4-6-0 Camelback Locomotive

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ต.ค. 2024
  • Considered an eccentric by his contemporaries, Baltimore & Ohio Railroad
    builder Ross Winans created the first "Camel" locomotive in 1848 with an 0-8-0 wheel arrangement. To allow room for a larger firebox, Winans placed the engineer's cab above the boiler creating a locomotive that resembled a
    hump-back camel. The peculiar design placed more weight on the drivers therefore producing more traction. In the 1850s, Master of Machinery, Samuel J. Hayes, combined the "Camel" design with a 4-6-0 wheel arrangement. Later designers, Henry Tyson, Thatcher Perkins,and John C. Davis continued to build 4-6-0 "Camels" during and after the Civil War.
    "Camels" were often redesigned for better productivity, but never for the comfort of the crew. The engineer was uncomfortably warm above the boiler,
    and the fireman was often cold on the open tender. In addition, the distance
    between the crew caused communication difficulties. Nevertheless, "Camels"
    became a trademark B&O locomotive for both freight and passenger service.

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  • @awizardalso
    @awizardalso 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    No. 305 is one of the most interesting locomotives I've ever seen. I'm happy to see it being preserved.

  • @MoonwolfeConsulting
    @MoonwolfeConsulting 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    She's a beauty. Now let's see her RUNNING. Let the serious work begin.

    • @MoonwolfeConsulting
      @MoonwolfeConsulting 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Now I see she's much too dangerous to run under her own power. Great museum piece, nonetheless.

  • @StontonGrangeRailway
    @StontonGrangeRailway 12 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    As a Brit I don't really know a great deal about American Railroads but this is probably my favourite American locomotive, I think that the way it is designed is beautiful and a symbol of the Railroads of the United States. Although the railways of the UK wouldn't run an engine like that, I would love to go on my next trip to the USA and see one of these engines.
    Greetings from the UK
    Dan

  • @nathandeal9703
    @nathandeal9703 6 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Anyone else want to see this beauty back in action?

    • @ClamTram96
      @ClamTram96 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Nathan Deal Impossible to do now, considering these things became dangerous to operate in the late 1910s and so were quickly withdrawn

    • @steamandsmoke97
      @steamandsmoke97 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@ClamTram96 They actually were never withdrawn until the end of Steam in the US. It was just illegal to build one after 1919. Several Camelbacks survived to the end on the Reading, Jersey Central, D&H, Lackawanna, and Lehigh Valley. The last one in the US to operate was the Reading 1187 at the Strasburg Railroad in the 1960's. While yes, I believe the FRA no longer permits them to operate on mainline trackage, or would frown upon it, an Insular railroad can operate them no problem. The main issue here with this engine would be the boiler, considering it's age and being lap-seam riveted construction, it would never be certified to have a fire lit in it again.

    • @PanosSkarp
      @PanosSkarp 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Why were they dangerous?

    • @HalbeargameZ
      @HalbeargameZ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@PanosSkarp it was common for them to explode and the piston rods would fly up through the floor impaling the engineer

    • @PanosSkarp
      @PanosSkarp 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@HalbeargameZ oh that's terrible. I had no idea

  • @vectorbrony3473
    @vectorbrony3473 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love the optical illusion which makes you thing the floor is moving rather than the turntable

  • @OldsVistaCruiser
    @OldsVistaCruiser 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is a Winans Camel, not to be confused with camelback locomotives used primarily by the Reading and the Central of New Jersey.

  • @muley180
    @muley180 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Actually the B&O 305 is a "Camel" locomotive which has the cab on top of the boiler. A "Camelback" cab straddles the boiler.

  • @Hendo56
    @Hendo56 13 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Looks like that GP30 needs a trip to the repair shop. It's nothing short of miraculous what the B&O crew have done to restore the damaged locos.

  • @chucksherry
    @chucksherry 12 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Oh wow, I love these types of videos. Could you please post more like this? I have been watching your videos for 2 days now. I'm going to have withdrawals once I finish watching all of your videos. LOL!!! I'll be pestering you to post more and more. I would love to see videos of you talking about your life because you seem like an interesting person. Have a blessed day!!!!

  • @Iwanna_review
    @Iwanna_review ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wanted to ring her bell so badly now

  • @Dallas-Nyberg
    @Dallas-Nyberg 12 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Beautifully restored loco....nice video

  • @malcolmtaylor518
    @malcolmtaylor518 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Like seeing these old locos out on the rails again. Interesting design these camelbacks.

  • @Aryaba
    @Aryaba 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Beautiful.

  • @FreihEitner
    @FreihEitner 10 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Well I'll admit it's a unique locomotive design... not a good one mind you, but unique.

  • @ImpossiblyBlack
    @ImpossiblyBlack  11 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The only museum exhibit that is ran on a regular basis is the 2-4-0 William Mason.

  • @lionel153
    @lionel153 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very cool locomotive. Just think how neat it would be too see it under steam, high balling down the main line !!!

  • @ImpossiblyBlack
    @ImpossiblyBlack  12 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks!

  • @otakurailfan
    @otakurailfan 12 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    what a magnificent steamer

  • @ImpossiblyBlack
    @ImpossiblyBlack  12 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks.

  • @heidiborjgmanschmange8485
    @heidiborjgmanschmange8485 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Looks to be in great shape

  • @Robuster82
    @Robuster82 13 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great Video!!!

  • @warlordsquerk5338
    @warlordsquerk5338 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    That is the strangest steam engine I've ever seen

  • @RRYankfan
    @RRYankfan 12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i love when the GP30 was in the building

  • @CSXer
    @CSXer 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice vid. How did they get it off the TT and into it's slot?? Jack bars??

  • @mattsmocs3281
    @mattsmocs3281 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Man she is tiny for a ten wheeler. For being one of the four this has the largest wheel config and is the oldest. Compared to the reading and DL&W locos. But it is cool to see it move.

  • @junkdeal
    @junkdeal 12 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I remember this and others being damaged in the roof collapse. What ever happened to the 3 yellow B & O passenger cars? Did they attempt to rebuild them? Or would they ever?

  • @ImpossiblyBlack
    @ImpossiblyBlack  13 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    @CSXer I assume they will use a tractor to move it to its slot. But for now they're going to leave it on the turn table.

  • @ImpossiblyBlack
    @ImpossiblyBlack  12 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    One is on display in the roundhouse, on was too badly damaged to be saved but they still have the pieces, and I'm not sure what they plan on doing with other damaged car.

  • @danielday8828
    @danielday8828 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I think its also important to point that camelback locomotives were extremely dangerous to operate because of the side rods. If they failed, they would go up through the cab and kill the engineer.

    • @thewierdlemon5956
      @thewierdlemon5956 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Jared Axton if its going fast enough it can go straight through kinda like a tank shot

    • @paulnicholson1906
      @paulnicholson1906 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think new ones were banned after 1913

    • @danielday8828
      @danielday8828 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Jared Axton those fenders are more like a piece of paper compared to a side rod on a locomotive. the sheer mass of a side rod is astonishing.

  • @ImpossiblyBlack
    @ImpossiblyBlack  12 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Unfortunately no. To get it in running condition would be cost prohibitive.

  • @dfaircloth30
    @dfaircloth30 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Is this one of the engines Stonewall Jackson stole from Martinsburg Shops in 1861?

  • @NortheastTrains
    @NortheastTrains 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow very cool do they honk the horn?

  • @trainsbangsandautomobiles824
    @trainsbangsandautomobiles824 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It looks like the lead driver is blind along with the middle one??

  • @nemo-ev9ej
    @nemo-ev9ej 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    you could see that type of locomotive in the app called "Train Merger" ;3

  • @Clawzord2277
    @Clawzord2277 12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    did someone drop something or was that the horn?

  • @SouthCalifas619
    @SouthCalifas619 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think the original intention for the design may have been to give the engineers a better view of the track ahead

  • @ImpossiblyBlack
    @ImpossiblyBlack  13 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    @Robuster82 Thanks

  • @generalsb6332
    @generalsb6332 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Where was this locomotive before this?? Where is it returning from??

    • @MrKmoconne
      @MrKmoconne 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The roof of this round house collapsed under snow about 10 years ago and damaged many locomotives. I think this engine is returning after being restored.

  • @NCNG9
    @NCNG9 12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Does it run?

  • @sirgresley6007
    @sirgresley6007 10 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    any chance of restoring her to working order.

    • @ImpossiblyBlack
      @ImpossiblyBlack  10 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Not for the foreseeable future.

    • @daltonpartlow3844
      @daltonpartlow3844 10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Impossibly Black Can some1 give me some history on her (Build date etc)

    • @PereMarquette1223
      @PereMarquette1223 10 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Benjamin Crane They were made illegal to be BUILT after I believe the year 1919. They could still be used, and some like the CNJ camelback she sits next to, or the Reading camelback at the Strasburg Railroad were used up until the end. Reading 1187 last operated in 1968 at the Strasburg Railroad, she was the last Camelback to do so.

    • @jacquesblaque7728
      @jacquesblaque7728 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      My understanding is that the danger factor was the knuckle bearing joining the piston rod to the connecting rod. Break that, and the flailing rod can take out the cab. Too bad the firehole door area's all covered with sheet-metal, for those who want to see it in steam.

  • @Joey-zo8ub
    @Joey-zo8ub 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why is it that the rear drive axle has flanges but the other two drive axles don't?

    • @malcolmtaylor518
      @malcolmtaylor518 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It helped ease the long wheelbase around curves in the track. The flangeless drivers could ride just outside the inner flange of the track, stopping derailments.

  • @montanafay4425
    @montanafay4425 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    do any of these engines run?

  • @rosewhite---
    @rosewhite--- 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm inclined to say it is a 4-6-0

  • @websitesthatneedanem
    @websitesthatneedanem 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What was the reasoning / rational behind the Camelback Locomotive?

  • @jockellis
    @jockellis 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    And they are making this little thing pull that diesel into the property?

  • @skiiipawbs
    @skiiipawbs 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Only one of the wheel sets are flanged

  • @SCVRR66
    @SCVRR66 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    and the ST Elizabeth 0-4-0T #4

  • @flufflepuffle6229
    @flufflepuffle6229 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is how you preserve a camelback.
    Not the Strasburg way of taking a functional locomotive out of a museum and then letting it rot and rust into trash outside the shop.

  • @stanleydomalewski8497
    @stanleydomalewski8497 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Looks like it would be Fun to Ride in once !😊

  • @porneliushubertsthaicuisin1316
    @porneliushubertsthaicuisin1316 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does anyone know where the fire box would be on this engine?

    • @ImpossiblyBlack
      @ImpossiblyBlack  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The sloped portion hanging off the back of the locomotive. The fireman worked from the large covered platform on the tender.

    • @porneliushubertsthaicuisin1316
      @porneliushubertsthaicuisin1316 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks mate

    • @ImpossiblyBlack
      @ImpossiblyBlack  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@porneliushubertsthaicuisin1316 Your Welcome!

  • @ecb1912
    @ecb1912 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    4-4-0

  • @ImpossiblyBlack
    @ImpossiblyBlack  12 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have another TH-cam channel where I post videos like this one under the user name
    MrImpossiblyBlack. Check it out and see what you think.

  • @boxcarwillies1603
    @boxcarwillies1603 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    camel back? HA! That's a transit loco, or, to be put plainly, an inspection engine for owner's uses only. They were retained Illegal because of their constantly lethally hot floors built on top of the boiler. This is NOT a camel back.

    • @Maverick_Van_Traveller
      @Maverick_Van_Traveller 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      +Boxcarwillie2002 (Whistle Stop 2247) These were designed by Ross Winan, with the intention of putting as much weight over the drivers as possible. Not for track inspection. The more traditional "camelback" or "Mother Hubbard" were designed around a larger firebox to burn anthracite coal. While not related, both I have heard both types of locomotive referred to as "camelbacks", although "camel" is more commonly used to describe the Winan design.

    • @boxcarwillies1603
      @boxcarwillies1603 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ohhhhhh

  • @Band__geek
    @Band__geek 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    There’s the 1187 cousin

  • @deccan2ndshadi471
    @deccan2ndshadi471 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    💋

  • @deccan2ndshadi471
    @deccan2ndshadi471 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    👀