If you have 10 acres and a budget, a gas powered Ford, Deere, or whatever will by far be your best bet. Cheap, plenty of power, easy to work on, usable features even for modern equipment. Loaders are nice but I would rather have a good skid steer and an older tractor for nearly the same $$$ as a compact tractor. To each their own and whatever you want to afford.
Buddy of mine inherited $200k when his mother passed away. He invested $100k with a stock broker and $100k in old tractors. He started with Farmalls and when he got through purchasing and restoring the line he moved to Deere until he spent the $100k purchasing and restoring all the Deere's he wanted. Then he sold almost all of them. His stock broker made him almost 15% The sale of the tractors made him 200+% on his investment. If you can invest wisely and do your own work. There's a lot of money to be made in old gas tractors!
That's ok if you can do the restorations yourself. Try paying for a restoration and it will cost more than the restored tractor is worth. It seems that older running tractors aren't worth much less than restored ones.
I knew some folks in the comments would understand! Old tractors have a stable resale value. They're all worth about the same very little that you paid for them, more or less.
The money is in a Ford 8N even though I find the tractor useless... A tractor new that went for seven eight hundred dollars.. there is still fools out there that will pay $2,500 to $3,500
I guess it all depends where you live. In my area the old gas tractors, like the Ford 600 series, don't gather any dust if they are in decent mechanical condition. Lots of small part time farms here and the old tractors are in demand because of low cost, easy maintenance and no complicated electronics. I've been running a Ford 601 for 27 years to bush hog, haul firewood, plow and rototill. I can't imagine a better more reliable fit for my 50 acres.
I am a fairly new tractor owner. Have used others many years in side jobs I’ve had but only a year ago got my own JD 1023. Since I’ve found your channel I’ve been soaking up the info. Still working through your many videos but I appreciate the information you give…been very helpful!
I guess you should add any Mahindra and Kioti tractors to that list. It took a while, but people got the message when they found the warranties were a joke and replacement parts are impossible to get.
@@RustyZipper bob cat previous asnd now are kioti. I have 2 kiotis and you need parts only when they break. Knock on wood...they don't break. I did have a warranty leak on my CK35, no issues. and 'resale value' is somewhat relative - if you buy a deere or kubota and pay 20-30% more than I did for a kioti...you're gonna end up losing more than me in the end. And ifyou keep your tractor 10, 15 years then resale only goes so low as long as it still works.
Talking about "off brands" made me think about a deal we ran into back in the 90's. Buddy of my dads had bought a "Farm King" branded tractor that had major brake issues- as in brakes totally inop. After digging a bit, found out the tractor was built by Zetor in Czechoslovakia, and that parts were unavailable since the country had split up, so had the company. As I recall, took my Dad about 3 months to get parts figured out (as in using brake seals from a Studebaker kit)
Reminds me of the older Bob Cat compact tractors. Good luck getting parts now since they stopped selling them and now re-started them but for how long? 🤣
Hey Mike thanks for all the great information you always have ! Would you mind doing a follow up video on what is doe of the best resale tractors currently? I purchased a new 2021 Bobcat CT 1021 with a front loader and 48” brush hog and it has been a fantastic little work horse! I’m hearing now they are almost impossible to find at the dealers and the cost have went up significantly. I paid out the door $14,999.00 with a 0% loan for 60 months and I only financed $8,000 so my monthly payment is fairly reasonable since I’m retired and on a fixed income. I’m hearing that same unit is now going for $20,000 plus . I would be interested in hearing your take on this situation. Thanks a good for all the great information you put out!
I wish that more modern options existed similar to an old International Super A or 140... cultivision single row cultivator machine. I know of the Tilmor, and the Oggun, but I could see a market for these again.
In 2018 We bought a Massey GC 1710 with loader and backhoe. We got it for $5000 less than a J Deere 1025R. Same size, same attachments. I asked the dealer what my Massey is worth now - March 2022, He said almost as much as you paid, they're not losing value.
Great content and great video! Just to clarify some of the information you shared. AGCO owns Massey Ferguson (along with a number of other brands worldwide). From what I have been told AGCO has made the mistake of following the John Deere path of chasing the high end market of combines and tractors. They have left the growing smaller market of hobby farmists and consumers (compact and sub-compact tractors). There are rumors that some dealers are abandoning supporting AGCO because they cannot find support from AGCO. On another note you should focus on how important it is to buy from a local dealer. Buying a tractor is very different than buying a car. People have the mindset that it is the same but it is not. That is in respect to the market segments. You have this ever growing segment of small acre farmers that are buying sub compact/ compact tractors. These are not your traditional customers. I have a Kubota L2501 and I would say I knew a good bit about tractors before. I am so glad I bought from a dealer close to me (I have three to choose). There have been issues that have come up that would have been daunting if I had not purchased local. Hope this helps. Thanks again for the great info. You have been a huge help over the years to my purchasing a tractor.
Friends, if you are worried about resale value on a tractor that you are using to do work then your work didnt need to be done. Conversely if you tractor doesnt pay for itself after the first 3 years then you are not doing real work. If you want to be a clearing house for tractors then know resale value and turn a dollar. If you are doing work, get the tractor you need for a fair price and move on !
With older JD compacts and if your on a tight budget, it's easier to buy the backhoe/loader first, then find the tractor to those attachments second. Hard to find an 8b backhoe/300cx/80/430 loader to that 1070. If you keep your options open it's much easier to find the tractor after the fact.
One thing to watch for in used 4WD tractors is the front axle. If it needs repair, parts will be expensive and likely hard to get. Even major manufacturers like John Deere bought front axles from various manufacturers and many times parts are unobtanium
Mike my grandfather bought a Long 360 for our farm and it was a great tractor. It was my first experience with a tractor. Wow that brings back so many childhood memories.
Good info , I found over the years sticking with JD and Kubota you can't go wrong. You will always be able to get the part you need somewhere no matter the age.
You can add case commercial tractors prior to CASE-IH merger. I had a 73' Case 480 CK backhoe, and it was really hard to find parts for it. Case carried some filters, and that was it. Luckily the engine was common to a bunch of tractors and you can get rebuild kits. I also notice now that parts are much more plentiful for my 65 Ford 3000 diesel. Great channel...keep up your good work.
William learned to operate a 580-C my uncle had in side sewer business. I just practice digging in his storage yard. The case control were easy to learn. And when you look at all LARGE strip mining. The swing is foot pedal on those drag lines or shovels. Have a P&H manual and the cab diagram shows Foot control for swing. I ran a 70s era 480-C for a utility company worked for. My first job was digging up water service at main, disconnect the curb stops cut the service off, they were moving all the house's out for Airport expansion. It was fun job with 480-C case. The boom had the early 580- C design with dipper and boom cylinders on boom. The front loader had two Levers instead of joy stick. I dug lots of Ditches with that 480-C Interesting design for Case backhoes. The 580-C made Case lots of money over the years. Now NH has this huge and I mean huge skid steer track loader. Easy reach for 12 yard dumps. And the front bucket is massive.
As you eluded to the problem with gas tractors is that most of them are pushing 50+ years old at this point and parts for some of them are getting hard to get. If you have a Ford N series you can get just about any part for those till the end of humanity due to just how many of them were made. Now the quality of those parts is questionable though in alot of cases. With that said the next generation the Ford NAA you have alot of problems getting hydraulic parts (particularly position control stuff) because it just isn't out there anymore and 99% of the folks that would want to use one of those old tractors would want the 3pt operating in position control all the time. Not to mention almost all of them are 2wd only. I love those old gas tractors and you can get one for a steal if you shop right but you gotta be careful too because you might have a tough time with parts.
I've watched most of your videos before I went with a 1025R. The only dealers in town were green and orange and I don't like the treadle pedal so green it was. Yes, I could have gotten use to the pedal but I'm old and grumpy. I don't "need" a tractor at all but it will be useful around our 3 acres as well and using the land plane on our gravel road in our development. I found your videos very informative. Short. Concise. To the point. Thanks again.
Interesting thoughts about the turf tires. When I was trying to decide what to buy, I had a salesman try to convince me that the turf tires would be better in the snow because of all of the edges within the tread. I ended up going with R-4 tires so I don't know if he was right or not, not to mention that I haven't needed to use my tractor in the snow since I got it because we haven't had that much snow in the last few years.
Turf tires are only good for not tearing up turf , their traction on turf is still not very good never mind snow . R-4 is better , best I've seen for snow was a little Kubota that got changed over every fall to a set of radial grip truck tires
If you look at your owner's manual you will find turf tires are not very good for loader work. The sidewalls aren't that strong and the weight handling is half that of R-4s. On my 50hp Boomer the manual lists weight capacity of tires at minimum pressure: R-1 Ag, 875 lbs.; R-3 Turf 1250 lbs.; R-4 Industrial 2420 lbs. If you are primarily doing loader work, R4s; pulling tillage implements, R1s; landscaping, mowing, mostly on grass, turfs.
I have and love a pair of old Ford 8N's with frontloaders, and totally agree. I wouldn't recommend any 'small' 2wd tractor if you want to get any real work done. If you just want something that's fun to tinker on, disregard all sensible advice and do what I do!
My dad has an 8N, it’s getting a new motor and fresh paint as we speak. Unfortunately it only lasted 70 years. Probably in 2092 it will need a refresh 🤷♂️
Ford tractors seem to hold their value pretty well in my observations. I have a 48 8n and people are constantly trying to buy it. Parts are plentiful and it is still a good running useful tractor. I did buy a new Branson last spring, but kept my old Ford.
My brother has a 51 8N and the engine is bad. Are rebuilt engines available and if so can you direct me to a site? The block is cracked in his. Thank you.
Great points. I'm one of those who own a tractor that fits into several of these categories. My little tractor is a project that I am absolutely in love with, but it's still a project that's going to end up quite expensive... much more than the little tractor is worth. The real value it has is in my love for it. I would never recommend doing what I'm doing to another as it's a lot of work, and the actual dollar value just isn't there. But I love the full concept of what I'm doing, and I don't have any interest getting rid of it anyway. I have a 1979 Power King 1614 economy tractor with a hydraulic rear 3 point lift. The 14hp kohler k321 engine recently gave up, and has to be replaced. I was originally looking at repairing the engine, but I decided to go a completely different route. I happen to have a good running Kubota D600 3 cylinder diesel engine with the cooling system as well. I'm going to cut and stretch the frame 4"-6", and do the same with the hood. The 3 point hitch lift arms and top link have been converted from category 0 to category 1 using a kit from agri-supply. This is a gear drive tractor with a 3 speed plus reverse, and has a 3 groove pulley between the engine and clutch leading into the transmission. The rear groove drives the hydraulic pump for the rear 3 point. The other 2 grooves are free to use on other pumps. I will build a complete subframe that runs just short of the length of the tractor including brackets to mount a front end loader to the tractor. I have a Yanmar yfl 1500 front end loader to be retrofitted to the tractor. It will be powered by an 11gpm belt drive pump, and operated by a summit hydraulics remote. This is going to take quite a bit of fabrication to make everything work correctly. The economy tractors made by Power King did not have rear ptos. They used a mule drive setup from the front of the engine. To resolve this issue, I'll be using a hydraulic motor and another 11gpm pump to create the pto system for the rear. When it's done, this will be one cool little tractor, but it's gonna cost me much more than it's worth. I'm doing this for a fun project. I'd never try to do this to save money. A good sub compact, or compact 4 wheel drive tractor with front end loader is almost always the best route for the common needs for most tractor owners.
thanks for sharing this video. resale value on 40+ -year-old tractors has come up a little bit but not much. I just bought a new tractor to replace my 1959 Ford 801 series tractor I was going to sell it but I don't think I could get anything for it and I don't want to give it away
A Ford 801 should bring pretty good money if it has been cared for, their values have risen a lot in the last 15yrs with homesteading and small farming a growing life style. If its in good shape with good tires, expect $3-4,000 for it.
Know what you mean, bought my 841 last year for $900. Spent a couple of days getting it running (mainly from sitting) but wound up with a tractor meeting most of my needs
I think this makes total sense from a dealer perspective. However, I've watched the old gas tractors climb back in price from when they couldn't find a bid at auctions in the 70s and 80s. Many common antique gas tractors just live at a lower cost basis in my mind, too low for a dealer to hold in inventory at a sellable price. I don't see a shortage of demand or a depreciated price when I go to buy. It's just a smaller collector market buying for provenance rather than the latest and greatest functions.
I would agree with you. The older gas tractors aren't big money makers for anyone but often you can find a solid tractor to run a bush hog for $2000. Much easier to justify than $20k or more for a modern 4wd loader tractor. I have an Oliver 550 that mows, rototills, pulls a manure spreader and runs a snowblower without a big investment
Been around farming all my 75 years and everything he said is absolutely right, I can remember in the 70s I was restoring old Cars in the winter I always wanted and drove all over my State of NE, IA, SD looking for old cars and would see late model Tractors, Combines and all sorts of new farm equipment sitting out in the fields all winter or until they needed them again.
Whenever I see a tractor rotting in the woods or on a field, I always wonder how someone can just afford to let something rot? I keep my tractor and skid steer under a lean to most of the time. I have too much money in them.
I agree. I think it has something to do with the times when they went out to pasture. There was a point when an old gas tractor was a mark of shame. It meant a farmer wasn't keeping up with the times and taking out big mortgages to get big and modern. You could get those older tractors at auction running for $100 all over in the early 80s. I think guys who had them broken down couldn't bare to scrap them, but couldn't sell them for anything, so there they sat.
I recently purchased a 2008 Kubota 4900 2wd with a bucket loader and it came with a brand new 7f1 land pride rotary cutter and a land pride box blade. The tractor only has 600 hours on it and was kept in a barn for it's whole life. I only gave $13,000 for it. It's a huge upgrade from my 1975 Ford 3400.
Long Mfg was located in Tarboro, N.C. their most famous products were the "Silent Flame" line of self propelled tobacco harvesters. The also made tobacco tiring/looping machines. Yes, they did import tractors from Eastern Europe, most notably the Long 445 and 460 models. I cultivated corn with a 445 and it was a good handling tractor. Oliver also-ran imported a version of this tractor. Long also imported Leyland tractors (including a backhoe) from Great Britain. Toward the end they marketed a Ford unit called the Farmtrac.
We had a 445 in the 1980’s mainly used it for spraying tobacco and pulling tobacco wagons. My neighbor bought a farm trac finding parts is a pain for him.
Very true stuff. We under room as much equipment as we can, and wash things as much as possible. There is a reason we still have some 40 year old iron running, and the paint is fair to good. Most utility tractors won't put 200 hours a year, and with 7-10k life expectancy it will take 30 years to use the tractor up. Fixing things as they break, doing proper services and keeping them clean will ensure the machine is ready when you need it, enjoyable to operate, and maintain as much value as possible.
On our farm we run a lot of off brand tractors. Deutz Allis, Same, Landini, Agri Power, Zetor are great tractors that you don't have to pay a lot of money for and are very dependable. Parts are still widely available. Long made very good tractors. The company itself was out of North Carolina, but most of the tractors were made in Romania and some were built by Zetor and Landini.
Try an LP tractor. Gas tractors don't seem to have the resale issues an LP tractor has. First of all not many people are set up for using LP other than their barbeque grill. Second, people in the market for a 50 plus horse tractors want deisels or gas, other than collectors.
Awesome video! The market is screwed up right now but I agree with everything you said about these certain types of tractors. I paid 4k for my 2013 Kubota BX with 300 hours, I then bought a brand new loader for it for $3200 so I’m in it for $7,200 and Iv used it for years it’s done a TON of work for me.. I just recently talked to my dealer about trade in value.. they told me 7k trade in is very likely which I assumed.. so I’d say I did darn good
You got a deal. I paid 25K in 2010 for a new Kubota BX25D in Hawaii and then sipped it to Kansas. Little did I know how Hawaii dealers are so greedy. But I have to say I love the tractor.
2 years ago I would have agreed with you on the gas tractor argument but now that we are farming and I'm feeding animals everyday and bailing hay. Yes....I prefer the gas tractors because like you said they are so easy to work on and not as expensive to get new parts but for the power I need for heavy loader work I love my diesel
that JD 1070 you showed there was just like the best little utility tractor i ever owned! yes if you buy an older one, make sure it has a front end loader cuz you'll never find one for it. And make sure its the 4x4 version with both mid pto and rear pto...you can mount and run a finish mower deck under it...I used mine as a landscape construction tractor for 12 years before it was stolen and made the mistake of buying a JD hydro compact utility tractor after that...and it was a piece of crap in comparison to the 1070. I had the 440 front loader.
Hey! no fault on how it is! Older tractors and 2WD tractors are a niche market now days. All I can say is parts are redily available if you look for them, just don't expect your local dealer to have them on the shelf. Many aftermarket suppliers took over the market and its worth millions and millions of dollars making and selling parts for older machines. Ok, one more thing Mike, older machines are making a comeback like never seen before. Older tractors have really come up in demand the last 3yrs due to the lack of availability in used newer tractors as well as new tractors being harder to get. Many older tractors are selling for above to even well even even their new prices. I think its crazy! I've been looking at adding to my fleet, and the prices on old tractors are insane!
Bill I hope you make plenty more videos. I like your channel. If you're a dealer trying to make overhead, there's not much there for premiums. If you're a hobbyist trying to turn a few bucks, or just have an affordable fun working piece of equipment, I think it's a really good time.
I would happily trade the r1 tires on my 755 for turfs. In this area of the northeast turfs are very popular on cut/scut tractors. Also those that are beat to death go for ridiculous money. I say people here are to cheap for their own good. Used equipment if you look at just the initial price plus the parts cost to repair goes for more then buying one in good working condition. It’s gotten worse the last couple years. I don’t get it.
I notice that same thing. Saturday I was looking at a beat-up Farmall M that was rusty and stuck and brought $1,200 at auction. A similar tractor running with better tires and paint was on craigslist for $1,300. No return on restoration unless you've got something very desirable.
In the UK there are some brands that are hard to resell at any time. David Brown. Claas. Kubota farm tractors. Landini. Same. Lamborghini. Hurlimann. Belarus. Even Deutz are a hard sell in the UK. Then there are some models within ranges, such as US built MF that look like the AGCO Allis in the video. US built Case models from the 1970’s to 2000, the ones before Magnum and from 970 Agri-King onwards. MF6100 series from the 1990’s. The larger MF tractors of the same era and even into 6200 series. Universal tractors of any age. Chinese here-today-gone-tomorrow crap. Fords with the Funk powershift transmission that came after the TW range, including the Genesis/Versatile models. Some poor ranges still sell well even despite their issues, including JD series 20 series from the early 2000’s which were and some still are problematic in my opinion. They are green so they’ll sell regardless. Ford TW, older Ford, MF and JD models plus other classic and vintage tractors are making massive money in Europe and UK in particular. They are very much in demand from collectors and investors. Ford 7000, 7600 and 7610/7810 all County and Roadless, and MF185/188 models are especially in demand and will sell in minutes for big money.
I heard that Minneapolis Moline used to be big in Arkansas for irrigation equipment. I saw one of these tractors in North Louisiana hooked up to an irrigation pump.
I agree with your assessment, but sometimes those type tractors can be a good investment for some people in certain situations. My Ford 8N is worth more than I have in it. Easy to repair, reliable, and suits my needs. I considered buying a new Kubota, but realized I really could not justify a $20,000 investment in a tractor that sits 95 percent of the year. I grade my gravel road and skid a few logs. I have $1200 in an 8N that starts and runs great. Based on what I’m seeing now, it is worth $2500 just for the tractor. But I plan to keep my old 8N, because it gets the job done.
I have the same issues as you. I will be dragging logs mostly and keeping my long driveway usable. I might turn over a small section of soil for a personal garden. However I am looking at buying a new(ish) tractor because of two issues. I am not familiar enough with tractors to know if I was buying a piece of crap or a good deal and I have never worked on a tractor before so any repairs mean I would need to take it to be fixed, perhaps waiting on parts. I could happily buy a used one if it still had significant warranty.
@@susanconklin4945 i knew jack squat about tractors before my 9n, now im kicking around doing a rebuild on the engine this next winter myself based on how simple the old fords are, if it starts easy, stays running, moves in all gears and hydraulics work, buy the old ford, it wont be junk, it takes a lot to break them
We got a old Int. C narrow front, 12 volt. We harvest a little fire wood, brush hog a couple acres, pull a log sometimes. Love my c , and my C loves me.. I've probably spent 400.oo on it in 15years. Still worth what I paid for it. I understand it, and can generally keep it purring. What's not to like about this relationship ??
I'm 100% with this crowd. But to each their own. This gentleman owns a tractor at an investment of 50% of its resale value. Likely not paying any financing costs. Virtually nothing to lose given some type of major depreciation. The clear solution is to buy 10 vintage tractors at the price of one new Kubota, then just use the one that runs the best at the moment. ;) :) ;)
Thanks Mike, this video I was eager to hear. I thought well is he going to rail on my brand tractor that I own want all knowledge I can get. Great information.
Long tractors are fairly hard to get parts for. A lot of the Long parts are interchangeable with Fiat, Universal and UTB tractors which are still real common in Europe. I hope to find a mid 70's Long 360 one of these days; my grandad bought one new back in the day but sold it recently without me knowing it. They're good tractors though.
I really wish that someone would pick up the shovel and start a company that makes reproduction parts for unobtainable things like wheel rims for scycle bar mowers or wide front ends for John Deere model A's things that once were go to the dealership and get kind of items I had to have a guy make me a front hanger for a John Deere 10a backhoe a 20 year old part without any knowledge of what it's specks were thanks to jd trashing the blue prints and that was a nightmare imagine if I went to build a replacement wheel rim for my horse drawn scycle bar mower I still can't find one for my IHC mccormick deering no9 and I have had it since last spring these things aren't 170 years old so why are they hard to find it's our throw away society that is what it is and things need to change enough is enough
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Boy! I can’t believe how much people dislike Turf Tires. I don’t get it. I had a L3301 with Turf Tires and LOVED them. We’re on sandy soil with gravel roads and lots of grass. I never lost traction EVEN IN THE NORTHERN MICHIGAN SNOW.
You are correct about the two wheel drive tractors the smaller ones don't do as well in the mud. I have 3 older 2wd tractors all three have front loaders. A 1989 39hp IMT 539 ; 1990 92hp Massey Ferguson 3070 cab ; 2004 64hp John Deere 5320 cab: my 3070 Massey with fuild in the tires and loader weights about 12,000 lbs. with 18.4x34 rear tires . and can go and pull a lot more in the mud then my 5320 John Deere 18.4x28 rear tires with fluid.
All true. Here in WY We looked at many including an 80s fiat 680dt with loader and 5700hrs for $13k. It was a pile of garbage. Couple days later we bought a great condition 2006 Challenger MT265B power shuttle 4x4 475hrs with loader, generator, box blade, scraper, brush hog, and rake for $18k. Seller even delivered some of the implements to our house. Also thats the same as MF 1533. Both made by Agco. In our area that was about as good a deal as we were going to find and I dont think we'll ever regret spending the money.
I like my dinosaur equipment! It doesn't owe me anything, my Farmall Cub (1950) has served me well over the years, only cost me $750 30+ years ago. If one knows where to look, the parts and a good old time dealership can be found.
Man, you speak the truth! Never do it again. I got a free 1988 John Deere 332 16hp diesel one owner only 898 hours with mower deck, plow & MCS I had all the pieces. However, parts are very expensive & hard to find. The bodywork, new paint, new thermostatic, new deck wheels, hydraulic lines for plow & new belts. I was out $1900 in parts not including labor. I sold for $2500 good riddance vintage tractors a true money pit. It had some slope in steering. The tractor was mechanically maintained. Thank you, Jesus it sold! I noticed a little water starting to drip from the water pump.
I have a 2wd New Holland TC 18 with turfs just like pictured and it goes anywhere in leave a trench mud and it goes just fine. I also have a 4wd Kubota B2320 with ags, and a 4wd Kubota L3700SU with turfs. Loaded turfs will go better than unloaded ags. Unless you have a need for 4wd, don't turn down 4wd. I even have a loader on the TC 18 and my only complaint is no hydro or power steering. Traction isn't my complaint. The New Holland is still my favorite of the 3.
Mike, Speaking of equipment to avoid... Have you looked at Twitter and other sources about use of tractors in Ukraine to "relocate slightly used" Russian equipment... Someone's going to have the guts to do that video compilation and make a ton of TH-cam click $ FWIW. ;-)
Gas .75 a gallon cheaper and if you ever get in a war you can’t get diesel, ever tank in the world runs on gas you will always be able to get gas diesel compression 17.5/1 gas 6.5/1 rev a diesel 3000 rpm broken crank shaft plus let’s just use JD for example 3020 gas 62 hp 3020 diesel 73 hp at best you are losing about 11 hp on a tractor that you can work on and fuel will hopefully be available or.75 more a gallon for fuel you might not be able to get.Back to gas a second and a turbo to the gas like in tanks and you greatly raise the hp . Why do you think the military uses gas ?
I know what you mean about older gas tractors. I had a 2 wheel drive '65 International 504 gas job that had a loader with a trip lever style manure bucket that was converted to hydraulic. It served me well for several years of brush hog work. After a few years, I got a used 2005 John Deere 4520. What a difference 40 years of technology makes! The JD actually has brakes that work, and it's a 4wd vs the 2wd IH. Just everything about the JD is better. It's a power reverser with 12 speeds compared to the IH with a torque amplifier, I don't remember how many speeds it had. The T/A had its strong points but nothing like the JD trans. The gas job did about 2 gallons per hour where the JD does about 1 gph when brush hogging. The draw back at least now a days is the cost of diesel fuel. But anyway,i the IH was a good tractor. Like I said, it served me very well, but the newer tractors are better in just about any way you look at it. At least in my own opinion.
I have a 1983 Allis Chalmers 5020 2 Cyc. diesel with a 6.5 foot plow. Full hydraulics lift and swing right or left. 674 Actual hours. Has always been in a garage and original paint and tin including decals looks like new. Am the 2nd owner and knew the first. Has always been well maintained. Engine runs great. Am running T6 Rotella. Turf tires with chains. Rear wheel drive. Does this tractor still hold it's value even though it's older?
Well sir I'll tell you what I found out about tractor Brands I found out a Tafe tractor is made by LG which is LS Cable in LS tractor. And so are most of the newer Montana's that are left out there and the older Montana tractors were made by day Dawn which is kioti
I'm sure this fella knows his stuff.....however.....he seems to be extremely repetitive in his commentary...like he is getting paid per word....oh well....this is free !
2500 bucks for a wd45 wide front gas.with a loader full hydraulics 3 point upgrade power steering. I will never pay 20k+ even with 0% finance on a new machine.
A good dependable older cheaper tractor will always sell. Some may sell better then others. I gave $5000 15 years ago for my 1989 IMT 539 39 hp with a front loader and bucket. Been a great little tractor I love it for what it is and what it can do. I Bushhog, mow hay, rake hay , Tedder hay , plow disc , rotor till , load hay , cultivate the garden with it. Still going strong I have replaced some parts on it over the years. Alternator , starter, power steering pump, and hydraulic pump.
I 'd rather have gas. The diesel stuff I had , was too hard to start in the winter. I bought a JD 2020 gas tractor, a 1965 model , about 10 years ago. It's been great . As long as you have a good battery in it, it WILL start in the winter, doesn't use oil, easy to get off and on. I don't care about resale value , I 'm not gonna get rid of it. I suppose parts for it will be available for a long time. I'll jus fix it myself is something goes bad. I recently changed my bucket over to quick attach . This old JD had a lot of good features for it's time. If I had my way gas tractors would still be made
Long tractors are much the same as Universal tractors, Heston and some White tractors. They are now being produced under the AL GHAZI brand in Pakistan as of 2021. They seem to have some reference to New Holland over there as well. Just google them for more information.
I grew up on the farm in minnesota 1950's. big tractor was a 1946 johndeere model A. small tractor was a 1938 johndeere model B. a ford 8n added for mowing and light duty. that was it for then. the farm is gone but my cousin still has both the johndeere tractors. they still work. no one farms with them anymore.
I own a 1978 Dynahoe 190 does anyone remember those beasts. It's two wheel drive. I had to change the tires on it when I got her in 2003, got a good deal on rear style backhoe tires so the first thing people think, or ask is it 4 wheel drive It wht. Is 19000 pounds. I get stuck a lot, what I do is walk myself out of any stuck situation, is walk myself with that massive backhoe, why did I buy it, with only 2 wheel drive. Because it's like the guy who has his favorite Muscle car. It's my Little Muskie ( named after Big Muskie) the biggest Dragline ever built. It's my Little Muskie for my small and I mean small garden when that Dynahoe is in it. I just turn all my soil over in my garden. Dig it all up in big pile. Then spread it flat again in spring. You are so right about parts. Was able to get 5 Hydraulic filters for her from Marine vessel parts shop. Believe it or not they where turning over inventory. Those filters were not selling so they were going to throw in garbage. It's hard to find parts for her. Was able to get Case or JD pins to work.same size for cylinders attaching.
the crazy thing in ohio is parts tractors for old fords are selling for like $1000, i think its due to the compact market jumping up and guys wanting a small mowing tractor for relatively cheap compared to a $20k deere, mahindra, or kubota
Gas tractor resale value? Compared to diesel is going to be cheaper? Gas motor was cheaper from the start. Any gas tractor with 3 point from the 50’s and newer. Most still sell for more, than they costed new. Only thing I agree with is the turf tire and long statement. And as for Agco compact tractors they are hard for parts. Most overseas tractors are.
I am thinking of buying one of these small neat tractors like yanmar and iseki. 4wd or 2wd. Preferably with a fel and grass tyres Dont see the problem with traction. Cant you just put some heavy weight on the lift arms?
I'm from Midway Louisiana an I purchased a 1968 Ford 3000 front End loader an I paid little to much than I should have,I was mainly after the front End loader to lift up tree brush and the logs , at the time we had 3 major Hurricanes come through an my MT 52 Mini Skid had got stolen but I recovered it an I'm it ligations to recover repair money on the mini an I paid $3500 for the 3000 an I made way over the price I paid for the Tractor I'm talking about 5 times over an still using it today. I also added a fold up fork system on the bucket that folds out the way an I can still load ,spread aggregates.
Hi. New to the channel. Just subscribed. I have a 80s JD850 2 wheel drive, turf tires, and FEL. And let me tell you that you are spot on. It doesn’t take much at all to get me stuck then I gotta dump out my bucket of material and use the bucket to get me unstuck. I bought it because like you mentioned in your last video, there is no preowned market right now and it was really all that was available. But I got her fair and still love her for all the back breaking work she saves me
Why not buy a real tractor instead of those toys? BTW given global tensions how would you like to be the poor slug who owns or better yet tries to trade off a Belluruskie? And don't forget SAME or Satoh Kioti etc. And yes worn out means worn out.
Mike. I agree with your message. But if you are not looking to resale values and more at the value a loader brings to you and your back, there is a value that should be considered. if you plan on keeping equipment for many years the investment might payoff.
My agco allis aircooled 4650 same tractor is the one tractor I would never sell . Have owned for over 20 years .no problem getting parts at agco Massey dealer
Yes I have two gas engine tractors 8n ford massey ferguson 35 they are what I need to play with not to do professional land cleaning but fun to work on and drive. I have a old diesel tractor imt 542 deluxe it runs great for me thanks for the video
You’d have to go aftermarket for the loader and since it never had one, it probably doesn’t have the remote hydraulics required, or power steering. Those items have been unavailable for years. Hard pass unless you don’t want a loader.
If you have 10 acres and a budget, a gas powered Ford, Deere, or whatever will by far be your best bet. Cheap, plenty of power, easy to work on, usable features even for modern equipment. Loaders are nice but I would rather have a good skid steer and an older tractor for nearly the same $$$ as a compact tractor. To each their own and whatever you want to afford.
Buddy of mine inherited $200k when his mother passed away. He invested $100k with a stock broker and $100k in old tractors. He started with Farmalls and when he got through purchasing and restoring the line he moved to Deere until he spent the $100k purchasing and restoring all the Deere's he wanted. Then he sold almost all of them. His stock broker made him almost 15%
The sale of the tractors made him 200+% on his investment. If you can invest wisely and do your own work. There's a lot of money to be made in old gas tractors!
Typical result may vary. Buyer discretion is advised. 😁
@@OzziesOddities you're right, unless you get one dirt cheap, perfect condition and your a painter lol.
That's ok if you can do the restorations yourself. Try paying for a restoration and it will cost more than the restored tractor is worth. It seems that older running tractors aren't worth much less than restored ones.
I don't care about resale values. I like the cheap old tractors because they are cheap and can get the job done.
The older tractors seem strong for their size plus they lack the dpf
That’s right. Buy them cheap and run them till the wheels fall off
I knew some folks in the comments would understand! Old tractors have a stable resale value. They're all worth about the same very little that you paid for them, more or less.
The money is in a Ford 8N even though I find the tractor useless... A tractor new that went for seven eight hundred dollars.. there is still fools out there that will pay $2,500 to $3,500
I guess it all depends where you live. In my area the old gas tractors, like the Ford 600 series, don't gather any dust if they are in decent mechanical condition. Lots of small part time farms here and the old tractors are in demand because of low cost, easy maintenance and no complicated electronics. I've been running a Ford 601 for 27 years to bush hog, haul firewood, plow and rototill. I can't imagine a better more reliable fit for my 50 acres.
I am a fairly new tractor owner. Have used others many years in side jobs I’ve had but only a year ago got my own JD 1023. Since I’ve found your channel I’ve been soaking up the info. Still working through your many videos but I appreciate the information you give…been very helpful!
I guess you should add any Mahindra and Kioti tractors to that list. It took a while, but people got the message when they found the warranties were a joke and replacement parts are impossible to get.
The previous generation Bob Cat compact tractors too
@@RustyZipper bob cat previous asnd now are kioti. I have 2 kiotis and you need parts only when they break.
Knock on wood...they don't break.
I did have a warranty leak on my CK35, no issues.
and 'resale value' is somewhat relative - if you buy a deere or kubota and pay 20-30% more than I did for a kioti...you're gonna end up losing more than me in the end.
And ifyou keep your tractor 10, 15 years then resale only goes so low as long as it still works.
Kioti does not fall into that category at all. Kioti is here to stay and is very easy to get parts for. Stop spreading BS.
Talking about "off brands" made me think about a deal we ran into back in the 90's. Buddy of my dads had bought a "Farm King" branded tractor that had major brake issues- as in brakes totally inop. After digging a bit, found out the tractor was built by Zetor in Czechoslovakia, and that parts were unavailable since the country had split up, so had the company. As I recall, took my Dad about 3 months to get parts figured out (as in using brake seals from a Studebaker kit)
Never heard of that brand
Reminds me of the older Bob Cat compact tractors. Good luck getting parts now since they stopped selling them and now re-started them but for how long? 🤣
Hey Mike thanks for all the great information you always have ! Would you mind doing a follow up video on what is doe of the best resale tractors currently? I purchased a new 2021 Bobcat CT 1021 with a front loader and 48” brush hog and it has been a fantastic little work horse! I’m hearing now they are almost impossible to find at the dealers and the cost have went up significantly. I paid out the door $14,999.00 with a 0% loan for 60 months and I only financed $8,000 so my monthly payment is fairly reasonable since I’m retired and on a fixed income. I’m hearing that same unit is now going for $20,000 plus . I would be interested in hearing your take on this situation.
Thanks a good for all the great information you put out!
I wish that more modern options existed similar to an old International Super A or 140... cultivision single row cultivator machine. I know of the Tilmor, and the Oggun, but I could see a market for these again.
I think the same. The tilmore and oggun are too specialized. An A Farmall or similar would be perfect all around tractor for a small homestead
We appreciate the honesty Mike!! Keep them coming! I've learned so much from you and your videos!!
Glad I could help. Thank you for the kind comment!
In 2018 We bought a Massey GC 1710 with loader and backhoe. We got it for $5000 less than a J Deere 1025R. Same size, same attachments. I asked the dealer what my Massey is worth now - March 2022, He said almost as much as you paid, they're not losing value.
Great content and great video! Just to clarify some of the information you shared. AGCO owns Massey Ferguson (along with a number of other brands worldwide). From what I have been told AGCO has made the mistake of following the John Deere path of chasing the high end market of combines and tractors. They have left the growing smaller market of hobby farmists and consumers (compact and sub-compact tractors). There are rumors that some dealers are abandoning supporting AGCO because they cannot find support from AGCO.
On another note you should focus on how important it is to buy from a local dealer. Buying a tractor is very different than buying a car. People have the mindset that it is the same but it is not. That is in respect to the market segments. You have this ever growing segment of small acre farmers that are buying sub compact/ compact tractors. These are not your traditional customers. I have a Kubota L2501 and I would say I knew a good bit about tractors before. I am so glad I bought from a dealer close to me (I have three to choose). There have been issues that have come up that would have been daunting if I had not purchased local. Hope this helps. Thanks again for the great info. You have been a huge help over the years to my purchasing a tractor.
Thanks so much! Appreciate your help on tractors.
Friends, if you are worried about resale value on a tractor that you are using to do work then your work didnt need to be done. Conversely if you tractor doesnt pay for itself after the first 3 years then you are not doing real work. If you want to be a clearing house for tractors then know resale value and turn a dollar. If you are doing work, get the tractor you need for a fair price and move on !
With older JD compacts and if your on a tight budget, it's easier to buy the backhoe/loader first, then find the tractor to those attachments second. Hard to find an 8b backhoe/300cx/80/430 loader to that 1070. If you keep your options open it's much easier to find the tractor after the fact.
Don't get a Deere gas, like 3020, they are junk
One thing to watch for in used 4WD tractors is the front axle. If it needs repair, parts will be expensive and likely hard to get. Even major manufacturers like John Deere bought front axles from various manufacturers and many times parts are unobtanium
Absolutely right…most compact mfd tractors with a loader, that have actually been used, will need wheel bearings at least.
Mike my grandfather bought a Long 360 for our farm and it was a great tractor. It was my first experience with a tractor. Wow that brings back so many childhood memories.
Good info , I found over the years sticking with JD and Kubota you can't go wrong. You will always be able to get the part you need somewhere no matter the age.
You can add case commercial tractors prior to CASE-IH merger. I had a 73' Case 480 CK backhoe, and it was really hard to find parts for it. Case carried some filters, and that was it. Luckily the engine was common to a bunch of tractors and you can get rebuild kits. I also notice now that parts are much more plentiful for my 65 Ford 3000 diesel.
Great channel...keep up your good work.
William
learned to operate a 580-C my uncle had in side sewer business. I just practice digging in his storage yard. The case control were easy to learn. And when you look at all LARGE strip mining. The swing is foot pedal on those drag lines or shovels. Have a P&H manual and the cab diagram shows Foot control for swing.
I ran a 70s era 480-C for a utility company worked for. My first job was digging up water service at main, disconnect the curb stops cut the service off, they were moving all the house's out for Airport expansion. It was fun job with 480-C case. The boom had the early 580- C design with dipper and boom cylinders on boom. The front loader had two Levers instead of joy stick. I dug lots of Ditches with that 480-C
Interesting design for Case backhoes. The 580-C made Case lots of money over the years. Now NH has this huge and I mean huge skid steer track loader. Easy reach for 12 yard dumps. And the front bucket is massive.
Sounds pretty straightforward and honest, can’t really argue
As you eluded to the problem with gas tractors is that most of them are pushing 50+ years old at this point and parts for some of them are getting hard to get. If you have a Ford N series you can get just about any part for those till the end of humanity due to just how many of them were made. Now the quality of those parts is questionable though in alot of cases. With that said the next generation the Ford NAA you have alot of problems getting hydraulic parts (particularly position control stuff) because it just isn't out there anymore and 99% of the folks that would want to use one of those old tractors would want the 3pt operating in position control all the time. Not to mention almost all of them are 2wd only.
I love those old gas tractors and you can get one for a steal if you shop right but you gotta be careful too because you might have a tough time with parts.
I've watched most of your videos before I went with a 1025R. The only dealers in town were green and orange and I don't like the treadle pedal so green it was. Yes, I could have gotten use to the pedal but I'm old and grumpy. I don't "need" a tractor at all but it will be useful around our 3 acres as well and using the land plane on our gravel road in our development. I found your videos very informative. Short. Concise. To the point. Thanks again.
Interesting thoughts about the turf tires. When I was trying to decide what to buy, I had a salesman try to convince me that the turf tires would be better in the snow because of all of the edges within the tread. I ended up going with R-4 tires so I don't know if he was right or not, not to mention that I haven't needed to use my tractor in the snow since I got it because we haven't had that much snow in the last few years.
Turf tires are only good for not tearing up turf , their traction on turf is still not very good never mind snow . R-4 is better , best I've seen for snow was a little Kubota that got changed over every fall to a set of radial grip truck tires
Same. And like you, I went R4.
If you look at your owner's manual you will find turf tires are not very good for loader work. The sidewalls aren't that strong and the weight handling is half that of R-4s. On my 50hp Boomer the manual lists weight capacity of tires at minimum pressure: R-1 Ag, 875 lbs.; R-3 Turf 1250 lbs.; R-4 Industrial 2420 lbs. If you are primarily doing loader work, R4s; pulling tillage implements, R1s; landscaping, mowing, mostly on grass, turfs.
My R4's are absolutely fantastic in the snow.
The older turf tires are better in snow than r4.
I have and love a pair of old Ford 8N's with frontloaders, and totally agree. I wouldn't recommend any 'small' 2wd tractor if you want to get any real work done. If you just want something that's fun to tinker on, disregard all sensible advice and do what I do!
My dad has an 8N, it’s getting a new motor and fresh paint as we speak. Unfortunately it only lasted 70 years. Probably in 2092 it will need a refresh 🤷♂️
Ford tractors seem to hold their value pretty well in my observations. I have a 48 8n and people are constantly trying to buy it. Parts are plentiful and it is still a good running useful tractor. I did buy a new Branson last spring, but kept my old Ford.
alot of the 8n 9n 2n generation lovers are dying off. they are really cheap in my area. 500 to 1500.
I love my 52 8N tractor. It has doubled in value since I’ve owned it.
Yeah, but they 8N is a truly amazing machine, I know I own one and I use it as often as I can.
I grew up with an 8N, really glad I don't have one.
My brother has a 51 8N and the engine is bad. Are rebuilt engines available and if so can you direct me to a site? The block is cracked in his. Thank you.
Great points. I'm one of those who own a tractor that fits into several of these categories. My little tractor is a project that I am absolutely in love with, but it's still a project that's going to end up quite expensive... much more than the little tractor is worth. The real value it has is in my love for it. I would never recommend doing what I'm doing to another as it's a lot of work, and the actual dollar value just isn't there. But I love the full concept of what I'm doing, and I don't have any interest getting rid of it anyway. I have a 1979 Power King 1614 economy tractor with a hydraulic rear 3 point lift. The 14hp kohler k321 engine recently gave up, and has to be replaced. I was originally looking at repairing the engine, but I decided to go a completely different route. I happen to have a good running Kubota D600 3 cylinder diesel engine with the cooling system as well. I'm going to cut and stretch the frame 4"-6", and do the same with the hood. The 3 point hitch lift arms and top link have been converted from category 0 to category 1 using a kit from agri-supply. This is a gear drive tractor with a 3 speed plus reverse, and has a 3 groove pulley between the engine and clutch leading into the transmission. The rear groove drives the hydraulic pump for the rear 3 point. The other 2 grooves are free to use on other pumps. I will build a complete subframe that runs just short of the length of the tractor including brackets to mount a front end loader to the tractor. I have a Yanmar yfl 1500 front end loader to be retrofitted to the tractor. It will be powered by an 11gpm belt drive pump, and operated by a summit hydraulics remote. This is going to take quite a bit of fabrication to make everything work correctly. The economy tractors made by Power King did not have rear ptos. They used a mule drive setup from the front of the engine. To resolve this issue, I'll be using a hydraulic motor and another 11gpm pump to create the pto system for the rear. When it's done, this will be one cool little tractor, but it's gonna cost me much more than it's worth. I'm doing this for a fun project. I'd never try to do this to save money. A good sub compact, or compact 4 wheel drive tractor with front end loader is almost always the best route for the common needs for most tractor owners.
I have 3 old gas Farmalls & all 3 are worth more now than I payed. They hold value pretty well.
I have a 2011 Kubota loader tractor...that l love...but it doesn't give me the (Rise in my Levi's) that my 4 vintage tractors do...
I second that on the vintage tractors, but whatever's going on in your Levi's is your own damn business.
thanks for sharing this video. resale value on 40+ -year-old tractors has come up a little bit but not much. I just bought a new tractor to replace my 1959 Ford 801 series tractor I was going to sell it but I don't think I could get anything for it and I don't want to give it away
A Ford 801 should bring pretty good money if it has been cared for, their values have risen a lot in the last 15yrs with homesteading and small farming a growing life style. If its in good shape with good tires, expect $3-4,000 for it.
Know what you mean, bought my 841 last year for $900. Spent a couple of days getting it running (mainly from sitting) but wound up with a tractor meeting most of my needs
First thing to do when selling you USED tractor is to paint it GREEN WITH YELLOW RIMS !!!
I think this makes total sense from a dealer perspective. However, I've watched the old gas tractors climb back in price from when they couldn't find a bid at auctions in the 70s and 80s. Many common antique gas tractors just live at a lower cost basis in my mind, too low for a dealer to hold in inventory at a sellable price. I don't see a shortage of demand or a depreciated price when I go to buy. It's just a smaller collector market buying for provenance rather than the latest and greatest functions.
I would agree with you. The older gas tractors aren't big money makers for anyone but often you can find a solid tractor to run a bush hog for $2000. Much easier to justify than $20k or more for a modern 4wd loader tractor. I have an Oliver 550 that mows, rototills, pulls a manure spreader and runs a snowblower without a big investment
Great information. Thanks for taking the time to make this video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
How do you feel about a Hoyt-Clagwell? 🙂
Lack of a dealer network was its biggest problem. In fact, the only known sales rep was a Mr. Haney, and his whereabouts is unknown.
Buy JD parts for it .
Would be right at home in any junkyard or old TV show.
Been around farming all my 75 years and everything he said is absolutely right, I can remember in the 70s I was restoring old Cars in the winter I always wanted and drove all over my State of NE, IA, SD looking for old cars and would see late model Tractors, Combines and all sorts of new farm equipment sitting out in the fields all winter or until they needed them again.
Good information. Thank you.
Whenever I see a tractor rotting in the woods or on a field, I always wonder how someone can just afford to let something rot? I keep my tractor and skid steer under a lean to most of the time. I have too much money in them.
I agree. I think it has something to do with the times when they went out to pasture. There was a point when an old gas tractor was a mark of shame. It meant a farmer wasn't keeping up with the times and taking out big mortgages to get big and modern. You could get those older tractors at auction running for $100 all over in the early 80s. I think guys who had them broken down couldn't bare to scrap them, but couldn't sell them for anything, so there they sat.
I recently purchased a 2008 Kubota 4900 2wd with a bucket loader and it came with a brand new 7f1 land pride rotary cutter and a land pride box blade. The tractor only has 600 hours on it and was kept in a barn for it's whole life. I only gave $13,000 for it. It's a huge upgrade from my 1975 Ford 3400.
Long Mfg was located in Tarboro, N.C. their most famous products were the "Silent Flame" line of self propelled tobacco harvesters. The also made tobacco tiring/looping machines. Yes, they did import tractors from Eastern Europe, most notably the Long 445 and 460 models. I cultivated corn with a 445 and it was a good handling tractor. Oliver also-ran imported a version of this tractor. Long also imported Leyland tractors (including a backhoe) from Great Britain. Toward the end they marketed a Ford unit called the Farmtrac.
We had a 445 in the 1980’s mainly used it for spraying tobacco and pulling tobacco wagons. My neighbor bought a farm trac finding parts is a pain for him.
Nice job, Mike. How could anyone be mad about your comments? Opinions are just that! Cheers!
Cheers!
Exactly why I bought a used Kubota L3940 4x4 with a loader 5 years ago.
Very true stuff. We under room as much equipment as we can, and wash things as much as possible. There is a reason we still have some 40 year old iron running, and the paint is fair to good. Most utility tractors won't put 200 hours a year, and with 7-10k life expectancy it will take 30 years to use the tractor up. Fixing things as they break, doing proper services and keeping them clean will ensure the machine is ready when you need it, enjoyable to operate, and maintain as much value as possible.
On our farm we run a lot of off brand tractors. Deutz Allis, Same, Landini, Agri Power, Zetor are great tractors that you don't have to pay a lot of money for and are very dependable. Parts are still widely available. Long made very good tractors. The company itself was out of North Carolina, but most of the tractors were made in Romania and some were built by Zetor and Landini.
Try an LP tractor. Gas tractors don't seem to have the resale issues an LP tractor has. First of all not many people are set up for using LP other than their barbeque grill. Second, people in the market for a 50 plus horse tractors want deisels or gas, other than collectors.
Wasn't LONG tractors brand basically the same as FORD tractor ?
Only the color of the paint...
Very straight talking. Thanks!
Awesome video! The market is screwed up right now but I agree with everything you said about these certain types of tractors.
I paid 4k for my 2013 Kubota BX with 300 hours, I then bought a brand new loader for it for $3200 so I’m in it for $7,200 and Iv used it for years it’s done a TON of work for me.. I just recently talked to my dealer about trade in value.. they told me 7k trade in is very likely which I assumed.. so I’d say I did darn good
You got a deal. I paid 25K in 2010 for a new Kubota BX25D in Hawaii and then sipped it to Kansas. Little did I know how Hawaii dealers are so greedy. But I have to say I love the tractor.
2 years ago I would have agreed with you on the gas tractor argument but now that we are farming and I'm feeding animals everyday and bailing hay. Yes....I prefer the gas tractors because like you said they are so easy to work on and not as expensive to get new parts but for the power I need for heavy loader work I love my diesel
He forgot the Massey-Ferguson 27xx series. Especially those with the 24 speed transmissions.
Worked at MF dealer when those were new. What a turd!!
@@RedIron1066 I nearly bought a 2705 in 1983. Got a 4240 with QR and did well.
that JD 1070 you showed there was just like the best little utility tractor i ever owned! yes if you buy an older one, make sure it has a front end loader cuz you'll never find one for it. And make sure its the 4x4 version with both mid pto and rear pto...you can mount and run a finish mower deck under it...I used mine as a landscape construction tractor for 12 years before it was stolen and made the mistake of buying a JD hydro compact utility tractor after that...and it was a piece of crap in comparison to the 1070. I had the 440 front loader.
1070 was a real tractor…those Deere hydrostat ones aren’t!
Think thats all over Mike I agree with you. Have a great day
Hey! no fault on how it is! Older tractors and 2WD tractors are a niche market now days. All I can say is parts are redily available if you look for them, just don't expect your local dealer to have them on the shelf. Many aftermarket suppliers took over the market and its worth millions and millions of dollars making and selling parts for older machines. Ok, one more thing Mike, older machines are making a comeback like never seen before. Older tractors have really come up in demand the last 3yrs due to the lack of availability in used newer tractors as well as new tractors being harder to get. Many older tractors are selling for above to even well even even their new prices. I think its crazy! I've been looking at adding to my fleet, and the prices on old tractors are insane!
Bill I hope you make plenty more videos. I like your channel. If you're a dealer trying to make overhead, there's not much there for premiums. If you're a hobbyist trying to turn a few bucks, or just have an affordable fun working piece of equipment, I think it's a really good time.
I would happily trade the r1 tires on my 755 for turfs.
In this area of the northeast turfs are very popular on cut/scut tractors.
Also those that are beat to death go for ridiculous money. I say people here are to cheap for their own good. Used equipment if you look at just the initial price plus the parts cost to repair goes for more then buying one in good working condition. It’s gotten worse the last couple years. I don’t get it.
I notice that same thing. Saturday I was looking at a beat-up Farmall M that was rusty and stuck and brought $1,200 at auction. A similar tractor running with better tires and paint was on craigslist for $1,300. No return on restoration unless you've got something very desirable.
3:15 That's what chains are for.
In the UK there are some brands that are hard to resell at any time. David Brown. Claas. Kubota farm tractors. Landini. Same. Lamborghini. Hurlimann. Belarus. Even Deutz are a hard sell in the UK.
Then there are some models within ranges, such as US built MF that look like the AGCO Allis in the video. US built Case models from the 1970’s to 2000, the ones before Magnum and from 970 Agri-King onwards. MF6100 series from the 1990’s. The larger MF tractors of the same era and even into 6200 series. Universal tractors of any age. Chinese here-today-gone-tomorrow crap. Fords with the Funk powershift transmission that came after the TW range, including the Genesis/Versatile models.
Some poor ranges still sell well even despite their issues, including JD series 20 series from the early 2000’s which were and some still are problematic in my opinion. They are green so they’ll sell regardless.
Ford TW, older Ford, MF and JD models plus other classic and vintage tractors are making massive money in Europe and UK in particular. They are very much in demand from collectors and investors. Ford 7000, 7600 and 7610/7810 all County and Roadless, and MF185/188 models are especially in demand and will sell in minutes for big money.
I heard that Minneapolis Moline used to be big in Arkansas for irrigation equipment. I saw one of these tractors in North Louisiana hooked up to an irrigation pump.
I love Molines!
I agree with your assessment, but sometimes those type tractors can be a good investment for some people in certain situations.
My Ford 8N is worth more than I have in it. Easy to repair, reliable, and suits my needs. I considered buying a new Kubota, but realized I really could not justify a $20,000 investment in a tractor that sits 95 percent of the year. I grade my gravel road and skid a few logs. I have $1200 in an 8N that starts and runs great. Based on what I’m seeing now, it is worth $2500 just for the tractor. But I plan to keep my old 8N, because it gets the job done.
I have the same issues as you. I will be dragging logs mostly and keeping my long driveway usable. I might turn over a small section of soil for a personal garden. However I am looking at buying a new(ish) tractor because of two issues. I am not familiar enough with tractors to know if I was buying a piece of crap or a good deal and I have never worked on a tractor before so any repairs mean I would need to take it to be fixed, perhaps waiting on parts. I could happily buy a used one if it still had significant warranty.
@@susanconklin4945 i knew jack squat about tractors before my 9n, now im kicking around doing a rebuild on the engine this next winter myself based on how simple the old fords are, if it starts easy, stays running, moves in all gears and hydraulics work, buy the old ford, it wont be junk, it takes a lot to break them
We got a old Int. C narrow front, 12 volt. We harvest a little fire wood, brush hog a couple acres, pull a log sometimes.
Love my c , and my C loves me..
I've probably spent 400.oo on it in 15years. Still worth what I paid for it.
I understand it, and can generally keep it purring.
What's not to like about this relationship ??
I'm 100% with this crowd. But to each their own.
This gentleman owns a tractor at an investment of 50% of its resale value. Likely not paying any financing costs. Virtually nothing to lose given some type of major depreciation. The clear solution is to buy 10 vintage tractors at the price of one new Kubota, then just use the one that runs the best at the moment. ;) :) ;)
Thanks Mike, this video I was eager to hear. I thought well is he going to rail on my brand tractor that I own want all knowledge I can get. Great information.
Thank you!
Long tractors are fairly hard to get parts for. A lot of the Long parts are interchangeable with Fiat, Universal and UTB tractors which are still real common in Europe. I hope to find a mid 70's Long 360 one of these days; my grandad bought one new back in the day but sold it recently without me knowing it. They're good tractors though.
I really wish that someone would pick up the shovel and start a company that makes reproduction parts for unobtainable things like wheel rims for scycle bar mowers or wide front ends for John Deere model A's things that once were go to the dealership and get kind of items I had to have a guy make me a front hanger for a John Deere 10a backhoe a 20 year old part without any knowledge of what it's specks were thanks to jd trashing the blue prints and that was a nightmare imagine if I went to build a replacement wheel rim for my horse drawn scycle bar mower I still can't find one for my IHC mccormick deering no9 and I have had it since last spring these things aren't 170 years old so why are they hard to find it's our throw away society that is what it is and things need to change enough is enough
I'd like to buy a comma, period, question mark, please. Without these....it makes this missive hard to read, as it turns this paragraph into one long run on sentence. Thanks!
Why they wont?....ROI.....
Boy! I can’t believe how much people dislike Turf Tires. I don’t get it. I had a L3301 with Turf Tires and LOVED them. We’re on sandy soil with gravel roads and lots of grass. I never lost traction EVEN IN THE NORTHERN MICHIGAN SNOW.
You are correct about the two wheel drive tractors the smaller ones don't do as well in the mud. I have 3 older 2wd tractors all three have front loaders. A 1989 39hp IMT 539 ; 1990 92hp Massey Ferguson 3070 cab ; 2004 64hp John Deere 5320 cab: my 3070 Massey with fuild in the tires and loader weights about 12,000 lbs. with 18.4x34 rear tires . and can go and pull a lot more in the mud then my 5320 John Deere 18.4x28 rear tires with fluid.
Great advice 👍 100 % correct sir 👏
All true. Here in WY We looked at many including an 80s fiat 680dt with loader and 5700hrs for $13k. It was a pile of garbage. Couple days later we bought a great condition 2006 Challenger MT265B power shuttle 4x4 475hrs with loader, generator, box blade, scraper, brush hog, and rake for $18k. Seller even delivered some of the implements to our house. Also thats the same as MF 1533. Both made by Agco. In our area that was about as good a deal as we were going to find and I dont think we'll ever regret spending the money.
I like my dinosaur equipment! It doesn't owe me anything, my Farmall Cub (1950) has served me well over the years, only cost me $750 30+ years ago. If one knows where to look, the parts and a good old time dealership can be found.
Man, you speak the truth! Never do it again. I got a free 1988 John Deere 332 16hp diesel one owner only 898 hours with mower deck, plow & MCS I had all the pieces. However, parts are very expensive & hard to find.
The bodywork, new paint, new thermostatic, new deck wheels, hydraulic lines for plow & new belts. I was out $1900 in parts not including labor. I sold for $2500 good riddance vintage tractors a true money pit. It had some slope in steering. The tractor was mechanically maintained. Thank you, Jesus it sold! I noticed a little water starting to drip from the water pump.
I have a 2wd New Holland TC 18 with turfs just like pictured and it goes anywhere in leave a trench mud and it goes just fine. I also have a 4wd Kubota B2320 with ags, and a 4wd Kubota L3700SU with turfs. Loaded turfs will go better than unloaded ags. Unless you have a need for 4wd, don't turn down 4wd. I even have a loader on the TC 18 and my only complaint is no hydro or power steering. Traction isn't my complaint. The New Holland is still my favorite of the 3.
Mike, Speaking of equipment to avoid... Have you looked at Twitter and other sources about use of tractors in Ukraine to "relocate slightly used" Russian equipment... Someone's going to have the guts to do that video compilation and make a ton of TH-cam click $ FWIW. ;-)
Gas .75 a gallon cheaper and if you ever get in a war you can’t get diesel, ever tank in the world runs on gas you will always be able to get gas diesel compression 17.5/1 gas 6.5/1 rev a diesel 3000 rpm broken crank shaft plus let’s just use JD for example 3020 gas 62 hp 3020 diesel 73 hp at best you are losing about 11 hp on a tractor that you can work on and fuel will hopefully be available or.75 more a gallon for fuel you might not be able to get.Back to gas a second and a turbo to the gas like in tanks and you greatly raise the hp . Why do you think the military uses gas ?
Last I heard, a few minutes ago, AGCO was buying up a bunch of tractor companies worldwide at least up through December of 2021.
I know what you mean about older gas tractors. I had a 2 wheel drive '65 International 504 gas job that had a loader with a trip lever style manure bucket that was converted to hydraulic. It served me well for several years of brush hog work. After a few years, I got a used 2005 John Deere 4520. What a difference 40 years of technology makes! The JD actually has brakes that work, and it's a 4wd vs the 2wd IH. Just everything about the JD is better. It's a power reverser with 12 speeds compared to the IH with a torque amplifier, I don't remember how many speeds it had. The T/A had its strong points but nothing like the JD trans. The gas job did about 2 gallons per hour where the JD does about 1 gph when brush hogging. The draw back at least now a days is the cost of diesel fuel. But anyway,i the IH was a good tractor. Like I said, it served me very well, but the newer tractors are better in just about any way you look at it. At least in my own opinion.
I have a 1983 Allis Chalmers 5020 2 Cyc. diesel with a 6.5 foot plow. Full hydraulics lift and swing right or left. 674 Actual hours. Has always been in a garage and original paint and tin including decals looks like new. Am the 2nd owner and knew the first. Has always been well maintained. Engine runs great. Am running T6 Rotella. Turf tires with chains. Rear wheel drive. Does this tractor still hold it's value even though it's older?
Well sir I'll tell you what I found out about tractor Brands I found out a Tafe tractor is made by LG which is LS Cable in LS tractor. And so are most of the newer Montana's that are left out there and the older Montana tractors were made by day Dawn which is kioti
And these days a lot of New Hollands are made by LS Tractor (LS Mtron) as well.
I believe you mean Daedong tractors.
I'm sure this fella knows his stuff.....however.....he seems to be extremely repetitive in his commentary...like he is getting paid per word....oh well....this is free !
2500 bucks for a wd45 wide front gas.with a loader full hydraulics 3 point upgrade power steering. I will never pay 20k+ even with 0% finance on a new machine.
Hard subject, as there are so many “feelings” connected to the topic at hand. Well done. Cheers from the Bulldog 🍻
I'll stick with my 22 horsepower 725cc V Twin Craftsman T240
A good dependable older cheaper tractor will always sell. Some may sell better then others. I gave $5000 15 years ago for my 1989 IMT 539 39 hp with a front loader and bucket. Been a great little tractor I love it for what it is and what it can do. I Bushhog, mow hay, rake hay , Tedder hay , plow disc , rotor till , load hay , cultivate the garden with it. Still going strong I have replaced some parts on it over the years. Alternator , starter, power steering pump, and hydraulic pump.
I 'd rather have gas. The diesel stuff I had , was too hard to start in the winter. I bought a JD 2020 gas tractor, a 1965 model , about 10 years ago. It's been great . As long as you have a good battery in it, it WILL start in the winter, doesn't use oil, easy to get off and on. I don't care about resale value , I 'm not gonna get rid of it. I suppose parts for it will be available for a long time. I'll jus fix it myself is something goes bad. I recently changed my bucket over to quick attach . This old JD had a lot of good features for it's time. If I had my way gas tractors would still be made
Long tractors are much the same as Universal tractors, Heston and some White tractors. They are now being produced under the AL GHAZI brand in Pakistan as of 2021. They seem to have some reference to New Holland over there as well. Just google them for more information.
I grew up on the farm in minnesota 1950's. big tractor was a 1946 johndeere model A. small tractor was a 1938 johndeere model B. a ford 8n added for mowing and light duty. that was it for then. the farm is gone but my cousin still has both the johndeere tractors. they still work. no one farms with them anymore.
I own a 1978 Dynahoe 190 does anyone remember those beasts. It's two wheel drive. I had to change the tires on it when I got her in 2003, got a good deal on rear style backhoe tires so the first thing people think, or ask is it 4 wheel drive
It wht. Is 19000 pounds. I get stuck a lot, what I do is walk myself out of any stuck situation, is walk myself with that massive backhoe, why did I buy it, with only 2 wheel drive. Because it's like the guy who has his favorite Muscle car. It's my Little Muskie ( named after Big Muskie) the biggest Dragline ever built. It's my Little Muskie for my small and I mean small garden when that Dynahoe is in it. I just turn all my soil over in my garden. Dig it all up in big pile. Then spread it flat again in spring. You are so right about parts. Was able to get 5 Hydraulic filters for her from Marine vessel parts shop. Believe it or not they where turning over inventory. Those filters were not selling so they were going to throw in garbage. It's hard to find parts for her. Was able to get Case or JD pins to work.same size for cylinders attaching.
the crazy thing in ohio is parts tractors for old fords are selling for like $1000, i think its due to the compact market jumping up and guys wanting a small mowing tractor for relatively cheap compared to a $20k deere, mahindra, or kubota
Gas tractor resale value? Compared to diesel is going to be cheaper? Gas motor was cheaper from the start. Any gas tractor with 3 point from the 50’s and newer. Most still sell for more, than they costed new. Only thing I agree with is the turf tire and long statement. And as for Agco compact tractors they are hard for parts. Most overseas tractors are.
I am thinking of buying one of these small neat tractors like yanmar and iseki. 4wd or 2wd. Preferably with a fel and grass tyres Dont see the problem with traction. Cant you just put some heavy weight on the lift arms?
I'm from Midway Louisiana an I purchased a 1968 Ford 3000 front End loader an I paid little to much than I should have,I was mainly after the front End loader to lift up tree brush and the logs , at the time we had 3 major Hurricanes come through an my MT 52 Mini Skid had got stolen but I recovered it an I'm it ligations to recover repair money on the mini an I paid $3500 for the 3000 an I made way over the price I paid for the Tractor I'm talking about 5 times over an still using it today. I also added a fold up fork system on the bucket that folds out the way an I can still load ,spread aggregates.
Great video
Hi. New to the channel. Just subscribed. I have a 80s JD850 2 wheel drive, turf tires, and FEL. And let me tell you that you are spot on. It doesn’t take much at all to get me stuck then I gotta dump out my bucket of material and use the bucket to get me unstuck. I bought it because like you mentioned in your last video, there is no preowned market right now and it was really all that was available. But I got her fair and still love her for all the back breaking work she saves me
Why not buy a real tractor instead of those toys? BTW given global tensions how would you like to be the poor slug who owns or better yet tries to trade off a Belluruskie? And don't forget SAME or Satoh Kioti etc. And yes worn out means worn out.
I just bought a Ford 6610 with 1400 hours on it that was owned by FFA. I love it and it was less than the smallest tractor.
how about a 1450 oliver,two wheel drive,but diesel power. in good shape.it is a 1972
Mike. I agree with your message. But if you are not looking to resale values and more at the value a loader brings to you and your back, there is a value that should be considered. if you plan on keeping equipment for many years the investment might payoff.
2 Wheel, Ford tractors,70-80 and up? For Bushhogging
My agco allis aircooled 4650 same tractor is the one tractor I would never sell . Have owned for over 20 years .no problem getting parts at agco Massey dealer
Yes I have two gas engine tractors 8n ford massey ferguson 35 they are what I need to play with not to do professional land cleaning but fun to work on and drive. I have a old diesel tractor imt 542 deluxe it runs great for me thanks for the video
most of these compact ttactors are used today for well off men to play games with, 10,000 tractors in my county ..... 4 gardens
Mike add the 390T M F to that list bought this tractor new and it was just a piece of junk I will never buy M F again.
What do you think about a JD 750, 4by4, 20 HP yanmar motor, no front loader?
I have one with a belly mower and it works very well. A few times it would have been nice to have 4wd. The engine is rock solid!
You’d have to go aftermarket for the loader and since it never had one, it probably doesn’t have the remote hydraulics required, or power steering. Those items have been unavailable for years. Hard pass unless you don’t want a loader.
Damn near bulletproof tractor, but yeah…gonna play hell finding a loader for it.
Grew up family farming on 2 wheel drive gas tractors don't see anything wrong with them .
Great balanced video. Its too bad you have to preface it with a disclaimer so some peoples feelings wont get hurt. Really appreciated the video!
1940 John Deere H with no electrics or hydraulics?