to the neck without rescue helicopters and internet communications. It would be foolish to say that nothing happened, but there is no need for a global flood to give birth to a story. I was in a forest fire once, I feared for my life, from my point of view it was looking that the end of the world, in 3 years I cut 800 trees, so the fire was not so huge. Exageration is human.
what are you talking about? if anything they are starting to actively "inform" viewers of any so called scientific consensus (warning consensus on anything at all is total nonsense and should trigger a red flag), they use stupid "fact checkers" who prolly know nothing about anything scientific or the process science follows, including the total freedom to discuss hypotheses and it seems now they also use ai or algorithms to mark new video's..
It's so obvious to me that YT, and who knows who else, is deliberately connecting this fake nonsense as well as flat earth "science" to Tony's astute explanations of the YD event making it easy to dismiss his work. You must be very close to truth Tony to have them now using this thinly disguised attack on your work. Please don't stop! The ONLY thing that matters, in the end, is TRUTH.
@@Antonio_Zamora Get on another computer, and get on TH-cam, but don't log in. Navigate to your video as an anonymous user, and then you might see the warning about flat earth, right under your video.
@@Antonio_Zamora it's not to say that the flood didn't happen, but his idea that the oceans were almost 4km shallower is laughable. That's most of the world's ocean's depth. I think some of the great lakes in North America are the impact sites.
Yes, he used to teach, so I think that he should know science. This is why I think that his misrepresentations are intentional to profit from gullible readers.
Around 9:45 you can hear Antonios voice go from slight aggravation to blatant holding back of laughter at this ... "peer reviewed" not even footnote in the history,of the His Story that Jaye wishes so badly was true. Jaye, you are a hack, go back to college kid.
Nice takedown. I like how the author tries to obscure their real motivations by going on about unifying science with "the human narrative tradition" when they actually mean religious fundamentalism
I don't know why you took it upon yourself to attack Velikovsky. While some of his ideas don't hold water, others do. When one is reviewing lore, and mythical records of cataclysmic events, you are hamstrung by the lack of factual data to refer to. Here you are pushing a global cataclysm, as did he. You posit an extraterrestrial object struck the ice sheet. Possibly multiple objects. Perhaps it could have been a cometary body that hit the Roche limit and disintegrated, and the remainders are now the Taurid meteor stream. Who knows? He was bringing catastrophism to the forefront of our collective awareness, which your hypothesis depends on. I think slamming him was unkind and uncalled for on your part. He did the best he could with what he had. One of his ideas was close encounters with other planetary bodies, which is not implausible, considering how many thousands of planets have been recently discovered that are not orbiting stars. How difficult would it be for the sun to capture one? I suggest you download the Universe Sandbox and it has our solar system in it and it is science based on the laws of motion etc. and you can simulate for yourself what happens to the orbits of the planets in our solar system when a rogue planet is captured.
You said that yourself. Some of Velikovsky's ideas don't hold water. I think that the Atlantis story still has merit based on what we know about sea level rise during the past 20,000 years, but that was Plato's story retold by Velikovsky. This one holds water :-)
@@Antonio_Zamora Thanks - the whole biblical flood (one of many) can be explained easily by a close encounter with a celestial body, the tidal forces would be immense. I read some time back that South America has risen thousands of feet - that Lake Titicaca was once at sea level, and would explain the terracing for raising crops that would be productive at a lower elevation. The tidal effects of such an encounter could affect the crust in addition to water. It could also affect the earth's orbit, and it's attendant climate changes. Something was going on with this 1300 year drop in temperature that is beyond the scope of a meteor strike on or airburst above the Laurentide Ice sheet. That doesn't deny your theory, but however, the theory doesn't seem sufficient to explain the whole of the cataclysm.
@@gerretw I read some time ago that two weeks of lockdown would flatten the curve and we would all be free again. I read some time ago that Aliens built the pyramids. I read some time ago that the Titanic was sunk by an iceberg. I read some time ago JFK was killed by Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone. I read some time ago the Earth was flat. I read some time ago that sometimes tigers come to tea. As you can see I'm very educated.
@@CandideSchmyles Then you know about isostatic rebound or crustal rebound and how the crust can move vertically in addition to horizontally. I like science minded people like yourself who aren't swayed by propaganda, and pseudo science. Cheers!
The fact that youtube chose to add a context link to wikipedia about the 'flat earth model' on this video shows how broken youtube is.
It (the context system) was hastily put together to fight political opposition to those at the top of the Alphabet(Google). It was never meant to be accurate lol
It showed that in his last video, too. 🙄
Damn. I watch too many flat earth channels. I didn't even notice they label this with that context. Never have I heard Antonio support FE or such. He could but I don't think he is ready for that truth.
@@thingsofsuch Dont even start. You'll be eaten alive. FE is absurd and only fits the narrative when you have little real world experience and spend your time listening to liars on the internet who have made it their hobby to see how many they can fool.
We may not know everything about the World, but we do know that it is NOT flat.
I got that too, and wondered why the two were linked. Perhaps the algorithms are developing a sense of humour.
Damn, Antonio. You tore that paper to shreds!
Thank you so much for your ever perseverant and alert spirit, professor Zamora. A spot-on clear analysis of a very faulty article. Your 19 minutes on video were a much better review than the "peer review" this misleading article was subjected to. Great work.
Incredible and professional response.
Thank You Mr. Zamora for your dedication to the truth.
I used to live about 10 miles from the Creation Museum with the Noah's Ark "replica" in Kentucky.
These people deserve an Olympic Gold Medal for the mental gymnastics they're able to perform to validate their beliefs. Btw, I've been to Mallorca and Barcelona. I would love to take a stroll there! 😆
man that paper gave me an urge to gorge out my eyes in pure pain... i feel with you antonio for having to go through this kind of b.s.
I only read this paper about the Mediterranean because it had a reference to my Geomorphology publication. Thus far, there are about 9 references to my publication, but none of them relate to the Younger Dryas.
@@Antonio_Zamora I was trying to find information on when that Mediterranean Basin was last flooded and they said it happened way before the younger dryas but during the height of the last ice age the sea level was so much lower?
As mentioned in the video, the Mediterranean basin filled up about 5.3 million years ago. The sea level only rose about 120 meters after the last glacial maximum.
So, are you going to write a response/comment to this article in the journal? It could still get retracted.
I am not going to pursue this. I get enough push-back on my own impact hypothesis of the Carolina Bays even though I have the elliptical morphology and the conic sections on my side.
Antonio Zamora we support you. When I first came across your channel I was unable to fathom the concept so wrote you off. But as you presented more and more EXPERIMENT to support you HYPOTHESIS I became CONVINCED yours made the most ACTUAL SENSE. THANK YOU for gifting me with a challenge to my own EGO.
I absolutely love this channel.
I’m a bit late to this party, but this is a good critique and I glad to see you brought up the Velikovsky blather as another example of psuedosciene
How is this flat earth, TH-cam?
I have a sister who is a Creationist and a flat earthquake so I suppose
The flooding of the Mediterranean basin from cometary impact in the Southern Ocean does not have to conflict with the cometary rubble pile impact on North America. One could have it that different pieces of the same incoming cometary rubble pile caused both events simultaneously. Rather than going, " It's my comet or meteorite and it did only what I said it did, and if someone says that other pieces of it caused other effects at other far fling sites then they can get knotted ".
Retrofitting and ‘revising’ scientific discoveries to fit a narrative? Nah. This never happens! Disappointed that this ‘research’ paper made it through the various scientific checkpoints. Great work as always Antonio! Love your channel and admire your work.
Well I generally agree with you but I know of at least two such events when it happened: finding the Uruk of the Chaldeans meant that we learnt that Sumer empire existed - before it was rejected as a Bible myth. And then when Heinrich Schliemann discovered Teoy and the Mycaenian culture sites, he also proved that the Homer's tales were based on truth.
Thanks Antonio for this knowledge. It should be examinated in every inviwrsity of natural history
Well, this shows what you can do with just a fertile imagination and Google Earth, doesn't it. Thank you for your expert debunking. The "pseudo-peer reviewed" journals seem like the sciences' equivalent of vanity publishing.
Myron Cook’s channel has a great explanation of undersea rivers and why it’s not necessary for those channels to have formed when above water, negating the need to disappear oceans to explain floods.
Amazing information. Greatly appreciated. The subject deserves the effort. 👍🏽😘
I must admit I find those river channels cutting through the coastal seabeds so deep, so far out, intriguing.
The deeper channels esp. off continental shelves may not be river channels as such but result of underwater landslides. Still very intriguing though!
@@anneangstadt1882 Yes. Underwater landslides, Turbid water, earthquakes even have been "blamed" but I believe that the Deep sea drilling of the Mediterranean that "proved" it had once or many times evaporated also "proved" in the Med these formations, submarine canyons and deltas had been cut by rivers when above sea level. The others around the world like off the california and West africa seem identical and there sems no obvious reason to think they formed differently. Scientists hate the idea these were cut when above sea level as it would go against lots of what they were taught. Were the sea levels thousands of feet lower than today at some time? Have areas risen and fell thousands of feet in relatively short times? Very intriguing.
Isostatic rebound may explain some presently submerged river channels
Thanks Antonio.
Excellent work. Sad some people don't use logic. Good work as always.
Logic is a commodity none trade in as it has no value. If you could only trade in Tik Toks, what the hell ever they are, then you could throw in some logic for free I guess.
Have you read Sweatman's review article regarding the YDIH? Someone at University of Edinburgh is sticking their neck out.
Sweatman's review has received substantial attention in the press. It may open some eyes.
THIS ISN'T A FLAT EARTH VIDEO TH-cam!
You nailed it Antonio 👏👏👏
This got my interest because I have wondered about the composition of the speculated bolide. It retained my interest for entirely different reasons. As in a comment below; an 'incredible and professional response.'
As I explained in a previous comment, I tried to evaluate the published paper objectively on the basis of established science and avoided ad hominem comments, which would have been a logical fallacy on my part.
Thank you!
Back then there was no Baltic Sea, a Mediterranean Lake, a Red Lake, and a Persian Lake. In the 1970's Dallas Airport had a fantastic PLesiosaurus on display that they found building a runway and then hid it probably from pressure of the Bible Belt. I was at that Rio Grande Valley site just a couple of years ago, I even have a picture of it, there is only endless super flat farm land, wind mills, and a large auto salvage yard there. I just love the inconsistencies of fluffy comets and loose gravel asteroids and how they get pulled to the Sun from enormous distances and yet when they fly right by Earth it is always stated that the perturbation is insignificant.
Many thanks for your review of this paper Antonio. I did read it when it came out but wasn't convinced it was factual. Have very much enjoyed following your videos on the Carolina Bays.
Although the referenced paper is garbage it did bring one question to mind. Would an object made entirely of ice traveling at immense speed catch fire from friction in the atmosphere?
No. The fire that we see from shooting stars is due to the oxidation of metals, like iron, with oxygen in the atmosphere. A projectile made of ice would ablate and leave a trail of steam, similar to the contrails of jets flying at high altitude.
antonio, you were much more patient and respectful of this meathead than I would have been. I would not have wasted my time with that garbage and dismissed it almost out of hand.
Thanks for your comment. Sometimes, turning a blind eye to something that is wrong implies tacit approval. This is why I have fought so hard to establish that the Carolina Bays are impact structures by showing that they are mathematical conic sections. Where would we be if I had just dismissed the aeolian and lacustrine hypothesis without doing anything?
I maintain that it's fun to speculate about things that one does not know and ask questions until there is irrefutable evidence, either way. However, one should not try to cover up speculations as actual science unless one can back it up with evidence and a working model as Mr. Zamora does. I love to speculate, am not a scientist and will amend my ideas as factual evidence requires. I have followd this channel for quite a lot of time, and each time, some of my questions have been answered and I lean towards Mr. Zamora's theories (theories have date, hypothesis is speculative without data and climate change models don't work for me, BTW.)
Thanks
I've theorized this for awhile. It just made sense
the point of this video is Zamorra showing that this theory is completely incorrect, you didn't even watch the video
I love your videos Antonio
Mark Twain once said, "It is easier to convince someone of a myth, than to convince someone that they were deceived." (Update: I forgot to include the quotation marks.)
At the start I was hoping there was some new discovery. But when they came with the 3.5km lower see levels, that floored me. But I have one question: is there anything left of this paper that remains valid? The exact timing of flooding the Mediterranean might still bring something new and revolutionary. I entertained the thought that if the Greek mythology claims the Gibraltar strait was created by Heracles, that it could indicate that the opening and subsequent flooding happened within the human oral tradition memory (of course as some other cataclysmic event). But then I found it was some six million years, so in that case nope, no chance.
Yikes! Quite a disservice having that one floating around out there. Disgraceful.
Peer-reviewed misinformation!
36°30'26"N 21°11'27"E at this location (area) is a suspected impact point "OZGeographics" for a Mediterranean impact, but I thought "Carolina bay".
The fact is the😂 Carolina Bays in the US and Nebraskian flood plains should be consolidated as Zamorian Craters or Zamorain Depressions sharing the common characteristics of secondary impacts.
This is in recognition of Antonio Zamoras proofs.
Could the impact area that he identifies as being the the ocean near Antarctica actually be the secondary impact 1000 years after the initial Younger Dryas event? Wasn't that second event supposed to have been an ocean impact, to account for the dramatic rise in temperatures that marked the end of the Younger Dryas? What are your thoughts?
I discussed an impact in the Indian ocean in this video: th-cam.com/video/K7H1S37luEo/w-d-xo.html
So you are saying Randall Carlson is wrong?
The Carolina Bays should be regarded as a natural wonder of the world, especially if they eventually reveal the truth about the Younger Dryas reversals in temperature changes, IMO.
The sheer scale of the proposed event is implausible. Small asteroid or comet strikes, even ones causing considerable damage, are not. Ubiquitous flood myths can be explained by the rise in sea levels at the end of glaciation. People tend to live near water, in places that would get flooded. If some of the flooding came after the collapse of ice dams restraining huge glacial lakes, the events would have been pretty violent.
It most certainly could have rained for 40 days and 40 nights.
As I understand it, the Mediterranean basin filled about 7 million years ago.
@herbertfawcett7213
I believe there is evidence for filling and emptying several times?
Poles may have flipped...real possibility...
I could go to any barnyard a fill a wheel barrow with stuff better than that. It's a wonder that some people are awarded degrees. I am suspect of his degree merit. Thank you for the report and critique.
I concentrated on criticizing the paper to avoid ad hominem comments. It is possible that the author knows what he is doing and he just wants to have a commercial product with a large potential marketplace.
Like writing a paper on the weekend that's due Monday.
We all like to speculate about history and science. However, when the “science” does not have all the data, it remains as speculation. A computer simulation in an educated guess, IMO. A guess requires accurate data to become fact. I like how Mr Zamora doesn’t evade his critics but he follows up and shows where there are discrepancies in his detractors’ published opinions. Science can be described as an onion pie. Pi plus Onion equals Opinion. I think Mr Zamora is closer to the the actual occurrences of the past than any other speculations I’ve encountered - even my own.
Can you explain the CMEs on July 23 2012 that were so powerful a few hours difference and humans would have been back to the 1950s or 10,000 bc. I understand that that NASA was not allowed to speak of this matter until 2014 and then played it down as if it could have been a disaster but wasn't. Is it true a direct CME of this calber would have burned everything on the surface to the ground within 6 months.
Yeah. The earth is FLAT and the sun is local. So CME are BS.
@@thingsofsuch LMAO... The flat-earth trolls didn´t extinct yet? :-D
IMHO the best source of information about CMEs and Sun-related topics is on the channel Suspicious0bservers with various shorter and longer documentaries about specific topics, as well as with the daily news and updates, all based on the peer-reviewed studies.
I too completely rock scientific fields to their core using google earth 🤣🤣🤣. It's wild people take the time to make up stuff that poorly, but I suppose people wanting to believe in unreality will just accept any source no matter how sketchy.
There is still debate about the breaching of the land-bridge at the present day Bosporus Straights. The Black Sea used to be fresh water. The surface level used to be hundreds of feet lower. There are geologic beaches on ancient shorelines. There are ancient camps used by the indigenous people living there. Some say, the flood event is responsible for Noah's Flood in Bible. But the breach and flood took a long time and was not catastrophic. People had plenty of time to move uphill from the new levels.
If there was an impact in the Mediterranean Sea, that could explain the sudden breach of land bridge at Bosporus Straight. There should be 'chevrons' from Tsunamis following impact. They might have been erased due to erosion and civilizations building on the shoreline.
They must have "remote viewed" Or had an "ascended master" To Give them such details.
Or maybe they just timed travelled... 😄😁
Great Lakes, or the Hudson bay
Have been noticing that people are confusing fact's lately and some are actually distorting it for questionable purposes.
It's a service you've done to correct this I'll thought out assertion, very interesting how he is missing the obvious not sure what to make of that.
Something has been stuck in my head lately, old saying, guess I've been trying to explain to myself why some people are getting some things absolutely backwards these days....goes like this.
Just because a orange is orange doesn't mean that everything orange IS A ORANGE!
To be fair, this paper does provide good irrefutable evidence that peer review and many scientific journals are seriously over-rated, if not fit for purpose.
The paper by Michael Jaye is an egregious example of fake science. It is beyond redemption. It ignores well established facts, like the sea level 80 million years that created the Western Interior Seaway, and it misattributes the origin of thermokarst lakes to extraterrestrial impacts. I would even say that Jaye's paper has the evil intent of misguiding people. However, you are right that there are many predatory "peer-reviewed" journals that publish anything as long as the author fees are paid. One example is the now defunct Journal of Cosmology. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journal_of_Cosmology
Peer review is a gold standard. It is the best we have and serves well. This paper and its critique serve as a testimony to the faults of pay-to-publish and other lower quality "journals." This critique stands as a credit to the peer review process.
@@archstanton_live If peer review is a gold standard we are in deep trouble. In many scientific disciplines, peer review has become pal review and been totally currupted. Do some research and some critical thinking.
@@lapoguslapogus7161 Vote yourself up often? Peer review requires critical thinking and assessing the validity of the source.
The author gets an 'A' for effort. The rest, well, just best put to rest. No need to be cruel, this could be the start of something better some other time.
The video is aimed at the unscientific nature of the paper, but it is necessary to call attention to the the author's intention, which is not completely wholesome.
All of the scientists, they say, the oort cloud... implying that our solar system has the ONLY cloud of comets in existence in the entire universe... if other stars have an oort cloud companion, wouldn't the distances between star and cometary cloud be similar? If the stars brush between comets in Sols cloud, wouldn't Sol also be in the other stars oort cloud region??
If the collision in the Michigan area had enough energy to send shock waves through the area, might it not have release the waters from Lake Agasee (or whatever the name of the Laurentide Ice lake) the pent up water surge might have created a Tsunami or two upon reaching the Atlantic Ocean and might have flooded the Mediteranean area, giving rise to the Biblical flood stories. A hit in the Indian Ocean would create it's own tidal waves. Plus 40 days of rain, told by the disorganized survivors, would be well remembered by word of mouth for centuries or longer, methinks. That's how legends are born?
So, you don't believe him??
:P
Just kidding
I love your work!!!
Dos
As you show, the best contra=argument is simply reading his paper and displaying his 'data' used to 'prove' his hypothesis. I hope this 'author' has not used the 'fact' he is published in a 'scientific' journal to gain employment as a professor in a university. But these days....
Bogus journals and their authors are not fooling anyone in legitimate research universities.
Why are your videos being tagged as promoting Flat Earth? So stupid of TH-cam.
Burckle hit at 4800 years ago in the indian Ocean could be a more likely cause of the biblical flood . ..
love how google 'fact check' this as flat earth theory
You should review the globalistagenda.org and get back with us on an update on how it’s not a conspiracy and it’s everyone’s true reality.
A hallmark of the anti-academic movement is to quote 1800s science like it is still valid today
that must have told him .. . .
Quick, someone tell Randall Carson that Atlantis could not be reached by boat through the straits of Gibraltar until well after the YD! Plato and the Egyptians should have known that, schoolboy errors.
3.5km sea level rise overnight, that's biblical. One tiny, practically miniscule point. The flood was supposed to have been from current sea level, up to the top of Mount Ararat, and then to drain away again (not sure where it all went, tbh). Nothing about rising to the current sea level and staying there.
I think that's another fail for the Encyclopedia Biblicus.
Thank you for fighting incompetent disinformation.
Some will point a finger at a set of layers of flood material showing 36 evenly spaced floods of magnitude I will not try to expound on....big like the combined time a kid on the Persian coast would move his village two or three times a generation and as the waters rose so did civilization...say 9000 or 6000 yes ago
Tres
Well done, give the author a good spanking.
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Why is youtube giving a "flat earth" warning on this video?? TH-cam is going to shit.
The floding of the Mediterranean sea is what the Jew called the great flod
Painful!
We really don't need people that review papers and can't even spot basic math, or so humongous claims like the sea rising by 3km. (while there are careful records of sea lever over time by proxies, and also ice cores in the south pole not finding relevant things 12800 years ago). When we see the present time propaganda, or the psychological effect a huge flash flood or a tsunami can have on a local population : Noa story can come from several different facts, there are always facts triggering stories, but it is very difficult to reconcile those without solid evidence. The combination of rain, a Moon orbit 18 years oscillation, in the context of sea level rise from inter-glacial melting can be NOT smooth and gradual, even if the mean sea level climbs centimeters a year, locally this can give catastrophes that look biblical; at the time there was to telegraph to ask if the next city was fine or obliterated as well ; it can be difficult to assess natural disaster damage area when you are in mud to the neck without rescue helicopters and internet communications. It would be foolish to say that nothing happened, but there is no need for a global flood to give birth to a story. I was in a forest fire once, I feared for my life, from my point of view it was looking that the end of the world, in 3 years I cut 800 trees, so the fire was not so huge. Exageration is human.
AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA! TH-cam is pushing flat earth now? Why am I not surprised??? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Circling the drain.
what are you talking about? if anything they are starting to actively "inform" viewers of any so called scientific consensus (warning consensus on anything at all is total nonsense and should trigger a red flag), they use stupid "fact checkers" who prolly know nothing about anything scientific or the process science follows, including the total freedom to discuss hypotheses and it seems now they also use ai or algorithms to mark new video's..
It's so obvious to me that YT, and who knows who else, is deliberately connecting this fake nonsense as well as flat earth "science" to Tony's astute explanations of the YD event making it easy to dismiss his work. You must be very close to truth Tony to have them now using this thinly disguised attack on your work. Please don't stop! The ONLY thing that matters, in the end, is TRUTH.
I sent YT a feedback telling them that this video was not about the Flat Earth Theory and to fuck off! LOL
Thank you for sending feedback to TH-cam. I don't see those warnings on my own videos, and this is the second time that one of my videos got tagged.
@@Antonio_Zamora Get on another computer, and get on TH-cam, but don't log in. Navigate to your video as an anonymous user, and then you might see the warning about flat earth, right under your video.
LMAO I love this
The paper is so pathetic that it is funny.
@@Antonio_Zamora it's not to say that the flood didn't happen, but his idea that the oceans were almost 4km shallower is laughable. That's most of the world's ocean's depth. I think some of the great lakes in North America are the impact sites.
Hhmm.....this author holds a PhD and used to teach (I think) at the NPS? Wow!
Yes, he used to teach, so I think that he should know science. This is why I think that his misrepresentations are intentional to profit from gullible readers.
Around 9:45 you can hear Antonios voice go from slight aggravation to blatant holding back of laughter at this ... "peer reviewed" not even footnote in the history,of the His Story that Jaye wishes so badly was true. Jaye, you are a hack, go back to college kid.
Uno
Ta :)
Nice takedown. I like how the author tries to obscure their real motivations by going on about unifying science with "the human narrative tradition" when they actually mean religious fundamentalism
hilarious
This paper is one-hot-mess! "Mess", being the operative word.
Lolol you gotta stop promoting flat earth basins, bowls and plates.
On the contrary! The TH-cam Flat Earth context for my videos made me so upset that I am going to make a video about the Flat Earth.
@@Antonio_Zamora Don't forget to mention the Great A'Tuin!
I don't know why you took it upon yourself to attack Velikovsky. While some of his ideas don't hold water, others do. When one is reviewing lore, and mythical records of cataclysmic events, you are hamstrung by the lack of factual data to refer to. Here you are pushing a global cataclysm, as did he. You posit an extraterrestrial object struck the ice sheet. Possibly multiple objects. Perhaps it could have been a cometary body that hit the Roche limit and disintegrated, and the remainders are now the Taurid meteor stream. Who knows? He was bringing catastrophism to the forefront of our collective awareness, which your hypothesis depends on. I think slamming him was unkind and uncalled for on your part. He did the best he could with what he had. One of his ideas was close encounters with other planetary bodies, which is not implausible, considering how many thousands of planets have been recently discovered that are not orbiting stars. How difficult would it be for the sun to capture one? I suggest you download the Universe Sandbox and it has our solar system in it and it is science based on the laws of motion etc. and you can simulate for yourself what happens to the orbits of the planets in our solar system when a rogue planet is captured.
You said that yourself. Some of Velikovsky's ideas don't hold water. I think that the Atlantis story still has merit based on what we know about sea level rise during the past 20,000 years, but that was Plato's story retold by Velikovsky. This one holds water :-)
@@Antonio_Zamora Thanks - the whole biblical flood (one of many) can be explained easily by a close encounter with a celestial body, the tidal forces would be immense. I read some time back that South America has risen thousands of feet - that Lake Titicaca was once at sea level, and would explain the terracing for raising crops that would be productive at a lower elevation. The tidal effects of such an encounter could affect the crust in addition to water. It could also affect the earth's orbit, and it's attendant climate changes. Something was going on with this 1300 year drop in temperature that is beyond the scope of a meteor strike on or airburst above the Laurentide Ice sheet. That doesn't deny your theory, but however, the theory doesn't seem sufficient to explain the whole of the cataclysm.
@@gerretw I read some time ago that two weeks of lockdown would flatten the curve and we would all be free again. I read some time ago that Aliens built the pyramids. I read some time ago that the Titanic was sunk by an iceberg. I read some time ago JFK was killed by Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone. I read some time ago the Earth was flat. I read some time ago that sometimes tigers come to tea. As you can see I'm very educated.
@@CandideSchmyles Then you know about isostatic rebound or crustal rebound and how the crust can move vertically in addition to horizontally. I like science minded people like yourself who aren't swayed by propaganda, and pseudo science. Cheers!
Peer review is a joke.