There are 2 types of infra red. As long as you feel heat , it is infra red. There are the short wavelength infrared and this is what we get from the sun as well as the yellow electric heater. Short wavelength infrared not only warm your body but also heat up the air in the room. This electric heater will also emit some long wavelength infrared. The long infrared , however, do not heat the air. It reaches your body directly. The long infrared heater will also emit short infrared and this is why it will also warm up the air around it but at a much slower rate. Increasing the ambient temperature for control doesn't do much in controlling the long wavelength infrared.
I have the same 500~600W panel as you. Putting reflective alufoil just a few mm from it's back increases the heat from the front. Also it's heated by just the same resistive heating wire as any other space heater.
The problem with infrared heating is that you feel the heat on the parts of your body facing the infrared waves while you feel the cold air on other parts of you body. This is not confortable. However if you can install 2 or 3 panels around you then you will feel great.
Nice - because they're so simple.....no ugly pipes, boilers, tanks, controls....not to mention no regular servicing required. Been looking at air source heat pumps here in UK - but after realising quite how much upheaval it would cause to fit, I think I prefer to pay more in electricity charges - and have something nice and simple such as infrared.
"I HOPE that it doesn't cause that much cancer" 😅. Good vid though. These seem like a great idea to put near places you plan to be sitting for a long time as they can warm up your body directly like those heatlamps for reptiles lol. Heating all the air inside your room or house is just a huge waste unless you are gonna be constantly walking around. Plus heating the air by convection means it holds more moisture which increases evaporation from the mucous membranes in your nasopharynx, making your nose and throat feel dry. These infrared panels shouldn't have that problem I'm guessing, although I've never tried one
We're keeping it noticeably warmer, the cost went down even though the usage went up because of how we're using them tactically. Sorry for the confusion! They're still going and very nice about a year later.
Wouldn't the heat pump "switch" need to be mapped against that year's temperatures vs the previous? And are you amortizing battery cost to arbitrage costs?
Yeah exactly I went back to add all the temperature data to my spreadsheet, and it's usually a few degrees different but years don't vary too much. It's splitting hairs to some extent, but switching from gas to heat pump saved so much energy the temperature variations were inconsequential year-to-year. As for the heat pump only year, to the added IR panel year, then yeah the temp difference was more consequential. Not amortizing in any sense that I understand. We paid everything outright and since then have saved ~$2k a year, now our total "remaining cost" is around $26k for the solar and batteries (down from $32k) if that's what you mean.
I doubt it could do it on its own. It would really depend on what else you had going in your favor, like insulation or thermal mass. We use ours only for main heat when it's pretty mild out/nights. For instance, when it was early October and the nights were cold but the days were warm. The house would warm up by afternoon, but then before bed I'd turn the panel on instead of the central heat. That being said, it could make the difference between life/death in a survival situation...if you didn't have any other options.
Yes as long as you have the correct size panel(s) and positioned correctly, sufficient insulation. Poor insulation means you need the panels to be running more often but with -10 and say 10cm insulation they would need to run at least 4x a day, so like 4-5hrs in operation.
a heatpump is'nt that efficient, when a gasboiler with radiators has a 95+ efficiency, a heatpump has only 55 of efficiency it is great for houses that are completely packed with insulation and floor heating, but otherwise insuficient for heating your home it's also very high in consuming energy, a heatpump is at least 5Kw, and almost stays on constantly where as infrared panels are modulating and directing heat at 300w-1Kw, you can place several around the house to equal the power needed to power 1 heatpump
Great info!! Thank you so much. We are renovating an old house from 1887 and putting in everything g new. This will be our choice for heating!
There are 2 types of infra red. As long as you feel heat , it is infra red. There are the short wavelength infrared and this is what we get from the sun as well as the yellow electric heater. Short wavelength infrared not only warm your body but also heat up the air in the room. This electric heater will also emit some long wavelength infrared.
The long infrared , however, do not heat the air. It reaches your body directly. The long infrared heater will also emit short infrared and this is why it will also warm up the air around it but at a much slower rate. Increasing the ambient temperature for control doesn't do much in controlling the long wavelength infrared.
Thank you so much. Just what I was looking for. Looking forward to an update on this year.
Thank you for the plain english version on the topic of infrared heat panels👍✌
I have the same 500~600W panel as you.
Putting reflective alufoil just a few mm from it's back increases the heat from the front.
Also it's heated by just the same resistive heating wire as any other space heater.
It's amazing what reconfiguring can do!
The problem with infrared heating is that you feel the heat on the parts of your body facing the infrared waves while you feel the cold air on other parts of you body. This is not confortable. However if you can install 2 or 3 panels around you then you will feel great.
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Nice - because they're so simple.....no ugly pipes, boilers, tanks, controls....not to mention no regular servicing required. Been looking at air source heat pumps here in UK - but after realising quite how much upheaval it would cause to fit, I think I prefer to pay more in electricity charges - and have something nice and simple such as infrared.
Amaze 600w, I can only find this on Google as a convection panel, not infrared
"I HOPE that it doesn't cause that much cancer" 😅. Good vid though. These seem like a great idea to put near places you plan to be sitting for a long time as they can warm up your body directly like those heatlamps for reptiles lol. Heating all the air inside your room or house is just a huge waste unless you are gonna be constantly walking around. Plus heating the air by convection means it holds more moisture which increases evaporation from the mucous membranes in your nasopharynx, making your nose and throat feel dry. These infrared panels shouldn't have that problem I'm guessing, although I've never tried one
Maybe I'm misunderstanding the graph but shouldn't your electricity use drop when you bought the panels?
We're keeping it noticeably warmer, the cost went down even though the usage went up because of how we're using them tactically. Sorry for the confusion! They're still going and very nice about a year later.
@@ShortVersion1 Surely the only way the cost went down while the consumption increased was because the price fell?
I forgot to say that if you remove the front panel you should receive more infrared.
Wouldn't the heat pump "switch" need to be mapped against that year's temperatures vs the previous? And are you amortizing battery cost to arbitrage costs?
Yeah exactly
I went back to add all the temperature data to my spreadsheet, and it's usually a few degrees different but years don't vary too much.
It's splitting hairs to some extent, but switching from gas to heat pump saved so much energy the temperature variations were inconsequential year-to-year.
As for the heat pump only year, to the added IR panel year, then yeah the temp difference was more consequential.
Not amortizing in any sense that I understand. We paid everything outright and since then have saved ~$2k a year, now our total "remaining cost" is around $26k for the solar and batteries (down from $32k) if that's what you mean.
What brand did you use and have you tried any ceiling mounts in dining or bedrooms?
They are Amaze brand and no we've never mounted to the ceiling, I think you'd cover more area with them facing horizontally.
do you have a link to the product? Is it available in the USA?
It's the Amaze 600w heater, I got it from Lowe's. It is for sale in the US, for sure.
can it keep a 12ftx10ft room at 18*C if it's about -10*C outside ?
I doubt it could do it on its own. It would really depend on what else you had going in your favor, like insulation or thermal mass.
We use ours only for main heat when it's pretty mild out/nights. For instance, when it was early October and the nights were cold but the days were warm. The house would warm up by afternoon, but then before bed I'd turn the panel on instead of the central heat.
That being said, it could make the difference between life/death in a survival situation...if you didn't have any other options.
Yes as long as you have the correct size panel(s) and positioned correctly, sufficient insulation. Poor insulation means you need the panels to be running more often but with -10 and say 10cm insulation they would need to run at least 4x a day, so like 4-5hrs in operation.
product inks?
No links, but it's the Amaze brand name!
a heatpump is'nt that efficient, when a gasboiler with radiators has a 95+ efficiency, a heatpump has only 55 of efficiency
it is great for houses that are completely packed with insulation and floor heating, but otherwise insuficient for heating your home
it's also very high in consuming energy, a heatpump is at least 5Kw, and almost stays on constantly
where as infrared panels are modulating and directing heat at 300w-1Kw, you can place several around the house to equal the power needed to power 1 heatpump
Infrared is Bad for Your skin
I'm no doctor, but it's generally accepted UV is bad for your skin. Infrared is just heat.