How to rescue a High Speed Train!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 มี.ค. 2015
- As part of a training exercise during the downtime, King's Cross station pilot, DB Schenker Class 67, 67024, was brought over to the front of recently arrived Virgin Trains East Coast Class 43, 43257, to carry out the procedure used in rescuing a failed HST set. This isn't a full procedure as Jumper cables that allow the Class 67 to control the brakes of the HST weren't connected, but it did give a very interesting insight into how when the HST goes wrong, the situation can be saved!
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Reminds me of the Train Sim world Great Western “Drag line” scenario where you have to use a class 66 to rescue a failed HST and take it to old oak common depot for repair.
I just did this mission very realistic
lol same
@Stephenson’s Rocket what steps did you take?
@Stephenson’s Rocket parking brake in the hst cab
@Stephenson’s Rocket HST===============HST-66
go to HST close to 66 then go to the drivers seat then find the parking brake then if you find the button with a cap that says parking brake hold that then it will turn the parking brakes off
The driver of 67024 in this video is ex-King's Cross VTEC (now LNER) driver Gordon Johnston (now at ScotRail in Inverness). He started driving trains on 11th July 1998, and one of his last services with VTEC was the 07:03 (1D03) to Leeds (43367 leading).
Is it you??
@@D.music85 That's me writing the comment, and Gordon Johnston is the driver.
Did you get his autograph?
No.
Great video, and thank you for NOT adding background music!!
"High Speed Train Emergency Coupling" shows well how the draw bars fit and can be slid backwards and forwards to allow for positioning.
In case you are blind, we can see here that they've modernised the emergency coupling equipment, probably for the worst.
Alright alright you don’t have to be rude, he’s just being informative.
Dow many different draw bars did a hst have for emergency coupling thought they carried 2 different draw bars
@@steamfandan9682 Yes they did. One for assistance from locomotives, and another for assisting by another HST.
This is the second of these videos that TH-cam has thrown at me in 12 hrs.
Very interesting. A few years I filmed the uncoupling procedure of a Virgin 57 from a pendolino, quite interesting to watch.
I've had to do that myself. It is important not to pull the second pin out or the drawbar becomes too flexible and you will end up with the HST touching the assisting loco's buffers.
You only pull the second pin out if your using a 08 Gronk.
I knew they a 67 on Thunderbird duties but this 1 footage I've seen in action of any kind . Really good , thanks for sharing
Nice capture and very interesting ,, something you don't see everyday (if ever) even though it was just a training exercise ,,,, nicely documented and many thanks,,, Alan
Great video
Good to see something not commonly filmed documented. Very interesting and informative too.
Just like in the "High Speed Train - Emergency Coupling" video - I'd be scared to stand between the two trains like that.
I think HST drag rail tours would be a good but occasional idea. I'd love to see the Midland Pullman hauled by a Deltic or an air-braked steamer like Sir Nigel.
Excellent video. Very well made.
Beautiful images with trains and nice loco! Good job! Thumbs Up
Greetings from Romania
Andrew
Not necessarily the best publicity for virgin/ Stagecoach's first week on the east coast mainline, but the HST is an icon, nearly 40 years on. Long may it stay on our railways.
Thanks! :D
+Andrew Wilson it was just a practice run so they can teach how to do it
+Andrew Wilson well if u count the fact that class 37s have been around longer and that only grand central will be the only company that is supposed to run class 43s but still I like class 43s better than the class 800/801s
For some reason this reminds me of the time we were trying to get a small Canadian shunting engine to couple to a heavyweight lounge car at a museum. It was interesting to say the least as the coupler on the lounge car had rusted into place.
At least they were wearing gloves unlike the BTF version!
Thanks for sharing.
You're welcome :)
Great video. Never knew how thy did this.
Nice bit of footage....Steve.
Thank you! :D
Why did they decide not to couple up ? Or was it just a training exercise ?
A few HSTs were retrofit with draw hook couplings. I don't know why there weren't all retrofit as I'm sure if they had it would have made it easier to rescue a failed HST.
It's possible for an HST to be rescued by another HST, no idea how often that happened
those 8 HSTs fitted with standard drawhooks and buffers was done as part of a modification so they could be used as surrogate DVTs due to late delivery of mk4 sets, there was never any intention to fit the entire fleet like that, also the HSTs do carry a longer coupling bar to allow 2 HSTs to be coupled together
Very informative video. Just an observation, but years ago, knuckles were made compulsory in the USA after a lot of serious accidents with loop and pin couplers, yet here the knuckle is only used to support the temporary coupler, and the crew still have to connect up with a pin with all the risk that entails. I know it will never happen, but it would be so much better if ALL locos and rolling stock were fitted with knuckles instead of the mixture of BSI, hook and chain, Schaffenberg types and other couplers that we have now..
I saw this happen to a failed VTEC 91 set at Huntingdon, with 67018. Video is on my channel.
seen this done a few times, although he forgot to secure the door in the upright position with the 2 bars and the swivel pins lol but otherwise that's exactly how to do it
One thing I couldn't help but think I know i was just a training excessive as per the description but how come he didn't take out the brake lines, hook them up and then preform a break test like you would if you were recovering a failed HST
Because its not a failed HST
Obviously he doesn't understand the procedural process that you don't need to use the buckeye coupling on the draw bar there is a hook bar that sits on the locomotive hook for coupling to a locomotive without the buckeye type couplings
So they coupled the HST with the class 67 then uncoupled it? What is the point of that?
It was a training exercise :)
Informative video. I wonder how the IC125 got some dents in its nose on the offside.
Martindyna hitting birds at 125mph maybe lol
You're probably right LOL
What was this a staging thing to show how it can be done if needed? looks like that to me. for training reasons only.
Yeah, it was just practice really, there was nothing wrong with the HST :)
So that’s why that class 67 is parked up at kings cross and Newcastle
Usually already connected up on the hst and the rescue loco couples with the buck eye
Nice to see you using the word “ Buckeye “ everyone calls them knuckles today.
@@exb.r.buckeyeman845 we use them on GM locos here in Ireland to I used to work on the railway and that's the term that is used both in Ireland and the United Kingdom
@@irishsixtysixfanGbrf66739 Thanks for replying.
@@exb.r.buckeyeman845 no bother
It would take 10 American railway staff to do this
cosgrove notts it would take an American driver, because all of our trains use knuckles instead of outdated hooks, bars and chains.
It's maybe outdated, but it's safer.
Fire Bunny just because something is newer doesnt mean its better...
No, it would not. This coupling has been banned more than a century ago. If anybody tried this in the USA, they would be fired on spot.
@@kofola9145 can't you take a damn joke?
It seems to require very accurate positioning of the locomotive - there's even a break in the video at the point where they'd be putting the pin in, suggesting it might have taken some time to do. An adjustable length tow bar would simplify things, and surely not be that difficult to design.
Sylvia Else An adjustable drawbar would likely be considerably heavier to man-handle into that gap. It would also be difficult to close the adjustable section tight without moving the assisting train, too much slack would not be good practice.
Sylvia Else The drawgear that the drawbar attaches to can be let out a bit for coupling so the drawbar itself dosn't need it.
+peebee143 not needed. The link where the drawbar is placed into the HST, is extendable by 12 inches. Once you have the two locomotives coupled together, the 'flexible' gap is closed, and locked by a very thick king pin.
And dont forget to replace the Detent Pin.
@@duncanbhaltaireanraigwilso9627 Lol. I’ve watched that video too many times.
Didn't bother with dropping the bags out ready to couple before the draw bar was inserted. Would be more difficult to unclip them and drag them through with the assisting loco. up close
I missed east coast
Yes if you play train sim World on the great Western scenario drag line you get to do just that with a class 66 instead hook up and tow the hst
Excellent I Was Always Wondering How That Procedure Was Carried Out.
Check out high speed train emergency coupling from BR days and explains bettet
Why's that HST got dents all over it?
Bird strikes
Stopping a steam engine be like: *inserts old iron edward and james scene*
Epic stuff
Called a buck eye
It was like waiting for water to boil....
Why is that the station pilot?
Peter Murfitt it’s not the station pilot it’s the “Thunderbird” rescue locomotive for part of the East Coast Main Line.
Well if that doesn't take the biscuit, knuckles in the UK.
***** The LNER was fitting knuckle couplers to its passenger carriages back in the 1930s.
It was a lot quicker and simpler when assistance could be provided by any loco or train, as they all had a shackle and air pipes - none of these fancy couplings .
It's still the case that any air-braked loco can assist. The power cars now carry three drawbars.
i did not know that there are knuckle couplers in the uk
The passenger cars all have knuckle couplers on this type of train. I believe they can be swivelled down to reveal a more traditional hook and link setup, for when being moved in a yard by a different type of locomotive.
+smiffy1071 Actually HST Mk3 trailers have fixed buckeye couplers, loco hauled Mk3a's have the drophead buckeyes. HST trailers usually require translator vehicles to loco haul them or a loco or shunter with a drophead or fixed buckeye coupler.
@@Redmanb11 To be exact the coupler use for the intercar connections of a HST is called the Alliance Coupler. It's basically an AAR Type E coupler mounted on fixed drawgear. It's the same coupler used on freight cars in the USA. However, it is fully conpatible with standard Type E, Drophead Type E's, and Type F Tightlock Couplers. So, a HST powercar (gangway end) can couple directly to a 67, or even a 91. In fact the MML electricication test train uses two HST powercars to T+T two Class 91's and a rake of Mk3's by directly coupling to the Drophead of the 91. They do however need a translator vehicle when coupling to an item of rolling stock with only Screwlink Couplers.
Seems rather complicated in comparison with our Schaku automatic couple...
+mureseanu976 It's for emergency use only.
My thinking exactly. Is a little over complicated just to tow the train. I get this really is only for emergency, but even the worker seem a bit confused.
America.
Skip to the rescue
Very labour intensive!!!
Surely got to be a better way than this, .... what a performance😜
HSTs have 2 power cars, so total failures are rare. Newer trains have automatic couplers.
イギリスにも双頭連結器があんのか
Why does England have so many coupler standards?
Because we have so old trains so the brown is a more modern one than the left so has easier coupling
Railwork F4nTaZ I think Virgin use Dellner(?) coupling devices on their Pendolino trains and the coupling device on their rescue trains were adapted to suit.
All irish Trains 15 Or so Different makes all can Adapt to each other even Alstom LHB Tokyu Car which are Darts Dublin area Rapid Transit and they can be towed by either Railcars or Locos.
BSI, Dellner, Tightlock, Scharfenberg etc are used in the whole of Britain, not just "England"... many long distance services run cross-border between Scotland and England, and England and Wales. Before privatisation in the late 90s, the nationalised company was called BRITISH Rail, not "English" Rail... Northern Ireland, the fourth country that is still in the UK but not Britain, has a completely separate railway network.
You've also got to take into account if the electrical block/connector is at the top or the bottom of the mechanical coupler
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That’s a really old train coupling, not even electronic
i dont call that a rescuing a high speed train
this is what i call a tried to rescue a train (runaway)
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ayo that looks like they are making baby
Ikr😂
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Teh Siemens Charger should replace teh class 43!!!
Complicated Useless elaborate and expensive Shockingly similar to being in ownership of a jaguar.
Those trains are not high speed
The hst is
125 mph
Just pointless