Une compositrice talentueuse ! On se demande pourquoi les oeuvres de cette musicienne ne sont pas plus connues et jouées ...Elle le mériterait incontestablement !! Merci pour cette mise en ligne !
A lovely concerto. Such a pity female composers have been ignored for so long. And Of course any romantic piano concerto has an uphill battle against the old warhouses'
A composer I have never heard of, its just followed on the playlist on You Tube from listening to Emilie Mayer`s Piano Concerto...This is another unknown female composer from the romantic era, why have we never heard of them?..Thank you for uploading this, I have loved clasical for almost 60 yrs, and gems like this pop up..I am forever learning, and enjoying music, that has been so neglected in the past, but now becoming available...This is such a revelation..I feel is a great alternative to the Schumann and Mendessohn of the period..
I'll tell you why we've never heard of them. There's far fewer major female composers and most recent discoveries are second rate composers. Few exceptions but there were some outliers who are really first rate: Fanny Mendelssohn is an example, as is Amy Beach and Lili Boulanger. Other female composers tend to be second rate but still good (Clara Schumann, Emilie Mayer, Mathilde Kralik von Meyrswalden, Laura Netzel, Louise Farrenc, or Luisa Le Beau).These fall into the same category as good second rate male composers (Hummel, Moscheles, Spohr, Moszkowski etc.) and are worthy to have a listen to purely based on the merit of their music alone. But due to feminism even trivial salon music composers like Maria Szymanówska and Alma Mahler have been resurrected. Or even Belle van Zuylen (who was a dilettant who wrote fourth rate knock-off Haydn-esque piano music, she was much more talented as a literary figure and gained her fame because of that) However, note that males are overrepresented by far among second and third rate classical composers too - as are modern male musicians far more likely to write their own material than females. Worked in electronic music for almost 20 years. Female DJs have an easier time landing gigs but males tend to be the ones who lock themselves up behind FL Studio for 30 hours a week. All these result from sexual dimorphism. Women are, on average, more agreeable, less aggressive, and more interested in people vs. things rather than vice versa, and have higher impulse control and higher trait neuroticism, than men. There is more overlap than difference in most of these categories, but succesful composers tend to fall in the outliers of these divisions which are very heavily skewed towards male overrepresentation. Women also have similar average intelligence as men but there are marked sex differences in distribution of intelligence, with greater male variability (= more retards yet also more geniuses) The typical composer has outlier high intelligence, is stubborn, and is a major geek who doesn't mind seclusion and tinkering with notes on staff paper for hours and hours each day, and has low enough neuroticism to thrive in an extremely competitive (and therefore often outright hostile and back-stabbing) industry. And having the cojones to be radically different and either break with conservative tastes or push back against current modernist trends (Wagner and Beethoven vs. Brahms or J.S. Bach, the former being radicals, the latter highly technically innovative yet stilistically conservative). Far more men than women meet these criteria. If a man and a woman are equally musically gifted but the man has more interest in things than in people and the other way around for the woman (which is typical), how would that play out in practice? Chances are the woman will spend more time doing chamber music and/or singing in a choir which automatically goes at the expense of other musical pursuits such as composition. She may very well become a more rounded musician because of it, but not a major composer, this requires toiling away in seclusion for hours a day. And then it also requires better coping with negative emotion, and being aggressive (being driven is nothing more than aggression channelled non-violently) to rise to the top. Men are way more likely to hit rock bottom in life than women but also more likely to reach dazzling heights because of all these factors and music composition is just one example.
Wow. I love when I am so elated with the final chords, having enjoyed every measure of the work. And then the applause! What a marvelous live recording. Wonderful playing!
It's easy to imagine this piece as a standard romantic concerto on stages today... It is pianistic in a very alluring way as well as being uncommonly poetical. The second movement has an indelible quality that communicates and could easily become recognizable to the memory of audiences. Thank you for posting this gem!
indeed, the only problem in the way is the unfortunately still existing gender discrimination within the ultra-conservative classical music industry... :-( there are some absolutely fantastic initiatives by great, but lesser known musicians and lots of smaller organisations etc... but there is a massive lack of help from the very top- which is a shame... but it´s reality that only very few or even hardly any "big super stars", famous Festivals, important concert halls etc. contribute to a positive change... I hope that one day more equality will exist within the "classical music world" too... it is waaaaaay more behind than the rest of society... which is a big shame... because I strongly believe that the "classical music world" actually could be a role model and thriving force regarding more equality for the rest of society! :-)
I actually did play Le Beau´s cello sonata on my final Master´s exam concert in the year 2013... looooots of heavy, tiresome discussions or even fights were necessary until I finally got the permission to play it... the first comments of the exam jury were statements like "what a nice piece- but way too easy for a Master´s exam"... THIS were comments which until today I´ve NEVER EVER gotten to hear when I´ve been playing compositions by male composers... apart from that I think it´s absolutely not good to judge a piece of music whether it is "difficult" or "easy" to play....
@@MagdalenaAdlberger Vielen Dank für Ihre interessanten, kenntnisreichen Beiträge. Ich bin fasziniert von der Vitalität dieses Konzerts. Immerhin, Louise Adolpha Le Beau war eine Frau, die als Musikerin jahrzehntelang durchhielt und nicht resignierte.
Aren't we lucky to be able to hear this concerto at a moment's notice? It is quite beautiful and the 2nd. movement could make a mark if revived in the context of something programmatic like a film.
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Son opus 24, Quatre pièces pour violoncelle et piano, a remporté le premier prix à Hambourg en 1882. Son style est caractérisé par des thèmes forts, bien écrits et un strict respect de la forme sonate. Elle a pratiqué de nombreux genres : pièces pour piano, Lieder, sonates pour piano, pour piano et violoncelle, deux opéras, un oratorio, une symphonie, un concerto pour piano, un quatuor à cordes, un trio avec piano
Un grazie sentito per aver messo questo gioiello di concerto,che sotto tutti gli aspetti del contenuto è meraviglioso.Cercherò la partitura. Complimenti alla pianista per l’esecuzione accurata.
Es un precioso Concierto. Suave, sin estridencias. Es una pena que los pianistas de nota no lo incluyan en sus conciertos y que no se escuche en los programas de música selecta por las emisoras de radio o la TV. Escúchelo Usted, que ha leído este breve comentario escrito por un muy aficionado a la buena música selecta. Lima - Perú
O KD2 que sigo há tempos, tem disponibilizado nas redes sociais verdadeiras joias que as salas de concertos não conhecem, o que é realmente lamentável. Música de qualidade não é apenas a que dioturnamente nos mostram, mas a que, por curiosidade de pesquisadores é redescoberta e acaba na estante de intérpretes que inovam programas sem preguiças para estudar novas partituras!... mas, para muitos intérpretes, apresentar sempre os mesmos resulta em menos estudos, menos ensaios. Para solistas que possam ter dificuldades em memorizar uma maior quantidade de obras, partituras e partes nas estantes não deprecia. De qualquer modo, diversificar é importante, prazeroso, e até mentalmente saudável. Ficaremos atentos à divulgação de novas raridades, e agradecidos a quem se disponha a divulgar.
This is really very good. I have been SO ignorant of both female composers and artists.....and I am an artist!!! Painter!HIGHER PROFILES FOR WOMEN PLEASE. By the way I am a man!!!
Maybe you could contact Furore! furore-verlag.de/ I´m not sure about the piano concerto, but they already published a lot of her other works within the past years. They are in any case always very kind and supportive! :-)
Nice piano concerto, though it lacks for me returning melodious themes. It's another forgotten piano concerto together with Emilie Mayer's brilliant Hummel-like piano concerto.
One cannot play a concerto alone... there are the decisions of a conductor and program director to consider. As lovely as this is, because most do not know the names of the women composers who were overlooked in the past, their names will not sell tickets. It would take a director who would in essence look at Beethoven, Bach, Mozart, and the other big names as workhorses: "Gentlemen, it is now time for us to be just that, and make room for the other half of humanity to be heard." This concerto could open for one of Beethoven's -- it would pair well with his fifth concerto (because I can hear late Beethoven in Le Beau here). So, one has the Beethoven/Le Beau ticket -- Beethoven will sell it, Le Beau will be heard, and carry on that way for TEN YEARS until Le Beau has enough hearers and fans so there is interest by other conductors and directors. But that is what it would take. Make no mistake: the thing about discrimination is that it self-perpetuates, and the longer it takes to push against it, the harder it will be. Kuhlau Dilfeng has opened a big door here ... but it will take much more pushing...
@Arturo’s Michelangeli You assume a bit much about "our feelings," even... classical music has place TWO even with me as an African American, not least because I will NOT allow for any pretense at European superiority to the rest of the world's music, particularly not as the heir of the Negro Spiritual. A great deal of the rejection of classical music is the far harder rejection of the automatic imposition of inferiority on every other type of music... the conversation will have to change for classical music to have all the allies it can.
Ein sehr schönes Konzert für Klavier und Orchester ! Sehr sehr melodisch , unter anderem das Adagio ! Diese leider heutzutage unbekannte Komponistin war hochbegabt , das kann man ohne Zweifel behaupten ...
If this concerto takes itself a little to seriously in the outer movements then that's not really a criticism. They'd benefit from a slightly more relaxed performance. But the slow movement ... lovely and far to short !!!!!.
occultation systématique...si vous pensez que je suis fille de musiciens professionnels et ai découvert les compositrices il y a 2 ou 3 ans en circulant sur youtube et j'ai 60 ans ! j'en ai écouté de la musique ! meme jamais pensé: "mais......n'y a t-il jamais eu de femmes qui ont composé" ? un très fort conditionnement pèse sur tous...en vérité femmes et hommes. L'histoire de l'Art est en vérité à réécrire. Mais si ce ne sont que les hommes qui font ce travail nous n'obtiendrons pas grand-chose...C'est une musicologue qui devrait s'atteler à ce travail...je suis sure que cela aurait du succès...en fait il y a une attente latente que quelqu'un devrait recueillir et satisfaire. Alors on saurait que le romantisme n'est pas né comme ça, tout d'un coup avec Chopin, mais qu'il était déjà là à Paris avec Hélène de Nervo, dans certaines de ses merveilleuses Etudes. (voir étude 112 je crois avec Stavy Nicolas); on connaitrait la forme du quatuor encore toute jeune et libre, avant que Haydn n'en fixe les formes, avec Maddalena Lombardini Sirmen et beaucoup d'autres choses...mais il faudrait un esprit plus ouvert et plus généreux..ce que les hommes ne manifestent pas volontiers envers les femmes quand il s'agit de création...
il y a un livre qui a recensé les compositrices et que vous pouvez lire en ligne, et qui est assez intéressant : archive.org/stream/lesfemmescomposi00ebel/lesfemmescomposi00ebel_djvu.txt
As with so much else in this world, it's a shame that the appreciation of music (and the recording of same) is so tilted towards the contributions made by the male of the species. Le Beau and other overlooked female composers show us that women as well were intimately involved in the evolution of the art of music.
Anybody who understands anything about the evolution of music knows and values the immense contribution made by women from Hildegard of Bingen to Judith Weir via Maria Theresa von Paradies (who was blind as well as female), Clara Schumann, Amy Beach, Ethel Smyth, Cécile Chaminade, the Boulanger sisters and many, many others. However it is an inescapable fact that most major classical works were composed by men. Le Beau's concerto is attractive and melodic but on no possible basis can it be considered a major work. It is neglected because it is second rate and unlikely to repay more than an occasional hearing, not because it was composed by a woman.
@Read SIEGE Nice use of language! Not! No one can deny that the contributions of women in many different fields has been marginalized at best. My comments are not bs. Yours, definitely.
@@antiquet3301 My use of the present tense serves to highlight that women still face discrimination. Progress has been made towards gender equality, but we are far from having attained it in toto.
You were just in a bad mood...."S'io credesse che mia risposta fosse, A persona che mai tornasse al mondo, Questa fiamma staria senza piu scosse. Ma perciocche giammai di questo fondo...." Saludos desde México!
Giudizio di una severità cattiva oltre che ingenerosa. Si poteva eseguire meglio nell insieme ma orribile non si può dire. Si dica grazie che ci sono orchestre e pianisti professionisti che fanno resucitare certe pagine notevoli del passato.
Une compositrice talentueuse ! On se demande pourquoi les oeuvres de cette musicienne ne sont pas plus connues et jouées ...Elle le mériterait incontestablement !! Merci pour cette mise en ligne !
This is a wonderful piece and worth to be known more widely!
Großartiges Konzert - werde es mir noch einige Male anhören!
A lovely concerto. Such a pity female composers have been ignored for so long. And Of course any romantic piano concerto has an uphill battle against the old warhouses'
A beautiful rendition of this fine work, an hidden gem before now to me
A composer I have never heard of, its just followed on the playlist on You Tube from listening to Emilie Mayer`s Piano Concerto...This is another unknown female composer from the romantic era, why have we never heard of them?..Thank you for uploading this, I have loved clasical for almost 60 yrs, and gems like this pop up..I am forever learning, and enjoying music, that has been so neglected in the past, but now becoming available...This is such a revelation..I feel is a great alternative to the Schumann and Mendessohn of the period..
I'll tell you why we've never heard of them. There's far fewer major female composers and most recent discoveries are second rate composers. Few exceptions but there were some outliers who are really first rate: Fanny Mendelssohn is an example, as is Amy Beach and Lili Boulanger.
Other female composers tend to be second rate but still good (Clara Schumann, Emilie Mayer, Mathilde Kralik von Meyrswalden, Laura Netzel, Louise Farrenc, or Luisa Le Beau).These fall into the same category as good second rate male composers (Hummel, Moscheles, Spohr, Moszkowski etc.) and are worthy to have a listen to purely based on the merit of their music alone.
But due to feminism even trivial salon music composers like Maria Szymanówska and Alma Mahler have been resurrected. Or even Belle van Zuylen (who was a dilettant who wrote fourth rate knock-off Haydn-esque piano music, she was much more talented as a literary figure and gained her fame because of that)
However, note that males are overrepresented by far among second and third rate classical composers too - as are modern male musicians far more likely to write their own material than females. Worked in electronic music for almost 20 years. Female DJs have an easier time landing gigs but males tend to be the ones who lock themselves up behind FL Studio for 30 hours a week.
All these result from sexual dimorphism.
Women are, on average, more agreeable, less aggressive, and more interested in people vs. things rather than vice versa, and have higher impulse control and higher trait neuroticism, than men. There is more overlap than difference in most of these categories, but succesful composers tend to fall in the outliers of these divisions which are very heavily skewed towards male overrepresentation. Women also have similar average intelligence as men but there are marked sex differences in distribution of intelligence, with greater male variability (= more retards yet also more geniuses)
The typical composer has outlier high intelligence, is stubborn, and is a major geek who doesn't mind seclusion and tinkering with notes on staff paper for hours and hours each day, and has low enough neuroticism to thrive in an extremely competitive (and therefore often outright hostile and back-stabbing) industry. And having the cojones to be radically different and either break with conservative tastes or push back against current modernist trends (Wagner and Beethoven vs. Brahms or J.S. Bach, the former being radicals, the latter highly technically innovative yet stilistically conservative).
Far more men than women meet these criteria.
If a man and a woman are equally musically gifted but the man has more interest in things than in people and the other way around for the woman (which is typical), how would that play out in practice? Chances are the woman will spend more time doing chamber music and/or singing in a choir which automatically goes at the expense of other musical pursuits such as composition. She may very well become a more rounded musician because of it, but not a major composer, this requires toiling away in seclusion for hours a day.
And then it also requires better coping with negative emotion, and being aggressive (being driven is nothing more than aggression channelled non-violently) to rise to the top.
Men are way more likely to hit rock bottom in life than women but also more likely to reach dazzling heights because of all these factors and music composition is just one example.
Wow. I love when I am so elated with the final chords, having enjoyed every measure of the work.
And then the applause! What a marvelous live recording. Wonderful playing!
Nous sommes en présence d'une compositrice accomplie qui n'a rien à envier aux hommes. Ce concerto pour piano est un rare joyau à écouter en boucle !
Tout cela est très juste ! Une très belle oeuvre en effet .
There ought to be many recordings of this powerful work!
A really beautiful treasure!
Remarkable piano concerto!!! Thanks
It's easy to imagine this piece as a standard romantic concerto on stages today... It is pianistic in a very alluring way as well as being uncommonly poetical. The second movement has an indelible quality that communicates and could easily become recognizable to the memory of audiences. Thank you for posting this gem!
indeed, the only problem in the way is the unfortunately still existing gender discrimination within the ultra-conservative classical music industry... :-( there are some absolutely fantastic initiatives by great, but lesser known musicians and lots of smaller organisations etc... but there is a massive lack of help from the very top- which is a shame... but it´s reality that only very few or even hardly any "big super stars", famous Festivals, important concert halls etc. contribute to a positive change... I hope that one day more equality will exist within the "classical music world" too... it is waaaaaay more behind than the rest of society... which is a big shame... because I strongly believe that the "classical music world" actually could be a role model and thriving force regarding more equality for the rest of society! :-)
I actually did play Le Beau´s cello sonata on my final Master´s exam concert in the year 2013... looooots of heavy, tiresome discussions or even fights were necessary until I finally got the permission to play it... the first comments of the exam jury were statements like "what a nice piece- but way too easy for a Master´s exam"... THIS were comments which until today I´ve NEVER EVER gotten to hear when I´ve been playing compositions by male composers... apart from that I think it´s absolutely not good to judge a piece of music whether it is "difficult" or "easy" to play....
Manca una vera cultura musicale.
@@MagdalenaAdlberger Vielen Dank für Ihre interessanten, kenntnisreichen Beiträge. Ich bin fasziniert von der Vitalität dieses Konzerts. Immerhin, Louise Adolpha Le Beau war eine Frau, die als Musikerin jahrzehntelang durchhielt und nicht resignierte.
Thank you for this magnificent performance!
Delightful!
Indeed
A really excellent piece that deserves to be performed more often.
A very enjoyable work.
I SECOND the Motion....Unknown...even unexpected!
jolie concerto pour piano de cette compositrice exeptionnellement grandiose a ecoute !
Sono alla ricerca della partitura ,veramente è un 💎.
Aren't we lucky to be able to hear this concerto at a moment's notice? It is quite beautiful and the 2nd. movement could make a mark if revived in the context of something programmatic like a film.
This would make an amazing film theme, indeed...
Lovely! I have been listening to it a few times already! There are a few nice tunes. A pity one doesn't hear it more often.
Listen this music is to understand that materialism is a madness ... Listen as the magic, beauty and tragedy have subtle and soothing voices !
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Bravo! well played cool music she has been played here on radio recently
Je ne la connaissais pas. Oeuvre intéressante et tout à fait honorable.
Son opus 24, Quatre pièces pour violoncelle et piano, a remporté le premier prix à Hambourg en 1882. Son style est caractérisé par des thèmes forts, bien écrits et un strict respect de la forme sonate. Elle a pratiqué de nombreux genres : pièces pour piano, Lieder, sonates pour piano, pour piano et violoncelle, deux opéras, un oratorio, une symphonie, un concerto pour piano, un quatuor à cordes, un trio avec piano
merci Robert pour ces info sur une compositrice totalement inconnue...
Robert pc libre grand merci pour l information. Une autre oeuvre merveilleuse parmi tant d autres si peu jouées et aux versions assez inaccesibles.
Un grazie sentito per aver messo questo gioiello di concerto,che sotto tutti gli aspetti del contenuto è meraviglioso.Cercherò la partitura. Complimenti alla pianista per l’esecuzione accurata.
No need to look for the score, I have it here! 10 out of 10!!
That was a lovely start for today.
Marvelous!
Es un precioso Concierto. Suave, sin estridencias. Es una pena que los pianistas de nota no lo incluyan en sus conciertos y que no se escuche en los programas de música selecta por las emisoras de radio o la TV. Escúchelo Usted, que ha leído este breve comentario escrito por un muy aficionado a la buena música selecta.
Lima - Perú
Gracias. He seguido su sugerencia. Me ha gustado mucho. Y tiene usted razón; un concierto muy hermoso.
Bravissimo,il commento esatto,lo ascoltato è un gioiello 💎
Tres Beau!
We need more women as composers. Very well composition. it's like Rachmaninow. Very smooth.
Very pianistic
:)
Lindíssimo.
¿dónde puedo conseguir las partituras de éste hermoso concierto?
Magnifique ! Où trouver le matériel orchestre et solo ? Merci
O KD2 que sigo há tempos, tem disponibilizado nas redes sociais verdadeiras joias que as salas de concertos não conhecem, o que é realmente lamentável. Música de qualidade não é apenas a que dioturnamente nos mostram, mas a que, por curiosidade de pesquisadores é redescoberta e acaba na estante de intérpretes que inovam programas sem preguiças para estudar novas partituras!... mas, para muitos intérpretes, apresentar sempre os mesmos resulta em menos estudos, menos ensaios. Para solistas que possam ter dificuldades em memorizar uma maior quantidade de obras, partituras e partes nas estantes não deprecia. De qualquer modo, diversificar é importante, prazeroso, e até mentalmente saudável. Ficaremos atentos à divulgação de novas raridades, e agradecidos a quem se disponha a divulgar.
Way too underrated
Lovely! And what's the picture? - I love that too.
Storm at Wellington Heads
Petrus Van der Velden
Thanks for that!
A better name might be "Horse Wondering Why It's Standing On Top Of A Stormy Sea".
This is really very good. I have been SO ignorant of both female composers and artists.....and I am an artist!!! Painter!HIGHER PROFILES FOR WOMEN PLEASE. By the way I am a man!!!
so beautiful concerto. just wanna ask anyone have this score? I can't find it
Maybe you could contact Furore! furore-verlag.de/ I´m not sure about the piano concerto, but they already published a lot of her other works within the past years. They are in any case always very kind and supportive! :-)
Sie haben Recht.... tolle Musik! so schön!
Nice piano concerto, though it lacks for me returning melodious themes.
It's another forgotten piano concerto together with Emilie Mayer's brilliant Hummel-like
piano concerto.
whom does belong the painting? somebody knows??
nice
Does anyone know when the concerto was composed, and when this recording was made?
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No sorry, can't help you.
great!!!!!! one question : why women pianists of our time don't play women composers concertos ?????
One cannot play a concerto alone... there are the decisions of a conductor and program director to consider. As lovely as this is, because most do not know the names of the women composers who were overlooked in the past, their names will not sell tickets. It would take a director who would in essence look at Beethoven, Bach, Mozart, and the other big names as workhorses: "Gentlemen, it is now time for us to be just that, and make room for the other half of humanity to be heard." This concerto could open for one of Beethoven's -- it would pair well with his fifth concerto (because I can hear late Beethoven in Le Beau here). So, one has the Beethoven/Le Beau ticket -- Beethoven will sell it, Le Beau will be heard, and carry on that way for TEN YEARS until Le Beau has enough hearers and fans so there is interest by other conductors and directors. But that is what it would take.
Make no mistake: the thing about discrimination is that it self-perpetuates, and the longer it takes to push against it, the harder it will be. Kuhlau Dilfeng has opened a big door here ... but it will take much more pushing...
@@hymnodyhands yes, most conductors also are playing very known pieces . The curiousity disappeared ...
@Arturo’s Michelangeli You assume a bit much about "our feelings," even... classical music has place TWO even with me as an African American, not least because I will NOT allow for any pretense at European superiority to the rest of the world's music, particularly not as the heir of the Negro Spiritual. A great deal of the rejection of classical music is the far harder rejection of the automatic imposition of inferiority on every other type of music... the conversation will have to change for classical music to have all the allies it can.
Ein sehr schönes Konzert für Klavier und Orchester ! Sehr sehr melodisch , unter anderem das Adagio ! Diese leider heutzutage unbekannte Komponistin war hochbegabt , das kann man ohne Zweifel behaupten ...
If this concerto takes itself a little to seriously in the outer movements then that's not really a criticism. They'd benefit from a slightly more relaxed performance. But the slow movement ... lovely and far to short !!!!!.
DELICIOUS!!!!!!!
👍👍👍👍🆒🆒🆒🆒🤗🤗🤗🤗🍾🥂🌹
Trop peu connue comme toute les femmes compositrices
occultation systématique...si vous pensez que je suis fille de musiciens professionnels et ai découvert les compositrices il y a 2 ou 3 ans en circulant sur youtube et j'ai 60 ans ! j'en ai écouté de la musique ! meme jamais pensé: "mais......n'y a t-il jamais eu de femmes qui ont composé" ? un très fort conditionnement pèse sur tous...en vérité femmes et hommes. L'histoire de l'Art est en vérité à réécrire. Mais si ce ne sont que les hommes qui font ce travail nous n'obtiendrons pas grand-chose...C'est une musicologue qui devrait s'atteler à ce travail...je suis sure que cela aurait du succès...en fait il y a une attente latente que quelqu'un devrait recueillir et satisfaire. Alors on saurait que le romantisme n'est pas né comme ça, tout d'un coup avec Chopin, mais qu'il était déjà là à Paris avec Hélène de Nervo, dans certaines de ses merveilleuses Etudes. (voir étude 112 je crois avec Stavy Nicolas); on connaitrait la forme du quatuor encore toute jeune et libre, avant que Haydn n'en fixe les formes, avec Maddalena Lombardini Sirmen et beaucoup d'autres choses...mais il faudrait un esprit plus ouvert et plus généreux..ce que les hommes ne manifestent pas volontiers envers les femmes quand il s'agit de création...
il y a un livre qui a recensé les compositrices et que vous pouvez lire en ligne, et qui est assez intéressant :
archive.org/stream/lesfemmescomposi00ebel/lesfemmescomposi00ebel_djvu.txt
noorvensen merci ! je vais regarder...
C'est vrai!
As with so much else in this world, it's a shame that the appreciation of music (and the recording of same) is so tilted towards the contributions made by the male of the species. Le Beau and other overlooked female composers show us that women as well were intimately involved in the evolution of the art of music.
Male composers may have been favored back in her time, but your use of the present tense disturbs me.
find me one person who only appreciate music made by men.
Anybody who understands anything about the evolution of music knows and values the immense contribution made by women from Hildegard of Bingen to Judith Weir via Maria Theresa von Paradies (who was blind as well as female), Clara Schumann, Amy Beach, Ethel Smyth, Cécile Chaminade, the Boulanger sisters and many, many others. However it is an inescapable fact that most major classical works were composed by men. Le Beau's concerto is attractive and melodic but on no possible basis can it be considered a major work. It is neglected because it is second rate and unlikely to repay more than an occasional hearing, not because it was composed by a woman.
@Read SIEGE Nice use of language! Not! No one can deny that the contributions of women in many different fields has been marginalized at best. My comments are not bs. Yours, definitely.
@@antiquet3301 My use of the present tense serves to highlight that women still face discrimination. Progress has been made towards gender equality, but we are far from having attained it in toto.
Con interpreti di maggior rango questo bel concerto avrebbe un impatto molto migliore .La Katia e l'orchestra non mi sembrano all'altezza.
Orribile,sia la parte orchestrale che quella pianistica.
You were just in a bad mood...."S'io credesse che mia risposta fosse, A persona che mai tornasse al mondo, Questa fiamma staria senza piu scosse. Ma perciocche giammai di questo fondo...." Saludos desde México!
Giudizio di una severità cattiva oltre che ingenerosa. Si poteva eseguire meglio nell insieme ma orribile non si può dire. Si dica grazie che ci sono orchestre e pianisti professionisti che fanno resucitare certe pagine notevoli del passato.