Great Players of the Past -- Adolf Anderssen, with GM Ben Finegold

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  • @rajbhattacharjea6648
    @rajbhattacharjea6648 4 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Ben says to always look at switching the move order in tactical lines. This idea really helps!

  • @loulasher
    @loulasher 4 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Giri-draw jokes are the real 'evergreen' here.

    • @ssik9460
      @ssik9460 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Did this man predict the suez crisis

    • @masonarturo6002
      @masonarturo6002 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      i know Im asking the wrong place but does someone know of a tool to get back into an instagram account..?
      I was stupid forgot my account password. I would love any tips you can give me.

    • @alfonsocarlos285
      @alfonsocarlos285 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Mason Arturo Instablaster =)

  • @tranquil_cove4884
    @tranquil_cove4884 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    i looked at all the games where morphy lost, and in all of them he spotted a knight, or was sick, or it was the 15th game of a 15 game match and morphy had won the first 14 games and was giving the other guy a pity win. pretty rare to see morphy get outplayed like this. anderssen was really on his game.

  • @Mattymcx
    @Mattymcx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    “Its double-check. Wait let me make sure... yeah its double-check I doublechecked.” 😂😂😂

    • @0xf7c8
      @0xf7c8 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well, ackchually...he checked that he double-checked.

  • @yunglean4387
    @yunglean4387 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    So glad Ben is still doing proper chess lectures! Instalike!

  • @scarscrews
    @scarscrews 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    A 50+ minutes Ben Finegold lecture ?
    Is it Christmas again ? FELIZ NAVIDAD

    • @jcorona984
      @jcorona984 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The answer is fries 🍟

  • @SelfReflective
    @SelfReflective 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    "It's September 8th, 2020...unfortunately..." - I hope one day will be able to look at this comment and enjoy it without the menacing connotations it brings.

    • @RoyLGamer
      @RoyLGamer ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah things are slightly better now

    • @SelfReflective
      @SelfReflective ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RoyLGamer Ha ha, how lucky we were, eh?

  • @andrewptob
    @andrewptob 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Gamer Ben. 🕹

    • @qrsimon
      @qrsimon 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's kinda funny right

  • @LukePettit
    @LukePettit 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I'm buying shares in that kid. He sounds like a 1700 7 year old

  • @andsviat
    @andsviat 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That last game was really impressive. Looks superb.

  • @iwanabana
    @iwanabana 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This reminds me of the quote on Tal, Botvinnik and Petrosian doing sacrifices. Pray, and keep going vs just resign :)

  • @petersiegfriedkrug
    @petersiegfriedkrug ปีที่แล้ว

    Ben is so amazing. He is so good at entertaining people and knows so much about chess.

  • @alexlopez4
    @alexlopez4 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    The guy said ‘Judit Polgar’!
    He was too polite to correct Ben. 😂

    • @81OH4Z4RD
      @81OH4Z4RD 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I heard Susan Polgar, Judit's sister.

    • @Antipodeano
      @Antipodeano 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He definitely said Susan.

    • @aaaaaaaaabaaaaaaaaa
      @aaaaaaaaabaaaaaaaaa 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      No it was definitely Judit, you can hear the J sound and you can definitely hear her name ends in "it".

    • @royfeigel2535
      @royfeigel2535 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Antipodeano He said Judith

    • @ishanjoshi1350
      @ishanjoshi1350 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Its one of those, "It's white and gold!" "No it's black and blue!" The guy was unclear enough on the call for it to have been Susan or Judith. I heard Susan but I could be convinced that it was Judith.

  • @aaab6054
    @aaab6054 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    According to Wikipedia "{En Passant} was not universally accepted until the Italian rules were changed in 1880" so it may or may not have been an accepted rule in the 1851 game.

  • @angc214
    @angc214 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Been waiting for this one for a long time. Anderssen and Morphy are my favorites from the romantic era of chess.

  • @ac4brett
    @ac4brett 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Can the next great players of the past lecture be on Ken West

    • @Thaumazo83
      @Thaumazo83 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      GM Ken West, show the proper respect! ;-D

  • @Evilanious
    @Evilanious 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    If you are German before 1871 it doesn't mean you are a citizen of Germany, since Germany only exists since 1871. It probably refers to his language and culture or possibly to him becoming German with Germanies' unification in 1871. Prussia actually was the country that unified Germany, Berlin was it's capital before it was Germanies' capital. What used to be Prussia in early modern times is now part Polish, part German and part Russian (Kaliningrad used to be called Königsberg before the Russians took it) because after world war two, Moscow decided to cut Germany down a bit, taking some of their eastern lands, ethnically cleansing it of Germans and giving it to Russia and Poland.

    • @Thaumazo83
      @Thaumazo83 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      All of this is correct, thank you. I think that saying that A. A. was German refers to both his culture and the fact that he became a citizen of Germany after the birth of that country in 1871. It is also the case that anyone who was a Prussian national is normally considered German, no matter when he or she lived. An example would be philosopher Immanuel Kant, who was born, lived and died in the Königsberg / Kaliningrad you mention way before "Germany" appeared on the maps.

  • @atwarwithdust
    @atwarwithdust 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    “Three possible endings” - like the movie Clue!

  • @ThaylorHarmor
    @ThaylorHarmor 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The crowd interaction is lost....dam you COVID,!

    • @bjorntorlarsson
      @bjorntorlarsson 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      At least Ben doesn't wear one of them dog muzzles or diapers over his face.

    • @TheSummersilk
      @TheSummersilk 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Plus none of the more annoying kids

  • @heinerbremer1895
    @heinerbremer1895 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Little history lesson: Prussia used to be the bigggest state of the German Reich prior WW I and II. Poland as a country didnt exist prior WW I and was founded as a result of it (in the peace treaty of Versailles).

  • @anttt7993
    @anttt7993 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wow, a very obscure Alice in Chains reference. I continue to be surprised!

  • @Swagtorian
    @Swagtorian 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dubov and rapport!

  • @TrulyVerity
    @TrulyVerity 4 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Ben is so much funnier when he’s teaching.

  • @iwannabem
    @iwannabem 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Whoa those screen wipes are tight!

  • @Guitare_picking
    @Guitare_picking 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for sharing

  • @Bombvlog
    @Bombvlog 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    In 32.29 how if black king move to d8?

  • @shcottam
    @shcottam 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love theese!

  • @paulgottlieb
    @paulgottlieb 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fischer played Bc4 on the few occasions he played the Kings Gambit

  • @duskoveselinovic2060
    @duskoveselinovic2060 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Kasparov vs Karjakin game that Ben mentiones featured 3. Nc3 instead of Bc4 move...

  • @matthewbond1740
    @matthewbond1740 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Any chance you will be covering Mikhail Botvinnik?

  • @xanbex8324
    @xanbex8324 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "Knight to g8 setting up for the next game" HA HA HA

  • @draheim90
    @draheim90 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I’m a little confused on the statement that Prussia became Poland. Prussia encompassed a number of modern-day European countries, including Germany, and its capital was Berlin for 250 years. I’ve always associated Prussia with Germany as well.

    • @bjorntorlarsson
      @bjorntorlarsson 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Many Germans didn't much fancy the Prussians. Like the Saxons and Bavarians. It must've been as with the European Union today. Swedes and Greeks having the same law and budget, how could that work? They don't even eat Schweinshaxe.

    • @privatevendetta
      @privatevendetta 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And you are right do so. After the WW2 Germany relinquished all claims to former Prussian countries, now belonging to Poland.

  • @elasiduo108
    @elasiduo108 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Small correction. Technically, the match with Steinitz in 1866 isn't usually considered a "World Championship Match". Steinitz, in his "letter battle" with Zukertort, later claimed that he was World Champion since 1866 because he had beaten Anderssen, but at the time of the match, it wasn't considered as such.
    Regarding the games, I imagine that in the Morphy game, Morphy should have been thinking:
    "So, this guy developed his pieces correctly, he castled, he's blocking my attempts in the Kingside and is getting nice counterplay in the Queenside...
    ... WHAT IS HAPPENING????"

  • @nicholasimholte7359
    @nicholasimholte7359 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I find it strange that of the 3 games, the one that is the most impressive, given the strength of his opponent, is the one that you don't hear about. Every chess student knows the first 2, but the game against Morphy? I've never seen it before, and I doubt I'm alone.

  • @johnkoprivsek8317
    @johnkoprivsek8317 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    For the Anderssen v. Morphy game, on move 41, what about white playing bf7, then kxb7, ba5, ke6, bxc7, nxc7, rxc7.. Then white rook is attacking 2 pawns and it looks winning. No?

  • @bulentkirca3311
    @bulentkirca3311 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "It is not enough to be a good player... you must also play well" ~ Siegbert Tarrasch
    "First-class players lose to second-class players because second-class players sometimes play a first-class game" ~ Siegbert Tarrasch

  • @danielturner1891
    @danielturner1891 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hooray! Another Finegold lecture. Too infrequent!

  • @polemikful
    @polemikful 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dude it's not Ampersand which is this simbol --> &; it's "en passant" which means "while passing"

  • @robertomariani626
    @robertomariani626 ปีที่แล้ว

    22:07, ahah, 2nd finegold video where he says the answer is fries while I'm eating fries!

  • @dannygjk
    @dannygjk 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's amazing, (to weakies like me at least), that in the King's Gambit 3.Bc4 is almost as good as 3.Nf3. (if black plays the 'obvious' 3...Qh4+).

  • @tranquil_cove4884
    @tranquil_cove4884 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    i got really excited i was really hoping this would be ulf anderssen idk why

  • @DWeirich76
    @DWeirich76 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This closes the Morphy/Steinitz gap.

  • @jashyotes
    @jashyotes 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gooooo ben

  • @pwnedd11
    @pwnedd11 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You said Anderssen wasn't born in Germany but instead was born in Prussia. However, they were one and the same at the time. Germany was not a unified country, and Prussia was considered one of the many "German states." But that's not all. Prussia had controlled the state that Berlin was in (Brandenburg) for a very long time. It was called Brandenburg-Prussia, and then later on just "Prussia." And many Prussian kings (or kaisers) had their capital in Berlin. And then..... when you fast-forward to the 1800's, you'll find out that the Prussian Empire had become the dominant German state during Anderssen's time. They eventually fought a war with France (the Franco-Prussian War in 1870... 9 years before Anderssen passed away), and they used that war to unite all of the other German states into one "German Empire."
    So, later, in the 1900's, the "Germany" that fought in World War I was literally the successor to Prussia... and Kaiser Wilhelm II (the German leader in WWI) was the heir to a long line of Prussian kings.
    But going back to Anderssen's time... given Prussia's strength in Germany and its German capital of Berlin, somebody born in Prussia was rightfully called German (even before the German unification).
    However, the borders between Germany and Poland have shifted many times. Post World War I, they changed. And after World War II, they contracted again. So, huge tracks of land in "Prussia" and later in "Germany" were eventually shifted into Polish territory. And huge chunks of "Polish" territory actually became Lithuania (and Poland and Lithuania used to be one state in the middle ages.. very complicated!).
    So, what this means is that, many people who would have been considered "German" at one point in time might be considered "Polish" today and vice-versa. And Anderssen, born where he was, would have been "German" back then. Today, he'd be "Polish."
    Hopefully that helps!

  • @malachickisawesome
    @malachickisawesome 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    LEEETTTTSSSS GOOOOOOOOOO

  • @MrEdward86
    @MrEdward86 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Different games from the first video 😍

  • @albertsanvura8039
    @albertsanvura8039 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello 👋.

  • @mothertrucker-u9m
    @mothertrucker-u9m 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i cannot believe morphy has been served like this.

  • @bjorntorlarsson
    @bjorntorlarsson 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've read that chess is now the biggest online game! By some measure. That's pretty big considering all the fancy shoot'em ups and micromanaging clicketyclick "strategy" games.

  • @TheAleksander22
    @TheAleksander22 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you watch *Curb your Enthusiasm* you'll know that the sponsor was actually Ted Danson

  • @diptherio
    @diptherio 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    FIDE ranks Susan Polgar as number 368 in the world, and Finegold as 1267. Susan's rating is 2577, while Ben's is 2476. Just sayin'.

    • @Thaumazo83
      @Thaumazo83 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He only said that S. P. is an average GM, which is true. It is also true that GM Finegold is a weak GM.

    • @Thaumazo83
      @Thaumazo83 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @Daniel Hilton GMs are usually divided in four tiers: 2699-2650, 2649-2600, 2599-2550, 2549-2500. Players with a rating >2700 are normally seen as "Super-GMs", an unofficial, separate category. Ben Finegold's peak rating of 2563, reached in 2006, puts him in Tier 3, but he managed to stay there only a couple of months. Then he fell to Tier 4, and in 2012 he was already stably under 2500, which would not be enough to become a GM. GM Finegold is not a strong GM or even an average GM. As a GM, he remains an incredibly skilled player though.

  • @GeorgiosMichalopoulos
    @GeorgiosMichalopoulos 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Grandmaster Finegold was really upset with the Morphy defeat.

  • @TheBigGameTheoryHDx
    @TheBigGameTheoryHDx 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well prussia was a part of germany when he died so its pretty safe to say that he was german also his first names are like the most german of german names and i would know i am one

  • @bjorntorlarsson
    @bjorntorlarsson 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    We (I mean, people who play better chess than I do) should wright long wikipedia articles about Ben Finegold's games! He's repeatedly begging us. And don't call him Fishgold. "And at the 65th move the opponent fell asleep because nothing had happened on the board." "Black looks like he came late to the game and skipped the first 5 moves."

  • @JudgeHolden13
    @JudgeHolden13 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Old chair? Recorded a while back?

    • @Antipodeano
      @Antipodeano 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He says 08 September 2020

    • @JudgeHolden13
      @JudgeHolden13 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Antipodeano thanks. I was paying attention lol

  • @テイラーサム
    @テイラーサム 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Someone tooted at 29:38 😂

  • @mepposhow
    @mepposhow 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gott sei Dank.

  • @cammro
    @cammro 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    i thought prussia was a combination of poland and germany, and then after napoleon and alliances with the royal there, poland once again became poland

  • @carlosdumbratzen6332
    @carlosdumbratzen6332 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Prussia is German, although Germany didnt exist back then.

    • @JudgeHolden13
      @JudgeHolden13 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nein

    • @carlosdumbratzen6332
      @carlosdumbratzen6332 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@JudgeHolden13 Doch!

    • @georgehornsby2075
      @georgehornsby2075 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Prussia covered bits of Germany and Poland, and some of Denmark I think...

    • @JudgeHolden13
      @JudgeHolden13 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@georgehornsby2075 nein neinty nein

    • @carlosdumbratzen6332
      @carlosdumbratzen6332 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@georgehornsby2075 i dont want to open a discussion about ethnicity and stuff, but there is a difference between "German" and "Germany". Germany as the idea of a country only really developed in the 19th century and Germany as we know it today only exist since 1990. Until the 1970s it was still disputed if the "Ostgebiet" (eastterritories) should be reintegrated into Germany and from 1871 to 1918/1945 those areas were part of the German state. Prussia was the biggest federal state in the Kaiserreich, the Weimar Republic and Nazi Germany. The prussian King was the Kaiser of Germany. German as the name of a specific population with their own language is a bit older. And the people in Königsberg or Danzig spoke German until they got replaced after the second world war.
      Prussia, while it existed (until 1947), was German and to deny that is to deny history.

  • @princesasuke7770
    @princesasuke7770 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ben can never outrun anyone or the bear

  • @marianpalko2531
    @marianpalko2531 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Steinitz was born in 1836, Morphy 1837.

  • @jiaan100
    @jiaan100 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Rick and morty ad lol

  • @edmis90
    @edmis90 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Every time he says Anderssen, I have to think about Anderson from the anime _Hellsing._
    *Every. Single. Time.*

  • @dannyou2043
    @dannyou2043 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    prussia becomes poland????

    • @Thaumazo83
      @Thaumazo83 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      A part of what used to be Prussia is now Poland, yes. That territory was ceded to Poland after WW2.

  • @EpicVideoMaster11
    @EpicVideoMaster11 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Janks Ben

  • @chadmacgargle5311
    @chadmacgargle5311 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Burden played this vrs Amateur. Peace and love Burden won. Peace and love

  • @hunterxg
    @hunterxg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    first :o

  • @dago6410
    @dago6410 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    P russia became Poland? Very suspicious....

  • @schusterlehrling
    @schusterlehrling 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anderssen was there a few years before Morphy. He was not a missing link between Morphy and Steunitz. You should check chess history before you start to post grave mistakes like that. A bit of preparation is needed badly.

    • @ulrichschmidt5559
      @ulrichschmidt5559 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think what Ben means is: Morphy was No.1 during the period let's say 1856-1859, while Steinitz was No.1 from the early 1870s to like 1890. Anderssen was No.1 before Morphy (by winning London 1851) and then again in the period after Morphy's retirement let's say between 1860-1870 (winning 4 great tournaments: London 1862, Barmen and Hamburg 1869 and Baden-Baden 1870, ahead of Steinitz).
      So Anderssen played against Morphy in the 1850s and against Steinitz in the 1860/70s, and he was the top player in the period between the "Morphy era" (late 1850s) and the "Steinitz era" (1870s-1890), and can for these two reasons be considered "the missing link" between these two. (Unfortunately Morphy and Steinitz never played each other. Steinitz simply was not yet a top player in the 1850s, he started to grow "really strong" only towards the second half of the 1860s, long after Morphy's retirement.)