All About The Bass - First Look - Orange Crush Bass Amps
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👆 Welcome to All About The Bass on Andertons TV.
Nathan and Lee look at the new Orange Crush Bass Amps.
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There is nobody like Lee for giving us a wonderful clarity on a subject. Lee your the best!
Not gonna lie I only want an orange amp because they're orange
I am ok with that
Same
I hate to say it but me too.
Old school is not out of fashion. Its like horsepower vs torque. Solid, reliable with a ultra cool color.
Whats not to like , " nothing " !
Guilty 🤟
One setting that you didn't test was to turn the blend up all the way, but keep the Gain under 2 so that the distortion doesn't enter the equation.
Blend max, gain low - you keep the clean but its a tad more aggressive and slightly louder.
They did that at the end
The history of Orange is way more complex, dramatic, and confusing than that. They started as Matamp, not orange. Matamp made the 2000S amp, and some of those featured an FAC input clipping circuit. Those amps were covered in orange to differentiate them from the standard models, and were then named the "Orange by Matamp". In the early '70s, drama between the 3 owners reached a boiling point, and 2 of them split off to make Orange amps. It is at that time that Matamp started making the Green, and Orange started making the OR120, which are BOTH the Series 2000 with an FAC input. Both companies went out of business by 1980, Matamp due to poor overseas marketing( though they would resume production a year later), and Orange due to more drama between the owners. One of them would start the Electric Amps company (their flagship being the Blue [shocker]), and Cliff Cooper would restart Orange in 1984, which he still owns to this day. As of today, all 3 companies still make amps.
Electric Amps pretty much just makes the original designs, Matamp makes updated versions of the originals as well as high-tech modern amps, and Orange is basically just making higher quality, darker Marshalls.
That's really interesting. I had no idea. Thanks for the history lesson. 🤘🏼💀🎸
I went through wiki and here’s the real history
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Music_Electronic_Company
The above claim about Matamp is incorrect.
It is a common misconception that the earliest Orange amplifiers were jointly produced by Orange and Matamp, the brand name that Mathias used on his own design of amplifiers. This was not the case. Radio Craft produced hi-fi guitar amplifiers which, whilst ideal for bass guitar, produced a tone far too clean and flat for electric lead guitars. Early Orange Matamp amplifiers were built by Radio Craft to Cooper's specification to provide a new generation of guitarists with the sustain they demanded. The front end was modified and Cooper changed the chassis from lightweight aluminium to enamelled steel. The Orange logo was designed to be clearly visible on stage. When the design was delivered to Radio Craft, Mathias suggested that a small Matamp logo be added. As a courtesy to Mathias, Cooper agreed to this request, making Matamp a model name.
The first of the Orange Matamp amplifiers were 100 watt valve amps and were produced in very small numbers in the rear of a tobacconist shop owned by Mathias. Demand for Orange amplifiers grew quickly and Radio Craft was unable to keep up with orders. It became apparent that larger premises were required for business growth.
Personally have the 50w and its got a great sound would highly recommend
Can it be heard in practice with a drumset?
@@yeet7545 damn I know it's a year later but I could really do with an answer to that too
patrick smith yh I use it while practicing with my drummer
@@pshongle4217 lol, yeah 100% anything 50w+ can easily be played with a drummer from my experience.
@@gentleman1s319 tanks man. Rn I use a 25w ampeg with my bandmates and sometimes, when I hear the recordings, the drums stand out way more
In a direct A/B comparison, I found these to have a darker, more industrial or death metal tone, compared to the fender rumbles which sound more all-rounder and have a brighter tone overall. I guess it depends which kind of music you play, both sound great but so different when played with the same instrument and no pedals.
Tbh that’s kinda fender vs orange bass amps n a nutshell. Of the bigger brands fender’s the most classic, hi-fi, ampeg’s more classic rock, orange go even harder on the drive into metal/doom land
From the official Orange website:
“I chose a bright and energetic colour as a brand name: Orange has always been my favourite colour and as it is also a fruit, here was a brand name that crossed international language barriers.”
Interesting to note: Apple Music (The Beatles) was also founded in 1968.
Having spent most of my life working for Very Popular MI Manufacturers I surprised myself to bits when I sat down before doing a Clinic and plugged into a Crush 50. Nto being one who poses and tosses my head back and forth at high rates of speed, an Orange Amp was the Very Last Unit I thought I would ever buy. Hashtag #notmystyle :) I was blown away! I then had to compare the Crush to others and the Crush 50 Destroyed each of them quite Handily. The Crush 50 is a Tone Monster! GIGS: I plug the 50 into an Aguilar 1x12 extension cab. . Good Golly Miss Molly! It's a Gig Machine !! 😳 #1. It' available in Black for those who are unsure of their Manhood. :) #2. There's a HUGE difference between this series and the First Crush amps with WHITE Control panels. #yukko #stayaway. Bottom Line: IMHO.... The 50 is the Best in Class. I'd love to see Orange offer a 1x12 with the same speaker that's in the 50. They already have a matching cab but it's loaded with a Premium speaker. PS: The tuner is Fab and I've never, not once, used the Distortion/Gain/Overdrive. #bassilicious. RB
I remember the Orange store opening in the sixties. Guess what the shopfront was painted orange with a giant version of the logo. I thought it was in Charing Cross Road rather than Denmark Street.
Best, Pete.
Been looking for info on these amps, and couldn't find good info... before I realised the Captain had made one. That is a review that I can trust ! :)
Sure, retailer reviews are the most trustworthy of all.... It's not like they want people to come down to their store and buy it, or anything.
I kind of missed the Korg drum machine!
I used to own one of the first Crush amps, one can hear and see they improved. Also, great playing!
This Orange Crush ones vs Fender Rumble?
Hard to compare the two. Completely different sounds.
The Orange Amps aren’t going with the current trend of striving for as much clarity as possible. Any Orange amp has a lot of gain & distortion, IMO. You get a lot more warmth than you would from, say, a Marshall.
The Fender Rumble is (dare I say) more versatile, but also a little less unique. The low end is awesome & it’s easy to lay down the sonic foundation.
All around you’re speaking on two really good amps that do different things. The Rumble amps are significantly more affordable, though.
Fender rumble
The rumbles are much lighter and affordable... but soundwise nothing beats the CB100.
@@BraceExperiencewhich is better as a pedal platform?
These are very cool, but they do need an update, a V2 if you will.
For example gatekeeping a DI out to the higher priced amp might have been a thing when these were being designed as the ‘pro’ model you can go into front of house with, but nowadays you expect a DI out on pretty much anything for home studio use, everyone’s adding more and more modelling and sims and such to their combos at the same price, etc.
They still sound cool and look very cool, but yeah, tech moves fast these days, time for a V2 Orange.
I always thought Nathan looked like Mark King but never noted your surname. Nathan King of Level 42... awesome.
what about "Sound like Cliff Burton" ? :-D
Rickenbacker 4001 + Mesa Boogie head and cab and you're good to go.
@@eaglebauer944 He never used Ricky with Mesa. Ricky with tubescreamer, or Aria/P bass with Mesa Boogie. :)
i bought this from you guys earlier after watching this video :) great video. clear with good examples ! looking forward timo my 100 version :)
How does the 100W sound? Thinking about getting it myself. Its so new there are no reviews from regular people.
really good. no complaints at all. can get as loud as youl ever need it really. and tone wise its awesoms. distortion is a subtle and extreme as you want too. all in all im very happy :) will never need to upgrade
Thanks, great to know!
Mr Nathan. Orange amps have an on/off switch on the tuner because it's probably a digital tuner. If it would be always on, then the signal would OBVIOUSLY be always passing through it, interfering with that organic sound and the circuitry that Captain Lee was talking for the 3 previous minutes leading to that very faulty remark... Are you even listening?
Lovely sounding amps! Bit small for me and I personally don't get on with combos?? Dunno why tbh?? And the song at the end there 'Hysteria' Mr Anderton :-p
Nice amp, cool color, looks really well made, but the pricing seems high. Here in the US, the Fender Rumble 500W combo is about the same price as the Orange 100W. You can almost get a superior Mark Bass Combo for the price of the Orange 100W.
So glad he cleared up that it was the Police, that was driving me nuts the whole video. Nathan is always a treat.
Just got the 50w to use with my Hamer 12-string. Love it! And only about 45 lbs. I've down-sized from my 80's-90's full stack. Using for portability to gigs. I use my Peavey TNT 80 watt at practice (heavy thing!).
50 w Is enough for live session with drums?
@@thehoomanshow3315 Yes. Plenty of power.
Here's a suggestion: in addition to more model review (P-bass, Jazz, Thunderbird, Rickenbacker), could you explore how to get the kind of melodic top-end tone that we're hearing from players like Tal Wilkenfeld? She can make a bass sound achingly beautiful as a solo instrument, not just booming away under the band.
this is the first time that i have seen a bass guitar with the selector switch that is similar to an electric guitar selector switch.
3-position switches in the Gretsch Junior Jet II, a 2-pickup (mini humbuckers) solid body and in the Fender Starcaster (or "Modern Player" Starcaster) 2 MASSIVELY powerful large humbuckers.
have tried the OB1 which is a great head and the OD tone is great. Not sure if it was the mixing or the choice or riffage by Nathan on the day, but was not overly taken for the fuzz OD tone that particular Orange Crush was giving. the 100 watt did seem slightly better.
Clean tone in your demo was great.
I have the Bass Terror with the Orange 1x15 cab...Serious power and sounds fantastic even without pedals. Considering the 50W here for rehearsal (Blues trio)
NOICE, I forgot how sick that bass riff in that Muse song is
Bought my son (a drummer) the 50watt orange & he plays a fretlas jazz JUST LOVES the amp 😊
Btw the 100 watt Orange Crush Bass Amp is almost twice the price of the 50 watt in the ‘States. Market led pricing, perhaps?
They say the 50W isn't a gigging amplifier yet other bassists in other videos have said they've played small to medium size venues with no issues, as well as band rooms where the band is loud. So.......
Do a compression shoot out!!!!!
Also, I just picked up a couple of markbass effect pedals for super cheap and they sound amazing!
Its becasue Digital has to simplify the signal and it looses bits in there, analog is more of a direct signal and more acurate to what your playing, the same goes for cable tv. you can get more in didgital but a good analog signal is alot better quality just harder to send.
New Bass player, Looking at the Orange Crush 25 for home use. Thoughts or drawbacks? I am primarily looking for an AMP that has good sound and tone. Might want to throw a pedal for boost in there at a later time.. is the 25 able to deal with an inline Pedal?
As a long time musician, I used to loathe small amps. For practice and small in-house jams, I’m really liking the 25. The size just lets it disappear, when not in use. In an apt that’s an asset. After the fact, I’d likely go for the 50 ( More push on bottom)but for my purposes the 25 is loud enough, and sounds great. Hmmm maybe the 100? I’d like any of them.
25 practice amp ( excellent one).
The 50 as they suggest. Awesome practice amp, or jams.
The 100? They covered nicely.
In hifi, LEDs can affect the audio signal - I wonder if the switch bypasses the tuner circuitry?
The tone at 9:50 was absolutely awful. But after you lowered the drive it turned gold! What a contrast :D
Still no Rickenbacker bass review ??
Who needs rickenbacker review?
+kubuś puchatek Why not??
because there's nothing more to say about them
Rickenbacker is the only company that hasn't sold out to foreign companies to make their product. They stay true to Made in the USA all the way..
I have a 93' 4003 and it's the best bass I've owned. It isn't as muddy as my Thunderbird and it has a different punch than my P bass.
Would the 100 watt version be capable of doing small to medium sized gigs
50w probably could
As for the Dutch orange connection - that's because Orange - or, rather, Oranje - was the name of their royal house. Hence William of Orange, our own King William III, who deposed James II, the last Stuart Catholic monarch, in the Glorious Revolution of 1688-9.
For loudness test it would be great if there if a comparison to it.
For Example whistle/speak/Scream during play so it s better for the viewer to imagine how loud it is
great review anyway
kick ass little 25w
I think it would be interesting to see a head to head between an Ernie Ball Stringray/ Sterling Vs a Fender Dimension
Could you play small gigs with the 50 watt like a pub ?
yes
you can even do it with a 35 watt amp
you can even do it with a 35 watt amp
Im a college student living in a dorm and do jazz gigs in a trio, which of these would you recommend for that?
for jazz you want a nice low end.. so the larger speaker.. the better low end..
As a college student I'd say that the cab simulation on the headphone jack is really great, if you have the funds it's a good contender (next to the Fender Rumbles or even some of the other brands out there). Don't misjudge the pre-owned market either though, no need to live on ramen for months for a great amp!
+Ed Beck completely agree about checking out preowned items. Stops you losing out on depreciation when it comes to selling also. I have a preowned mesa m3 bass amp I bought whist at uni. I used that during sociable hours and a vox headphone amp at night
Volume also depends on the speakers efficiency.
New? When did these come out? (Also tell those blokes at Orange to make a bass micro terror :( )
Oh wait a crush amp with the obp1 circuit!? I need this
+1 for bass micro terror
I know it's slightly antithetical to the name of the show, but I would love to hear guitars through all the bass amps you do. I know it's a weird request, and you completely reserved the right to ignore me, but I would really appreciate it and it wouldn't have to be hard just 10 seconds of strumming and lead and move on. Anyway great videos.
Jacob Clark take your guitar to your local music store and plug into every bass amp. But I can assure you that you won’t be impressed by the tone. You really, REALLY want a tube amp for guitar as these class D amps with overdrive just don’t sound right with a guitar. We can get away with it for bass because we’re not going for a true overdriven tube breaking up tone, but rather a lot of headroom with a little grit added to taste. I want as much volume as possible without the amp breaking up and that’s why the Aguilar Tone Hammer 500 is such a great amp. It’s got a ton of power for plenty of headroom, even with two 8ohm cabs, and it has a gain and a drive feature in the preamp section.
Bigg TK Nuggs I play clean guitar through bass amps sometimes. Some Ampeg solid state amps sound good for clean guitar work.
the baby one sounds much better on this recording! Also Nathan seems really enthusiastic this time
Can you review the ashdown AAA combos and AppTek please
"Can we be loud ?" Hell Yeah ! 😄
Has the 100watt version enough power to gig with? Or practice with a drummer ?
My buddy is looking for a new bass amp
Can i recommend him this ?
DvW bro, believe me it's more than enough. You'll hear him before he hears you. Those little combos are deceiving as hell.
Sound pretty damn good! Might be better than ampeg
That amp is so versatile.
Too sad i live in France ! I want to move near Nathan's house. Will you teach me master ? I want to play as good as you do 👍
Hey it would be amazing! if you could do a video on the journeyman series basses by fender custom shop:)
love the fact that us real musicians finally have an Andertons channel, loving the reviews..Nathan I must show you how to play hysteria properly one day…use them fingers bud….use them fingers…. :-) speaking as an ex Muse tribute bass player….
bassmandudge "real musicians"
So playing in a muse cover band makes you a real musician? Let me guess, you're also the kurt Cobain of this generation
watts also represent the frequency range. the lower the watts the more you'll hear fart sounds instead of notes
IE: Headroom..
If memory serves me correct John Paul Jones used Orange bass amps back in the 70's.
JPJ actually tended to use amps that were supposed to be used with acoustic guitars as far as zep are concerned from time to time
Nothing could be further from the truth. JPJ used multiple Acoustic 360 Bass amps simultaneously back in the day. These extremely powerful bass amps were loaded with a reverse mounted 18" speaker fired though a horn (ported) cabinet. They would flap your trousers and dry your sweaty back at the same time. NO ONE would ever use such a beast for acoustic guitar! EVER.........................
+Piedscooter1 thanks for clarifying, In one of the booklets for new Zeppelin remasters there's what looks to be an Orange bass amp hooked up to JPJ's bass
Any Orange amps on JPJ's side of the stage were Page's, for guitar monitoring. During the 1970's....................
+Piedscooter1 Cool
I don't know if this has been asked/answered already, and if it has I apologize, but is Nathan related to Mark King, or is it just a coincidence that they are both in Level 42 and share the same last name?
Brothers.
does Nathan have his own channel?
Dude if i full volume my gain and mid and volume would my 100w orange crush broken or its ok to full mid, gain and volume.
Could you do a review of the BC Rich Mockingbird Plus 4 Bass in Ghost Black please, or anyone who owns one or has played one could you please give me advice on it! Thanks!
little one sounds huge miced up
When will new Sound like videos come? :)
When the world is running down!!!
Personally we have the 15 inch one at college and it's rubbish, if it's too loud it just breaks up... Not really loud, from about 4 up it starts farting!
What I decided to do for my bass rig was get a orange CR120H guitar head, then match it with an Ashdown 2X10 mag 15 cab! It is an amazing rounding rig and use it for almost everything!
I worked this out at andertons because there amazing people! 😃
i think Orange shoulda went 200 watts on the 15. cause even that in a band from a SS amp is hardly enough. I miss my rig from about 10 years back. Had an Eden WTsomething head, a GK 2x10 on top of a MarkBass 15 (little mk model i think, the 15in cab weighed like 35lbs!!!). now all that gear is gone, and that Markbass cab i miss the most, followed by the Eden head. IIRC it ran 200 wats at 8 ohms, 400 or maybe 500 at 4 ohms, and like 700 something at 2 ohms! that amp was a beat. the Ohms probably not correct, just going from memory. Eden used to make great amps in the 90s/early 00s. from where my amp was. but there new stuff since selling out in like 2010 or so are terrible. a lot of smaller bass companies that put out great gear in the 90s/00s have sold out, gone outta business, etc.
anyone here remember the 'DR. Bass' fiasco from the talkbass forums? guy basically had a ponzi scheme outta building bass cabs. take money for orders to finance already late orders, whole thing was a disaster.
Hi Andertons, all, I bought the Crush 100. It arrived 4 days ago. Love the amp but it stinks. The Chinese 'new' smell is so strong it is making me ill. I put it in the bathroom over night. If it doesn't dissipate soon I will have to send it back.
Did you think about giving it a wipe down with some scented wipes? That normally gets the new plastic smell off of a lot of stuff for me
Or you can sell it to me?? Ill take the smell
Orange 25BX or Ampeg BA108v2?
James Brown on the Tami show-same tape i've had for years...
Does it have line out?
Who knows, help me please 😢
SWEET!
SOUNDS like old BLACK SABBATH to me
1st 3 mins explained by a typical guitarist thank the lord Nathan's there and for the 3 nobs I reckon there was a 4th just kidding
The left guy looks like a turtle
"the left guy." :(
dont diss the captain
No u
Its a turtle disaster
anders harmsiddlyumptious that’s not a diss, turtles are awesome.
Guitar Collection video!!
Don't like the frequency that the mid control is on. They could have moved it a little higher IMO.
You can move it higher with the frequency knob!
Going with Orange after my Fender Rumble died after only 4 months
How have you found it compared to the rumble?
Lol same situation right here. My Fender Rumble 25 broke after 2 years so im waiting for this one (50w) to get here ;)
@@braninacore Have you tried the Fender Rumble 40.
@@susiemuirhead6579 nope
@@braninacore The Rumble 40s aren't bad. I use it for practice at home.
Shouldn't the power sections use the same components in both digital and analog transistor amps?
could you guys do the guitar newer run with rob ?
Really hate distortion on a bass amp.Reminds me of when I blew the 18" speaker on my Selmer Goliath. Denny Laine told me it sounded like a tuba.
kingstumble True! never been a fan of bass distortion!
Kevin Yariel you must hate motorhead
Actually I love motorhead! Lemmys distortion is just too unique to compare! no one can imitate his tone!
the only bass distortions i like are all of metallicas bass distortions, motorhead and victor wooten!
Kevin Yariel then you can't say you hate distorted bass.
It's actually pretty easy to imitate his bass tone -- one essentially just needs a Rickenbacker and an old, non-master volume Marshall (or clone) cranked up to 7 or so, mids cranked, bass and treble somewhat down -- attack the bass when you really want it to growl, play a bunch of chords when you really, REALLY want it to growl, and you''re pretty much there. Of course, imitating his attitude? Hell no -- there will NEVER be another Lemmy! RIP.
As far as why his bass sounds better than most distorted bass, a lot of bass distortion has a way of sheering off the transient attack of individual notes, which kills the rhythm of the bass -- a slight overdrive (pedal or amp) was a lot of mids (a lot of bassists scoop the hell out of their mids, because it covers up their bad playing!) preserves that, hence it sounds badass.
Can you do a bass pedal board under £500
Schlappy de bass?
Yes
The midrange is semiparametric: there is no bandwidth control.
Is it just me that thinks the distortion is too "fizzy" sounding?
Dont know why they push the distorted capabilities of Orange. They have that for sure, but they are beautiful clean caps also.
25:04 That's just filthy.
still better than bass fuzz
Blasphemer!
Uh, filthy is a good thing in this case.
Made in China totally ruined my wishes to get this combo!!!
Can you guys recommend me high quality combo alternatives?
Looks like Mesa Boogie does not make bass combos anymore.
Ampeg Heritage line does not have bass combos.
I found Traynor. It is made in Canada. Are there any other suggestions?
ⰔⰀⰞⰀⰎ̑ⰣⰁⰤⰛⰟⰋⰉⰀⰎⰎⰀⰘⰟ⋅ I suggest not turning your nose up at an entire country of origin.
If there will be products made in China with boutique quality and fair treat to workers and environment friendly i will be only happy, as Jesus Christ too!!!
Lol dumb
After COVID, China is a NO go. Ever! Simply put.
Have you tried Fender?
What is significant about 8:45?
I think it takes the mid tone range and shifts it towards the lows or highs.
That distortion😕
Fender Rumbles?? =(
They talked about them in the "Squire Starter Pack" episode.
I'm sorry but why?
Meh
@@The10000lbGorilla The ones in the Starter packs are only Rumble 15. The Rumble 40 is better.
The attack and punchy response you get from a solid state power section I feel far better than an analog power amp any day. Though analog has the warm low end, it is in most amps far too muddy with piss poor response.
solid state *is* analog.
Turn the master down, and now you can tune your bass with no sound.
Anyone else notice the random close up on The Captains giant ZIT?? What's up with that? LOL
U.S. MSRP?
The Guitar Center Website lists the 50w at 269 USD
The10000lbGorilla Thanks.
GC only carries the Pix series these replace. Go to Sweetwater or Zzounds. $299 for the 50W/12" and $569 for the 100W/15".
Fender has the crush beat. Granted the crush arguably sound better butinstead of paying $960(690 pounds) for just the head i can buy both a 500 watt head and 600 watt cab for $700(500 pounds) its more for less granted both are still a fuck load of money but you get such a better deal with fender in my opinion
19:15
25:04 MUSE
Cameron Norman tbf tho he played it with a pick and chris woltenholme of muse plays that bass line finger-style
Toby Deluxe V
no treble
the overdrive is cheap.
People who have not heard of a sansamp must still buy bass amps, huh?
naawww